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    Mustafa Kamal

    <TABLE width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=center align=left>Mustafa Kamal


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    Introduction:

    The fact that he was a despot and dictator cannot be denied. It was
    his cruelty and sadistic treatment of Muslims that makes him stand out
    as one of the worst enemies of Allah. The above was only what was
    reported and recorded by mostly Western observers. The extent of what
    actually went on in the new Turkey by the direct policy of Kamal,
    was heinous to say the least. He was an enemy of Allah (swt) to
    the core.

    TIME
    January 9, 1933
    p. 64

    Squinting skyward last week, Turks looked for the new moon. When
    they should see it Ramadan would begin. Ramadan the mystic month in
    which the Koran was revealed to Prophet Mohammed. This year the first
    glint of the new moon had a special, dread significance. Turks had
    been ordered by their stern dictator, Mustafa Kemal Pasha who made
    them drop the veil and the fez (TIME, Feb. 15, 1926 et seq.), that
    beginning with Ramadan they must no longer call their god by his
    Arabic name, Allah.

    No godly man, Dictator Kemal considers that there is no reason why
    Turks should not call Allah by his Turkish name Tanri. There is no
    reason except centuries of tradition, no reason except that Turkish
    imams (priests) all know the Koran by heart in Arabic while few if any
    have memorized it in Turkish. Strict to the point of cruelty last week
    was Dictator Kemal's decree that muezzins, calling the faithful to
    prayer from the top of Turkey's minarets, must shout not the hallowed
    "Allah Akbar!" (Arabic for "God is Great!") but the unfamiliar words
    "Tanri Uludur!" which mean the same thing in Turkish.

    When imams threatened to suspend services in the mosques and hide
    the prayer rugs, the Government announced that it was holding 400
    brand-new prayer rugs in reserve, threatened to produce "newly trained
    muezzins who know the Koran in Turkish and are ready to jump into the
    breach." .........

    Nearer & nearer crept the moon to crescent. Ramadan was almost upon
    Turkey when officials of the Department of Culture (which includes
    religion) screwed up their courage and told Dictator Kemal that he
    simply could not change the name of Turkey's god - at least not last
    week. Already several muezzins had been thrown into jail for
    announcing that they would continue to shout "Allah Akbar!" The
    populace was getting ugly, obviously sympathized with the
    Allah-shouters.

    Abruptly Dictator Kemal yielded "Let them pray as they please,
    temporarily" he growled. Beaming, his Minister rushed off to proclaim
    the glad respite only a few hours before the new moon appeared. "On
    account of the general unpreparedness of muezzins and imams," they
    suavely declared, "prayers may be offered and the Koran recited in
    Arabic during the present month of Ramadan, but discourse by the imams
    must be in Turkish."

    During Ramadan all Moslems are especially irritable because they eat
    nothing during the hours of daylight. After the fasting is over Turks
    will be more tractable, may accept from their Dictator a new name for
    their God.

    *****

    TIME
    February 20, 1933
    p. 18
    Word for God

    A hard father to his people, Mustafa Kemal told his Turks last
    December that they must forget God in the Arabic language (Allah),
    learn Him in Turkish (Tanri). Admitting the delicacy of renaming a
    1300-year-old god, Kemal gave the muezzins a time allowance to learn
    the Koran in Turkish. Last week in pious Brusa, the "green city," a
    muezzin halloed "Tanri Uludur" from one of the minarets whence Brusans
    had heard "Allah Akbar" since the 14th Century. Raging at Kemal
    Pasha's god, they mobbed the muezzin, mobbed the police who came to
    save him.

    Quick to defend his new word for God, quicker to show new Turkey
    the fate of the old-fashioned, Kemal the Ghazi, "the Victorious One,"
    pounced on Brusa, had 60 of the faithful arrested, ousted the Mufti
    (ecclesiastical judge) of the Ouglubjami mosque and decreed that
    henceforth God was Tanri.

    *****

    TIME
    February 15, 1926
    pp. 15-16

    "Turkey presents today the most promising and challenging field on
    the face of the earth for missionary service." Thus wrote James L.
    Barton, missionary executive, in last week's issue of 'Christian
    Work.' But first he summarized the revolutionary changes in Turkey
    since 1923. The changes: .........
    For a hundred years Christian missionaries have struggled
    hopelessly
    to capture the hearts of the Calif-awed Turks. They had come, said Mr.
    Barton, to suspect that "the Moslem was outside the sphere of the
    operation of divine grace."

