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    Murder of a muslim by another.

    Will the victim being a believer, goes to heaven? What are the Hadis about the fate of the victim in Qiyamah?
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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    The question is unclear, like why would the victim pay consequences ?
    Mix with the noble people, you become one of them; and keep away from evil people so that you protect yourself from their evils.


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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Lark View Post
    The question is unclear, like why would the victim pay consequences ?
    No he's asking if a murdered Muslim was murdered another Muslim, would the victim be forgiven of his sins (by virtue of being murdered) and thus attain jannah?

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Are you asking if they would be a martyr?

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    The Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said: There are seven types of martyrdom in addition to being killed in Allah's cause: one who dies of plague is a martyr; one who is drowned is a martyr; one who dies of pleurisy is a martyr; one who dies of an internal complaint is a martyr; one who is burnt to death is a martyr; who one is killed by a building falling on him is a martyr; and a woman who dies while pregnant is a martyr.
    https://sunnah.com/abudawud/21/23

    The Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) said: He who is killed while protecting his property is a martyr, and he who is killed while defending his family, or his blood, or his religion is a martyr.
    https://sunnah.com/abudawud/42/177

    Narrated Al-Ahnaf bin Qais:
    While I was going to help this man ('Ali Ibn Abi Talib), Abu Bakra met me and asked, "Where are you going?" I replied, "I am going to help that person." He said, "Go back for I have heard Allah's Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) saying, 'When two Muslims fight (meet) each other with their swords, both the murderer as well as the murdered will go to the Hell-fire.' I said, 'O Allah's Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم)! It is all right for the murderer but what about the murdered one?' Allah's Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم) replied, "He surely had the intention to kill his companion."
    https://sunnah.com/bukhari/2/24

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim Rasheed View Post
    Will the victim being a believer, goes to heaven? What are the Hadis about the fate of the victim in Qiyamah?
    Being a victim doesn't mean the person automatically goes to paradise,

    Anybody killed unjustly will be recompensed on the day of judgement

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morose View Post
    No he's asking if a murdered Muslim was murdered another Muslim, would the victim be forgiven of his sins (by virtue of being murdered) and thus attain jannah?
    That's not how it works,

    We don't get a ticket to jannah and our sins wiped because we become a victim,

    False assumptions

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim Rasheed View Post
    Will the victim being a believer, goes to heaven? What are the Hadis about the fate of the victim in Qiyamah?
    depends on what type of believer he is

    a non-practicing muslim is not guaranteed forgiveness and it is feared that the 'murder' can be just the beginning of divine punishment, but it can be hoped it will serve as a purger of his sins

    hadith says if two muslims fight one another then the killed and the killer both go to hell, so if he had intention to kill his murderer too then unfortunately it will happen as the hadith says, but still we do not despair and hope for his forgiveness

    a practicing muslim [who was just defending himself or not fighting back; no intention to murder his opponent too] is martyred!

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    I will be more specific. A muslim women is murdered by unknown assailants. Not in a fight between two muslims. If so what is the ruling for murdered victim.
    Last edited by Ibrahim Rasheed; 11-04-17 at 05:46 AM. Reason: Spelling.

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salaam786 View Post
    1. depends on what type of believer he is
    She is a muslim women, murdered during her sleep.
    a practicing muslim [who was just defending himself or not fighting back; no intention to murder his opponent too] is martyred!
    Can you get me any Hadiz on this issue if available?
    Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners ... turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim Rasheed View Post
    She is a muslim women, murdered during her sleep.


    Can you get me any Hadiz on this issue if available?
    According to Imam Abu Hanifa (may Allah be pleased with him), a Muslim who is killed for unjust and illegal reasons with a lethal weapon (such as a knife or gun), then the victim will be considered a martyr (shaheed).

