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    Social security in an islamic state



    How would social security be in an islamic state?

    1) wellfare for unemployemeny
    2) child benifit
    3) retirement
    4) wellfare for sick or disabled people
    5) wellfare for work related diseases or accidents
    6) yearly vacation

    In Belgium this, and the sustaining of the entire country (roads, health, public spaces,...) is done with withholding 13.07% of 108% of the workman's loan. How is this done, in an islamic state with 2.5% of 100% of a workman's wage?
    Last edited by .Hajar.; 18-10-17 at 10:07 PM.
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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    I think the very dynamics of life would be different in a khalifa

    I think you should ask @Abu Musab this or maybe @Abu Kamel would now

    Im going to follow this thread because im interested in the answer

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpski View Post
    I think the very dynamics of life would be different in a khalifa

    I think you should ask @Abu Musab this or maybe @Abu Kamel would now

    Im going to follow this thread because im interested in the answer
    Yea probably some stuff would be erased but then is it still doable to have a firm social security plan basically... we will see what others have in mind
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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post


    How would social security be in an islamic state?

    1) wellfare for unemployemeny
    2) child benifit
    3) retirement
    4) wellfare for sick or disabled people
    5) wellfare for work related diseases or accidents
    6) yearly vacation

    In Belgium this, and the sustaining of the entire country (roads, health, public spaces,...) is done with withholding 13.07% of 108% of the workman's loan. How is this done, in an islamic state with 2.5% of 100% of a workman's loan?


    What is the full income tax that one pays in Belgium?

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by horizon View Post


    What is the full income tax that one pays in Belgium?
    That which you bolted
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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post


    How would social security be in an islamic state?

    1) wellfare for unemployemeny
    2) child benifit
    3) retirement
    4) wellfare for sick or disabled people
    5) wellfare for work related diseases or accidents
    6) yearly vacation

    In Belgium this, and the sustaining of the entire country (roads, health, public spaces,...) is done with withholding 13.07% of 108% of the workman's loan. How is this done, in an islamic state with 2.5% of 100% of a workman's loan?


    What's a workman's loan?

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    That which you bolted
    You said 13,07% of 108% = 14,12% ?

    Wow, that is so little. I assumed socialist Europe had taxes close to 40-50%.

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by horizon View Post
    You said 13,07% of 108% = 14,12% ?

    Wow, that is so little. I assumed socialist Europe had taxes close to 40-50%.
    That's the UK...we look after our immigrants.

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by zi-zizou View Post


    What's a workman's loan?
    The money a person who works receives in return for his work
    Quote Originally Posted by horizon View Post
    You said 13,07% of 108% = 14,12% ?

    Wow, that is so little. I assumed socialist Europe had taxes close to 40-50%.
    Well ppl who work like at a desk pay 13.07 on 100% and ppl who work with hands pay 13.07 on 108% prolly cus they wanted to keep the 13.07 they liked that

    So u pay half of ur wage to the govt?
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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    @aynina :

    1 more off-topic question:

    Why is it called a workman's loan?

    Why not income or salary or wage?

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by horizon View Post
    @aynina :

    1 more off-topic question:

    Why is it called a workman's loan?

    Why not income or salary or wage?
    Bc english is not my mother tongue
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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    The money a person who works receives in return for his work

    Well ppl who work like at a desk pay 13.07 on 100% and ppl who work with hands pay 13.07 on 108% prolly cus they wanted to keep the 13.07 they liked that

    So u pay half of ur loan to the govt?
    But a loan is something that is borrowed and needs to be returned in some form.

    Those that work at their desk use there feet? is that what you're saying? It's hard to take you Belguimites seriously.

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by zi-zizou View Post
    But a loan is something that is borrowed and needs to be returned in some form.

    Those that work at their desk use there feet? is that what you're saying? It's hard to take you Belguimites seriously.
    Omg thats so embarrassing ur right im such a retard "loon" is dutch for wage so i litterally translated

    Theres a difference between "head- work" and actual work

    @admin @moderators @-Yassar @Fais @.Hajar. @Abu 'Abdullaah @Jenicca @samin62 @علي @Meriadoc @Darul Ilm @device please change "loan" in OP to wage in sha Allah
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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    Omg thats so embarrassing ur right im such a retard "loon" is dutch for wage so i litterally translated

    Theres a difference between "head- work" and actual work

    @admin @moderators @-Yassar @Fais @.Hajar. @Abu 'Abdullaah @Jenicca @samin62 @علي @Meriadoc @Darul Ilm @device please change "loan" in OP to wage in sha Allah
    Calm your horses sister, we've cleared it up, it's okay no harm done.

