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    In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Is hijra compulsary.

    I mean not all wives can be teachers and nurses and of course due to fitna,should the couple do hijrah...to a land where a wife can be at home and husbands work is enough to survive..

    We see so many instances sisters say men dont do their job properly and they are forced to work

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    So how do yall afford to have hot meals twice a day
    By cooking a big pot and eating the same food twice

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by horizon View Post
    By cooking a big pot and eating the same food twice
    Seriously lol but thats more expensive id think, then eating 2 bread meals
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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    Seriously lol but thats more expensive id think, then eating 2 bread meals
    On a serious note, it probably also has to do with what your staple diet is. Rice/Roti is relatively cheap to buy/make and this is the staple diet of South Asians. Meat is also not consumed everyday, which may lessen the costs too.

    By comparison, what is the food that you eat most frequently?

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    So how do yall afford to have hot meals twice a day
    by marrying a guy who works and loves cooked food .. so he brings the ingredients and you cook and eat together.. win- win situation.

    I don't know why I felt I'm a man by saying this lol
    How merciful Allah on me by giving me respite,and I persist in my sins and Allah shields me

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by horizon View Post
    On a serious note, it probably also has to do with what your staple diet is. Rice/Roti is relatively cheap to buy/make and this is the staple diet of South Asians. Meat is also not consumed everyday, which may lessen the costs too.

    By comparison, what is the food that you eat most frequently?
    I eat bread for breakfast and lunch and dinner is warm neal (in the weekend lunch is warm meal and dinner is buns)

    Quote Originally Posted by myeverything View Post
    by marrying a guy who works and loves cooked food .. so he brings the ingredients and you cook and eat together.. win- win situation.

    I don't know why I felt I'm a man by saying this lol
    Haha i think id gain a lot of weight eating warm meals twice a day
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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    I eat bread for breakfast and lunch and dinner is warm neal (in the weekend lunch is warm meal and dinner is buns)

    ...

    Haha i think id gain a lot of weight eating warm meals twice a day
    Isn't bread fattening?

    I am guessing that most people (like yourself) eat just 1 hot meal a day. Maybe a "heavy" breakfast with porridge/oats, a light lunch (sandwich) and then "bring on the curry" at night.

    Going back to costs, I think the amount of meat consumed is the biggest reason food may cost more for some.

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by horizon View Post
    Isn't bread fattening?

    I am guessing that most people (like yourself) eat just 1 hot meal a day. Maybe a "heavy" breakfast with porridge/oats, a light lunch (sandwich) and then "bring on the curry" at night.

    Going back to costs, I think the amount of meat consumed is the biggest reason food may cost more for some.
    Idk actually i mean my bro for example would never want a vegetarian meal so i guess bread is better then
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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    Idk actually i mean my bro for example would never want a vegetarian meal so i guess bread is better then
    Not even pizzas/pastas?

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by horizon View Post
    Not even pizzas/pastas?
    Nopee lol hed prolly prefer bread over pizza too for lunch
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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    Nopee lol hed prolly prefer bread over pizza too for lunch
    My apologies for being a bit ignorant on your European culture, but when you say "bread", are you referring to something like this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baguette

    Or this:

    http://cookdiary.net/wp-content/uplo...Bread_2532.jpg

    Eaten plain (no butter, jam, peanut-butter, etc.) ? If yes, isn't that very dry to eat?

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by muzzybee View Post
    Is hijra compulsary.

    I mean not all wives can be teachers and nurses and of course due to fitna,should the couple do hijrah...to a land where a wife can be at home and husbands work is enough to survive..

    We see so many instances sisters say men dont do their job properly and they are forced to work
    Assalamu alaykom

    I'd say , if you can make hijra and it makes sense in your circumstance , then do it. There is a huge benefit in this way of living , for you , your wife and your children.

