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    Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Out of all the non Muslims I have met, I always found Egyptian Christians to be the most hateful towards Islam. How's your experience been with the Egyptian Christians that you have met?

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousHistorian View Post
    Out of all the non Muslims I have met, I always found Egyptian Christians to be the most hateful towards Islam. How's your experience been with the Egyptian Christians that you have met?


    Arab christians in general, syrians, lebanese, iraqis and egyptians, despise Islam with a great passion. This is because the Qur'an refuted their kufr in numerous and beautiful ayat, and then the mujahideen crushed them and made them pay jizya, subdued and humiliated, and most of their lands became Muslim

    Then came colonialism, which reversed this position and gave christians a degree of authority over Muslims, giving them high positions in society and oppurtunies to amass great wealth and obtain advanced education in colonial schools. After independence, numerous secular nationalist and socialist kafir regimes rose in Muslim lands, pushed by the west, fully promoting music, drinking, gambling, zina, and extremely strict anti hijab rules. Christians were in full support of these regimes. These regimes were extremely nationalistic and promoted a pan arab identity over an Islamic one. Thats why you see many of the prominent arab nationalists like aflek were christians, many others were nusayri shia like haffez al assad.

    But as time has passed, the salafi dawah rose in Muslim lands, walhamdulillah, as did ikhwanis(who i dont agree with, but their effect is undeniable), and many Muslims became wise to the corruption of these regimes and the falsehood of arab nationalism, also the role of arab christians in supporting these ideologies and regimes, and they also become more aware of the ayat in the quran concerning ahlul kitab.

    Today, arab christians are desperate to prevent Muslims from returning back to Islamic rulership and governance because they know they will be returned to a humiliated position as the qurman commands in tawbah 29, and in the west, they constantly go on tv to condemn any faintly islamic party as terrorists and appeal to western governments and western christians to support regimes that crack down on practicing Muslims.

    They hate Islam because they know Islam will take away the authority they've held since colonialism, and for that reason they fight against it.
    وَمَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ وَالْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًا قَبْضَتُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَالسَّمَاوَاتُ مَطْوِيَّاتٌ بِيَمِينِهِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
    They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. (Az-Zumar: 67)

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    No but a syrian christian i met once hated islam woth her whole heart
    يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

    Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousHistorian View Post
    Out of all the non Muslims I have met, I always found Egyptian Christians to be the most hateful towards Islam. How's your experience been with the Egyptian Christians that you have met?
    As they've been invaded, conquered and made subjects of muslims, it's hardly surprising. As for "the most hateful towards Islam", they've got pretty strong competition from hindus, Ethiopian Christians and east Europeans.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sceptic View Post
    As they've been invaded, conquered and made subjects of muslims, it's hardly surprising. As for "the most hateful towards Islam", they've got pretty strong competition from hindus, Ethiopian Christians and east Europeans.
    lol
    but the Christian Byzantines who invaded Egypt and forced them into Christianity, that's not considered "conquered?"

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousHistorian View Post
    lol
    but the Christian Byzantines who invaded Egypt and forced them into Christianity, that's not considered "conquered?"
    Lol..in your face Sceptic
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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abd al-Rahman View Post


    Arab christians in general, syrians, lebanese, iraqis and egyptians, despise Islam with a great passion. This is because the Qur'an refuted their kufr in numerous and beautiful ayat, and then the mujahideen crushed them and made them pay jizya, subdued and humiliated, and most of their lands became Muslim

    Then came colonialism, which reversed this position and gave christians a degree of authority over Muslims, giving them high positions in society and oppurtunies to amass great wealth and obtain advanced education in colonial schools. After independence, numerous secular nationalist and socialist kafir regimes rose in Muslim lands, pushed by the west, fully promoting music, drinking, gambling, zina, and extremely strict anti hijab rules. Christians were in full support of these regimes. These regimes were extremely nationalistic and promoted a pan arab identity over an Islamic one. Thats why you see many of the prominent arab nationalists like aflek were christians, many others were nusayri shia like haffez al assad.

    But as time has passed, the salafi dawah rose in Muslim lands, walhamdulillah, as did ikhwanis(who i dont agree with, but their effect is undeniable), and many Muslims became wise to the corruption of these regimes and the falsehood of arab nationalism, also the role of arab christians in supporting these ideologies and regimes, and they also become more aware of the ayat in the quran concerning ahlul kitab.

