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    Umra 1438

    Ministry of Haj has activated the prcessing of MOFAs for the new season as of 16 September this year.

    Agents who held umra contract last year will be able to start processing mofas, on their previous year's contract, immediately as long as their Saudi Peers activates their login system forthwith. For example if an agent A is active today, he can scan your passport and acquire mofa within 24 hours and submit your passport for visa to the saudi consulate on the next working day and get back the passport the next day enabling you to fly off immediately you get the passport back.

    ALL new entrants will pay just the mofa charges. Thereafter, any repeaters will pay SR2000 visa fee.

    Different Umra Companies have different policy on the length of your stay once you arrive in KSA. Normally it is for a maximum of 15 days depending on the umra company's resources of hotels but can be up to 30 days. The mofa charges will reflect the number of days allowed to you to stay.

    Lots of pilgrims, from UK, choose a DIY package. Please take care as not all umra agents will oblige you with a visa only because you have engineered your own package. Those who do oblige will have their own mofa charges to cover their cost as you bypass their package.

    Airline fares may vary and, if you are not careful, are often non changeable and non refundable especially if you get an online air fare instead of getting through ticketing agents.

    From the month of 1st Safar 1438AH new contracts will set in and a quota of 5000 per contracted licensed agent will apply as a ceiling. Popular umra agents will definitely run out of their quota pretty soon with the consequence of higher mofa charges.

    I suspect mofas may cost around £100 each at least.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Quote Originally Posted by Ismail Simjee View Post

    Different Umra Companies have different policy on the length of your stay once you arrive in KSA. Normally it is for a maximum of 15 days depending on the umra company's resources of hotels but can be up to 30 days. The mofa charges will reflect the number of days allowed to you to stay..
    Ismail Mota. So if one was to do a DIY umrah, how can they find out before booking the flights/hotels - if they can apply for a visa longer than 15 days?

    JKL

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    Talk to the agent concerned, simple ya Yousuf.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    New Rule on Umra Visitors being introduced this year is on internal transfers.

    Nothing has been mentioned about the charges but pilgrims will have to travel on government supplied coaches, same as they do for Hajj, from Jeddah to Makkah or Madinah and vise versa.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    I have booked an Umrah Trip for my family with private transport arranged via my agent. Does this mean I have to use the KSA Coaches instead.

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    The government simply issued a directive without clarifications and charges. As umra visits are not subjected to the way Haj visits are, I can only speculate that it is an additional cost to be forked out by pilgrims who may than have the prerogative to still choose private means of transfer instead of exercising their right to ride on the coaches paid for already.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Quote Originally Posted by Ismail Simjee View Post
    The government simply issued a directive without clarifications and charges. As umra visits are not subjected to the way Haj visits are, I can only speculate that it is an additional cost to be forked out by pilgrims who may than have the prerogative to still choose private means of transfer instead of exercising their right to ride on the coaches paid for already.

    I'm confused please ellaborate

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    I think it's like the way Hajj fees were in the past where they'd charge you when you got your Hajj visas for the coach transfers during Hajj but then you could take private taxis to Hajj sites like Mina, Arafat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kabir75 View Post
    I think it's like the way Hajj fees were in the past where they'd charge you when you got your Hajj visas for the coach transfers during Hajj but then you could take private taxis to Hajj sites like Mina, Arafat.
    There never was a time when you could take private transport to mina camps or arafat in a taxi.

    There has been further bad news since I posted the message about transport.

    A VAT charge will be applied to all hotel or apartemnt bookings and a charge to cover insurance too. As no hard facts are available, the speculation is at least £45 extra to be hiked up to the mofa charges.

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    Ismail bhai,
    1) Prior to this new VAT and Transportation items, in the OP you mentioned a guess of about 100 pounds for the MOFA. What was MOFA last year in non-Ramadan for comparison? Were you saying the 100 pounds is more than last year or the same? (I'm in the US so dont have a reference for the 100 pounds MOFA).

    2) For the Hotel VAT, is it to be paid/collected with the MOFA fee or is that something the individual Hotels will collect (Im a DIY'er)? Or (Allah forbid) both will collect?

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    I'm all for the Saudi's to make extra income and can understand why they are doing this but they also need to spend their resources on regulating the taxi industry much better. Last year we booked a taxi and before we set off to Medina the taxi driver goes if we get stopped tell them we are related and it's a private trip to Medina. The alarm bells started to ring and we couldn't even confirm if he had a license. Hopefully this will be a safer option for pilgrims if it's a well run service with decent coaches.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Quote Originally Posted by lazy View Post
    Ismail bhai,
    1) Prior to this new VAT and Transportation items, in the OP you mentioned a guess of about 100 pounds for the MOFA. What was MOFA last year in non-Ramadan for comparison? Were you saying the 100 pounds is more than last year or the same? (I'm in the US so dont have a reference for the 100 pounds MOFA).