    Regarding two Muslims fighting, he (peace be upon him) said:

    When two Muslims draw their swords at each other, the killer and the killed will both be in the Hellfire. Abu Bakrah (the narrator) asked, I or someone else asked, Oh Messenger of Allah, that is the [fate of the] killer, but why the one killed? So he (peace be upon him) replied, Indeed, he too intended to kill his companion. [Muslim, Sahih]

    http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2010/...ered-a-martyr/


    the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: "One who is killed while defending himself, i.e. as a victim of injustice, is also a martyr". [Ahmad and al-Nasai]

    http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/in...twaId&Id=83878


    hadith also says, if muslim comes to you to kill you be like the son of Adam [i.e, dont fight back and let him kill you]
    Last edited by Salaam786; 11-04-17 at 04:17 PM.

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim Rasheed View Post
    She is a muslim women, murdered during her sleep.
    Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi wa rajioun may ALlah give her jannah ameen

    inshALlah it can be hoped she is shaheed!

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim Rasheed View Post
    I will be more specific. A muslim women is murdered by unknown assailants. Not in a fight between two muslims. If so what is the ruling for murdered victim.
    إِنَّا للهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعونَ

    She will be recompensed by Allah عز و جل on the day or judgement and إِن*شَاءَ اَللّٰه she will enter Jannah,

    None of us can say with guarantee that we won't enter Jahannam, because we are killed unjustly,

    Unless somone can show us with a Hadith that becoming a victim means you are guaranteed Jannah, with no punishments for any of your sins in the Akhira,

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim Rasheed View Post
    I will be more specific. A muslim women is murdered by unknown assailants. Not in a fight between two muslims. If so what is the ruling for murdered victim.
    Brother the important thing is not being shaheed, but her going to jannah!

    if she was practing then inshALlah it can be hoped she is in jannah!; make lots of dua for her nonetheless!

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim Rasheed View Post
    I will be more specific. A muslim women is murdered by unknown assailants. Not in a fight between two muslims. If so what is the ruling for murdered victim.
    According to Imam Abu Hanifa (may Allah be pleased with him), a Muslim who is killed for unjust and illegal reasons with a lethal weapon (such as a knife or gun), then the victim will be considered a martyr (shaheed).

    above statement is enough to conclude she is martyred, but still we must pray for her salvation from jahannum and entry into jannah as we cannot be certain of her martyrdom [she apparently is a martyr so we can call her that] as martyrdom is based on state of heart and only Allah knows that
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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrahim Rasheed View Post
    Will the victim being a believer, goes to heaven? What are the Hadis about the fate of the victim in Qiyamah?
    Narrated Ibn Mas'ud:
    that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Verbally abusing a Muslim is disobedience and fighting him is disbelief."



    Sa'd bin Abi Waqas told us that:
    The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Fighting a Muslim is Kufr and defaming him is evildoing."

    It was narrated that Abu Bakrah said:
    "The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: 'If two Muslims fight with swords, and one of them kills the other, then the killer and the slain will both be in Hell.'





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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Salaam Alaikum.

    I thank everyone for the comments on the subject. Jazak Allah Khairan.
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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by candyapple View Post
    Narrated Ibn Mas'ud:
    that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Verbally abusing a Muslim is disobedience and fighting him is disbelief."



    Sa'd bin Abi Waqas told us that:
    The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Fighting a Muslim is Kufr and defaming him is evildoing."

    It was narrated that Abu Bakrah said:
    "The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: 'If two Muslims fight with swords, and one of them kills the other, then the killer and the slain will both be in Hell.'





    MaashALlah jzk sis for them,

    however let me provide some context just for begginners!

    Muslims fight every day dont they? gang fights, mad fights village fights, etc etc, , so do they turn kuffar; nah so it must mean that one who fights a muslim for his religion!!!!

    and two muslims fighting, that one would mean both fighting for unjust reason!

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salaam786 View Post
    According to Imam Abu Hanifa (may Allah be pleased with him), a Muslim who is killed for unjust and illegal reasons with a lethal weapon (such as a knife or gun), then the victim will be considered a martyr (shaheed).

    above statement is enough to conclude she is martyred...
    Please provide the source.

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    Please provide the source.
    i already did a few posts above

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salaam786 View Post


    hadith also says, if muslim comes to you to kill you be like the son of Adam [i.e, dont fight back and let him kill you]
    Where did you read that?

