Is OBL alive or martyred?

[EVILution]

Aslaam u Alaikum,

I am just wondering if he's martyred or alive? Can someone tell me without any biasness, possibly with some sources to back their opinion.

I used to be kept up with the news about brother OBL from the Americans, but lately their news about OBL has gone silent, hey, maybe they've realised he's out of their reach. Or possibly they are too embarrassed about not being able to find him, as they were boasting at the start of the war, and so are trying to keep a low profile.

"Don't mention OBL, and the people will know we've won the war, you mention him then the people will know we've lost"!

Waslaam.

[Naiha]

asalaam alaikum muslim youth.


i'm back, inshaala i will help try to answer ur questions.
it's so good to be back. may i say that OBL has not been mentioned, it seems to me that the americans want to keep his profile low, i personally think the americans can't find OBL thats why nothings mentioned about him. no one should take this offencive, it's my personal opinion. plz do tell me if i wrong

[shnee]

Originally posted by muslim youth
Aslaam u Alaikum,

I am just wondering if he's martyred or alive? Can someone tell me without any biasness, possibly with some sources to back their opinion.

I used to be kept up with the news about brother OBL from the Americans, but lately their news about OBL has gone silent, hey, maybe they've realised he's out of their reach. Or possibly they are too embarrassed about not being able to find him, as they were boasting at the start of the war, and so are trying to keep a low profile.

"Don't mention OBL, and the people will know we've won the war, you mention him then the people will know we've lost"!

Waslaam.

do you think Bin Laden desrves to be a matyr
if he is responsible for the sep 11 attack then he is not. he set up pateners with Allah by taking the lives of thousands of poeple.
In the 3rd kalima it says
'He gives life and CAUSES DEATH'
this is not bin laden we're talking about, this is Allah

[EVILution]

Hey Naiha,

Aslaam u Alaikum and welcome back sis,

God alot of people missed you, one in particular from this forum, even asked me in a private message where you were.

Well about brother OBL, like I said Bush was boasting probably in the heat of the Sep 11 attacks, but he said he was going to find out who was responsible for these attacks, and kick their ass.

And he still hasn't found out who did it, (it was not OBL by the way) and so he's definitely not whipped anyone's a*s except his own.

[Kammra]

http://image.guardian.co.uk/global/a...ESC=popupbig32


While all the kids go out and kill themselves he's either dead or hiding like the scared little girl that he is.

What a leader!

Between he and Omar, who got his international policy briefings from dreams he had the night before, they managed to steal more money than you'll ever see in a life time.

[EVILution]

Originally posted by shnee


do you think Bin Laden desrves to be a matyr
if he is responsible for the sep 11 attack then he is not. he set up pateners with Allah by taking the lives of thousands of poeple.
In the 3rd kalima it says
'He gives life and CAUSES DEATH'
this is not bin laden we're talking about, this is Allah

Yes I do think OBL deserves to be a martyr, may Allah(swt) give EVERY muslim the reward of a martyr.

And your right, the destruction of the Twin Towers happened not by the mastermind plan of OBL, but by Allah(swt)'s will. And Allah(swt) is the Almighty, most wise. Allahu Akbar.

[shnee]

Originally posted by Kammra
http://image.guardian.co.uk/global/a...ESC=popupbig32


While all the kids go out and kill themselves he's either dead or hiding like the scared little girl that he is.

What a leader!

Between he and Omar, who got his international policy briefings from dreams he had the night before, they managed to steal more money than you'll ever see in a life time.

exactly, when america bombed Afganistan, bin laden pushed all the people of afghanistan forward to get bombed and hid like a little wuss. so many people died in afghanistan because of him

[Naiha]

well i hav to agree with u on that muslim youth, not often do i find myself having to agree with u( joking)
well i too believe OBL is not responsible for the sept 11 attack
i think he's getting accused, but then i think they may be a possiblity he might hav done, but i can't gruge with u.

[shnee]

he still let his country poeple die didn't he

[EVILution]

Well, well Kammra, been reading the Guardian have you. Well so have I, approx a month after Sep 11, I read in the Guardian, that their is a bit of suspicion lurking about why 4,000 jews didn't go to work on Sep 11. I think we both know what they were hinting at, huh. And Guardian newspaper is quite famous for publishing THE TRUTH ONLY!