    2) For the Hotel VAT, is it to be paid/collected with the MOFA fee or is that something the individual Hotels will collect (Im a DIY'er)? Or (Allah forbid) both will collect?
    Mofa is intended to supplement a licensed agent's package. The MoH never intended that agents sell mofas only which allows pilgrims to conjure up their own DIY package. It is, in fact, against the law to sell mofa only.

    Having said that, UK is the only country where this practise is rampant and which sooner or later will be shut down. Until then, the mofa sells at a varying rate depending on who is selling it and where in Uk or, in your case in USA, under what circumstances. That drives the price. My earlier post speculating the rate at around £100 excluded the new charges introduced in the last 48 hours and some more on the horizon.

    To answer the other post:

    I am myself at loss now as to what the rate will be eventually. Like you, I wait.
    The VAT charges apply uniformly on all those offering accommodations for pilgrims. That sum will be applied at the point of Mofa generating mechanism and not individually.

    Taxi service is licensed but cannot be monitored closely due to lack of resources. Hence, expatriates offer this service but without a license and often rely on trust of their passengers to cover them in case they get stopped by the "Maroor" or traffic cops or even immigration "jawazaat". You encountered this one first hand.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Quote Originally Posted by Ismail Simjee View Post
    Ministry of Haj has activated the prcessing of MOFAs for the new season as of 16 September this year.

    Agents who held umra contract last year will be able to start processing mofas, on their previous year's contract, immediately as long as their Saudi Peers activates their login system forthwith. For example if an agent A is active today, he can scan your passport and acquire mofa within 24 hours and submit your passport for visa to the saudi consulate on the next working day and get back the passport the next day enabling you to fly off immediately you get the passport back.

    ALL new entrants will pay just the mofa charges. Thereafter, any repeaters will pay SR2000 visa fee.

    Different Umra Companies have different policy on the length of your stay once you arrive in KSA. Normally it is for a maximum of 15 days depending on the umra company's resources of hotels but can be up to 30 days. The mofa charges will reflect the number of days allowed to you to stay.

    Lots of pilgrims, from UK, choose a DIY package. Please take care as not all umra agents will oblige you with a visa only because you have engineered your own package. Those who do oblige will have their own mofa charges to cover their cost as you bypass their package.

    Airline fares may vary and, if you are not careful, are often non changeable and non refundable especially if you get an online air fare instead of getting through ticketing agents.

    From the month of 1st Safar 1438AH new contracts will set in and a quota of 5000 per contracted licensed agent will apply as a ceiling. Popular umra agents will definitely run out of their quota pretty soon with the consequence of higher mofa charges.

    I suspect mofas may cost around £100 each at least.
    So is the repeaters fee of SR2000 relative to 1/each Hijri year???

    so if I went in 1437 and would like to go in 1438 i will not be charged the extra SR2000??

    JZK

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    So is the repeaters fee of SR2000 relative to 1/each Hijri year???

    so if I went in 1437 and would like to go in 1438 i will not be charged the extra SR2000??


    Yes, correct.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Quote Originally Posted by Ismail Simjee View Post
    So is the repeaters fee of SR2000 relative to 1/each Hijri year???

    so if I went in 1437 and would like to go in 1438 i will not be charged the extra SR2000??


    Yes, correct.
    Jazakallah Khayr

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Anyone here used the Sightseeing bus in Madinah ? Is a must do or must miss ?

    Also anyone have an idea when the train connecting Makkah to Madinah will start ?

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Salaam

    I read this on an agents FB Page

    The first transfer from the airport to your hotel of stay must be booked through an approved Ministry of Hajj agent.
    Does this mean you can no longer grab a taxi?

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Quote Originally Posted by you5uf View Post
    Salaam

    I read this on an agents FB Page



    Does this mean you can no longer grab a taxi?
    Can you send me the link to that please.

    And, no, you can still get your own transport until the proposed "naqaba" policy kicks in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ismail Simjee View Post
    Can you send me the link to that please.

    And, no, you can still get your own transport until the proposed "naqaba" policy kicks in.
    It was actually an email from Al-Hidaayah Travel. If you PM me your email address, i'll fwd

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Quote Originally Posted by Deenie Man View Post
    Anyone here used the Sightseeing bus in Madinah ? Is a must do or must miss ?

    Also anyone have an idea when the train connecting Makkah to Madinah will start ?
    http://www.arabnews.com/node/1172891/saudi-arabia

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    Re: Umra 1438

    When they say Q1 I hope they mean before March

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but I presume you are talking here about Umrah 1439, not 1438. I.E Umrah season spanning across end of 2017 until Ramadhan 2018. Just to avoid confusion, can you please clarify. Jazakallah Khair.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Quote Originally Posted by shoaibd View Post
    Jazakallah Khayr
    Shoaib bhai,
    That was true when answered then.

