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    does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    :

    as per thread title, just curious does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    this thread isnt about whether its permissible or not

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simply_Logical View Post
    interesting...
    Yes very....
    Let not your love be infatuation and let not your hatred be destruction.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    I have.
    Really!

    Who is your Shaykh and his silsila ?

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    @Hassaan Naqshbandi can you share your experiences of bayah and how life has been since doing bayah

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    @Simply_Logical
    Assalam u Alaikum. Thanks for mentioning me on this thread.
    Bayah is done because we are unable to understand Islam. Then the Shaykh to whom we give bayah shows us the way how practise Islam and not just read it. For example, reading the Quran is not enough, implementing it in our lives is important. Shaykhs give us moral support and explain Islam to us in the best way. Doing bayah is not obligatory but it is a Sunnah of the Holy Prophet SAW.
    I had done bayah because I was very confused about Islam. So many sects, etc, etc. Many people were trying to impose their sects views on me so I was very much confused. Then someone suggested me to do bayah of a Shaykh or Sufi Master. I said that only Barelwis give their bay'ah to Shaykhs and not Deobandis. I am myself a Sunni Deobandi. He said you are wrong that Deobandis are not Sufi but in reality they are true Sufis and do everything according to the Shariah as the great Aulia Allah had adhered to Shariah. Then I did some research on Sufi silsilas and Naqshbandiya silsila attracted me. In fact every silsila attracted me but Naqshbandiya had some personalities on whom Islam owes a great debt. The main personality is Sayyidina Siddiq e Akbar r.z. "But for Abu Bakr r.z, Islam would have perished". Then a great scholar of his time Jafar Sadiq r.h is also in this silsilas shajra. Then a great Sufi of his time Hazrat Bayazid Bastami r.h is also in the great silsila e Aaliya Naqshbandia. And the undisputed reviver of the 2nd millennium, Mujaddid e Alf e Sani r.h was in this great spiritual silsila too. I was very much influenced by this silsila. Then I did ba'yah of this silsila to the great Sufi of our times, Shaykh Zulfiqar Ahmad Naqshbandi d.b. During my research on tasawwuf, I also found a great silsila attributed to Hakeem al Ummah Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi r.h, Silsila e Ashrafia-Imdadia. The present day Khalifa of this silsila is Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani d.b. I wanted to give bay'ah to him personally on his hands but I was not so lucky. So I did his ba'yah though ba'yat e Usmani. Ba'yat e Usmani means giving ba'yat to a shaykh through an agent or through letter. I did ba'yat through letter.
    When I was giving ba'yat to Shaykh Zulfiqar Naqshbandi d.b, I was repeating the words Shaykh Sahib d.b was reciting(I don't remember those words). Then I said some words in urdu:
    MAIN SYED HASSAAN ALI SHAH PEER ZULFIQAR AHMAD NAQSHBANDI KI BA'YAT KARTA HOON AUR KHUD KO SILSILA E ALIA NAQSHBANDIYA MUJADDIDIYA SE JOR RAHA HOON
    He accepted my ba'yah.
    Mufti Taqi Usmani also accepted my ba'yah.
    So in my Sufi name is Hassaan Naqshbandi Mujaddidi Ashrafi Imdadi Usmani.
    For short, Hassaan Naqshbandi Ashrafi Usmani.
    For even more short name, just Hassaan Naqshbandi.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassaan Naqshbandi View Post
    @Simply_Logical
    Assalam u Alaikum. Thanks for mentioning me on this thread.
    Bayah is done because we are unable to understand Islam. Then the Shaykh to whom we give bayah shows us the way how practise Islam and not just read it. For example, reading the Quran is not enough, implementing it in our lives is important. Shaykhs give us moral support and explain Islam to us in the best way. Doing bayah is not obligatory but it is a Sunnah of the Holy Prophet SAW.
    I had done bayah because I was very confused about Islam. So many sects, etc, etc. Many people were trying to impose their sects views on me so I was very much confused. Then someone suggested me to do bayah of a Shaykh or Sufi Master. I said that only Barelwis give their bay'ah to Shaykhs and not Deobandis. I am myself a Sunni Deobandi. He said you are wrong that Deobandis are not Sufi but in reality they are true Sufis and do everything according to the Shariah as the great Aulia Allah had adhered to Shariah. Then I did some research on Sufi silsilas and Naqshbandiya silsila attracted me. In fact every silsila attracted me but Naqshbandiya had some personalities on whom Islam owes a great debt. The main personality is Sayyidina Siddiq e Akbar r.z. "But for Abu Bakr r.z, Islam would have perished". Then a great scholar of his time Jafar Sadiq r.h is also in this silsilas shajra. Then a great Sufi of his time Hazrat Bayazid Bastami r.h is also in the great silsila e Aaliya Naqshbandia. And the undisputed reviver of the 2nd millennium, Mujaddid e Alf e Sani r.h was in this great spiritual silsila too. I was very much influenced by this silsila. Then I did ba'yah of this silsila to the great Sufi of our times, Shaykh Zulfiqar Ahmad Naqshbandi d.b. During my research on tasawwuf, I also found a great silsila attributed to Hakeem al Ummah Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi r.h, Silsila e Ashrafia-Imdadia. The present day Khalifa of this silsila is Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani d.b. I wanted to give bay'ah to him personally on his hands but I was not so lucky. So I did his ba'yah though ba'yat e Usmani. Ba'yat e Usmani means giving ba'yat to a shaykh through an agent or through letter. I did ba'yat through letter.
    When I was giving ba'yat to Shaykh Zulfiqar Naqshbandi d.b, I was repeating the words Shaykh Sahib d.b was reciting(I don't remember those words). Then I said some words in urdu:
    MAIN SYED HASSAAN ALI SHAH PEER ZULFIQAR AHMAD NAQSHBANDI KI BA'YAT KARTA HOON AUR KHUD KO SILSILA E ALIA NAQSHBANDIYA MUJADDIDIYA SE JOR RAHA HOON
    He accepted my ba'yah.
    Mufti Taqi Usmani also accepted my ba'yah.
    So in my Sufi name is Hassaan Naqshbandi Mujaddidi Ashrafi Imdadi Usmani.
    For short, Hassaan Naqshbandi Ashrafi Usmani.
    For even more short name, just Hassaan Naqshbandi.
    so how long have you been doing bayah for?