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salaam786 View Post
    According to Imam Abu Hanifa (may Allah be pleased with him), a Muslim who is killed for unjust and illegal reasons with a lethal weapon (such as a knife or gun), then the victim will be considered a martyr (shaheed).

    above statement is enough to conclude she is martyred
    I didn't know Abu Haneefah's statements have now become a hujjah in the deen...oh wait.
    You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

    You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    Where did you read that?
    The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Before the Last Hour there will be commotions like pieces of a dark night in which a man will be a believer in the morning and an infidel in the evening, or a believer in the evening and infidel in the morning. He who sits during them will be better than he who gets up and he who walks during them is better than he who runs. So break your bows, cut your bowstrings and strike your swords on stones. If people then come in to one of you, let him be like the better of Adam's two sons.

    إِنَّ بَيْنَ يَدَىِ السَّاعَةِ فِتَنًا كَقِطَعِ اللَّيْلِ الْمُظْلِمِ يُصْبِحُ الرَّجُلُ فِيهَا مُؤْمِنًا وَيُمْسِي كَافِرًا وَيُمْسِي مُؤْمِنًا وَيُصْبِحُ كَافِرًا الْقَاعِدُ فِيهَا خَيْرٌ مِنَ الْقَائِمِ وَالْمَاشِي فِيهَا خَيْرٌ مِنَ السَّاعِي فَكَسِّرُوا قِسِيَّكُمْ وَقَطِّعُوا أَوْتَارَكُمْ وَاضْرِبُوا سُيُوفَكُمْ بِالْحِجَارَةِ فَإِنْ دُخِلَ - يَعْنِي عَلَى أَحَدٍ مِنْكُمْ - فَلْيَكُنْ كَخَيْرِ ابْنَىْ آدَمَ ‏

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    https://sunnah.com/abudawud/37/20
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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
    I didn't know Abu Haneefah's statements have now become a hujjah in the deen...oh wait.
    what do you say to a OP who doesn't specify any school of thought he follows?; a trustworthy opinion of any great imam is enough!

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    Where did you read that?

    Imams Ahmad, Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi have reported the following on the authority of Sa’d ibn Abi Waqqs (may Allah be pleased with him) who was present at the time of the fitnah which took place when the Caliph ‘Uthmn ibn ‘Affn (may Allah be pleased with him) was murdered. He said: “I bear witness that the Prophet (may the Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) said,

    ‘There will be Fitnah very soon. The one who sat down during it will be better than the one who is standing. Similarly, the one who is standing will be better than the one who was walking. And the one who is walking will be better than the one who is running.’ Sa’d (may Allah be pleased with him) said, ‘Tell me what I should do when if someone enters my home and wants to kill me?’ The Prophet replied, ‘Be like the son of Adam.’”

    In another version of the same hadith, it says: “Be like the better of the two sons of Adam.” (Ahmad, vol 1, p 169; Abu Dawood, kitb al-Fitan, Bb an-Nahie an as-Sa’ee fi al-Fitna. Imam Muslim, Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi and Ibn Mjah all reported this hadith on the authority of Abu Dharr)

    http://www.islamicstories.com/story/122

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salaam786 View Post
    what do you say to a OP who doesn't specify any school of thought he follows?; a trustworthy opinion of any great imam is enough!
    The Qur'an and sunnah doesn't talk about following school of thoughts.

    Regardless, it is not enough in any way.
    You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

    You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salaam786 View Post
    Imams Ahmad, Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi have reported the following on the authority of Sa’d ibn Abi Waqqs (may Allah be pleased with him) who was present at the time of the fitnah which took place when the Caliph ‘Uthmn ibn ‘Affn (may Allah be pleased with him) was murdered. He said: “I bear witness that the Prophet (may the Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) said,

    ‘There will be Fitnah very soon. The one who sat down during it will be better than the one who is standing. Similarly, the one who is standing will be better than the one who was walking. And the one who is walking will be better than the one who is running.’ Sa’d (may Allah be pleased with him) said, ‘Tell me what I should do when if someone enters my home and wants to kill me?’ The Prophet replied, ‘Be like the son of Adam.’”