    Today, arab christians are desperate to prevent Muslims from returning back to Islamic rulership and governance because they know they will be returned to a humiliated position as the qurman commands in tawbah 29, and in the west, they constantly go on tv to condemn any faintly islamic party as terrorists and appeal to western governments and western christians to support regimes that crack down on practicing Muslims.

    They hate Islam because they know Islam will take away the authority they've held since colonialism, and for that reason they fight against it.
    Truly disgusting post.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousHistorian View Post
    Out of all the non Muslims I have met, I always found Egyptian Christians to be the most hateful towards Islam. How's your experience been with the Egyptian Christians that you have met?
    Interesting. I’ve known a number of Christians from Egypt. From the discussions I had with them, they felt that the media caused many problems and that the Muslims were their neighbors and whatever conflicts that existed were blown out of proportion. I guess it depends on who you speak with.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by IlFaraone View Post
    Truly disgusting post.
    Allah 'azza wa jal said, in the 8 and 9 ayahs of surah as saf

    They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.

    It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although those who associate others with Allah dislike it.

    Islam is the religion of truth, Allah has sent it to become manifest and supreme over all other religions and their adherents, even if they dislike and despise it. I don't know if you are a Muslim or not, i am not familiar with your posts on here, but most Muslims are overjoyed by this truth, that Allah has perfected this religion and he will make it victorious. You seem to dislike this though, no bother, one day Islam will rule over you, even if youhatw it, and it will rule over the spiteful christians, even though they have striven as hard as they could against it.

    This is the promise of Allah, and indeed he does not break his promise, ومن أصدق من الله قيلا
    وَمَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ وَالْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًا قَبْضَتُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَالسَّمَاوَاتُ مَطْوِيَّاتٌ بِيَمِينِهِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
    They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. (Az-Zumar: 67)

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sceptic View Post
    As they've been invaded, conquered and made subjects of muslims, it's hardly surprising. As for "the most hateful towards Islam", they've got pretty strong competition from hindus, Ethiopian Christians and east Europeans.
    Curioushistorian 'as a good point geeza. 'ee said 'ow bout the Byzantines and Christianity?

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousHistorian View Post
    Out of all the non Muslims I have met, I always found Egyptian Christians to be the most hateful towards Islam. How's your experience been with the Egyptian Christians that you have met?
    Have you any experience with Iranian non-Muslims? I would definitely class them as the most hateful towards Islam from amongst the Kuffar. Many of those in the west escaped the war , or have left the country after experiencing the current Shia regime - which has obviously resulted in a vehement opposition to the Religion.

    I would agree with you though , Egyptian Arabs , although very nice people , with good manners - they can be quite distasteful with regards to certain elements of Islaam and/or Islamic groups (Salafees to be specific)

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Probably because they don't like Muslims being in charge.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    hate ?

    arnt these guys supposed to be all loving and holy ?

    their "god" certainly is, or was, not in the OT though
    "arm yourself with knowledge and laugh at the accusers"
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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abd al-Rahman View Post
    Allah 'azza wa jal said, in the 8 and 9 ayahs of surah as saf

    They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.

    It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although those who associate others with Allah dislike it.

    Islam is the religion of truth, Allah has sent it to become manifest and supreme over all other religions and their adherents, even if they dislike and despise it. I don't know if you are a Muslim or not, i am not familiar with your posts on here, but most Muslims are overjoyed by this truth, that Allah has perfected this religion and he will make it victorious. You seem to dislike this though, no bother, one day Islam will rule over you, even if youhatw it, and it will rule over the spiteful christians, even though they have striven as hard as they could against it.

    This is the promise of Allah, and indeed he does not break his promise, ومن أصدق من الله قيلا

    If you look at his posting history, you will see that he is a hard core assadist

    here is some of the garbage he posted:

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    Hahaha, no, no. I couldn't care less if Assad is an Alawite. Assad fights AGAINST the terrorists. What will happen if Assad leaves? Do you want it become an absolute mess like Libya?

