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    The test of life

    I have been wrestling with this question for a while...

    I most definitely believe in Allah, that He is the master of the universe and that He has an ultimate plan for us all. But I have been told by many people that we live on Earth because Allah is testing us, and how we perform during this test will earn us rewards or punishments. But if Allah truly knows everything, what is the point of testing us? Of course we must be held accountable, but what's the point of holding us accountable if He knows the future, if He knows whether or not we will truly accept Him and pray to Him, if He knows our very words before we speak them? Would it not be more convenient to only create people who will undoubtedly accept Him and worship Him willingly?

    What do you guys think?

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    Re: The test of life

    We are a product of Allah's attributes.

    Allah is Most Merciful... we are created due to that Mercy.
    Allah is the Best to take account... we are a product of that.
    etc etc.

    We sometimes think that because Allah created us now He has to be Mos Merciful etc.

    No... it's the other way around... we are slaved to the Will and Attributes of Allah

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    Re: The test of life

    Quote Originally Posted by oceanbreeze View Post
    I have been wrestling with this question for a while...

    I most definitely believe in Allah, that He is the master of the universe and that He has an ultimate plan for us all. But I have been told by many people that we live on Earth because Allah is testing us, and how we perform during this test will earn us rewards or punishments. But if Allah truly knows everything, what is the point of testing us? Of course we must be held accountable, but what's the point of holding us accountable if He knows the future, if He knows whether or not we will truly accept Him and pray to Him, if He knows our very words before we speak them? Would it not be more convenient to only create people who will undoubtedly accept Him and worship Him willingly?

    What do you guys think?
    If God knows in advance what is going to be, where does our freedom stand in relation to that?

    I mean that logically God knows the choice that is offered to us for a given situation.

    I see it differently, in relation to God, there is an infinity of possible futures, all leading to different scenarios and however, we choose only one ... it may be here that our free will resides, God leaves us the freedom to choose among these possible futures even if it goes against our interest, in order to improve us and learn from our mistakes.
    Last edited by Epsilon; 07-07-17 at 07:57 AM.

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    Re: The test of life

    Quote Originally Posted by oceanbreeze View Post
    I have been wrestling with this question for a while...

    I most definitely believe in Allah, that He is the master of the universe and that He has an ultimate plan for us all. But I have been told by many people that we live on Earth because Allah is testing us, and how we perform during this test will earn us rewards or punishments. But if Allah truly knows everything, what is the point of testing us? Of course we must be held accountable, but what's the point of holding us accountable if He knows the future, if He knows whether or not we will truly accept Him and pray to Him, if He knows our very words before we speak them? Would it not be more convenient to only create people who will undoubtedly accept Him and worship Him willingly?

    What do you guys think?
    Here's the answer https://islamqa.info/en/96978

    https://islamqa.info/en/123973

    Also, I'm sure that this question been discussed a lot on this forum. See this thread
    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...oes-he-test-me

    And i'm sure if you search on this forum u will find more threads about same question.


    @~IMAN~ That is a very easy question to answer.

    God knows what will happen to us ( of course because God knows everything)

    Now you ask why God will test us.. Even though God knows the outcome and if you will pass the test or not.. God did test you by your free will( you have free will) so god teach you Halal from haram and its up to you if you will listen or not.( so god knows what you will do , you do not) but it's totally up to us what we will do with our life( we r not robots)

    God created everything, even satan,he was worshipping God , then he turned arrogant , he became rebellious and he asked God for one wish, to mislead all mankind( people who are strong in Islam ( it will be very hard to mislead) but don't worry about satan misleading us because if we know halal from haram then satan will be like a fly( he actually is very weak like a fly) and can't hurt Muslims if they pray and Muslims with strong imam.

    If you want to know all the story about satan, read about it and you will understand it more.inshallah.

    I believe it's clear now insha'Allah and what IMAN says gives the the summary of it. If you still have doubts I recommend u to send your question to knowledgeable scholars on Islamiqa site and they will answer you in detail insha'Allah
    How merciful Allah on me by giving me respite,and I persist in my sins and Allah shields me

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    Re: The test of life

    Without going into too much details, here's my take on this matter. The concept of destiny is explained with various basic concepts, one of them is time. Time is a physical entity (4th dimension) and Allah (swt) is not confined by any physical entity. Therefore the way Qadr/destiny works with Allah (swt) is not the same way we understand it.