    Yesterday's news is if you went last year for Umrah (1438) and want to go this year (1439), then there is a SR 2000 repeater fee to pay.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Quote Originally Posted by Ismail Simjee View Post
    The government simply issued a directive without clarifications and charges. As umra visits are not subjected to the way Haj visits are, I can only speculate that it is an additional cost to be forked out by pilgrims who may than have the prerogative to still choose private means of transfer instead of exercising their right to ride on the coaches paid for already.
    anyupdate on this?
    I am looking to determine my transportation options from Jeddah airport (Saudi Airlines terminal) to Makkah Millennium Tower hotels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazy View Post
    anyupdate on this?
    I am looking to determine my transportation options from Jeddah airport (Saudi Airlines terminal) to Makkah Millennium Tower hotels.
    Thankfully, not implemented as yet.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    I have heard something about biometric registration for hajj and umrah visas in Pakistan from 30/10. Is there any truth in it and would it be also implemented for UK? Coming to London for biometric would be a pain for people living up north .

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Finger printing and Iris image capture has been on the card a long time now. It was tested in Germany already and is in use in Italy currently. Given the low volume of pilgrimage traffic, The Saudis are using Milan and Rome for that whcih, though cumbersome, is sufficient.
    It is coming this way folks and is not a matter of "IF" but rather "WHEN". Its a shared view of some of us in this trade to believe we will have at least 3 centres, if not four, for UK where the pilgrims will have to physically travel and get the process done.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    It is now proving increasingly difficult to perform pilgrimage to Harmain. First the escalating price, then the 2000 riyal ‘fine’ for repeaters, then the new rules for transportation in Saudi and now the requirement to physically visit counsaltes to get visa are sufficient to put many people off. The Vision 2030 programme persued by the crown prince is clearly now turning into nightmare 2030!

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Sorry to correct you Dr Rameez, but only authorised agents are allowed to visit the consulates. If you are referring to the finger printing process than that will not be handled by the consulate. It will be private specialists contracted by the Saudi consulate.

    In UK, I think there will be centres in London and Manchester definitely with possibility of having one in Birmingham and in Glasgow or Edinburgh.

    And it is not a "fine" for repeaters. Its simply a hefty visa fee for repeaters.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    its a levy.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    That's funny as my father calls it a jurmana - fine/penalty - as well
    Yes, I get it, technically it's a fee and their right to charge it ...

    So any insider rumblings if there is a chance this will be rescinded/modified as it was last year when it 'first' came out and was modified/lowered/made-less-applicable to people/repeaters?

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    We can sugar coat it many ways at the end of the day we are fined for being the guest of Allah. We only attend when the call is accepted by Allah for his slave to perform the pilgrimage. I went Pakistan last December and on the way did Umrah.

    This year we decided to take our children to increase their love for the deen and have been saving all year only to be told by the saudi's I'm not welcome. I can afford to pay the 'fine' but it's the principle which is wrong especially the change at short notice.

    Not sure how much this will make them factoring into consideration some people will decide not to go this will offset any revenue they will receive. It will probably change again next year. Maybe a small cut in the defence budget or reduction in the extravagant spending of the royal family might help?

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Quote Originally Posted by ilegal-imigrant View Post
    We can sugar coat it many ways at the end of the day we are fined for being the guest of Allah. We only attend when the call is accepted by Allah for his slave to perform the pilgrimage. I went Pakistan last December and on the way did Umrah.

    This year we decided to take our children to increase their love for the deen and have been saving all year only to be told by the saudi's I'm not welcome. I can afford to pay the 'fine' but it's the principle which is wrong especially the change at short notice.

    Not sure how much this will make them factoring into consideration some people will decide not to go this will offset any revenue they will receive. It will probably change again next year. Maybe a small cut in the defence budget or reduction in the extravagant spending of the royal family might help?
    Yes I've heard its quite the short notice for the implementation. But to me I kind of take it as ok, even though I find it still a bit too expensive. Anyway they did announcements earlier anyway just not yet implementation.
    But these are repeaters anyway. If they can afford to go again, might as well the extra fees. (I guess that's the idea)

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Assalamu alaikum, has anyone recently flown with British Airways. How is the service, the Airplane and general arrival and departure times?. I'm due to land at 7.00am in Jeddah and then have connection to Madinah with FlyNas at 11.15 Insha-Allah.