    All those lies about Assad in the western media are despicable. Only accusations, nothing substantiated. That rubbish report about him hanging 13000 people is the biggest crap I've seen yet.

    The rebels need to stop pointing their weapons to the wrong people, and point them at the right ones.

    If Assad falls, Syria falls.
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    US terrorists are at it again, attacking a sovereign state that fights AGAINST terrorism. US has to help their buddies ISIS, White Helmets and the rebel mercenaries again. There is simply no way to justify this attack. There is no way Assad used chemical weapons, not at this stage when he's winning. Don't forget that the OPCW inspected every corner of Syria and took away all their chemical weapons.

    Assad is the democratically elected president of Syria, but he's hated by the US because of his anti-American stance. If you're anti-American, the US will cause wars in your country, make sure enough men, women and children die and put it all over the media to garner sympathy from their own public to come and kill you. Then they'll install their pro-American puppet.

    May the US, Israel and all their European vassals burn in hell for their crimes.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    I think kuffar in countries with significant Muslim populations tend to hate Islam.
    Last edited by .khayriyyah.; 28-10-17 at 02:53 AM.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by magok View Post
    hate ?

    arnt these guys supposed to be all loving and holy ?

    their "god" certainly is, or was, not in the OT though
    The deity in the OT is, to put it bluntly, Patrick Bateman if you gave him control over the universe.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Some of you are getting a little too emotional and need to pump the brakes and gear down.

    The deity in the old testament/torah is Allah awj keep in mind and many of the facts related in the OT/torah are WAJIB for you to believe in.

    Yes details,dates.lineages and names have been change but not that much for anyone to say it was other than Allah awj who sent Noah/nuh as,Moses/Musa as,David/Dawood as,Soloman/Sulaimen as,Jesus/Isa as and a number of other prophets as confirmed by the Qur'an. Same with the flood,the miracle of the sea parting for Musa as,the punishment of Sodom,etc.

    Careful with your hatred clouding your judgement as you are comiting Kufr Akbar by disbelieving in things you were explicitly told to believe in.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousHistorian View Post
    lol
    but the Christian Byzantines who invaded Egypt and forced them into Christianity, that's not considered "conquered?"
    And when, exactly, did the Christian Byzantines invade Egypt and force them into Christianity?

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Samsandman View Post
    Some of you are getting a little too emotional and need to pump the brakes and gear down.

    The deity in the old testament/torah is Allah awj keep in mind and many of the facts related in the OT/torah are WAJIB for you to believe in.

    Yes details,dates.lineages and names have been change but not that much for anyone to say it was other than Allah awj who sent Noah/nuh as,Moses/Musa as,David/Dawood as,Soloman/Sulaimen as,Jesus/Isa as and a number of other prophets as confirmed by the Qur'an. Same with the flood,the miracle of the sea parting for Musa as,the punishment of Sodom,etc.

    Careful with your hatred clouding your judgement as you are comiting Kufr Akbar by disbelieving in things you were explicitly told to believe in.
    These are big claims to make, who is disbelieving and what was their statement of kufr?

    It is obligatory upon the Muslim to regard the jews and christians as disbelievers and have emnity towards them, this is from walaa wal baraa and iman.

    Edit: nvm i think i saw the post you were talking about lol
    وَمَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ وَالْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًا قَبْضَتُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَالسَّمَاوَاتُ مَطْوِيَّاتٌ بِيَمِينِهِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
    They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. (Az-Zumar: 67)

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by dsr478 View Post
    The deity in the OT is, to put it bluntly, Patrick Bateman if you gave him control over the universe.
    This is not a good statement to make akhi...
    وَمَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ وَالْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًا قَبْضَتُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَالسَّمَاوَاتُ مَطْوِيَّاتٌ بِيَمِينِهِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
    They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. (Az-Zumar: 67)

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by .khayriyyah. View Post
    I think kuffar in countries with significant Muslim populations tend to hate Islam.
    But why tho sis, i mean they should come to love islam if they see what islam really is
    يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Samsandman View Post
    Some of you are getting a little too emotional and need to pump the brakes and gear down.

    The deity in the old testament/torah is Allah awj keep in mind and many of the facts related in the OT/torah are WAJIB for you to believe in.