    *****

    Turkey
    Emil Lengyel
    1941, pp. 140-141

    During the early days of Kemal's career, many of his followers were
    under the impression that he was a champion of Islam and that they
    were fighting the Christians. "Ghazi, Destroyer of Christians" was
    the name they gave him. Had thet been aware of his real intentions,
    they would have called him "Ghazi, Destroyer of Islam."

    *****

    Grey Wolf, Mustafa Kemal
    An Intimate Study of a Dictator
    H.C. Armstrong, 1934

    He was drinking heavily. The drink stimulated him, gave him energy,
    but increased his irritability. Both in private and public he was
    sarcastic, brutal and abrupt. He flared up at the least criticism. He
    cut short all attempts to reason with him. He flew into a passion at
    the least opposition. He would neither confide in nor co-operate with
    anyone. When one politician gave him some harmless advice, he roughly
    told him to get out. When a venerable member of the Cabinet suggested
    that it was unseemly for Turkish ladies to dance in public, he threw a
    Koran at him and chased him out of his office with a stick.

    p. 241:
    "For five hundred years these rules and theories of an Arab sheik,"
    he
    said, "and the interpretations of generations of lazy,
    good-for-nothing priests have decided the civil and the criminal law
    of Turkey."

    "They had decided the form of the constitution, the details of the
    lives of each Turk, his food, his hours of rising and sleeping, the
    shape of his clothes, the routine of the midwife who produced his
    children, what he learnt in his schools, his customs, his thoughts,
    even his most intimate habits.

    "Islam, this theology of an immoral Arab, is a dead thing."
    Possibly
    it might have suited tribes of nomads in the desert. It was no good
    for a modern progressive State.

    "God's revelation!" There was no God. That was one of the chains by
    which the priests and bad rulers bound the people down.

    "A ruler who needs religion to help him rule is a weakling. No
    weakling
    should rule.."

    And the priests! How he hated them. The lazy, unproductive priests
    who ate up the sustenance of the people. He would chase them out of
    their mosques and monasteries to work like men.

    Religion! He would tear religion from Turkey as one might tear the
    throttling ivy away to save a young tree.

    p. 243:
    Further, it was public knowledge that he was irreligious, broke all
    the rules of decency, and scoffed at sacred things. He had chased the
    Sheik-ul-Islam, the High Priest of Islam, out of his office and thrown
    the Koran after him. He had forced the women in Angora to unveil. He
    had encouraged them to dance body close to body with accursed foreign
    men and Christians.

    *****

    Turkey
    Emil Lengyel
    1941, p. 134

    Kemal cared nothing about Allah; he was interested in himself
    and in Turkey. He hated Allah and made him responsible for Turkey's
    misfortune. It was Allah's tyrannical rule that paralyzed the hands of
    the Turk. But he knew that Allah was real to the Turkish peasant,
    while nationalism meant nothing to him. He decided, therefore, to
    draft Allah into his service as the publicity director of his national
    cause. Through Allah's aid his people must cease to be Mohammedans and
    become Turks. Then, after Allah had served Kemal's purpose, he could
    discard him.

    *****

    Ataturk, The Rebirth of a Nation
    Lord Kinross, 1965, p. 437

    For Kemal, Islam and civilization were a contradiction in terms.
    "If only," he once said of the Turks, with a flash of cynical insight,
    "we could make them Christians!" His was not to be the reformed
    Islamic state for which the Faithful were waiting: it was to be a
    strictly lay state, with a centralized Government as strong as the
    Sultan's, backed by the army and run by his own intellectual
    bureaucracy.

    p. 470:
    The cleavage in his musical tastes emerged in Istanbul, where he
    once had two orchestras, one Turkish and one European, brought to the
    Park Hotel. He listened with constant interruptions, commanding one to
    stop and the other to play in turn. Finally, as the raki took effect,
    he lost patience and rose to leave the restaurant, saying, "Now if you
    like you can both play together." Another evening, incensed by the
    sound of the muezzin from a mosque opposite, which clashed with the
    dance-band, he ordered its minaret to be felled - one of those orders
    which was countermanded next morning.

    *****

    Ataturk, The Rebirth of a Nation
    Lord Kinross, 1965
    p. 365

    Some confusion as to his identity persisted, however, for some
    years to come. Inspecting some soldiers in Anatolia, Kemal once asked,
    "Who is God and where does He live?"

