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    Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته brothers and sisters,

    This is a short video by the late Dr Israr Ahmed,who elaborates on the fact that Pakistan (like many failed Muslim majority nations) are Kufr states...



    Ps. The video is in Urdu

    And certain brothers and sisters tell us to migrate from one Kufr state (IE. A Western nation) to another Kufr state like Pakistan or Bangladesh or other so called Muslim states, Nations...

    Last edited by Saif-Uddin; 15-04-17 at 12:32 AM.
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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    Dsr478 you seem to have serious issues with nationalism and anger management issues,

    Calm down and stop having a Tantrum,

    The thread is about the Kufr Rule or nations like Pakistan,

    If you don't have anything to add to it, kindly stop derailing the thread,

    Abdullah you removed people from discussions when they posted stuff of topic, I advise you to do the same and put and end to the endless arguments between you and Dsr478,

    Anger management? Lol where did that come from?

    Nationalism? Listen, I think you need to go and learn what nationalism is. If you think I'm nationalistic, I'm sorry but you don't know what nationalism even is. I suggest you educate yourself on the topic.

    I'm not throwing a tantrum. Again, you need to go educate yourself on what a tantrum is.

    I'll agree that I was derailing it though, and since Abu won't stop barking, I'll stop posting so hopefully that will shut him up.

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by dsr478 View Post
    Hahaha, when have you ever done that? You and me both know you abuse your mod powers VERY frequently. You know you've done goofed when people make threads about taking away your mod powers...
    You know I know *nudge* *wink*... very convincing.

    ...Big difference. I'm not swearing now. I'm swearing about as much as you are, AKA not at all. Stop crying about my so called "swear words"...
    The point was that you want to go elsewhere so you can curse/swear with impunity. No point in trying to sidestep that.

    ...You said Asian. Next time, specify which type of Asian you're referring to. I'm not a psychic who reads minds...
    Why are you acting American all of a sudden. When a Pakistani says 'Asian' we know exactly which type they mean.

    ...Didn't know Pakistan was a religion. I guess the Chinese, Turkish and Hindustani people on that forum also follow the religion of Pakistan. Who's their deity? Nawaz Sharif? Since I'm also a member of that forum, does that make me no longer Muslim and now a part of the religion of Pakistan too? Smh...
    It's a nationalist forum and Pakistan is what they fight and die for.

    ...And as I keep repeating, I'm okay with using it if it's not meant in a hostile way. So long as you're okay with when I said sand monkey earlier, since that was in a non hostile way too : )
    I'm not too fussed with what you say. You've said much worse I'm sure. I was more bothered by the randomness of your approach. You got it wrong and didn't even feel embarrassed about it. This exchange is a result of that.

    ...Except you did. Having amnesia are we?...
    You're still the only one upset about that thing about Jews. Nobody with any intelligence would agree with your conclusion. Seems as if you're pushing this one as part of an agenda.

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Let's blame it all on the Jews and keep arguing. Yay! Jews here, Jews there, everywhere a Jew. :rollingeyes:

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    It is time to end this fight me bros. Now you must hug.

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sister_2009 View Post
    Let's blame it all on the Jews and keep arguing. Yay! Jews here, Jews there, everywhere a Jew. :rollingeyes:
    Who's blaming it on the Jews?
    If following Aḥmad makes me a 'Wahhābī', then I declare that I am one.

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by Abū ʿĪsa al-ʿAjamī View Post
    Who's blaming it on the Jews?
    Nobody.

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by dsr478 View Post
    Majority of people are deviant Sufis (though this is mostly due to lack of education). Government also doesn't rule by full Sharia, and just picks which parts of Sharia to apply.
    Is that what Dr. Ahmed says in the video or your personal opinion?

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by dsr478 View Post
    Anger management? Lol where did that come from?

    Nationalism? Listen, I think you need to go and learn what nationalism is. If you think I'm nationalistic, I'm sorry but you don't know what nationalism even is. I suggest you educate yourself on the topic.

    I'm not throwing a tantrum. Again, you need to go educate yourself on what a tantrum is.

    I'll agree that I was derailing it though, and since Abu won't stop barking, I'll stop posting so hopefully that will shut him up.
    You went nuts because the evils of Pakistani people got mentioned, and then claimed it's as though your family is being attacked,

    This clearly indicates Nationalistic tendencies, as nobody other than an individual under the influence of Nationalism would make such an absurd connection, this also indicates an inherent inferiority complex,

    I'm Bangladeshi, and when I am told of the evils of Bangladeshi, I don't go nuts and claim my family is being attacked, I've got to defend them and I do so by hurling insults and obscenity, نعوذ بالله من ذلك

    I gave you the benefit of doubt, but you even hinted at obscene behaviour that you are capable of, disgusting,

    Patience has its limits, either stick to the topic or refrain from posting off topic posts,

    Several of your posts indicate that you are in denial,
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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    No need. This is The Void.

    -_-
    So thread derailments are allowed?