    Quote Originally Posted by oceanbreeze View Post
    I have been wrestling with this question for a while...

    I most definitely believe in Allah, that He is the master of the universe and that He has an ultimate plan for us all. But I have been told by many people that we live on Earth because Allah is testing us, and how we perform during this test will earn us rewards or punishments. But if Allah truly knows everything, what is the point of testing us? Of course we must be held accountable, but what's the point of holding us accountable if He knows the future, if He knows whether or not we will truly accept Him and pray to Him, if He knows our very words before we speak them? Would it not be more convenient to only create people who will undoubtedly accept Him and worship Him willingly?

    What do you guys think?
    Ask yourself why you were created. Do not let society distract you from seeking the truth.
    Sahih International, 63:3 (Surah Al-Munafiqun)
    That is because they believed, and then they disbelieved; so their hearts were sealed over, and they do not understand.

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    Re: The test of life

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_in_Islam

    In Islam, "predestination" is the usual English language rendering of a belief that Muslims call al-qaḍāʾ wa al-qadr. The phrase means "the divine decree and the predestination"; al-qadr derives from a root that means to measure out.

    There are only two groups who represent the extremes regarding Qadar. Al-Jabiriyah are of the opinion that humans have no control over their actions and everything is dictated by God. The other group is Al-Qadiriyyah (not to be confused with the Sufi order, Al-Qaadirriyah) and they are of the opinion of humans having complete control over their destiny, to the extent that God does not even know what we will choose to do. The Sunni view is in the middle between these two views, where they believe that God has knowledge of everything that will be, but that humans have freedom of choice.

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    Re: The test of life

    I appreciate all of your answers and insight. But, I'm still confused. I understand the concept of Allah testing us in order to see if we will choose Him and perform good deeds. I understand Allah testing us to see which of the best will go to Jannah. But what I am asking is what's the point of a test when Allah already knows the outcome? If He already knows which of us will make the right choices in the tough situations, why bother with a divine lifelong test?

    Let's say Allah created a person. Because He is Allah, He already knows that this person will ignore calls to faith and live a life of sin and selfishness. This man's destiny is hell because he undoubtedly will fail the test of life. He brought suffering to himself and others and on top of that rejected faith. How is it merciful and just for Allah to create a person who is doomed from the moment of his birth? What's the point? Would it not be simpler to create a race of people who undoubtedly will use their free will to choose Him?

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    Re: The test of life

    Quote Originally Posted by oceanbreeze View Post

    Let's say Allah created a person. Because He is Allah, He already knows that this person will ignore calls to faith and live a life of sin and selfishness. This man's destiny is hell because he undoubtedly will fail the test of life. He brought suffering to himself and others and on top of that rejected faith. How is it merciful and just for Allah to create a person who is doomed from the moment of his birth? What's the point? Would it not be simpler to create a race of people who undoubtedly will use their free will to choose Him?


    we r not doomed. we have free will to choose the straight path of Allah or to go astray.

    So you didn't bother reading what we wrote^^ Surely you didn't click on the links I post in which scholar explained all. You just keep asking same question we've already answered.

    Also, Allah's wisdom beyond our small understanding .. so we don't expect to understand the wisdom behind every single detail or command in Islam and if we fail to grasp something, we start having doubts in our religion and stop worshiping. If we follow only what makes sense or logic to our human brains, then we not worshiping Allah Instead we worshiping our brains. You can't measure religion by brain.

    Religion means faith to believe in Allah and submit to his obligations. If we were taught the wisdom behind certain aspects, commands or stuff then Alhamdullah and If the wisdom behind other stuff kept hidden from us we obey too. Faith means submission. We as Muslims "hear and obey" when it comes Islam teachings whether we get the wisdom behind something or not. That what a true believer means.

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    Re: The test of life

    Quote Originally Posted by myeverything View Post
    we r not doomed. we have free will to choose the straight path of Allah or to go astray.

    So you didn't bother reading what we wrote^^ Surely you didn't click on the links I post in which scholar explained all. You just keep asking same question we've already answered.

    Also, Allah's wisdom beyond our small understanding .. so we don't expect to understand the wisdom behind every single detail or command in Islam and if we fail to grasp something, we start having doubts in our religion and stop worshiping. If we follow only what makes sense or logic to our human brains, then we not worshiping Allah Instead we worshiping our brains. You can't measure religion by brain.