    I think it's incorrect to say men are not doing their job correctly but I can see why they would say that. It's not necessarily men though , its the societies we live. Working is not enough. It needs to be a good job. Minimum wage is only enough money for you. Unless you marry a sister who is doing tasbih / Quran all day and prefers no furnifure ( I'm not sure if they exist )

    Modern society in the west expects women to work. The whole economy is shaped by this reality. Imagine if women were prohibited from working in the west. Men could only work , and they also have to provide for their families. I assure you , that would entail a completely different economic reality.

    Where I live university loans are Haram - though the majority engage and promote their engaging. But one could still work skill trade jobs and make a decent wage. I think that is one way to avoid ribaa , and make enough money to provide in a major city.

    Hm

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by horizon View Post
    My apologies for being a bit ignorant on your European culture, but when you say "bread", are you referring to something like this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baguette

    Or this:

    http://cookdiary.net/wp-content/uplo...Bread_2532.jpg

    Eaten plain (no butter, jam, peanut-butter, etc.) ? If yes, isn't that very dry to eat?
    The baguette is what we would have on weekends

    We dont eat it dry we have stuff like this on the table

    https://goo.gl/images/hMBdu1
    https://goo.gl/images/nNtiQw

    And yea sliced bread during the week but we have better bread then the supermarket bread lol

    https://goo.gl/images/mxYT9g

    And jam, nutella and cookie spread is more of a thing for breakfast
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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by aynina View Post
    So how do yall afford to have hot meals twice a day
    Making soup or bigger rice dish etc. , which you eat twice, In sha'Allah.

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by muzzybee View Post
    Not all ,but generaly accepted women have to work to support high living costs.
    These are often by choice...

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by horizon View Post
    Hijra to where?

    There is no Caliphate or Islamic State to migrate to.
    thank you!
    exactly what I was going to ask

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by Ekoor View Post
    These are often by choice...
    Some u cant control like rent basic lifestyle choices

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by AmantuBillahi View Post
    Assalamu alaykom

    I'd say , if you can make hijra and it makes sense in your circumstance , then do it. There is a huge benefit in this way of living , for you , your wife and your children.

    I think it's incorrect to say men are not doing their job correctly but I can see why they would say that. It's not necessarily men though , its the societies we live. Working is not enough. It needs to be a good job. Minimum wage is only enough money for you. Unless you marry a sister who is doing tasbih / Quran all day and prefers no furnifure ( I'm not sure if they exist )

    Modern society in the west expects women to work. The whole economy is shaped by this reality. Imagine if women were prohibited from working in the west. Men could only work , and they also have to provide for their families. I assure you , that would entail a completely different economic reality.

    Where I live university loans are Haram - though the majority engage and promote their engaging. But one could still work skill trade jobs and make a decent wage. I think that is one way to avoid ribaa , and make enough money to provide in a major city.

    Hm
    True ,but you need to have people who share simalar views to survive in an area like this

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by myeverything View Post
    by marrying a guy who works and loves cooked food .. so he brings the ingredients and you cook and eat together.. win- win situation.

    I don't know why I felt I'm a man by saying this lol
    See can you blame a guy then ..

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by muzzybee View Post
    Some u cant control like rent basic lifestyle choices
    paying no... where you live and what is costs to live there... yes

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Hijra is compulsory on every muslim anyway

    Allah SWT says:

    إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَوَفّٰىهُمُ الْمَلٰٓئِكَةُ ظَالِمِىٓ أَنْفُسِهِمْ قَالُوا فِيمَ كُنْتُمْ ۖ قَالُوا كُنَّا مُسْتَضْعَفِينَ فِى الْأَرْضِ ۚ قَالُوٓا أَلَمْ تَكُنْ أَرْضُ اللَّهِ وٰسِعَةً فَتُهَاجِرُوا فِيهَا ۚ فَأُولٰٓئِكَ مَأْوٰىهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ ۖ وَسَآءَتْ مَصِيرًا
    "Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, In what [condition] were you? They will say, We were oppressed in the land. The angels will say, Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein? For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination."
    (QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 97)

    Its a requirment for muslims to move from a land of kufr to a land of Islam

    And to the people that say there is no land of Islam

    The prophet said hijra will never end until repentence ends and repentence will not end until the sun rises from the west to the east

