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    Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Out of all the non Muslims I have met, I always found Egyptian Christians to be the most hateful towards Islam. How's your experience been with the Egyptian Christians that you have met?

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousHistorian View Post
    Egypt was under the Roman empire, the Byzantines or the "Eastern Roman empire," is what led to the large growth of Christianity in the country. The fact is though, the Romans took Egypt, initially by force, had the Romans never took Egypt to begin with, their will be little to no Christianity.
    The Romans "took over" Egypt long before the Byzantine Empire rose - before Christianity was invented, even. For a long time Greek and Egyptian cultures were interconnected and some of the largest Greek cities were in Egypt. The Egyptian monarchs overthrown by the Romans were the Ptolemies, descended from one of Alexander's Macedonian generals and an Egyptian dynasty.
    In fact, the spread of Christianity in the Roman empire was against the wishes of the empire's rulers and administrators, who tried drastically to prevent it. . Most of them only became Christians reluctantly, after it was clear that if they wanted to rule and administer the empire they'd have to become Christians.
    Christianity spread beyond the bounds of the Roman empire at an early stage - the ones Mohammed himself encountered certainly weren't Romans of any kind - so it's likely it would have spread to Egypt too, whoever ruled it. Equally, had the Arabs never never took Egypt to begin with, their will be little to no islam there.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sceptic View Post
    The Romans "took over" Egypt long before the Byzantine Empire rose - before Christianity was invented, even. For a long time Greek and Egyptian cultures were interconnected and some of the largest Greek cities were in Egypt. The Egyptian monarchs overthrown by the Romans were the Ptolemies, descended from one of Alexander's Macedonian generals and an Egyptian dynasty.
    In fact, the spread of Christianity in the Roman empire was against the wishes of the empire's rulers and administrators, who tried drastically to prevent it. . Most of them only became Christians reluctantly, after it was clear that if they wanted to rule and administer the empire they'd have to become Christians.
    Christianity spread beyond the bounds of the Roman empire at an early stage - the ones Mohammed himself encountered certainly weren't Romans of any kind - so it's likely it would have spread to Egypt too, whoever ruled it. Equally, had the Arabs never never took Egypt to begin with, their will be little to no islam there.
    You're missing the point. The fact is, a foreign occupational force brought Christianity to Egypt; it did not come from within the Egyptians. The fact that the Romans (Byzantines) latter changed their religion doesn't matter, hence Egypt wouldn't have large masses of Christianity if it weren't for the Byzantine occupation. Secondly, the ones that Prophet Muhammed PBUH met, such as Ibn Waraqa did not believe in the trinity and believed in the coming of another prophet, so they were not the same as the Trinitarian Christians you see today. The only Trinitarian Christians that the Rasool (Alyhesalam) did meet were the Byzantines.
    Last edited by CuriousHistorian; 28-10-17 at 06:39 PM.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousHistorian View Post
    You're missing the point. The fact is, a foreign occupational force brought Christianity to Egypt; it did not come from within the Egyptians. The fact that the Romans (Byzantines) latter changed their religion doesn't matter, hence Egypt wouldn't have large masses of Christianity if it weren't for the Byzantine occupation. Secondly, the ones that Prophet Muhammed PBUH met, such as Ibn Waraqa did not believe in the trinity and believed in the coming of another prophet, so they were not the same as the Trinitarian Christians you see today. The only Trinitarian Christians that the Rasool (Alyhesalam) did meet were the Byzantines.
    Except that it wasn't a foreign occupational force that brought Christianity to Egypt. Christianity was spread by Christians and "the foreign occupational force" did all they could to suppress it.
    The number of things Christians can believe is astonishing, however, people who believed in the coming of another prophet - and, presumably, from what you're saying, that Christ was not a prophet - weren't Christians in the eyes of Christians. Christians all believed Christ was both god and the son of god. Quite how they believed it is another matter. If you ever want to inflict brain damage on yourself, take a look at the homoousion homoiousian. homoean and heteroousian definitions of the trinity.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    I have knows this from even before i was a muslim..

    My question was,if the muslim vomunity is bigger in a certain country shouldnt the kuffar then like islam more due to them seeing islam more, due to the fact more muslims can show what islam is
    Well most countries today aren't very Islamic are they?

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by dsr478 View Post
    Well most countries today aren't very Islamic are they?
    I know
    يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

    Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by dsr478 View Post
    The deity in the OT is, to put it bluntly, Patrick Bateman if you gave him control over the universe.
    kek

    thats "lol" in orcish
    "arm yourself with knowledge and laugh at the accusers"
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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by magok View Post
    kek

    thats "lol" in orcish
    top kek

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by dsr478 View Post
    top kek
    but thankfuly they are all talk, they actualy dont do any harm they act friendly actualy, they are like ants in a desert, easily ignored
    "arm yourself with knowledge and laugh at the accusers"
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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by magok View Post
    but thankfuly they are all talk, they actualy dont do any harm they act friendly actualy, they are like ants in a desert, easily ignored
    Yeah, and just like ants, they can get very annoying.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousHistorian View Post
    Also Arab Christians have the gift of Arabic, so they can read an understand the Quran. This whole 'Muslims give a bad impression,' is a folly excuse. End of the day if someone was worthy Allah SWT will guide them.
    I don't believe it's entirely a "folly excuse". But you do make a good point.

    @Abd al-Rahman

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by dsr478 View Post
    Yeah, and just like ants, they can get very annoying.
    and like them, they can be scared away easily
    "arm yourself with knowledge and laugh at the accusers"
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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    My question was,if the muslim vomunity is bigger in a certain country shouldnt the kuffar then like islam more due to them seeing islam more, due to the fact more muslims can show what islam is
    Perhaps that's why they like it less.
    Apart from that, the common muslim belief that muslims are entitled to create a muslim state, rule over nonmuslims, force them to pay protection-money, stop them behaving in ways that muslims do not like - and that's just the ones muslims will "tolerate" - hardly endears them to nonmuslims.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sceptic View Post
    Perhaps that's why they like it less.
    Apart from that, the common muslim belief that muslims are entitled to create a muslim state, rule over nonmuslims, force them to pay protection-money, stop them behaving in ways that muslims do not like - and that's just the ones muslims will "tolerate" - hardly endears them to nonmuslims.
    Wym hardly endears, i dont understand
    يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

    Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    Wym hardly endears, i dont understand
    I assume "wym" = "What [do] you mean?"

    "hardly endears" = "doesn't make them seem likeable"

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sceptic View Post
    I assume "wym" = "What [do] you mean?"

    "hardly endears" = "doesn't make them seem likeable"
    I still dont understand what you meant
    Sorry
    يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

    Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Muslims believe they are entitled to rule over nonmuslims,
    Muslims believe they are entitled to force nonmuslims to pay protection-money
    Muslims believe they are entitled to expel, kill or forcibly convert nonmuslims who are not "people of the book"
    Muslims believe they are entitled to force nonmuslims to behave in ways that muslims think proper.

    It isn't surprising nonmuslims like islam less the more muslims there are in their countries and the more clearly they see what islam is.

 

 

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