[EVILution]

Originally posted by shnee
he still let his country poeple die didn't he

I again agree that OBL should have been fighting on the frontline, but I think the Mujahids need a leader like him to help them with plans and advice, etc.
There is only ONE OBL and MANY mujahids to fight, you know what I'm getting at.

[Kammra]

"I used to be kept up with the news about brother OBL from the Americans, but lately their news about OBL has gone silent..."


Oh, I see. You used to read REAL news from the American Press. At least you're discriminating in one aspect of your life.


"Yes I do think OBL deserves to be a martyr, may Allah(swt) give EVERY muslim the reward of a martyr."

[Peoria]

I find it quite ironic that some people on this board look to America for information on Bin Laden, and yet at the same time, any information put out about him is labeled lies????


So other than western sources, what do some of you know about Bin Laden?

Perhaps he was just a creation of the Amercian Propaganda machine.

[Kammra]

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world...17_stocks.html

[Bilal]

OBL should not talk in the name of all Muslims, he can talk in the name of himself only and his supporters. We should not allow anybody to talk in the name of our religion.
Frankly, Osama, Saddam, and all other leaders should leave us to build our future, those people made enough problems to us. Even if Osama did not attack NY, but he agreed attacking civilian targets by his Fatwa!!

[Kammra]

I thought investments and profits made this way were unIslamic? Some brother you're following. Just make sure to do as he and Omar say and not as they do so that you'll be able to become a martyr some day.

[Kammra]

"OBL should not talk in the name of all Muslims, he can talk in the name of himself only and his supporters. We should not allow anybody to talk in the name of our religion.
Frankly, Osama, Saddam, and all other leaders should leave us to build our future, those people made enough problems to us. Even if Osama did not attack NY, but he agreed attacking civilian targets by his Fatwa!!"


Truer words were never spoken!

[EVILution]

Originally posted by Peoria
I find it quite ironic that some people on this board look to America for information on Bin Laden, and yet at the same time, any information put out about him is labeled lies????


So other than western sources, what do some of you know about Bin Laden?

Perhaps he was just a creation of the Amercian Propaganda machine.

I have read a 200 page long biography on Brother Osama Bin Laden, but it was an urdu version, so there is really no point in me giving you any details you won't be able to follow.

But there is one thing I agreed with the author among many others and I shall interpret it just for you,
"Osama Bin Laden lives in every muslim youngsters heart and especially in those youngsters hearts who have love for Jihad."

[EVILution]

Originally posted by Kammra
I thought investments and profits made this way were unIslamic? Some brother you're following. Just make sure to do as he and Omar say and not as they do so that you'll be able to become a martyr some day.

Don't worry Kammra cos I am certainly not going to follow your footsteps, am I now? So you let me decide who I choose to hate, love and follow.

[USMC]

Fox news reported this morning that when the U.S. and Pakistan captured that Zubuyda guy, (spelling help here) he was thought to have been OBL! The story was that the Pakistanies had been watching OBL in the area, and secretly sealed off the area - apparently without rasing suspision. The U.S. and Pakistani troops moved in but - it was Zubuyda and not OBL. Pakastani police say He was there just 3 HOURS EARLIER! I don't know if it is true, but if it is, it would discount my theory that He had died.

[Malcom]

Is OBL alive or martyred?

None of the above His body is feeding rats in a cave and his sole is being used as entertainment for Satin.

[rabidarab]

You cannot be a martyr if your heart is a twisted piece of black coal filled with hate and venom.

So, to answer your question. No, the mad man Osama Bin Laden is pressed to a few millimeters beneath tons of rock.

If he actually did manage to live this long, he is living on borrowed time and i would urge everyone not to stand to close to him.

Originally posted by muslim youth
Aslaam u Alaikum,
I am just wondering if he's martyred or alive? Can someone tell me without any biasness, possibly with some sources to back their opinion.

[UnenlightenedOne]

>>And your right, the destruction of the Twin Towers happened not by the mastermind plan of OBL, but by Allah(swt)'s will. And Allah(swt) is the Almighty, most wise. Allahu Akbar.<<

Ok, fine logic there.

Afgahnistan Bombings= Allah's will.
Palestine Condition= Allah's will.
the list goes on..........

[EVILution]

Originally posted by kaphirgoyim
>>And your right, the destruction of the Twin Towers happened not by the mastermind plan of OBL, but by Allah(swt)'s will. And Allah(swt) is the Almighty, most wise. Allahu Akbar.<<

Ok, fine logic there.