    In another version of the same hadith, it says: “Be like the better of the two sons of Adam.” (Ahmad, vol 1, p 169; Abu Dawood, kitb al-Fitan, Bb an-Nahie an as-Sa’ee fi al-Fitna. Imam Muslim, Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi and Ibn Mjah all reported this hadith on the authority of Abu Dharr)

    http://www.islamicstories.com/story/122
    Quote Originally Posted by Salaam786 View Post
    The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Before the Last Hour there will be commotions like pieces of a dark night in which a man will be a believer in the morning and an infidel in the evening, or a believer in the evening and infidel in the morning. He who sits during them will be better than he who gets up and he who walks during them is better than he who runs. So break your bows, cut your bowstrings and strike your swords on stones. If people then come in to one of you, let him be like the better of Adam's two sons.

    إِنَّ بَيْنَ يَدَىِ السَّاعَةِ فِتَنًا كَقِطَعِ اللَّيْلِ الْمُظْلِمِ يُصْبِحُ الرَّجُلُ فِيهَا مُؤْمِنًا وَيُمْسِي كَافِرًا وَيُمْسِي مُؤْمِنًا وَيُصْبِحُ كَافِرًا الْقَاعِدُ فِيهَا خَيْرٌ مِنَ الْقَائِمِ وَالْمَاشِي فِيهَا خَيْرٌ مِنَ السَّاعِي فَكَسِّرُوا قِسِيَّكُمْ وَقَطِّعُوا أَوْتَارَكُمْ وَاضْرِبُوا سُيُوفَكُمْ بِالْحِجَارَةِ فَإِنْ دُخِلَ - يَعْنِي عَلَى أَحَدٍ مِنْكُمْ - فَلْيَكُنْ كَخَيْرِ ابْنَىْ آدَمَ ‏

    Sunan Abi Dawud 4259

    Sahih (Al-Albani)

    https://sunnah.com/abudawud/37/20

    The scholars have explained that hadith. They have explained it keeping in mind the following hadith:


    It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that:

    A man came to the Messenger of Allah () and said: "O Messenger of Allah, what do you think if someone comes to steal my wealth?" He said: "Urge him by Allah." He said: "What if he persists?" He said: "Urge him by Allah." He said: "What if he persists?" He said: "Urge him by Allah." He said: "What if he persists?" He said: "Then fight. If you are killed you will be in Paradise and if you kill him, he will be in the Fire."

    [Sunan al-Nasaa'i Hadith No. 4083]


    Have you read the explanation?

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

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    The scholars have explained that hadith. They have explained it keeping in mind the following hadith:


    It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that:

    A man came to the Messenger of Allah () and said: "O Messenger of Allah, what do you think if someone comes to steal my wealth?" He said: "Urge him by Allah." He said: "What if he persists?" He said: "Urge him by Allah." He said: "What if he persists?" He said: "Urge him by Allah." He said: "What if he persists?" He said: "Then fight. If you are killed you will be in Paradise and if you kill him, he will be in the Fire."

    [Sunan al-Nasaa'i Hadith No. 4083]


    Have you read the explanation?
    yeah i've read the explanation, however it's by unverified sources that site; it even says Habil probably fought kabil in defense!

    the hadith you mentioned is obviously about someone trying to nab your property; we know that Usman Gani [ra] never fought the muslims that came to kill him ...

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    The Qur'an and sunnah doesn't talk about following school of thoughts.

    Regardless, it is not enough in any way.
    so a person comes here for answer and we're going to have a whole debate about which opinion is right [as if we laymen can figure that out anyway] and this brother is to judge who is right just to get his answer???; he'll probably go more confused then when he came here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salaam786 View Post
    so a person comes here for answer and we're going to have a whole debate about which opinion is right [as if we laymen can figure that out anyway] and this brother is to judge who is right just to get his answer???; he'll probably go more confused then when he came here!
    .
    Your calculation of the probability is irrelevant.
    You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

    You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
    .
    Your calculation of the probability is irrelevant.
    either that or misguided bro; see:

    http://shaykhhamza.com/transcript/Fa...owing-a-Madhab

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salaam786 View Post
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    The heretic who denies the obligation of establishing the shari'ah and mocks it.