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post


    How would social security be in an islamic state?

    1) wellfare for unemployemeny
    2) child benifit
    3) retirement
    4) wellfare for sick or disabled people
    5) wellfare for work related diseases or accidents
    6) yearly vacation

    In Belgium this, and the sustaining of the entire country (roads, health, public spaces,...) is done with withholding 13.07% of 108% of the workman's loan. How is this done, in an islamic state with 2.5% of 100% of a workman's loan?
    Just a correction. The zakah is not 2.5% of 100%, but rather 2.5% of whatever a workman is able to save for 1 year. So much much less than 2.5% of 100%. However, there are other taxes that were applied, but I haven't studied that aspect of the Shariah or history, so I can't elaborate on those taxes.

    There is also sadaqah in general that Muslims are encouraged to give to the needy.

    As for what would happen in an Islamic State, then all the revenue (tax, war booty, etc.) goes into the bait ul-mal, or treasury. From there it is up to the ruler to figure out a system for distributing it for the needs of the people and government. During the Khilafah Rashidah (and even today in Saudia and other countries), there was a stipend for every citizen including children. If someone was still needy after that, then more was given to them from the treasury at the discretion of the ruler or a wealthy citizen would give them sadaqah.

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by abdulsidd View Post
    Just a correction. The zakah is not 2.5% of 100%, but rather 2.5% of whatever a workman is able to save for 1 year. So much much less than 2.5% of 100%. However, there are other taxes that were applied, but I haven't studied that aspect of the Shariah or history, so I can't elaborate on those taxes.

    There is also sadaqah in general that Muslims are encouraged to give to the needy.

    As for what would happen in an Islamic State, then all the revenue (tax, war booty, etc.) goes into the bait ul-mal, or treasury. From there it is up to the ruler to figure out a system for distributing it for the needs of the people and government. During the Khilafah Rashidah (and even today in Saudia and other countries), there was a stipend for every citizen including children. If someone was still needy after that, then more was given to them from the treasury at the discretion of the ruler or a wealthy citizen would give them sadaqah.
    So social security wouldnt really exist much, figuring ppl give less then even a fifth of what belgium has
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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    So social security wouldnt really exist much, figuring ppl give less then even a fifth of what belgium has
    Why wouldn't it exist? Even back then, everyone got a stipend. Its so much easier today with all the oil money. Taxes are not the only revenue for a government.

    As for the structure of the social security system, then that's not spelled out exactly in the Shariah, as far as I know. So that is where there is some room for a ruler to get creative and come up with a good system.

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by abdulsidd View Post
    Why wouldn't it exist? Even back then, everyone got a stipend. Its so much easier today with all the oil money. Taxes are not the only revenue for a government.

    As for the structure of the social security system, then that's not spelled out exactly in the Shariah, as far as I know. So that is where there is some room for a ruler to get creative and come up with a good system.
    Belgium has a system better then most other countries tbh

    A stipednd being a scholarship like?
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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    Belgium has a system better then most other countries tbh

    A stipednd being a scholarship like?
    A salary. Basically a monthly wage from the government. Not sure how much it would be, but even today, Saudi Arabia gives it to their citizens.

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by abdulsidd View Post
    Just a correction. The zakah is not 2.5% of 100%, but rather 2.5% of whatever a workman is able to save for 1 year. So much much less than 2.5% of 100%. However, there are other taxes that were applied, but I haven't studied that aspect of the Shariah or history, so I can't elaborate on those taxes.

    There is also sadaqah in general that Muslims are encouraged to give to the needy.

    As for what would happen in an Islamic State, then all the revenue (tax, war booty, etc.) goes into the bait ul-mal, or treasury. From there it is up to the ruler to figure out a system for distributing it for the needs of the people and government. During the Khilafah Rashidah (and even today in Saudia and other countries), there was a stipend for every citizen including children. If someone was still needy after that, then more was given to them from the treasury at the discretion of the ruler or a wealthy citizen would give them sadaqah.
    This is what I've read, like there was a stipend for the needy and even non-Muslims under protection through jizyah
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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
    This is what I've read, like there was a stipend for the needy and even non-Muslims under protection through jizyah
    so people pay taxes to the Islamic government, in return they get money back from the Islamic government that is actually more than what they pay in taxes. This money that the government gives away is created from where?

