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    Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

    This post will outline the first story in the God of Abraham narrative, and how many religious authorities in all schools are providing a false reading.

    Before I outline this, I must offer a similitude that will lay the framework for why this story is the most important story in all of scripture. Indeed; it is only a proper understanding of this story which will provide the proper foundation through which to contemplate the rest of the narrative; beginning with Adam pbuh to Muhammad pbuh.

    If one is to imagine a high school course such as mathematics; it is essential that the student understand the preliminary concepts prior to engaging in any exercises that are more complex further into the course. For example, one must understand the operations of multiplication/division in order to work with more complex operations. As such, this narrative is an essential lesson that must be understood in its totality in order to provide the proper lens through which to reflect and contemplate on the rest of the narrative. As we do this, please consider the following statement from Albert Einstein:

    Religion without science is lame; science without religion is blind. -Einstein

    I use this word equation because (like his mathematics) it is in perfect balance.

    The Creation Account

    I will temporarily bring this up to make one point; the creation account as per Genesis is consistent with evolution; it outlines the natural progression of biological life in distinct "time periods". Those who translate the original manuscripts as "day" (Hebrew: يوم)are using a poor translation; the word used to describe these time periods "yawm" can have many meanings; from one 24-hour period to any arbitrary length of time. The latter is indicated.

    It is outlined that all life began as foliage, then marine life (as per the evolution account, all life began in the ocean) then land life including humans (marine life evolved into land life). As per the theory of evolution (a theory is an assertion based on facts), the Genesis account of creation is entirely consistent with our working theory. As such, if we recall back to Einstein, indeed it is prudent to understand that Adam pbuh and Eve pbuh were not created as humans from the start; they evolved from more primitive hominids. As such there was no "first human" as many religious authorities would have people believe. To believe this is the case is "blind", as Einstein would have put it.

    Adam pbuh and Eve pbuh

    (For ease of typing I wish peace upon Adam and Eve henceforth on every mention of them)

    God "raises" Adam from the clay and breathes the breath of life (holy spirit) into him through his nostrils. This is yet consistent with evolution; our bodies are the exact same constituents as the "clay" of the earth and, indeed, the main constituents which comprise the majority of all matter in the cosmos (hydrogen, carbon etc.) As such, the creation account is correct.

    Now God puts Adam to "sleep" and derives Eve from his own rib. This is extremely important; Eve was not made of the clay like Adam was, but derived from Adam. Adam refers to "matter", whereas Eve refers to "desire/energy". As such they are intertwined; they can not be separate things. Einstein provided the equation thus; E(energy)=M(matter)C(speed of light)^2. Energy and matter (as science has proven beyond a doubt) are the same phenomena. As such, this is why Eve was "derived" from Adam; they are not separate, but of the same essence. Were it not so, God would have fashioned Eve from the "clay" as He did Adam, but he did not. This point is extremely important to understand.

    Now they are dwelling in the Garden of Eden with God; they are naked and know not shame, they know not what nakedness is, they know not good and evil, and they are in perfect harmony with all of creation.

    Now God said unto Adam that he may freely eat from any tree he so wishes. This is the first point of "guidance" to humanity; God is instructing human beings to openly pursue any "fruit" and freely eat from it. This is necessary for life itself; perhaps you choose to be an architect, painter, musician, historian, scientist etc. It is not the "content" which matters here; God said you can eat from any tree; but rather the context. This is why the story of Cain and Abel follows; Abel produces abundance (first of flock) whereas Cain produced an offering from the ground which has no inherent value.

    Now God said unto Adam that he may not eat from the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil; for he will surely die. God does not provide any further details on what this tree is meant to represent, neither does He provide any cautionary advice on how to avoid this in the first place. Now here many religious authorities teach people that Adam and Eve committed an act of "disobedience" by eating from the tree; but indeed this is false, for which I will explain momentarily.

    Let's stop here; if you would allow me to offer a similitude on what has transpired so far. If we are to treat God as a father who is telling his children "do not touch fire, it will burn you" but the children know not what fire is, or what burning is, or what shame/nakedness is etc. then what is actually preventing them from doing this? In order to know that fire burns, you must touch fire and directly experience the sensation of burning in order to know why not to touch it in the first place. If a child burns his/her hand, he/she derives proper lesson as to why not to touch it in the first place. If we are to be honest for a moment; the best way to have a child do something is to tell them not to do it. The moment the father (God) turns their back, the children will do exactly that.

    Now let us return to the narrative; we have two commandments (if you will) issued by God: eat from any tree, and avoid the tree of good and evil. But now the serpent enters.