    has it had any positive changes to your life? you saying it makes you understand islam easier? (thats the impression i got from your post)

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simply_Logical View Post
    so how long have you been doing bayah for?

    has it had any positive changes to your life? you saying it makes you understand islam easier? (thats the impression i got from your post)
    yeah
    Yeah Man, very positive change in my life. I feel that now I am now more closer to Islam. Before that my views were very liberal and secular and I hated great personalities like Molana Haq Nawaz Jhangvi r.h, Eisar ul Qasmi r.h, Zia ur Rahman Farooqi r.h, Azam Tariq r.h, Ali Sher Haidari r.h, etc. Now I love all of them and only due to them I at last came to know the whole story of shia hypocrisy.
    About more than an year have passed since I have done ba'yah of silsilas of tasawwuf. I can also notice the change in my intellect level. Now I feel much intelligent than before.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassaan Naqshbandi View Post
    yeah
    Yeah Man, very positive change in my life. I feel that now I am now more closer to Islam. Before that my views were very liberal and secular and I hated great personalities like Molana Haq Nawaz Jhangvi r.h, Eisar ul Qasmi r.h, Zia ur Rahman Farooqi r.h, Azam Tariq r.h, Ali Sher Haidari r.h, etc. Now I love all of them and only due to them I at last came to know the whole story of shia hypocrisy.
    About more than an year have passed since I have done ba'yah of silsilas of tasawwuf. I can also notice the change in my intellect level. Now I feel much intelligent than before.
    can i ask how comes you done bayah with two shaykhs? i thought you could only do it with one

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassaan Naqshbandi View Post
    ...So in my Sufi name is Hassaan Naqshbandi Mujaddidi Ashrafi Imdadi Usmani...
    That cracked me up (sorry) but I want a SUFI name too.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    That cracked me up (sorry) but I want a SUFI name too.
    You are a Sufi too!!
    Nice to meet you.
    To whom have you given bay'ah? Who is your Shaykh?
    Quote Originally Posted by Simply_Logical
    can i ask how comes you done bayah with two shaykhs? i thought you could only do it with one

    Yeah brother, you can give bay'ah to more than one Shaykh but the Shaykh must be a good Muslim and lives according to Sunnah.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassaan Naqshbandi View Post
    You are a Sufi too!!
    Nice to meet you.
    To whom have you given bay'ah? Who is your Shaykh?
    He is not a Sufi.
    You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

    You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
    He is not a Sufi.
    His profile is showing he is a Sufi Hanafi.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassaan Naqshbandi View Post
    His profile is showing he is a Sufi Hanafi.
    So?
    You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

    You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassaan Naqshbandi View Post
    His profile is showing he is a Sufi Hanafi.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
    So?
    So it means he is a Sufi.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassaan Naqshbandi View Post
    So it means he is a Sufi.
    No it does not because he's not a Sufi.
    You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

    You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    @Linkdeutscher
    So he is a fool that he had without any reason put Sufi Hanafi with his name?

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassaan Naqshbandi View Post
    @Linkdeutscher
    So he is a fool that he had without any reason put Sufi Hanafi with his name?
    No, he put it for a reason, but you don't know the reason.
    You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

    You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    @Abu 'Abdullaah
    Oh please brother tell us that are you Sufi or not?

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassaan Naqshbandi View Post
    @Abu 'Abdullaah
    Oh please brother tell us that are you Sufi or not?
    I try to be.

    :*-(

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    I try to be.

    :*-(
    Haven't you done bayah of a Shaykh?

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassaan Naqshbandi View Post
    Haven't you done bayah of a Shaykh?
    Haven't you read the thread?

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    Haven't you read the thread?
    So you have given bayah?

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hassaan Naqshbandi View Post
    So you have given bayah?
    So you have read the thread?

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    I try to be.

    :*-(
    Haha

    Eat more curry Pakistani. Too much curry turns a Pakistani Sufi.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simply_Logical View Post
    :

    as per thread title, just curious does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    this thread isnt about whether its permissible or not
    if im leaning something like hadith or fiq etc then yes i pledge to be with one and learn off him but my ustaad got assassinated so i dont have one atm but i still go over what i did learn from him.

    just in case i get asked, no i am not sufi or any other sect other than just alhlul sunnah and i dont associate with peers and not in the sect where they dress up green etc they bayat was to just a oath to learn with commitment
    Last edited by babadods; 24-04-17 at 10:27 AM.

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    Re: does anyone on the forum do bayah with a shaykh?

    50/50
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    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

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