    Religion means faith to believe in Allah and submit to his obligations. If we were taught the wisdom behind certain aspects, commands or stuff then Alhamdullah and If the wisdom behind other stuff kept hidden from us we obey too. Faith means submission. We as Muslims "hear and obey" when it comes Islam teachings whether we get the wisdom behind something or not. That what a true believer means.

    @Saif-Uddin
    With all due respect, I did read the other replies and links. I am acknowledging the answers, or at least if was my intention to do so. For me, believing in God is easy. Believing that life is a test, that I can understand. Believing that life is a test to which God already knows the outcome, that is harder. I do not know why. If I am not meant to know the full details, why then am I driven to ask for them?

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    Re: The test of life

    Quote Originally Posted by oceanbreeze View Post
    I appreciate all of your answers and insight. But, I'm still confused. I understand the concept of Allah testing us in order to see if we will choose Him and perform good deeds. I understand Allah testing us to see which of the best will go to Jannah. But what I am asking is what's the point of a test when Allah already knows the outcome? If He already knows which of us will make the right choices in the tough situations, why bother with a divine lifelong test?

    Let's say Allah created a person. Because He is Allah, He already knows that this person will ignore calls to faith and live a life of sin and selfishness. This man's destiny is hell because he undoubtedly will fail the test of life. He brought suffering to himself and others and on top of that rejected faith. How is it merciful and just for Allah to create a person who is doomed from the moment of his birth? What's the point? Would it not be simpler to create a race of people who undoubtedly will use their free will to choose Him?
    Troll post,

    Nowhere in the Qur'an does it say Allah عز و جل arbitrarily decrees somones fate,

    Whatever Allah عز و جل decreed is with his knowledge of the future, he knows what path that said individual would take and hence decrees his fate accordingly.

    There is a few Ayaat in the Qur'an which refutes your absurd arguments,
    http://www.ilovepalestine.com/campai...imesinGaza.gif

    "It does not befit the lion to answer the dogs."

    – Imam al-Shafi’i (Rahimahullah)

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    Re: The test of life

    The amount of questions like this you can ask are unlimited
    We are just insaan, we cannot understand Allah
    ''If the bedouins and city dwellers were to fight between themselves until they wipe each other out, it will surely be less significant than them appointing a taghoot in the land which rules by that which is against the Shari'ah of Islaam which Allah sent his Messenger ﷺ with'' - Sheikh Sulayman bin Sahmaan

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    Re: The test of life

    First of all, if Allah (swt) merely created humans and then straight away dumped them into jannah or jahanum based on his prior knowledge of which path they'll take, humans would see this as an injustice, that they were not given the chance to prove themselves one way or the other. There are some evidences on this subject but I don't have them to hand. So they are put through the tests of this life and then when they are questioned on the day of judgement, they'd have to acknowledge that they made their choices of their own free will so have to take responsibility for that and face the consequences.

    Secondly no one is "doomed from birth". Saying someone is doomed from birth is like suggesting that such a person is (without free will) compelled to make wrong choices in his (or her) life. This is definitely not the case. No one is created inherently good or inherently evil from day one, in fact all children are born on the fitrah, in a state of pure innocence. It is the decisions and choices that the person makes from reaching the age of maturity onwards and that's what all of us are held accountable for. If a person grows up to live a life of sin and wrongdoing without repentance, that is his choice, his choices have caused him to doom himself.

    Allah (swt) knows beforehand what decisions people will make whether they are right or wrong, this is because He is Allah and He knows everything including what will happen in the future. Perhaps at this point you ask yourself whether it's "cruel" for Allah to create someone with the foreknowledge that the person would be a wrong doer who will go to hell? The answer to that is: Allah (swt) created all of us with free will, sent down guidance so that we can understand the difference between right and wrong, then gave US the choice as to whether to follow a path of guidance or misguidance. If He did not create anyone that would end up in Hell, we would no longer be human, we'd be angels who are like robots who just follow commands and have no free will- we would not be ourselves. It is the free will that gives us the option to choose right or wrong and then we are judged accordingly.

    Does that answer the question or have I missed anything?