    The soldier, anxious to please, replied, "God is Mustafa Kemal
    Pasha.
    He lives in Angora."

    "And where is Angora?" Kemal asked.

    "Angora is in Istanbul," was the reply.

    Farther down the line he asked another soldier, "Who is
    Mustafa Kemal?"

    The reply was, "Our Sultan."

    -Irfan Orga: Phoenix Ascendant.

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    Watch out bro!

    Expect some nasty PMs from idiot Kemalist supporters coming soon!


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    Quote Originally Posted by abu yusaf
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    Turkey
    Emil Lengyel
    1941, p. 134

    Kemal cared nothing about Allah; he was interested in himself
    and in Turkey. He hated Allah and made him responsible for Turkey's
    misfortune. It was Allah's tyrannical rule that paralyzed the hands of
    the Turk. But he knew that Allah was real to the Turkish peasant,
    while nationalism meant nothing to him. He decided, therefore, to
    draft Allah into his service as the publicity director of his national
    cause. Through Allah's aid his people must cease to be Mohammedans and
    become Turks. Then, after Allah had served Kemal's purpose, he could
    discard him.

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    now he care....now he beg....but to no avail....he failed the test and chose the party of the satan
    My toughest fight was with my first wife.

    Muhammad Ali Clay

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    Mustafa Kemal is a jew

    Do you know that Mustafa Kemal, the dictator and the so-called founder of republic of turkey, is jewish?

    To this date, there is extreme confusion among Muslims and non-Muslims alike regarding who was Mustafa Kemal, the dictator of Turkey. Recently, new evidence has surfaced that Mustafa Kemal, the ruthless dictator of Turkey, was not only a non-muslim doenmeh, but a secret Jewish descendant of Jewish false prophet Sabbati Zevi! The evidence comes not from tracing his geneology, but from a statement he himself made. Check out the following :

    * * *

    Subject: Dictator Mustafa Kemal confesses his Jewishness
    Source : FORWARD, A Jewish Newspaper published in New York
    January 28, 1994

    WHEN KEMAL ATATURK RECITED SHEMA YISRAEL

    "It's My Secret Prayer, Too," He Confessed

    By Hillel Halkin

    ZICHRON YAAKOV - There were two questions I wanted to ask, I said over the phone to Batya Keinan, spokeswoman for Israeli president Ezer Weizman, who was about to leave the next day, Monday, Jan. 24, on the first visit ever made to Turkey by a Jewish chief of state. One was whether Mr. Weizman would be taking part in an official ceremony commemorating Kemal Ataturk.

    Ms. Kenan checked the president's itinerary, according to which he and his wife would lay a wreath on Ataturk's grave the morning of their arrival, and asked what my second question was.

    "Does President Weizman know that Ataturk had Jewish ancestors and was taught Hebrew prayers as a boy?"

    "Of course, of course," she answered as unsurprisedly as if I had inquired whether the president was aware that Ataturk was Turkey's national hero.

    Excited and Distressed

    I thanked her and hung up. A few minutes later it occurred to me to call back and ask whether President Weizman intended to make any reference while in Turkey to Ataturk's Jewish antecedents. "I'm so glad you called again," said Ms. Kenan, who now sounded excited and a bit distressed. "Exactly where did you get your information from?"

    Why was she asking, I countered, if the president's office had it too?

    * Because it did not, she confessed. She had only assumed that it must because I had sounded so matter-of-fact myself. "After you hung up," she said, "I mentioned what you told me and nobody here knows anything about it. Could you please fax us what you know?"

    I faxed her a short version of it. Here is a longer one.

    Stories about the Jewishness of Ataturk, whose statue stands in the main square of every town and city in Turkey, already circulated in his lifetime but were denied by him and his family and never taken seriously by biographers. Of six biographies of him that I consulted this week, none even mentions such a speculation. The only scholarly reference to it in print that I could find was in the entry on Ataturk in the Israeli Entsiklopedya ha-Ivrit, which begins:

    "Mustafa Kemal Ataturk - (1881-1938 ), Turkish general and statesman and founder of the modern Turkish state.

    "Mustafa Kemal was born to the family of a minor customs clerk in Salonika and lost his father when he was young. There is no proof of the belief, widespread among both Jews and Muslims in Turkey, that his family came from the Doenme. As a boy he rebelled against his mother's desire to give him a traditional religious education, and at the age of 12 he was sent at his demand to study in a military academy."

