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    Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil


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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    @Spicen



    Just fyi

    My reasoning behind your quote is to be understood contextually. Rejecting Islamic rulings with the reasoning suggested within this thread is obviously problematic and it is only based on hatred / arrogance.

    Negating the Shariah is kufr and hypocrisy. It is one thing to fall short , and yet acknowledge an established act - and another to disbelieve in something to avoid it's ruling.

    We don't create the religion as we go , we submit to it.

    Wa Allahu alam

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant View Post
    Didn't talk about Abu Bakr and Umar. The Sahaba had the best of generations, but also the worst.
    What was "worst" about that generation of Muslims? substantiate your claim from saheeh ahadeeth and athaar. And you better have something good because you have the habit of letting your mouth run and make some outrageous claims like the one above.



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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant View Post
    Lots of these narrations are fabricated. The Ummayads had no issues about slaughtering the family of the Prophet (PBUH), so fabricating ahadith would be no problem.
    Do yourself a favour and don't commit Kufr on the forum,

    Mutawattir Saheeh Hadith are those which are beyond doubt,

    Take your dirty Kufr antics somewhere else,
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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Bismillah

    I would like to mention that I understand , to some degree , why there is a tension between Arabs and people from the subcontinent. Racism is a reality unfortunately and it is not befitting for a righteous Muslim to possess such qualities.

    Indian/Pakistani/Bengali Muslims are people blessed by Allah ( Swt ). Your communities adhere to Sunni Islaam and make up for a huge chunk of the Ummah. Which means , many of the people of Paradise will be from this ethnicity.

    All the Muslims I have looked up to in real life were from this region and I hold these people in high esteem. Wallahi , I have never come across Muslims as consistent and with such love for the Sunnah ( Genuine love for Islaam ) , except that they were from the subcontinent.

    This only increases me in confusion as to why they don't get along with the the Arabs in general.

    I think its important to recognize that culture comes in to play here. People of Imaan recognize good merits. Not all Arabs are evil or hate Hindis. There are folks who are Muslim for secular reasons or become corrupt by their culture and popular trends.

    But we can not judge Islaam or change Islaam due to the actions of people ( even if you think they are the majority ).

    Allah honoured the Arabs by granting them the Quran and religious / political dominance. The best revelation is in Arabic , sent down to the best Human / Prophet / Messenger (as) who was an Arab belonging to the Quraysh.

    I personally don't deal with Arab racism , so maybe I can not expect everyone to be as black and white as I think I am .. But one needs to look past the deeds of people and consider that this religion dictates certain things. Opposing scholarship / mainstream Islam is opposing Allah and His religion.

    May Allah grant us all patience with each other.


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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    Do yourself a favour and don't commit Kufr on the forum,

    Mutawattir Saheeh Hadith are those which are beyond doubt,

    Take your dirty Kufr antics somewhere else,
    He's already a Murtad akhi, he has claimed so before
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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by AmantuBillahi View Post
    Bismillah

    I would like to mention that I understand , to some degree , why there is a tension between Arabs and people from the subcontinent. Racism is a reality unfortunately and it is not befitting for a righteous Muslim to possess such qualities.

    Indian/Pakistani/Bengali Muslims are people blessed by Allah ( Swt ). Your communities adhere to Sunni Islaam and make up for a huge chunk of the Ummah. Which means , many of the people of Paradise will be from this ethnicity.

    All the Muslims I have looked up to in real life were from this region and I hold these people in high esteem. Wallahi , I have never come across Muslims as consistent and with such love for the Sunnah ( Genuine love for Islaam ) , except that they were from the subcontinent.

    This only increases me in confusion as to why they don't get along with the the Arabs in general.

    I think its important to recognize that culture comes in to play here. People of Imaan recognize good merits. Not all Arabs are evil or hate Hindis. There are folks who are Muslim for secular reasons or become corrupt by their culture and popular trends.

    But we can not judge Islaam or change Islaam due to the actions of people ( even if you think they are the majority ).

    Allah honoured the Arabs by granting them the Quran and religious / political dominance. The best revelation is in Arabic , sent down to the best Human / Prophet / Messenger (as) who was an Arab belonging to the Quraysh.

    I personally don't deal with Arab racism , so maybe I can not expect everyone to be as black and white as I think I am .. But one needs to look past the deeds of people and consider that this religion dictates certain things. Opposing scholarship / mainstream Islam is opposing Allah and His religion.

    May Allah grant us all patience with each other.

    Your perception is not correct. This is not about some racial tension. Most muslims here don't give a damn about Arabs. Infact Turks, both religious types and nationalist types hate Arabs far, far more.

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Foodadad View Post
    Honestly, that looks more like a cash grab than some kind of caste system. It just so happened, as the article illustrates, that the converts happened to be *mostly* (not exclusively, apparently) non-arab. A racial disparity existed, but not by design, rather as a byproduct of a very shortsighted and frankly terrible plan. You're taking this and fitting it into your own agenda.
    Exactly, to call it's jizyah is absurd
    Jizyah is a specific issue, it's not merely a tax at all
    ''If the bedouins and city dwellers were to fight between themselves until they wipe each other out, it will surely be less significant than them appointing a taghoot in the land which rules by that which is against the Shari'ah of Islaam which Allah sent his Messenger ﷺ with'' - Sheikh Sulayman bin Sahmaan

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by abufulaans View Post
    Exactly, to call it's jizyah is absurd
    Jizyah is a specific issue, it's not merely a tax at all
    Why was the "tax" levied on non-arab muslims only and not arabs too?