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    Re: The test of life

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    Re: The test of life

    Quote Originally Posted by oceanbreeze View Post
    With all due respect, I did read the other replies and links. I am acknowledging the answers, or at least if was my intention to do so. For me, believing in God is easy. Believing that life is a test, that I can understand. Believing that life is a test to which God already knows the outcome, that is harder. I do not know why. If I am not meant to know the full details, why then am I driven to ask for them?
    its okay. i get what you are trying to ask @oceanbreeze. here is the answer to your question.

    suppose a teacher gets a class. there are 50 students in the class. the teacher is very well aware of each students capabilities and strengths and weakness and overall "caliber". the teacher decides, that instead of going through the trouble of teaching the students everything and then taking their exam and checking the results, he will just directly pass those students he Knows have the ability to pass, and he fails those students he knows are never gonna study no matter how much time they are given. so, he announces the results in the first class without teaching anything. the students, those who passed, are happy. but those who were failed by the teacher rise in uproar and say that you have failed us due to a personal agenda and had you tested us, we would have passed with flying colors. now, anticipating aaaaall of this due to his knowledge, the teacher decided against this and decided instead to take the "longer" route of teaching them everything and then taking their exam and then checking the exams and then announced the results. and turns out the students he knew would fail did certainly fail even after the test. and those he knew would pass certainly passed. the purpose of the semester was so that nobody would complain that the teacher was unfair or unjust.

    i think the analogy is self explanatory, apart from a few technicalities of Aqeedah. and whats more? those who will fail on the day of judgment will dare to say that give us one more chance. we will be good in the dunya. but they know and Allah knows that that is not true.

    AssalamuAlaikum.

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    Re: The test of life

    Quote Originally Posted by oceanbreeze View Post
    With all due respect, I did read the other replies and links. I am acknowledging the answers, or at least if was my intention to do so. For me, believing in God is easy. Believing that life is a test, that I can understand. Believing that life is a test to which God already knows the outcome, that is harder. I do not know why. If I am not meant to know the full details, why then am I driven to ask for them?


    Here are some more details in post # 71

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...r-Wisdom/page2
    My sect - No Sect

    My Aqeedah - http://legacy.quran.com/112 ( The Aqeedah of Sahabas)

    Just a Muslim

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    Re: The test of life

    It's a literacy test.

    Allah has provided to you all things that you might see His design; sufficient and exalted is He who has created all things.
    Allah has provided to you the Books of Moses; verily for a people to contemplate over the centuries.
    Was it not Allah who (first) declared unto man (fashioned from the clay of the earth) that before him (Adam) first came life from the sea and then the land? Verily it is in accordance with evolution to those with understanding.
    Was it not Allah who gave the generations of Adam The Book; that man might employ in accordance? Sufficient is He in all things; exalted, wise.

    The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil; it is Allah (sufficient is He in his devices) who devised this tree that man may learn.

    But man has not learned; for the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is the agent of death itself; to eat from it, knowingly or unknowingly, and without deriving lesson, causes your death.

    It is Allah who forbade it; but you understand it not. They say "the serpent is Iblis! He is the evil one," but Lo! It is here man has gone astray; for who is the one to hear Allah forbid a tree, and in the very same breath declare the agency of the serpent as evil? Do they not see the hypocrisy?

    For those who are astray yet; forbear me this similitude: a child told not to touch the fire by a parent knows not for themselves the need to heed; for it is only when the child (in their ignorance) touches the flame is the full lesson imparted. As such, the serpent tempts you not with evil agency, but of necessity.

    The reason (to those who are illiterate) is to deduce consequence of action. To eat from the tree thus and not derive consequence of action is to touch the flame and derive not lesson, but in perpetuity char themselves into death.

    Is it not Allah who placed a flaming sword upon the tree of life lest man live forever in such a state?

    What then of the serpent who tempts Eve? The serpent is neutral; he declares by eating of the fruits one shall become like Allah; to know good and evil. The serpent offers not to become Allah, or your own God, but like Allah. Do they have literacy to see? For those who have ears, let him hear.

    Do they not see (then) it is Allah who gives sufficient account to the fall of man? There is no error upon it; the error is in the deficiency of an illiterate mind to understand. What else then does Allah provide to the people?

    Was it not Allah who sent to you Moses? And what of His ten commandments? Was it not Allah who inscribed them in stone; as if to say "O Moses! Make in known to your people that these commandments which Allah shall presently inscribe for you in stone are likewise solid as stone. Was it not Allah who created the heavens and the earth and declared as it be above so be it below? Still do they not see?

    Was it not Allah who promised you a land free of oppression? And at what stake; that man might follow the most basic guidance for even a simple people to understand. But they stumble over words; they treat these things as if such activities transpired on the earth below and as such don't see the higher meaning; verily, the guidance of Allah is only seen with eyes devoid of hypocrisy.