    Yes details,dates.lineages and names have been change but not that much for anyone to say it was other than Allah awj who sent Noah/nuh as,Moses/Musa as,David/Dawood as,Soloman/Sulaimen as,Jesus/Isa as and a number of other prophets as confirmed by the Qur'an. Same with the flood,the miracle of the sea parting for Musa as,the punishment of Sodom,etc.

    Careful with your hatred clouding your judgement as you are comiting Kufr Akbar by disbelieving in things you were explicitly told to believe in.
    The books have been corrupted extensively. They go as far as to suggest that certain prophets were drunkards or committed other types of sins, and that some of them married their siblings. They also state that God needs rest.

    This is a far cry from Islam, let's not give these guys too much credit.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abd al-Rahman View Post
    This is not a good statement to make akhi...
    Their books have been corrupted extensively, there's no need to sugar coat at this point.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    But why tho sis, i mean they should come to love islam if they see what islam really is
    Kafirs don't like Islam or Muslims.

    The sooner you realise this, the better.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by dsr478 View Post
    Kafirs don't like Islam or Muslims.

    The sooner you realise this, the better.
    I have knows this from even before i was a muslim..

    My question was,if the muslim vomunity is bigger in a certain country shouldnt the kuffar then like islam more due to them seeing islam more, due to the fact more muslims can show what islam is
    يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    could some of this described anger and hatred, that people say is happening and if this anger is true, be partually originate from historical and more recent persecution of Christians at the hands of Muslims such as the attack or burning down of over 50 Christian churches and the not too distant kidnapping and beheading of Christians by certain Muslim groups be a cause?

    Egypt's Coptic churches hit by deadly blasts on Palm Sunday http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39544451
    Egypt Coptic Christians: IS claims attack http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40070612
    Egypt crisis: Churches under attack http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23727404
    Egypt Coptic Christians killed in bus attack http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40059307
    They were among almost 50 people killed in co-ordinated attacks at two churches. The bombings - on Palm Sunday http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39694408
    Last edited by Door; 28-10-17 at 10:34 AM.

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    And when, exactly, did the Christian Byzantines invade Egypt and force them into Christianity?

    Egypt was under the Roman empire, the Byzantines or the "Eastern Roman empire," is what led to the large growth of Christianity in the country. The fact is though, the Romans took Egypt, initially by force, had the Romans never took Egypt to begin with, their will be little to no Christianity.

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

    Quote Originally Posted by Door View Post
    could some of this described anger and hatred, that people say is happening and if this anger is true, be partually originate from historical and more recent persecution of Christians at the hands of Muslims such as the attack or burning down of over 50 Christian churches and the not too distant kidnapping and beheading of Christians by certain Muslim groups be a cause?

    Egypt's Coptic churches hit by deadly blasts on Palm Sunday http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39544451
    Egypt Coptic Christians: IS claims attack http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40070612
    Egypt crisis: Churches under attack http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23727404
    Egypt Coptic Christians killed in bus attack http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40059307
    They were among almost 50 people killed in co-ordinated attacks at two churches. The bombings - on Palm Sunday http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39694408


    You are being selective here. Egyptian Christians hatred towards Islam really became apparent during the time of the Egyptian elections. Most of the Christians in Egypt, decided to support the secular movement and even support the secular Sisi, and fight against Morsi's election, despite being fair. Bare in mind that Egypt, was a secular nationalist state, and the coptics simply wanted to keep it that way. Hence why the sectarian war that is occurring between them and Muslims today, not that I'm justifying any of the links that you posted.

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    But why tho sis, i mean they should come to love islam if they see what islam really is
    That's where the main problem lies. They don't see what islam really is. They don't see the character, the dealings, the lifestyle of Nabi in the muslims (with few exception ofc). When muslims come back to deen, the situation would change, by the will of Allah.

    And the ones who after experiencing the beauty of islam, still don't leave their old religion, that could be from a number of reasons, mainly, Arrogance.


    (Also, there is a good side too ofc, there is effort made by the people of deen, always insha'Allah.)

    Allahu 'Alam

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    Kafirs don't like Islam or Muslims.