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Bidrohi Ronoklanto View Post
    Why was the "tax" levied on non-arab muslims only and not arabs too?
    To make money off non arabs, of course it was wrongfully taken and haraam
    But jizyah is almost completely different, it's purpose and application is different
    ''If the bedouins and city dwellers were to fight between themselves until they wipe each other out, it will surely be less significant than them appointing a taghoot in the land which rules by that which is against the Shari'ah of Islaam which Allah sent his Messenger ﷺ with'' - Sheikh Sulayman bin Sahmaan

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Abū ʿĪsa al-ʿAjamī View Post
    He's already a Murtad akhi, he has claimed so before
    Your right akhi, I remembered the Murtads previous antics,

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Bidrohi Ronoklanto View Post
    Why was the "tax" levied on non-arab muslims only and not arabs too?
    Don't tell us you think the Jizya is based on an individual's race or skin colour?

    What manner of sickness is this?

    You don't even know what the Jizya is and you speak about it?
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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by abufulaans View Post
    To make money off non arabs, of course it was wrongfully taken and haraam
    But jizyah is almost completely different, it's purpose and application is different
    It was jizya. You are the only one who is calling it a 'tax'. No surprise there, you and the ajmi slaves will go much further to defend their masters.

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    Don't tell us you think the Jizya is based on an individual's race or skin colour?

    What manner of sickness is this?

    You don't even know what the Jizya is and you speak about it?
    It's a waste of time to converse with you.
    Last edited by sajid; 02-09-17 at 03:44 PM.

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Bidrohi Ronoklanto View Post
    It's a waste of time to converse with you.
    Triggered
    Last edited by sajid; 02-09-17 at 03:44 PM.
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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by abufulaans View Post
    To make money off non arabs, of course it was wrongfully taken and haraam
    But jizyah is almost completely different, it's purpose and application is different
    Да.
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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Bidrohi Ronoklanto View Post
    It was jizya. You are the only one who is calling it a 'tax'. No surprise there, you and the ajmi slaves will go much further to defend their masters.
    Complete jahil you are if you think it was jizyah
    You clearly don't know what jizyah is
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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Bidrohi Ronoklanto View Post
    You are an idiot. It's a waste of time to converse with you.
    The idiot is the one who speaks about that which he does not know
    ''If the bedouins and city dwellers were to fight between themselves until they wipe each other out, it will surely be less significant than them appointing a taghoot in the land which rules by that which is against the Shari'ah of Islaam which Allah sent his Messenger ﷺ with'' - Sheikh Sulayman bin Sahmaan

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by abufulaans View Post
    The idiot is the one who speaks about that which he does not know
    He speaks from his desires (mind the grammar)
    If following Aḥmad makes me a 'Wahhābī', then I declare that I am one.

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by abufulaans View Post
    Complete jahil you are if you think it was jizyah
    You clearly don't know what jizyah is
    He knows how to make statements of Kufr and call people baseless names,

    Bidrohi doesn't even know the basics of Islam,

    Even outright Kuffar are more knowledgeable than him,

    Complete Disgrace

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant View Post
    Didn't talk about Abu Bakr and Umar. The Sahaba had the best of generations, but also the worst.
    I always knew Mutant was a shia no matter how many times he denied.

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Spicen View Post
    Ayatollah Imran Hossein is a flithy shia who supports the rape and murder of Muslims by bashar asshead and his shia followers.

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Warrior View Post
    I always knew Mutant was a shia no matter how many times he denied.
    He's a dirty Kaafir Shi'a,

    These vermin almost always show their true colours and give themselves away akhi,

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by IlFaraone View Post
    Russian Empire (1721-1917) =/= Russian Federation (1991-Present).

    Soviet Union (1922-1991) =/= Russian Federation (1991-Present).

    Notice how in my posts regarding Russia and their recent involvement in the Islamic world, I always say Russia and not Russians. This is intentional. When I say Russia, I'm talking about the modern Russian Federation, not the Soviets or the Russian Imperialists. To tie the crimes of the governments of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union to the government of the Russian Federation is wrong. Ideologies, interests, beliefs all change when a nation falls and gets succeeded.

    With that out the way, we have to take a look at Russia's history from 1991 to the present. I will not ever defend Russia in the First Chechen War, but arguments can be made for the Second Chechen War. About their involvement in the Middle-East, how could you ever say that they're just as bad as the west? After all you've seen, how could they ever be as bad? Russia's involvement is a counter-reaction to the west constantly getting their nasty hands into the business of Muslims. Look at what happened in Iraq, because of the US-Iraq war. We now have so many terrorists groups, I don't even know which group is which anymore.

    Does the Russian Federation have blood of over 1 million Muslims on their hands and counting? In just over 10 years the Americans have killed more Muslims than the Russians in their entire history. Do I see Russia constantly going around overthrowing governments and in the process killing thousands?

    And that last bit about Russia intentionally bombing civilians is a complete and utter lie. It's a disgusting accusation, with 0 evidence. Do we have any videos on Russians intentionally bombing civilians? Because guess what, we have those of the Americans. Any many of them too.

    Anyone here who thinks Russia is as bad the west is severely deluded.
    wow you are a moron if you think russia doesnt intentionally and carelessly bomb

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    Re: Ayatollah Imran Hossein: Ottoman Empire was Evil

    Quote Originally Posted by Dontknowname View Post
    wow you are a moron if you think russia doesnt intentionally and carelessly bomb
    ALSO, funny that russia has killed many times more than the US in syria as well let alone the bastard that russia supported

 

 

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