    Secular Father

    The Doenme were an underground sect of Sabbetaians, Turkish Jews who took Muslim names and outwardly behaved like Muslims but secretly believed in Sabbetai Zevi, the 17th-century false messiah, and conducted carefully guarded prayers and rituals in his name. The encyclopedia's version of Ataturk's education, however, is somewhat at variance with his own. Here is his account of it as quoted by his biographers:

    "My father was a man of liberal views, rather hostile to religion, and a partisan of Western ideas. He would have preferred to see me go to a lay school, which did not found its teaching on the Koran but on modern science.

    "In this battle of consciences, my father managed to gain the victory after a small maneuver; he pretended to give in to my mother's wishes, and arranged that I should enter the (Islamic) school of Fatma Molla Kadin with the traditional ceremony. ...

    "Six months later, more or less, my father quietly withdrew me from the school and took me to that of old Shemsi Effendi who directed a free preparatory school according to European methods. My mother made no objection, since her desires had been complied with and her conventions respected. It was the ceremony above all which had satisfied her."

    Who was Mustafa Kemal's father, who behaved here in typical Doenme fashion, outwardly observing Muslim ceremonies while inwardly scoffing at them? Ataturk's mother Zubeyde came from the mountains west of Salonika, close to the current Albanian frontier; of the origins of his father, Ali Riza, little is known. Different writers have given them as Albanian, Anatolian and Salonikan, and Lord Kinross' compendious 1964 "Ataturk" calls Ali Riza a "shadowy personality" and adds cryptically regarding Ataturk's reluctance to disclose more about his family background: "To the child of so mixed an environment it would seldom occur, wherever his racial loyalties lay, to inquire too exactly into his personal origins beyond that of his parentage."

    Learning Hebrew

    Did Kinross suspect more than he was admitting? I would never have asked had I not recently come across a remarkable chapter while browsing in the out-of-print Hebrew autobiography of Itamar Ben-Avi, son of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, the leading promoter of the revival of spoken Hebrew in late 19th-century Palestine. Ben-Avi, the first child to be raised in Hebrew since ancient times and later a Hebrew journalist and newspaper publisher, writes in this book of walking into the Kamenitz Hotel in Jerusalem one autumn night in 1911 and being asked by its proprietor:
    " 'Do you see that Turkish officer sitting there in the corner, the one with the bottle of arrack?' "
    " 'Yes.' "
    " 'He's one of the most important officers in the Turkish army.' "
    " 'What's his name?' "
    " 'Mustafa Kemal.' "
    " 'I'd like to meet him,' I said, because the minute I looked at him I was startled by his piercing green eyes."

    Ben-Avi describes two meetings with Mustafa Kemal, who had not yet taken the name of Ataturk, 'Father of the Turks.' Both were conducted in French, were largely devoted to Ottoman politics, and were doused with large amounts of arrack. In the first of these, Kemal confided:

    "I'm a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi - not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. My opinion is that every Jew in this country would do well to join his camp."

    During their second meeting, held 10 days later in the same hotel, Mustafa Kemal said at one point:

    " 'I have at home a Hebrew Bible printed in Venice. It's rather old, and I remember my father bringing me to a Karaite teacher who taught me to read it. I can still remember a few words of it, such as --' "

    And Ben-Avi continues:
    "He paused for a moment, his eyes searching for something in space. Then he recalled:
    " 'Shema Yisra'el, Adonai Elohenu, Adonai Ehad!'
    " 'That's our most important prayer, Captain.'
    " 'And my secret prayer too, cher monsieur,' he replied, refilling our glasses."

    Although Itamar Ben-Avi could not have known it, Ataturk no doubt meant "secret prayer" quite literally. Among the esoteric prayers of the Doenme, first made known to the scholarly world when a book of them reached the National Library in Jerusalem in 1935, is one containing the confession of faith:

    "Sabbetai Zevi and none other is the true Messiah. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one."

    It was undoubtedly from this credo, rather than from the Bible, that Ataturk remembered the words of the Shema, which to the best of my knowledge he confessed knowing but once in his adult life: to a young Hebrew journalist whom he engaged in two tipsily animated conversations in Jerusalem nearly a decade before he took control of the Turkish army after its disastrous defeat in World War I, beat back the invading Greeks and founded a secular Turkish republic in which Islam was banished - once and for all, so he thought - to the mosques.