Afgahnistan Bombings= Allah's will.
Palestine Condition= Allah's will.
the list goes on..........

I'll repeat myself then, everything we like/dislike is Allah(swt)'s will!

[kenwayy]

But then doesn't that contradict the factor that you say it is Allahs will to kill all Zionist? But isn't it because of Allahs will that the Zionist are around and the same for the state of Israel? It makes no sence that if everything is Allahs will, and Allah wishes for all the world to be Muslim, that the are numerous other religions in exsistance today.

[EVILution]

OK I am going to explain to you what Qadaa is and Insha-Allah this should answer your question.
Qadaa means Allah has the knowledge of EVERYTHING, but man has been given the chance to do what he wants, if he wants he can do what pleases Allah and benefit or he can do what angers Allah and not benefit.

[Not Afraid.]

"But there is one thing I agreed with the author among many others and I shall interpret it just for you,
"Osama Bin Laden lives in every muslim youngsters heart and especially in those youngsters hearts who have love for Jihad." - Muslim Youth

Murderer bin Laden "lives in every muslim youngster's heart"?

What, like Santa Claus or the Teletubbies?

Muslim Youth, thanks for the biggest laugh I've had all day....that sounds like a Hallmark card...how cute!

"Love for Jihad"? How silly! How preposterous!

You'll be a grown up one day, Youth, and realize how silly you sounded as a child. I'm giggling now...

Go play with your "Osama Action figures" and the toy plane now, would you?

[EVILution]

Originally posted by Not Afraid.
"But there is one thing I agreed with the author among many others and I shall interpret it just for you,
"Osama Bin Laden lives in every muslim youngsters heart and especially in those youngsters hearts who have love for Jihad." - Muslim Youth

Murderer bin Laden "lives in every muslim youngster's heart"?

What, like Santa Claus or the Teletubbies?

Muslim Youth, thanks for the biggest laugh I've had all day....that sounds like a Hallmark card...how cute!

"Love for Jihad"? How silly! How preposterous!

You'll be a grown up one day, Youth, and realize how silly you sounded as a child. I'm giggling now...

Go play with your "Osama Action figures" and the toy plane now, would you?

Well atleast I made YOUR day great.

[Not Afraid.]

By the way, bin Laden has been dead for months..the US just doesn't want the world to know so they can stay in Afghanistan and kill the rest of the al Quaida and Taliban.

To which I say, keep it up!

Kabul broke ground on it's first Starbucks last week..seems like the Afghanis better get used to having Americans around!

[mtsmallick]

AOA

Muslim brothers & sisters

The only news i can get is that Sheikh osama is in Pakistan. The news which i heard is that by the time Abu Zubaida was arrested (injuried), Sheikh Osama has visited him threed ays ago. So it was opinioned that the operation"Midnight" was actually carried out to arrest Sheikh Osama but fortunately Sheikh has left the house and Abu Zubaida was arrested.

So, if this news is correct, then i am afarid, its bad news for his enemies that Sheikh is still alive and operational. Indeed, This operation by US special forces was carried, without the knowledge of even pakistan agencies (ISI), that why i suppose got some sucess, although i cant ruled out that sheikh was safely removed from friendly people of pakistan.

This was on 28th of march 2002, in faisal-abad, Pakistan. So, it seems that Gen. Puppet Musharraf is still leading a parallel govt against the friendly forces of paksitan. There is reports that therein pakistan nearly 14 or more US FBI offices has been estalished and all the major airports here are given under the vigillance of US FBI etc.

Let us pray that Truth will prevail, and faithful muslims once against emerge victorious. Amen

[EVILution]

I might aswell become a teletubby myself, I have one person telling me OBL is dead and the other one telling me he's alive.

[Paranoia]

Hey Muslim youth.
A few questions about these 4000 jews who stayed home on Sept 11th.


1. How did they communicate with these people and how could it remain a secret? Email? Letters? Phone?

2. Why has no one taken any interest in interviewing any of these people afterwards or tracing any of their communications?

3. Why were many important Jews still killed in the buildings?

4. The buildings were owned by a Jew. Why attack that when there were other targets with no jews and unowned by Jews?

5. Now that these 4000 jews are out of a job, how are they getting money?

6. If Jews are in the govt, why did no Jews stay home at the Pentagon?

7. Why did so many Jews leave their money and valuables in accounts and vaults at the WTC if they knew the attack was going to happen?