    The sooner you realise this, the better.
    It depends on the person, those who are genuine about God will be interested and convert, but many of the people (ahem today) who worship their desires will want things to stay this way despite the obvious corruption or oppression. Many claim to be "Christian," follow it by culture and don't follow it as it should. Either way, in Islam we're not supposed to force anyone into converting to Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousHistorian View Post
    You are being selective here. Egyptian Christians hatred towards Islam really became apparent during the time of the Egyptian elections. Most of the Christians in Egypt, decided to support the secular movement and even support the secular Sisi, and fight against Morsi's election, despite being fair. Bare in mind that Egypt, was a secular nationalist state, and the coptics simply wanted to keep it that way. Hence why the sectarian war that is occurring between them and Muslims today, not that I'm justifying any of the links that you posted.
    Many Muslims also support the secular movement and many Muslims scontinue to support Sisi. Does that mean they hate Islam because they are Muslims?

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    Many Muslims also support the secular movement and many Muslims scontinue to support Sisi. Does that mean they hate Islam because they are Muslims?
    Yes and no, they were never true Muslims to begin with and were mere followers of Arabism. Egypt like many Arab countries believes in secular Arabism, such as Baatheism. These so called Muslims were simply exposed as atheists when the fitnah became real.

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    That's where the main problem lies. They don't see what islam really is. They don't see the character, the dealings, the lifestyle of Nabi in the muslims (with few exception ofc). When muslims come back to deen, the situation would change, by the will of Allah.

    And the ones who after experiencing the beauty of islam, still don't leave their old religion, that could be from a number of reasons, mainly, Arrogance.


    (Also, there is a good side too ofc, there is effort made by the people of deen, always insha'Allah.)

    Allahu 'Alam
    True also possibly the muslims dont portray the right akhlaq
    يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

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    Many Muslims also support the secular movement and many Muslims scontinue to support Sisi. Does that mean they hate Islam because they are Muslims?
    Do you understand its possible to have a messsed up aqeedah and deen while still considering yourself Muslim, or calling yourself such? Shias and qadianis consider themselves Muslim, and they have nothing to do with islam.

    Im not saying everyone who supports sisi is a kafir, of course not, but we need to look back to the qur'an and sunnah. Democracy and ruling with kufri laws, this is completely against the religion, and sisi has done many other acts from the nawaqid of Islam. Be realistic. I am an American but I live and study in Egypt, while there is a ton of benefit here in regards to Islamic studies...you can begin to see how his rule has spread even more corruption and poverty here.
    وَمَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ وَالْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًا قَبْضَتُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَالسَّمَاوَاتُ مَطْوِيَّاتٌ بِيَمِينِهِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
    They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. (Az-Zumar: 67)

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    But why tho sis, i mean they should come to love islam if they see what islam really is
    Quote Originally Posted by mazuiz View Post
    That's where the main problem lies. They don't see what islam really is. They don't see the character, the dealings, the lifestyle of Nabi in the muslims (with few exception ofc). When muslims come back to deen, the situation would change, by the will of Allah.

    And the ones who after experiencing the beauty of islam, still don't leave their old religion, that could be from a number of reasons, mainly, Arrogance.


    (Also, there is a good side too ofc, there is effort made by the people of deen, always insha'Allah.)

    Allahu 'Alam
    Not really, many egyptian Muslims don't like christians and they are discriminated against, and ISIS bombs their churches and massacres them from time to time, and they are also taught in their churches that all Muslims are evil and want to destroy them. Go to r/excoptic to see what ex egyptian christians have to say about what they were taught.

    One must keep in mind though that the coptic church and pope were instrumental in supporting the 2013 coup and they also have struggled for as long as egypt has been an independent country to keep any hint of Islam from appearing jn public. Thats why they are widely resented. They are the strongest supporters of secular states because they know they will be once again disgraced if Islam is again made powerful in Egypt and other countries.

    Lastly, it is not from Islam that christians should have an exalted position in the society, or be placed above the Muslims. Read the end of 9:29, Allah commands that the Muslims make them pay jizya, صاغرين, humiliated and disgraced. The scholars have concluded that it is impermissible to place ahlul dhimmah amongst the Muslims. So the society is out of wack, and many christians have amassed great amount of money like naguib swairis, and they mock and fight against Islam.