    Rules don't apply cause it's the "void" ?
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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by dots View Post
    Interesting topic. Anyway, what makes Pakistan a "kufr state"? (Can't watch the video)
    Here's YouTube link ...

    https://youtu.be/Y4j2i4OHH5A

    Ruling by other than what Allah عز و جل revealed is Kufr,

    https://islamqa.info/en/974

    The Kufr of Democracy has infected virtually all of the Muslim nations, not just Pakistan,

    This is why they are all in a cespit,

    The sooner Muslims stop supporting Democracy, the better it will be for them,

    Read also the following link,

    https://islamqa.info/en/98134

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by dots View Post
    Is that what Dr. Ahmed says in the video or your personal opinion?
    Dr Israr Ahmed said Pakistan Rule is Kufr, which is without a doubt,

    And the brothers and sisters who don't support the Kufr rule and try establish the Shariah, are إِن*شَاءَ اَللّٰه free from blame,

    Those that support the Kufr rule, are culpable.
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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    So thread derailments are allowed?

    Rules don't apply cause it's the "void" ?
    Depends. Some threads are better than others.

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    Depends. Some threads are better than others.
    Talk about bad moderation, I had you up for one of the good mods, seems I was mistaken.
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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    Talk about bad moderation, I had you up for one of the good mods, seems I was mistaken.
    I know, it's a disgrace. I told them what they were letting themselves in for...

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    I know, it's a disgrace. I told them what they were letting themselves in for...
    So were lots of other users!!!

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by imran1976 View Post
    Isn't this height of hypocrisy that you are accusing him of giving pledge of allegiance to secularism when you yourself are a citizen of country where gay marriages are legal. ---- Being a citizen of UK means you are under the oath of allegiance to the British Queen .

    So before attacking others, look in the mirror.

    btw mirror has given you excellent replies --- it only needs a man of little shame to understand.
    But.......but Nationalism is surely Haram.

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    Warning! You just came upon a REELLY BAD Nationalist. Converse at your own risk.

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    I know, it's a disgrace. I told them what they were letting themselves in for...
    I was talking about you, and mods in general, not seeing any consistency from mods like yourself,

    "Power" seems to have gone through to your head,

    Nevermind I intend waste my time responding to silly posts like yours,
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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by Spicen View Post
    But.......but Nationalism is surely Haram.

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/muslims-pat...britons-253158
    Over the years i have been hearing hearing & hearing ( my ears turned sore) that Pakistanis are nationalists.

    59% Choose To Identify Themselves As Muslims First; 22% Consider Being Pakistani Their Primary Identity While 10% Put Their Provincial Identity First
    http://gallup.com.pk/59-choose-to-id...dentity-first/

    Pakistan's Identity: Religion Trumps Nationality

    http://www.riazhaq.com/2016/04/pakis...on-trumps.html
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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by Spicen View Post
    But.......but Nationalism is surely Haram.

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/muslims-pat...britons-253158

    okay, the article says:

    Muslims Are the Most Patriotic Britons: Poll
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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by imran1976 View Post
    Over the years i have been hearing hearing & hearing ( my ears turned sore) that Pakistanis are nationalists.

    59% Choose To Identify Themselves As Muslims First; 22% Consider Being Pakistani Their Primary Identity While 10% Put Their Provincial Identity First
    http://gallup.com.pk/59-choose-to-id...dentity-first/

    Pakistan's Identity: Religion Trumps Nationality

    http://www.riazhaq.com/2016/04/pakis...on-trumps.html
    If you're trying to impress brits with such stats it's quite a futile attempt. They already consider the majority or significant portions of pakistanis to be kaafirs. So whether such kaafirs identify as muslims or pakistanis matter very little in the end.

    And hey your fellow paki friend dsr478 seems to agree with that. I think he said 20% of pakistanis are muslims and 80% are kaafirs.

    So who cares about your stats and articles.
    Warning! You just came upon a REELLY BAD Nationalist. Converse at your own risk.

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by imran1976 View Post

    okay, the article says:

    Muslims Are the Most Patriotic Britons: Poll
    British muslims are quite an impressive bunch. Not only do they outdo muslims in practicing Islam (atleast by their theory of what exactly involves practice) they also outdo White Britons in being more "white." And apparantly looking at this thread, they are attempting to outdo white people in being Class A hypocrites as well.

    I'm impressed. White nationalists like Kevin McDonald would hang his head in shame that muslims can outdo white people in becoming more 'white.'

    Anyway, the fact that it takes them 9 nanoseconds to instantly label muslims as kaafirs and support suicide bombing attacks against muslims yet they defend to the death the western European people who have fought Islam for 1,400 years and are currently trying to destroy it. It should tell you where their interests, allegience lie.

    And since they are nationalistic, patriotic British people, they should also be treated as such by indigenous muslims. Don't take anything that comes from any british muslim seriously. You as a pakistani know better how to apply Islam in your own country and you have to work on that to attain your objectives. The opinions of foreigners is irrelevant in all of this.
    Warning! You just came upon a REELLY BAD Nationalist. Converse at your own risk.

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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by Spicen View Post
    If you're trying to impress brits with such stats it's quite a futile attempt. They already consider the majority or significant portions of pakistanis to be kaafirs. So whether such kaafirs identify as muslims or pakistanis matter very little in the end.

    And hey your fellow paki friend dsr478 seems to agree with that. I think he said 20% of pakistanis are muslims and 80% are kaafirs.

    So who cares about your stats and articles.
    LoL, no i wasn't trying to impress them and it really doesn't matter what they Brits think of us.
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    Re: Pakistan a Kufr state (like many other so called Muslim nations/states)

    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    I was talking about you, and mods in general, not seeing any consistency from mods like yourself,

    "Power" seems to have gone through to your head,

    Nevermind I intend waste my time responding to silly posts like yours,
    What did you get for GCSE English?

    ?:-|
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