8. Why didn't any of the 4000 Jews who stayed home make investments that they would have profited from based on the markets?

9. Why would 4000 common Jews be alerted but not the huge corporations (supposedly run by Jews) that lost profits, paid out large insurance claims, etc?

I could go on and on, but basically... if Jews are so smart to be able to coordinate a secret communication between 4000 common Jews, they deserve your respect. That's virtually impossible and yet it appears they've pulled it off. Furthermore, if Jews control the US media and can pull off such secret communications, why not do something larger and more profitable?

[EVILution]

Like I said Paranoia, you are being made to believe that OBL did it, so you cannot even imagine how jews (not all of them, could have been a group, like Al Qaeeda) could have possibly done the attacks and have got away with it.

[rabidarab]

This was more relevant in another thread, but I share it anyway:

http://www.sis.gov.eg/egyptinf/culture/html/pano001.htm

This Egyptian museum is dedicated to the stunning victory of Egypt over Israel in the October War of 1973. The only problem with this museum is that, as most of the rest of the world knows, Egypt lost the war.

There are some, like you muslim youth, who wish to redefine reality to suit an agenda and even lie to themselves to perpetuate a myth.

Please, for you own well being, be more introspective and reflective. Do not be so quick to believe unsubstantiated tall tales.

Originally posted by muslim youth
Like I said Paranoia, you are being made to believe that OBL did it, so you cannot even imagine how jews (not all of them, could have been a group, like Al Qaeeda) could have possibly done the attacks and have got away with it.

[USMC]

muslim youth,
You are only 18 years old. Right at the biggening of your prime. I'll bet you are a very beautiful woman and person. And, despite our differences, you seem quite intelligient - I'd hire you to work for me if I needed to fill a position!
That said, don't fall in to the trap that other Muslims around the world fall into by exchanging the truth for a lie.
Don't be afraid of the truth. Embrace it and use it as a means to change those who are decieving themselves. You are the future, don't start out this way.
Just some advise from an "old" guy

[UnenlightenedOne]

>>1. How did they communicate with these people and how could it remain a secret? Email? Letters? Phone? <<

ICQ, don't ya know?

[Nighthawk]

Originally posted by kaphirgoyim
>>1. How did they communicate with these people and how could it remain a secret? Email? Letters? Phone? <<

ICQ, don't ya know?

I thought it was disappearing & re-appearing ink.

[Paranoia]

Like I said Paranoia, you are being made to believe that OBL did it, so you cannot even imagine how jews (not all of them, could have been a group, like Al Qaeeda) could have possibly done the attacks and have got away with it.

I cannot imagine?

I just did. But you didn't.
You bought the Mossad line completely.

Why can you not imagine what is more likely?
Angry Saudi's hijacked planes and committed an attack.
Got it? No 4000 jews were contacted. You give them more credit than possible.

You cannot "make me believe" something without decent evidence either way. Right now, there's much more evidence to say that OBL was, if nothing else, informed. I don't care which Muslim, Arab or other group committed the attacks. I just know that 4000 jews were certainly not in on the deal.
Talk about being made to believe what you want!

[EVILution]

Originally posted by USMC
muslim youth,
You are only 18 years old. Right at the biggening of your prime. I'll bet you are a very beautiful woman and person. And, despite our differences, you seem quite intelligient - I'd hire you to work for me if I needed to fill a position!
That said, don't fall in to the trap that other Muslims around the world fall into by exchanging the truth for a lie.
Don't be afraid of the truth. Embrace it and use it as a means to change those who are decieving themselves. You are the future, don't start out this way.
Just some advise from an "old" guy

USMC, nice words said there, but I don't think you really need to smooth-talk me, to tell me not to become a extremist, to which THESE people I look upon with great respect.
Don't worry, I can't even kill a fly without thinking it's a sin, and human beings are completely out of the question. And btw I an 17, not 18.

[Naiha]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by muslim youth
[B]Hey Naiha,


"God alot of people missed you, one in particular from this forum, even asked me in a private message where you were."
thats nice to know some ppl miss me, may i ask who these ppl might be? just asking. well plz do tell me who wanted to know where i was, so i could thank them for the concern.



salaam