    But Allah(swt) has promised that the ultimate victory will be for Islam...ومن أصدق من الله قيلا
    وَمَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ وَالْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًا قَبْضَتُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَالسَّمَاوَاتُ مَطْوِيَّاتٌ بِيَمِينِهِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
    They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. (Az-Zumar: 67)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abd al-Rahman View Post
    Not really, many egyptian Muslims don't like christians and they are discriminated against, and ISIS bombs their churches and massacres them from time to time, and they are also taught in their churches that all Muslims are evil and want to destroy them. Go to r/excoptic to see what ex egyptian christians have to say about what they were taught.

    One must keep in mind though that the coptic church and pope were instrumental in supporting the 2013 coup and they also have struggled for as long as egypt has been an independent country to keep any hint of Islam from appearing jn public. Thats why they are widely resented. They are the strongest supporters of secular states because they know they will be once again disgraced if Islam is again made powerful in Egypt and other countries.

    Lastly, it is not from Islam that christians should have an exalted position in the society, or be placed above the Muslims. Read the end of 9:29, Allah commands that the Muslims make them pay jizya, صاغرين, humiliated and disgraced. The scholars have concluded that it is impermissible to place ahlul dhimmah amongst the Muslims. So the society is out of wack, and many christians have amassed great amount of money like naguib swairis, and they mock and fight against Islam.

    But Allah(swt) has promised that the ultimate victory will be for Islam...ومن أصدق من الله قيلا
    Yea true i remember in church my priest was very anti islam he told us they want to drag as many people as they can down with them but in the end thats what the christians want to .. so the hate is based on nothing, christian logic is so vague
    يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

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    Yea true i remember in church my priest was very anti islam he told us they want to drag as many people as they can down with them but in the end thats what the christians want to .. so the hate is based on nothing, christian logic is so vague
    Also Arab Christians have the gift of Arabic, so they can read an understand the Quran. This whole 'Muslims give a bad impression,' is a folly excuse. End of the day if someone was worthy Allah SWT will guide them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    Yea true i remember in church my priest was very anti islam he told us they want to drag as many people as they can down with them but in the end thats what the christians want to .. so the hate is based on nothing, christian logic is so vague
    Yes, their aqeedah is very confused and contradictory
    وَمَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ وَالْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًا قَبْضَتُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَالسَّمَاوَاتُ مَطْوِيَّاتٌ بِيَمِينِهِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
    They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. (Az-Zumar: 67)

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    Re: Egyptian Christians And Their Hatred For Islam?

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    But why tho sis, i mean they should come to love islam if they see what islam really is
    I'm not completely sure why. If I look at my mother's tribe, I think historical interactions with Muslims influenced them. There are practically no Muslims in the province, but the country is 30% Muslim. I think the wars with Muslim invaders and the Arab slave trade made them feel this way. I also think the war with Somalia and terrorist attacks in the country played a role. I think they've seen the increasing population of Muslims as a threat for quite some time.

    Tribalism is pretty common between Ethiopians and from the arguments I've heard, some of these things have to do with what went down 40+ years ago. It seems some don't even know why they hate other Ethiopians. If they can feel this way towards fellow Christians, then what about Muslims?

    I also think kuffar are bound to hate Islam anyway.

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    Also Arab Christians have the gift of Arabic, so they can read an understand the Quran. This whole 'Muslims give a bad impression,' is a folly excuse. End of the day if someone was worthy Allah SWT will guide them.
    Quote Originally Posted by .khayriyyah. View Post
    I'm not completely sure why. If I look at my mother's tribe, I think historical interactions with Muslims influenced them. There are practically no Muslims in the province, but the country is 30% Muslim. I think the wars with Muslim invaders and the Arab slave trade made them feel this way. I also think the war with Somalia and terrorist attacks in the country played a role. I think they've seen the increasing population of Muslims as a threat for quite some time.

    Tribalism is pretty common between Ethiopians and from the arguments I've heard, some of these things have to do with what went down 40+ years ago. It seems some don't even know why they hate other Ethiopians. If they can feel this way towards fellow Christians, then what about Muslims?

    I also think kuffar are bound to hate Islam anyway.
    well yea true Ameen
    SubhanAllah they should be living in peace tho its so weird
    يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

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