    Allah says though shalt not bear false witness; and they say "I have witnessed Muhammad and his example." Do they not see; if they are called to witness for proof, they will say "We have the Qur'an from you O almighty Allah!" giving no thought to the laws which came before. There is no abrogation with Allah; his laws are perfect and sufficient for those who build solid foundation in the early laws.

    Was it not the Israelites who broke the commandments after being given the land as promised by Allah? Was it not Moses who thus broke them subsequent (as if) to say "here marks the generations who have turned their backs on Allah; falling victim to oppressors who confuse them. Verily, it is of a surety, man is far descended from such generations.

    Was it not Allah who provided (even to the transgressors) a man to a people worthy of seeking His guidance and a return to a land free from oppression? They say: "Isa was a great prophet!" but they understand not his words. Isa was gifted with expression (imbued by Allah) to present parables to a people with the ears to hear. It was He who delivered upon the transgressors a man to heal their blindness.

    Was it not man who (subsequent) defiled the teachings and called Isa God in the flesh? Isa declares himself alone just one man, but the hypocrites who understood not his message did crucify him and erect him as God; defiling the very teachings themselves. Have not the (hypocrite) Christians defiled the teachings and committed atrocities in His name? Allah allows all these things; that you might perceive the atrocities that are consequence of idolatry. To erect any man as more than a man and imbue him with qualities that appeal to the weak minded is the work of heretics and hypocrites.

    Now listen; was it not Isa who said he is the Christ? Did he not impart upon you that he and the Father were one; the father in him, and he (Christ) in you? Did he not impart to you that your body is a vessel; a lamp; and you are the light of the world? Was it not Allah who declared light on the first day? Do they not (now) see that light was called into being before the planets and stars (Signs); do they yet not see that all matters are one energy; their own light? If your body is a lamp emitting light, and that light is you, then verily what you perceive is your own energy in accordance it the laws of Allah.

    Do they not understand Christ to be within themselves? Like a seed planted in among every man; only accessed by comprehending the teachings of Isa? Was it not He who sent Isa to the world to declare himself as the only way to the Father? He declares no man gets to the Father except through him; being the embodiment of the Christ that others might understand the Christ within themselves; for it is only when one discovers their own inner Christ do they come to the Father.

    Was it not Isa who declared Christ as the Alpha and Omega; beginning and end? Do they still not see the beginning and end of all things to coincide with the beginning and end of themselves? They say: "People die and yet all continues to exist; there is no such alpha and omega". It is so by design; they know it not what death is, for they only see it relative to life. Only those who comprehend the teachings of Isa will understand the implications; it is so because literacy is required in order for be further guided by Allah.

    To those awaiting the return of Isa; you are confused. The return of Christ happens not externally, but internally. Was it not Isa who declared himself as within you? Was it not Allah who sent Isa for those who are astray; partaking in perpetual oppression and suffering; pointing fingers saying: "It's the Jews!" or "It's the kafir!" Did they not understand the teachings of Isa; if your eye be single (to perceive all as one within yourself), your body shall fill with light. If your body is full of darkness, darkness will consume the earth. If your body is full of light, you will discover the Christ as He has prepared in you as a seed; only accessed if you enter within yourself.

    Was it not Isa who delivered the (eternal) reminder to those astray; it is your own authorities who take away the keys because they enter not within themselves (hypocrites) and erect in their place other such idolatrous distractions?

    Now know the truth; the Muslim rightfully corrects the hypocrites of Isa; no man is God. But they know it not their own hypocrite leaders, who do not enter within themselves, have erected Muhammad is similar fashion. They declare him the best example for all of humanity, many wives, sexual prowess, honest and integral. The Muslim then likewise with the Christian worship him; O muslims, is it not Allah who created evolution that you might understand you are derived from a base species? Was it not Allah who populated the earth with them; that you might know your own origins. Was it not Allah who taught the animals to imitate their surroundings?

    Do the idolators not see imitation as an animal trait? Do they not see how the hypocrites who imbue books as the perfect word of Allah; likewise who erect idols such as Muhammad for an illiterate people to succumb themselves to into oppression and suffering? Do they, who call Isa ally, not see the need for animal sacrifice; that of the animal within? For animals are liable to imitate, and imitation leads back into idolatry and oppression.