    (Sign of judgment day being close at that time)

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post
    Hijra is compulsory on every muslim anyway

    Allah SWT says:

    إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَوَفّٰىهُمُ الْمَلٰٓئِكَةُ ظَالِمِىٓ أَنْفُسِهِمْ قَالُوا فِيمَ كُنْتُمْ ۖ قَالُوا كُنَّا مُسْتَضْعَفِينَ فِى الْأَرْضِ ۚ قَالُوٓا أَلَمْ تَكُنْ أَرْضُ اللَّهِ وٰسِعَةً فَتُهَاجِرُوا فِيهَا ۚ فَأُولٰٓئِكَ مَأْوٰىهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ ۖ وَسَآءَتْ مَصِيرًا
    "Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, In what [condition] were you? They will say, We were oppressed in the land. The angels will say, Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein? For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination."
    (QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 97)

    Its a requirment for muslims to move from a land of kufr to a land of Islam

    And to the people that say there is no land of Islam

    The prophet said hijra will never end until repentence ends and repentence will not end until the sun rises from the west to the east

    (Sign of judgment day being close at that time)
    So what is this land of Islam where you won't get oppressed as the angels aren't asking about Did you live in a muslim country they're asking you why you didn't emigrate.

    Hard to find a muslim country that average people(ie not filthy rich) can immigrate to and not be oppressed.

    The fact that muslims are being oppressed in muslim lands is THE major reasons that millions are leaving and millions more are hoping to leave soon.

    In an ideal world all muslims would live in under just rulers in muslim lands but in the REAL world that situation doesn't exist in our time.

    Furthermore the majority of muslim countries don't allow immigration except if your rich or arab,even then some don't allow it.

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post
    Hijra is compulsory on every muslim anyway

    Allah SWT says:

    إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَوَفّٰىهُمُ الْمَلٰٓئِكَةُ ظَالِمِىٓ أَنْفُسِهِمْ قَالُوا فِيمَ كُنْتُمْ ۖ قَالُوا كُنَّا مُسْتَضْعَفِينَ فِى الْأَرْضِ ۚ قَالُوٓا أَلَمْ تَكُنْ أَرْضُ اللَّهِ وٰسِعَةً فَتُهَاجِرُوا فِيهَا ۚ فَأُولٰٓئِكَ مَأْوٰىهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ ۖ وَسَآءَتْ مَصِيرًا
    "Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, In what [condition] were you? They will say, We were oppressed in the land. The angels will say, Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein? For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination."
    (QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 97)

    Its a requirment for muslims to move from a land of kufr to a land of Islam

    And to the people that say there is no land of Islam

    The prophet said hijra will never end until repentence ends and repentence will not end until the sun rises from the west to the east


    (Sign of judgment day being close at that time)
    what does this sentence mean ?
    Hijra can be made to a better muslim area right ?

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by AmantuBillahi View Post
    Assalamu alaykom

    I'd say , if you can make hijra and it makes sense in your circumstance , then do it. There is a huge benefit in this way of living , for you , your wife and your children.

    I think it's incorrect to say men are not doing their job correctly but I can see why they would say that. It's not necessarily men though , its the societies we live. Working is not enough. It needs to be a good job. Minimum wage is only enough money for you. Unless you marry a sister who is doing tasbih / Quran all day and prefers no furnifure ( I'm not sure if they exist )

    Modern society in the west expects women to work. The whole economy is shaped by this reality. Imagine if women were prohibited from working in the west. Men could only work , and they also have to provide for their families. I assure you , that would entail a completely different economic reality.

    Where I live university loans are Haram - though the majority engage and promote their engaging. But one could still work skill trade jobs and make a decent wage. I think that is one way to avoid ribaa , and make enough money to provide in a major city.

    Hm
    yep good point

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Quote Originally Posted by muzzybee View Post
    what does this sentence mean ?
    Hijra can be made to a better muslim area right ?
    Yes but if theres a land that practises sharia fully and is guarded by muslims that counts as darul islam and hijra should then be made there
    Eg from abasynia muslims went to medina
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