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    First of All Allah would bless us with rizq

    Second jihad and ghanima fei would give rizq
    During umar ibn abdul aziz khilafa may Allah have mercy upon him it is said that no one was poor so no one needed zakat

    Also everyone will pay zakat no tax evasion

    Also say what u want but we have seen that in syria/iraq there was free gas electricity water houses education transport and even glasses until the coalition airstrikes went crazy

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by abdulsidd View Post
    A salary. Basically a monthly wage from the government. Not sure how much it would be, but even today, Saudi Arabia gives it to their citizens.
    So everyone receives it, not just those in need?
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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    So everyone receives it, not just those in need?
    Even the khalifas were paid
    Abu bakr umar ra

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post
    Even the khalifas were paid
    Abu bakr umar ra
    With that 2.5% of someones savings? Imagine it would be €1200 a year one saved, €30 goes to the state, how is that enough to pay those individual people (of which many dont work and cant save but also some save more) a stipend, plus pay the khalif (and his assistents prolly)

    It makes little sense
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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    With that 2.5% of someones savings? Imagine it would be €1200 a year one saved, €30 goes to the state, how is that enough to pay those individual people (of which many dont work and cant save but also some save more) a stipend, plus pay the khalif (and his assistents prolly)

    It makes little sense

    I imagine without things like riba and corruption, there will be more profit from businesses etc, and there's also jizyah (tax on the kuffar) so not everything comes from zakah. Also, in an ideal Islamic state, there will probably be a more stable family life, so less need for children to be on benefits etc. As for retirement, I imagine that children will take care of their parents in their old age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juwairiyyah View Post
    I imagine without things like riba and corruption, there will be more profit from businesses etc, and there's also jizyah (tax on the kuffar) so not everything comes from zakah. Also, in an ideal Islamic state, there will probably be a more stable family life, so less need for children to be on benefits etc. As for retirement, I imagine that children will take care of their parents in their old age.
    Good point, but there would still be unemployment and sick people though, which would probably be reasonable to handle
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    This thread makes little economic or logical sense, You have very little money taken in by taxes, yet have expectations that the Islamic government gives out huge and costly benefits and even stipends that are many times more than the tax revenue taken in. And that does not count the coast of building and maintaining modern infrastructure. cost of army, and general cost of government. So your expectations are built around illusions.

    In one of the links above, one of the ways of the government spends is from war booty. This means the only way the government would work is to go to war, (how you are going to pay for all this army without taxes I don't know). attack other people and nations, take their property and wealth, and transfer it to Muslims. That sounds like what Isis tried to do or how the Spanish treated the Aztecs and Inca Empires. Not exactly highlights of civilization. Also not workable in today's world. Like Isis who tried this, the world to stands against you and your nation ends in bombs and explosions. Today's warfare is not people with swords on a horse and nations unite against such attacks.

    You take about oil revenue, but if you just depend upon oik revenue and spend that revenue on just benefits, you end up like Venezuela. You run out of other people's money and nation falls apart. one day you also run out of oil, what do you do then?
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    @Door correct. You need a stabile ground for this, you cant rely on sadaqah to give ppl stipends,

    Btw companies pay 35% to the govt here so thats also a huge amount of money the state would lose when an islamic state.

    We're talking about stipend here but what about maintaining roads, parks, where the trees and plants and grass need maintaining, how will we pay for that?

    Insurance is haram but how can we help ppl who have a big accident or get sick ant can't pay for the treatment, we need a medical plan too
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    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    Belgium has a system better then most other countries tbh

    A stipednd being a scholarship like?
    And what is their tax rate? What I have read they have the highest taxes in the western world on both national and local taxes. If you want big benefits from government, you need to pay huge tax amounts.
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    A salary. Basically a monthly wage from the government. Not sure how much it would be, but even today, Saudi Arabia gives it to their citizens.
    Most nations, do not have smaller population of Saudi Arabia and sitting on huge oil reserves. What was Saudi Arabia like before the discovery of this oil, and what do you think will happen when they run out of oil? If they stop selling oil, what will happen?
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    And what is their tax rate? What I have read they have the highest taxes in the western world on both national and local taxes. If you want big benefits from government, you need to pay huge tax amounts.
    Idk that i think the 13% is taxes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post

    Also say what u want but we have seen that in syria/iraq there was free gas electricity water houses education transport and even glasses until the coalition airstrikes went crazy
    Was that because that these benefits were paid for by taking houses from minority population, stealing other people's wealth and property and calling it war booty, attacking and capturing other nation's oil fields and selling that oil?