    Allah has made every life sufficient unto itself; the God of Abraham is likened unto a test for literacy and understanding of attending to their own inner Christ.

    Was it not Allah who sent you Muhammad? Was it not He who tested Muhammad thrice to ensure his illiteracy? Did Muhammad not provide you sufficient account of how a man, despite his most honorable and sincerest of efforts, could not perceive the teachings of Isa and entangle himself into the creation subsequent? And what does his example accomplish? Every ounce of his being invested into the creation of peace but with no understanding of Christ. Is it not Allah who provided you example of the eventual demise of the illiterate peoples who receive not well the teachings of Isa; the only mercy through which to return to the creator? Do they still not see after 1400 years the inevitability of perpetual war; wherein the topmost hypocrites profit from their ignorance? They blame the West; they see it not the inherent hypocrisy of Islam and the following of an illiterate man.

    Nay; they allow their hypocrite leaders to decorate the man who died fighting for peace. He left no leadership because he is the Seal of the Prophets; his deed to humanity is revered in the eyes of Allah; for Muhammad made excellent example of the perpetual conflict caused by lack of literacy.

    The so-called "believers" call all others unbelievers; was it not Allah's first commandment to all of man that he may eat from any tree he wishes? The unbelieving scientist, then, who passions and labors over matters of science and provides a means to juxtapose your scriptures; in legitimate pursuit of human well-being, is counted among the kafir?. Call you them the infidel when it is they who more closely obey the commandments of Allah than those so-called "believers" who have allowed their own authorities to turn their face away from the commandments (solid as stone) that has them bearing witness to dead men; idolatry of books, cubes and impressions, lying for particular (empire-based) causes, ownership of women and appealing to the baseness of man. The hypocrisy is rich; but they see it not.

    Now just stop and perceive the whole of the planet; 1400 years of infighting between Muslims; indeed Muhammad was well to declare Islam to become increasingly divided. Verily it is by design; Muhammad and his example is a collection of souls who perceive it not that the institution of religion is inherently false and constructed upon hypocrisy.

    All temples built upon hypocrisy will fall under the weight of their own hypocrisy; as such every man will fall under the weight of his own. Was it not Allah to declared upon the return of Christ all of the temples shall fall? It is your own reliance on religion which falls; if you understand the teachings of Isa and seek your own Christ, you become detached from the perpetual war machine which only ends in self-destruction.

    All of religion; indeed the whole God of Abraham narrative, beginning with Adam and ending with the Seal of Muhammad contains a narrative sufficient to those with eyes to see and ears to hear. The progression of the narrative is the progression of systematic hypocrisy; starting with Adam and Eve being naked with no shame, to eating and becoming aware of their nakedness/shame, to 6th century Arabia whereupon women were either married into wealthy families, or given into the sex ring, or buried alive; and those women who survive are now dressed in full-body garments. The hypocrisy is such that if a fish were in an ocean of water, it knows not the water because the fish is completely encapsulated by it. Such is the hypocrisy of all religion.

    Was it not Allah who sent Isa to remind the people he would return whereabouts a man with a jug of water appears outside of the house? Was it not Allah who provided the stars as signs? Was it not Allah who created the constellation of Aquarius; the man with the jug of water? Is your body not a house; do you perceive Aquarius in the sky presently? How many more signs do they need?

    Was it not Allah who allowed Non-Muslim nations to rise? Was it not Allah who granted them clear minds, devoid of infiltration from religion, to produce such film works as the Matrix; whereupon a man discovers there is something wrong with the world; whereupon he seeks the consultation of Morpheus (God of Sleep/Dreams), whereupon Neo requires "Trinity" (The Father(1) is in Christ(2) is in you(3)); whereupon Neo is offered one of two choices: enter within your self or do not and watch/partake in the collapse; whereupon Neo touches the mirror and enters within himself; whereupon Neo is (inevitably) lead to the creator; whereupon Neo asks the creator "why am I here?" to which the creator responds: the whole of creation (matrix) is in perfect balance, except for one anomaly; whereupon Neo realizes the problem is choice; whereupon Smith asks Neo the same question Neo asks the architect: why are you here? And Neo solves everything upon the moment of realization.

    "Because I choose."

    Was it not Allah who granted such men as Albert Einstein his genius to decode the mathematics of the universe? Was it not Einstein who proved, to a certainty, that time (causality, everything that happens) is relative to the observer? Do they not see how there is only one energy; all else is in perfect balance, and the only anomaly in the whole of creation is them? Do they not see why the ancients say that enlightenment happens to 99% of people at the exact same moment of death?