    Here is the biggest deception that has been perpetrated by mainstream religious authorities; they label the serpent as Satan/Iblis in disguise and declare the serpent "evil". But what did God just command? God commanded that you must not eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil because it causes death, and the very next thing that happens is a disregard of this warning by labeling the serpent "evil". This is the most important blunder that occurs in this narrative.

    God is the creator of all things; good and evil. God is, as such, neutral. The serpent (if one heeds God's warning) is also neutral. When the serpent enters, he uses "subtlety" to engage Eve (desire): "did God say you can not eat from ANY tree in the Garden?". Let's pay attention to how the serpent is engaging Eve; the serpent knows very well that God allowed Adam and Eve to eat from any tree, but he asks an ill-posed question on purpose to engage Eve (desire) which requires a correction. Eve corrects: "we are allowed to eat from any tree, save for the knowledge of good and evil, for we will surely die". Now the serpent says: "surely you will not die; for God knows, if you eat from the tree you shall become like God, to know good and evil.

    So this creates a dilemma; on the one hand, God is forbidding this tree without explaining what it is. On the other, the serpent is inviting one to eat from it in order that they may become "like" God; to know good and evil. Now Eve (desire) lets her sense organs control her: she thought it desirable to become wise, and saw the fruit was good for food. She ate, Adam ate, and their eyes were "opened".

    If we were to return to the fire similitude; eating from the tree is the same as putting your hand in the fire. To experience the pain associated with it (learn why not to touch/eat it) is to have ones own "eyes opened". This is the "fall of man" predicament.

    Now Adam and Eve represent every single human being; the "fall" is, by design, absolutely essential. One must know how something causes harm in order to avoid it in the first place. This is how learning occurs; to ride a bike and fall and cut your knee is a part of the learning process itself. God knows this. As such, Adam and Eve were NOT disobedient; the "disobedience" comes later which I will explain momentarily.

    Now when their eyes were "opened", they realized the reason why the tree was forbidden; it causes death. It is as such they felt shame and covered their "nakedness" and hid from God. We must remember; they are still in the Garden of Eden with God at this point. Now God was "walking in the cool of the day" when he called unto Adam, who was in hiding. When asked why he was hiding, Adam declared that he was afraid for fear of "nakedness". God asks Adam: "who told you that you were naked?" and Adam begins to blame Eve (desire) on his eating of the fruit.

    This is why in Islam, the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is referred to as the Tree of Worldly Desires. It is a different way of perceiving it, but essentially the same.

    Now they are expelled from the Garden that they must suffer the pains of life in the flesh.

    The Moral of the Story

    Knowledge of "good" and "evil" causes death. If you are an individual that thinks you "know" good from evil, you are essentially putting your hand in the fire and burning your own self (death). If you understand the lesson as to why not to eat from this tree, which is what God intends for you to learn, that is how you become "like" God, to "know" good and evil. However, the only lesson one can learn about good and evil is to stop trying to understand it, which makes you "like" God. It is like a riddle; you must fall of the bike and hurt yourself in order to learn how to ride properly. Likewise, you must eat from the tree in order to know why not to eat from it in the first place. It is those who heed God's warning who become "like" God.

    Additional Notes

    Now eating from this tree is not inherently "bad"; indeed, it is necessary. You can't learn to ride a bike by not riding a bike at all. Eating from this tree is completely necessary and NOT disobedience. The only disobedience that can be derived is if you continue to eat from it without learning why not to eat from it. This is the cause of ALL death/suffering. This is the disobedience; to think you know good and evil. The moment you point your finger outside of yourself and say "x is inherently good" or "y is inherently evil", you only invite death upon you. This is why religion is (actually) the cause of most human suffering in the world; they hold the most "currency" on so-called knowledge of what is good and what is evil.

    Now thinking you know good from evil is a trap; it causes death. It is but a mere illusion that becomes the cause of your own death and suffering. This is why God sad: "lest man live forever" in his own self-imposed ignorance, the flaming sword was placed about the tree of life. As such, "death" is simply the ending of what would otherwise be a perpetual state of ignorance. So eating from this tree without deriving lesson as to why not to eat from it in the first place is effectively perpetuating the cycle of birth and death. When you realize that good and evil belong to God, and only to God, and focus on your own inner selves independent on what you personally think is good and evil, this is to end the cycle of birth and death and become "like" God; immortality.

    Now this analysis creates a much more defined lens through which to perceive the rest of creation. Your own internal "knowledge" of "good" and "evil" is your own death sentence. As such, life is like a slow-acting poison. Whether you like it or not, you are slowly dying and getting closer and closer to the grave. God specifically instructs all of humanity that the reason this happens is because you think you know good and evil, but you do not. Death is, as such, is your own doing.