    This is a modern day example of what happens when you try to run and and establish a government around the idea of attack everyone and steal their property as war booty to fund your nation. The rest of the world says no, gets together, and ends your nation in bombs and explosions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Door View Post
    This thread makes little economic or logical sense, You have very little money taken in by taxes, yet have expectations that the Islamic government gives out huge and costly benefits and even stipends that are many times more than the tax revenue taken in. And that does not count the coast of building and maintaining modern infrastructure. cost of army, and general cost of government. So your expectations are built around illusions.

    In one of the links above, one of the ways of the government spends is from war booty. This means the only way the government would work is to go to war, (how you are going to pay for all this army without taxes I don't know). attack other people and nations, take their property and wealth, and transfer it to Muslims. That sounds like what Isis tried to do or how the Spanish treated the Aztecs and Inca Empires. Not exactly highlights of civilization. Also not workable in today's world. Like Isis who tried this, the world to stands against you and your nation ends in bombs and explosions. Today's warfare is not people with swords on a horse and nations unite against such attacks.

    You take about oil revenue, but if you just depend upon oik revenue and spend that revenue on just benefits, you end up like Venezuela. You run out of other people's money and nation falls apart. one day you also run out of oil, what do you do then?
    According to Islamic law, 25% of revenue from natural resources from the land should go to the Islamic government. So thats another way of funding the Islamic welfare state. I don't think tax is restricted to Zakat.
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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    Idk that i think the 13% is taxes
    Taxation in Belgium
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    In between €10,860 and €12,470 30%
    In between €12,470 and €20,780 40%
    In between €20,780 and €38,080 45%
    In excess of €38,080 50%

    http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens...m/index_en.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
    According to Islamic law, 25% of revenue from natural resources from the land should go to the Islamic government. So thats another way of funding the Islamic welfare state. I don't think tax is restricted to Zakat.
    This means pay of oil workers, oil engineers and other specialists make 25% less, and business profits are reduced by 25% if that money goes to government.. Could such business survive and compete? Then pay taxes if they can stay in business and pay taxes on profits and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Door View Post
    This means pay of oil workers, oil engineers and other specialists make 25% less, and business profits are reduced by 25% if that money goes to government.. Could such business survive and compete?
    Could government administration of that 25% be the solution, then, if that makes sense. Like 25% of the natural resources is owned by the Shariah instead of taxed. By the way, the natural resources are taken at 25% from whomever owns the land. But I suppose that means unowned land with natural resources are owned by the government.
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    And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice; indeed, the most disagreeable of sounds is the voice of donkeys."


    أَلَمْ تَرَوْا أَنَّ اللَّهَ سَخَّرَ لَكُم مَّا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَأَسْبَغَ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعَمَهُ ظَاهِرَةً وَبَاطِنَةً ۗ وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يُجَادِلُ فِي اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَلَا هُدًى وَلَا كِتَابٍ مُّنِيرٍ - 31:20

    Do you not see that Allah has made subject to you whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth and amply bestowed upon you His favors, [both] apparent and unapparent? But of the people is he who disputes about Allah without knowledge or guidance or an enlightening Book [from Him].


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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by Door View Post
    Taxation in Belgium
    Annual income Tax rate
    In between €10,860 and €12,470 30%
    In between €12,470 and €20,780 40%
    In between €20,780 and €38,080 45%
    In excess of €38,080 50%

    http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens...m/index_en.htm
    Usuallu they withhold that from yr salary, i never heared someone had to pay 10k, tho we pay taxes for car, taxes for house, taxes on work, maybe all that together idk
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    Quote Originally Posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
    Could government administration of that 25% be the solution, then, if that makes sense. Like 25% of the natural resources is owned by the Shariah instead of taxed. By the way, the natural resources are taken at 25% from whomever owns the land. But I suppose that means unowned land with natural resources are owned by the government.
    Then what do you do when the oil runs out, mine dries up, or you happen to live in a nation like japan with little natural resources in Islam? Most nations don't have huge oil reserves and such.

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    Re: Social security in an islamic state

    Quote Originally Posted by LailaTheMuslim View Post
    Could government administration of that 25% be the solution, then, if that makes sense. Like 25% of the natural resources is owned by the Shariah instead of taxed. By the way, the natural resources are taken at 25% from whomever owns the land. But I suppose that means unowned land with natural resources are owned by the government.
    Venezuela did something like that, not working out. Nation is falling apart and has the largest oil reserves in the world.

 

 

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