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    I was merely thinking this 'could' be a different thread, but then had a follow-up question and am now a 'hypocrite' Astaghfirullah

    So how much was the FlyNas ticket from JED to MED?
    I'd assume MED to JED is the same.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Quote Originally Posted by lazy View Post
    I was merely thinking this 'could' be a different thread, but then had a follow-up question and am now a 'hypocrite' Astaghfirullah

    So how much was the FlyNas ticket from JED to MED?
    I'd assume MED to JED is the same.
    It was 368 Riyals for 2 adults & 1 child which at current exchange rate comes to around £75. Saudia for same journey would be £129.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Quote Originally Posted by lazy View Post
    Shoaib bhai,
    That was true when answered then.

    Yesterday's news is if you went last year for Umrah (1438) and want to go this year (1439), then there is a SR 2000 repeater fee to pay.
    So just to clarify, ALL repeaters irrespective of Hajj/umrah & period of travel will be charged the extra SR 2000??

    If so, its a shame.

    I understand charges, taxs etc and appreciate offloading some cost to the travellers & support some kind of payment as nothing is free but an extra £400 bucks pp, like really!!!

    Looks like they are running out of money very fast, whilst pilgrims left to foot the bill when the "rest" enjoy a discounted rate of oil!!!

    say no more...

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    Re: Umra 1438

    There is a charge of SR2000 to be paid on top of the mofa fee levied through licensed agents who organise your umra package completely, partially or just the visa on its own, for those who has performed an umra in the islamic calender of 1438AH. If you have not done an umra, in 1438, than there is no visa fee regardless of whether you had performed a haj before.

    For Haj, you have to pay extra SR2000 regardless of "when" you had performed your haj before.

    I will not discuss the politics of why this levy.

    What I would point out to those who feel pinched by such fee is to think. Especially if you have been to the two harmains. Just consider the number of employees, from management such as Shaikh A R Sudais, to the number of Imams, Moazzens, Police, security, mutawas, cleaners - male and females servicing the two harmains.
    Then consider the control of logistics from remote offices through thousands of CCTV cameras and traffic management through thousands of police patrolling on foot, cars and helicopters.
    Then consider the use of electricity in keeping the harmains flood lighted and cooled through thousands of fans and air conditioning pumped in from locations away from the harmains.
    Then consider the paramedics.
    Then consider the clinics and hospitals which are free for pilgrims and no expense is withheld if top level treatment is to be carried out down to free prescription and dispensation of medicine.
    When you are inside the harmains, and have time on hand, try counting the number of lights with or without chandeliers.
    Not to forget the carpets, their cleansing. The round the clock washing of mataaf and the rest of the masajids.
    The free supply of drinking water.
    The free facility of WCs.
    The management of all Meeqat points and their costs.

    I think SR2000 is a good value for money if you have the resource to perform a repeat Umra or Haj.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    Quote Originally Posted by Ismail Simjee View Post
    There is a charge of SR2000 to be paid on top of the mofa fee levied through licensed agents who organise your umra package completely, partially or just the visa on its own, for those who has performed an umra in the islamic calender of 1438AH. If you have not done an umra, in 1438, than there is no visa fee regardless of whether you had performed a haj before.

    For Haj, you have to pay extra SR2000 regardless of "when" you had performed your haj before.

    I will not discuss the politics of why this levy.

    What I would point out to those who feel pinched by such fee is to think. Especially if you have been to the two harmains. Just consider the number of employees, from management such as Shaikh A R Sudais, to the number of Imams, Moazzens, Police, security, mutawas, cleaners - male and females servicing the two harmains.
    Then consider the control of logistics from remote offices through thousands of CCTV cameras and traffic management through thousands of police patrolling on foot, cars and helicopters.
    Then consider the use of electricity in keeping the harmains flood lighted and cooled through thousands of fans and air conditioning pumped in from locations away from the harmains.
    Then consider the paramedics.
    Then consider the clinics and hospitals which are free for pilgrims and no expense is withheld if top level treatment is to be carried out down to free prescription and dispensation of medicine.
    When you are inside the harmains, and have time on hand, try counting the number of lights with or without chandeliers.
    Not to forget the carpets, their cleansing. The round the clock washing of mataaf and the rest of the masajids.
    The free supply of drinking water.
    The free facility of WCs.
    The management of all Meeqat points and their costs.

    I think SR2000 is a good value for money if you have the resource to perform a repeat Umra or Haj.
    If the House of Saud was living frugally and not abusing the wealth that Allah has bestowed upon the Holy land I would totally agree with your assessment Ismail chacha.. but when the house of Saud lives a lavish lifestyle and then implements this extra fee it somehow just doesn't feel right. That's just my opinion. May Allah guide all who abuse their people and live lavish lifestyles.

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    Re: Umra 1438

    they should tax the hotels, flight companies.
    some of theses hotels charge thousands per nights in hajj, ramadan and peak times.
    it will cover the cost. by introducing the charge, a lot of people will not go and they will then lose more money.
    someone should check what is the percentage of the people who are yearly repeaters, i would expect more than 30%.

 

 

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