    When one temporarily perceives this same concept *outside* of the God of Abraham narrative, and looks for input from other cultures which do not employ the God of Abraham narrative, in Hinduism (for example) this same "ending the cycle of birth and death" is identical to understanding that one must leave knowledge of good and evil into the hands of the creator, and dare not touch it themselves. It is details like these which should be uniting humanity rather than continuing to divide humanity.

    Where is the problem then? Why are we on this planet full of perpetual oppression, suffering, divisiveness etc? It is religious authorities and modified scriptures which are teachings people who the "enemy" is. There is no enemy. The only enemy you perceive is the enemy you perceive based on your own internal "pseudo-understanding" of good and evil; as dictated by your authorities. Indeed; if one is to read various English translations of the Qur'an, this hatred and divisiveness and slowly infiltrated the scriptures and making people think Jews are the problem, or unbelievers are the problem, or the West is the problem. It is all deception; creation is always in perfect balance. The only imbalance is within ourselves. This is why I have been trying to remind people that peace is an internal state of being. If you understand this first lesson in all of scripture, internal peace is a natural consequence. If you create the necessary balance within yourself, then peace is simply your natural state of being. It is the authorities which are teaching hatred and divisiveness as they only mean to perpetuate their own inner conflict and spill it into the physical existence. They are not part of the solution; they are part of the problem.

    The entire God of Abraham narrative is a beautiful narrative that outlines, in explicit detail, what happens when you do not understand/follow these fundamental teachings. Beginning with Adam pbuh and ending with Muhammad pbuh, God has sufficiently provided a sort of lexicon of the human predicament. Additionally; God has provided humanity with 1400 years of post-Muhammad pbuh humanity to demonstrate to those pure in heart how Islam itself has become corrupt. Muhammad pbuh himself knew Islam would become divided over time; and we have 1400 years of human history to see this. The Sunni/Shia split which resulted from eating from the tree of Worldly Desires continues to this day and has no end in sight. Surely, this is a sign unto humanity; Muhammad pbuh left no explicit leadership (unless your heads gets sucked into the Hadiths which are all inventions of men) for this very reason; the lesson must be there intact for all of humanity to see. Indeed, this is why Muhammad pbuh must be, by necessity, an illiterate man to demonstrate as an example unto humanity why illiteracy leads to chaos; it's just that religious authorities have elevated Muhammad pbuh to such a status that people are missing the bigger picture. If they simply read the narrative, beginning to end, with no other materials (Hadiths), without other people's opinions, and read it neutrally without thinking this or that about "good" and "evil"; without buying into the "best example for humanity" nonsense that the religious authorities have attributed to him, then the lesson becomes crystal clear.

    Finally,

    When Isa Ibn Maryam pbuh was asked "Please good man, how to get into the Kingdom of Heaven?" Here Isa pbuh corrects the questioner saying "Why call me good?"; in direct reference to the first story. He then declared: "when you learn to strip yourselves into the nakedness from which you came, and walk willingly into the sights of Allah, and say unto Allah "here I am" with no shame or fear of nakedness; you will find it."

    It is my wish and my blessing that every human being on the planet discovers their own inner peace and balance, and as they seek guidance from Allah, may Allah continue to raise the energy on this planet such that those who follow the "authorities" witness for themselves the hypocrisy spilling out of their mouths; that we may have peace not only within ourselves, but as with Adam pbuh and Eve pbuh, return to the Garden with no shame of our nakedness and declare unto Allah: we have learned our lesson, and we ask for forgiveness.

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    Re: Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

    @admin @moderators @-Yassar @Fais @.Hajar. @Abu 'Abdullaah @Jenicca @samin62 @علي @Meriadoc @Darul Ilm @device @sajid

    kindly transfer this thread to the comparative religion

    It does not deserve to be in the General Islamic topics as the narration is not as per the glorious Quran.
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    Re: Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    @admin @moderators @-Yassar @Fais @.Hajar. @Abu 'Abdullaah @Jenicca @samin62 @علي @Meriadoc @Darul Ilm @device @sajid

    kindly transfer this thread to the comparative religion

    It does not deserve to be in the General Islamic topics as the narration is not as per the glorious Quran.
    whats with this guy anyway ?
    "arm yourself with knowledge and laugh at the accusers"
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    Re: Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by magok View Post
    whats with this guy anyway ?
    Allahu alam, claims he is a believer but says hadith are of no use and we have to sacrifice to bring back christ and cries for muslim ummah failures and anarchy ,lol.
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    Re: Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    Allahu alam, claims he is a believer but says hadith are of no use and we have to sacrifice to bring back christ and cries for muslim ummah failures and anarchy ,lol.
    maybe he is a quranist
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