    Irrelevant indeed your calculation is.
    You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

    You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
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    The heretic who denies the obligation of establishing the shari'ah and mocks it.

    Irrelevant indeed your calculation is.
    he only translated the fatwa of Imam Murabtal Hajj, one of the greatest Scholars of this age!!!

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

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    he only translated the fatwa of Imam Murabtal Hajj, one of the greatest Scholars of this age!!!
    Do you know the hadith about some scholars being more dangerous to this Ummah than the Dajjaal?

    Are you actually going to defend any man, regardless of his "status", if he says that Islamic legislation cannot be implemented today?

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salaam786 View Post
    yeah i've read the explanation, however it's by unverified sources that site; it even says Habil probably fought kabil in defense!

    the hadith you mentioned is obviously about someone trying to nab your property; we know that Usman Gani [ra] never fought the muslims that came to kill him ...
    It is not limited to property.


    وقال القرطبي في التفسير عند الآية 34 من سورة المائدة: مذهب ابن عمر والحسن البصري وإبراهيم النخعي وقتادة ومالك والشافعي وأحمد وإسحاق والنعمان، وبهذا يقول عوام أهل العلم أن للرجل أن يقاتل عن نفسه وأهله وماله إذا أريد ظلما، للأخبار التي جاءت عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لم يخص وقتاً دون وقت، ولا حالاً دون حال إلا السلطان


    al-Qurtubi said in his Tafsiir of Verse 34 of Suurah al-Maa'idah:


    [Paraphrase] The Madhab of Ibn Umar, al-Hasan al-Basri, Ibraahiim al-Nakh'ii, Qataadah, Maalik, al-Shaafi'i, 'Ahmad, 'Ishaaq, al-Nu'maan (and the masses from among the people of knowledge have adhered to this view) is that a person has the right to fight on his behalf, his family, and his wealth based on the narrations which have come to us from the Prophet of Allaah () which have not specified any specific time to the exclusion of any other nor any specific state to the exclusion of any other except the Sultaan.

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    It is not limited to property.


    وقال القرطبي في التفسير عند الآية 34 من سورة المائدة: مذهب ابن عمر والحسن البصري وإبراهيم النخعي وقتادة ومالك والشافعي وأحمد وإسحاق والنعمان، وبهذا يقول عوام أهل العلم أن للرجل أن يقاتل عن نفسه وأهله وماله إذا أريد ظلما، للأخبار التي جاءت عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لم يخص وقتاً دون وقت، ولا حالاً دون حال إلا السلطان


    al-Qurtubi said in his Tafsiir of Verse 34 of Suurah al-Maa'idah:


    [Paraphrase] The Madhab of Ibn Umar, al-Hasan al-Basri, Ibraahiim al-Nakh'ii, Qataadah, Maalik, al-Shaafi'i, 'Ahmad, 'Ishaaq, al-Nu'maan (and the masses from among the people of knowledge have adhered to this view) is that a person has the right to fight on his behalf, his family, and his wealth based on the narrations which have come to us from the Prophet of Allaah () which have not specified any specific time to the exclusion of any other nor any specific state to the exclusion of any other except the Sultaan.
    ofcourse bro we have right for self defense but just saying that 'being like the son of Adam' might be the better option

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    Re: Murder of a muslim by another.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    Do you know the hadith about some scholars being more dangerous to this Ummah than the Dajjaal?

    Are you actually going to defend any man, regardless of his "status", if he says that Islamic legislation cannot be implemented today?
    yes ofcourse 'Scholars' can call to the gates of hell too, but the question is, which one's are??

    bro, ive listened to Shaykh hamza Yusufs talks for ages ... he has sound intellecutal basis behind whatever he says; it only takes us to understand the deeper meaning of what he's saying and in context, then it dont seem so contreversial as it apperantly could

    i think your reffering to him saying that shariah cannot be implemented today in the west as you need lifestyle to change first, otherwise everyone will get their hand cut off! ; there's nothing wrong with that and he's right. we really need to apply aql to naql bro; thats not only Shaykh Hamza's way but ahlus sunnahs way too!

 

 

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