    Was it not Allah who imparted upon every man and women governance over their own internal choices? Was it not Allah who gave man and woman free will? Was it not Allah who imparted the key; the tree; to understand when one is to touch fire (transgress) one will derive lesson up to and including death? Was it not imparted unto man that he could become like God? Was it not imparted upon man by Isa that ye are Gods; though you know it not?

    Do they not see how while asleep at night, they have the ability to simultaneously create and manufacture an experience and witness it concurrently? This all happens internally without any exterior resources; you are the creator of your own experience. You can either dream unconsciously (not aware you are creating the dream) or lucidly (you are in control of what you manifest). Do they still not see this is the creator within them? Do they see the very creation abilities they employ in sleep is the same mechanism being used in the waking state? Do they not see life is but a dream; a dream in the physically manifest? Do they yet still desire to allow others to plant ideas into their minds; suchthat they begin manifesting the world others desire through the employment of fear and terror? Was it not Allah who sent Muhammad to the peoples to declare his victory with terror?

    Now what have you learned? Perpetual war, human suffering, hatred, divisiveness, geopolitical military complex. And they convince you the only way to "heaven is to fight and/or die in the cause of Allah. You fight not for Allah, but for the hypocrites who call themselves Allah. You fight ad die for your own empire-based fascist ideologies. Not even your topmost leaders regard any aspect of religion as true; religion is merely a tool to completely hijack the intellect by forcing people to identify with something that you are not. Was it not Allah who made man sufficient unto himself?

    Peace can never be an external solution; it can only be an internal one. When you identify your own self as the problem, and seek peace within yourself and only within yourself, you may just find Allah to deliver you into the kingdom over time. Was it not Isa who reminded you that the kingdom of heaven lies within? On what grounds then do the so-called "believers" employ war and terror to achieve it? Do they not see they are employing the evildoers by subscribing to their (extremely well crafted) dogmas?

    Now hear this; the teachings of Isa stand firm in their ground while the world engages in its own collapse. People of the God of Abraham have one of two choices; you take control back over your mind (which is forfeit to religion) and enter within yourself; or you continue to go along with the narrative and see where that leads. The choice is (and always has been) yours.

    It is my wish and my blessing that you wake up from this petty existence and establish yourselves directly with the creator. If you enter within yourself and disassociate with everything you have become identified with, what you refer to as "Allah" will become a living reality for you; completely absent from religion.

    It is my wish and my blessing that each finds his/her own Christ for "lest any man deny himself and take up his own cross daily and follow me", you will never escape what will otherwise become (as with the first narrative involving the tree) lock in a state of perpetual ignorance thereby perpetuating your own personal cycle of birth and death.

    Creation is beautiful when you realize you have (and always have had) full control over your own destiny.

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    Re: The test of life

    Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim
    Assalamu Alaikum

    Hello brother. It seems that you believe in Allah and His role as the ultimate creator of everything. If He created everything surely His intellect far supercedes ours. Then how can we possibly begin to fathom everything that He saw and planned. It is like you creating artificial intelligence which isn't even 0.1 % of your intelligence and you expect the AI to perform all your actions and have the same insight as you. Do you see the flaw in your reasoning? It is great that you are asking questions because Islam is indeed the true religion but one must acknowledge their shortcomings before heading into a debate, otherwise they have the potential to trick themselves into false conclusions.


    Quote Originally Posted by oceanbreeze View Post
    I have been wrestling with this question for a while...


    I most definitely believe in Allah, that He is the master of the universe and that He has an ultimate plan for us all. But I have been told by many people that we live on Earth because Allah is testing us, and how we perform during this test will earn us rewards or punishments. But if Allah truly knows everything, what is the point of testing us? Of course we must be held accountable, but what's the point of holding us accountable if He knows the future, if He knows whether or not we will truly accept Him and pray to Him, if He knows our very words before we speak them? Would it not be more convenient to only create people who will undoubtedly accept Him and worship Him willingly?

    What do you guys think?
    Ask yourself why you were created. Do not let society distract you from seeking the truth.
    Sahih International, 63:3 (Surah Al-Munafiqun)
    That is because they believed, and then they disbelieved; so their hearts were sealed over, and they do not understand.

 

 

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