    Ataturk would have had good reasons for concealing his Doenme origins. Not only were the Doenmes (who married only among themselves and numbered close to 15,000, largely concentrated in Salonika, on the eve of World War I) looked down on as heretics by both Muslims and Jews, they had a reputation for sexual profligacy that could hardly have been flattering to their offspring. This license, which was theologically justified by the claim that it reflected the faithful's freedom from the biblical commandments under the new dispensation of Sabbetai Zevi, is described by Ezer Weizman's predecessor, Israel's second president, Yitzchak Ben-Zvi, in his book on lost Jewish communities, "The Exiled and the Redeemed":

    'Saintly Offspring'

    "Once a year (during the Doenmes' annual 'Sheep holiday') the candles are put out in the course of a dinner which is attended by orgies and the ceremony of the exchange of wives. ... The rite is practiced on the night of Sabbetai Zevi's traditional birthday. ... It is believed that children born of such unions are regarded as saintly."

    Although Ben-Zvi, writing in the 1950s, thought that "There is reason to believe that this ceremony has not been entirely abandoned and continues to this day," little is known about whether any of the Doenmes' traditional practices or social structures still survive in modern Turkey. The community abandoned Salonika along with the city's other Turkish residents during the Greco-Turkish war of 1920-21, and its descendants, many of whom are said to be wealthy businessmen and merchants in Istanbul, are generally thought to have assimilated totally into Turkish life.

    After sending my fax to Batya Keinan, I phoned to check that she had received it. She had indeed, she said, and would see to it that the president was given it to read on his flight to Ankara. It is doubtful, however, whether Mr. Weizman will allude to it during his visit: The Turkish government, which for years has been fending off Muslim fundamentalist assaults on its legitimacy and on the secular reforms of Ataturk, has little reason to welcome the news that the father of the 'Father of the Turks' was a crypto-Jew who passed on his anti-Muslim sentiments to his son. Mustafa Kemal's secret is no doubt one that it would prefer to continue to be kept.

    (more about Mustafa Kemal soon)

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    More about Mustafa Kemal's jewishness

    Quote Originally Posted by Ottoman
    Do you know that Mustafa Kemal, the dictator and the so-called founder of republic of turkey, is jewish?

    To this date, there is extreme confusion among Muslims and non-Muslims alike regarding who was Mustafa Kemal, the dictator of Turkey. Recently, new evidence has surfaced that Mustafa Kemal, the ruthless dictator of Turkey, was not only a non-muslim doenmeh, but a secret Jewish descendant of Jewish false prophet Sabbati Zevi! The evidence comes not from tracing his geneology, but from a statement he himself made. Check out the following :

    .....
    (more about jewish Mustafa Kemal soon)
    Here it is :

    Subject: Mustafa Kemal and Enver Pasha's jewishness in American Newspapers
    Source : The Literary Digest (a journal published in USA)
    October 14, 1922, page: 50

    A Spanish Jew by ancestry, an orthodox Moslem by birth and breeding, trained in a German war college, a patriot, a student of the campaigns of the world's great generals, including Napoleon, Grant and Lee - these are said to be a few outstanding characteristics in the personality of the new "Man on Horseback" who has appeared in the Near East. He is a real dictator, the correspondents testify, a man of the type which is at once the hope and fear of nations torn to pieces by unsuccessful wars. Unity and power have come back to Turkey largely through the will of Mustafa Kemal Pasha.

    ............

    There was the pasha himself, tall, still young, good-looking, narrow-hipped, wide-shouldered, with gray, rather sad eyes that spoke eloquently of his Spanish-Jewish ancestry - for Kemal, like Enver Pasha, tho an orthodox Moslem, is descended from those Spanish-Jewish families that, given by Christianity the tolerant choice between death, conversion and exile, found asylum and happiness in the Sultan's domains - and with strong, high-veined hands, broad and flat across the wrist - the hands of an artist, a dreamer, yet, too, those of a doer, a man who knows how to clout his dreams into facts.

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    Mustafa Kemal was a freemason as well...

    Mustafa Kemal was not only a secret jew and a British agent, but a freemason as well. If you make a basic internet search you can get lots of resources, articles and references on that... Check out the following links :

    calodges.org
    durham.net
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    sonsofliberty301.com
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    And here is the Famous Jews web page on www.jewwatch.com

    I am sure there are a lot more. Simply click on the above links and search for keywords "Mustafa" or "kemal", and enjoy it...

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