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    The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Just learned today that a shrine was erected over the alleged grave of the killer of Umar , Abu Lu'lu'ah in the eleventh century. On the walls of the Shrine it's written in Farsi, "Marg bar Abu Bakr, marg bar Umar, marg bar Uthman" meaning "Death to Abu Bakr, death to Umar, Death to Uthman"[1]. After a request was made by International Union of Muslim Scholars to destroy the shrine, the iranians protested.

    "Imagine the Germans asking Britain to destroy the graves of the brains behind the British plan to kill Hitler [Operation Foxley] during WWII, sine it is considered an insult to Protestants - would the British accept that? - the murder of Omar by Firuz[an] wasn't to do with religion, it was simply removing a despot and a tyrant from the face of the earth - as the British wanted to do the same with Hitler", said N. one of the protestors outside the governor's office in Kashan.[2]
    They also titled him Baba Suja ad-Deen (The one who's brave for his religion)[3].According to some report the shrine was shut down in 2007. But the shiites still praises him, celebrates the death of Umar and considers it a historical place.

    [1]Umar ibn Al-Khattab: His Life and Times, Dr. Ali Muhammad Sallabi, p. 403
    [2]http://www.cais-soas.com/News/2007/June2007/28-06.htm
    [3]Melville, Charles Peter, ed. (1996). Safavid Persia: the history and politics of an Islamic society (PDF) (illustrated ed.). I.B. Tauris. p. 161. ISBN 9781860640230.
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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    That is someone else. No one knows exactly who he is. Most likely it is a shrine of a Sufi. As the last news I know his shrine has become a police camp nowadays to prevent sectarian fitnas who may be made by ignorant Muslims. Those minority of filthy stupid Shias or whoever they are who make such fitnas are either ignorant or they are agents of colonialists for making sectarian wars, false flags, propaganda. However this story is a bit old, puppets of colonialists wanted sectarian wars so they needed such false flags and fitnas at that time. The same that ISIS members themselves confessed that they would ruin mosques and would write on it's walls that "there is no God but Assad !" naudhubillah as a false flag. They are either ignorant or agents of colonialists.
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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by ALAS View Post
    That is someone else. No one knows exactly who he is. Most likely it is a shrine of a Sufi. As the last news I know his shrine has become a police camp nowadays to prevent sectarian fitnas who may be made by ignorant Muslims. Those minority of filthy stupid Shias or whoever they are who make such fitnas are either ignorant or they are agents of colonialists for making sectarian wars, false flags, propaganda. However this story is a bit old, puppets of colonialists wanted sectarian wars so they needed such false flags and fitnas at that time. The same that ISIS members themselves confessed that they would ruin mosques and would write on it's walls that "there is no God but Assad !" naudhubillah as a false flag. They are either ignorant or agents of colonialists.
    Yeah, your friends over shiachat praise Abu Lu'lu'ah heavily and hold him on very high esteem.

    http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/...ut-why/?page=1
    http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/...omment-2930600

    May Allah (swt) rest his soul in peace. For he has done a great job.
    Please recite surah fateha for the pious and holy soul of hazrat ameer Abu Lulu (may Allah be pleased with him)
    A 'sensible' shia's response to the statement
    Surely , whatever you believe or think, at least employ taqqiyah ? This is an open forum and frequented by many sunni brothers/sisters
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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by bhshawon View Post
    Yeah, your friends over shiachat praise Abu Lu'lu'ah heavily and hold him on very high esteem.
    http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/...ut-why/?page=1
    http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/...omment-2930600
    Yeah I know, this is the belief of extremist Shias or those who are naive or ignorant to believe everything.
    Those who have not even one Sahih hadith to prove their claims and they are just relying on some unreliable reports of ghulats of Shia. They poor people think that the terrorist (Abululu) was a Shia (follower) of Ali ! Books and articles are written in Persian to fight with these superstitions of those minority of Shias. They are Shia(follower) of superstitions. Such people have been always existed among every group.

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by ALAS View Post
    Yeah I know, this is the belief of extremist Shias or those who are naive or ignorant to believe everything.
    Those who have not even one Sahih hadith to prove their claims and they are just relying on some unreliable reports of ghulats of Shia. They poor people think that the terrorist (Abululu) was a Shia (follower) of Ali ! Books and articles are written in Persian to fight with these superstitions of those minority of Shias. They are Shia(follower) of superstitions. Such people have been always existed among every group.
    If you don't have the beliefs, this thread is not directed at you.

    Cursing Abu Bakr/Umar/Aisha goes against our core beliefs so whoever does this, I'm very sectarian against him.

    Here's a paradox, how do I know that you're not applying taqqiyiah?
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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by bhshawon View Post
    If you don't have the beliefs, this thread is not directed at you.

    Cursing Abu Bakr/Umar/Aisha goes against our core beliefs so whoever does this, I'm very sectarian against him.

    Here's a paradox, how do I know that you're not applying taqqiyiah?

    Given the consistent narrative he spins everyday Painting Shiism as above everything said or posted or attributed to it, always presenting a defense, providing the notion that there are pious righteous believers among them who are merely misunderstood if Muslims would accept them, the answer would appear that this is his "Dawah" to maintain he narrative regardless of what is presented here.

    And like someone I knew like him, what he says here is a duty he feels to his religion. But like the one I knew, he maintained a toxic antipathy that he spewed elsewhere, in secret and private, or now in anonymity online.
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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by bhshawon View Post
    If you don't have the beliefs, this thread is not directed at you.
    Cursing Abu Bakr/Umar/Aisha goes against our core beliefs so whoever does this, I'm very sectarian against him.
    Here's a paradox, how do I know that you're not applying taqqiyiah?
    This is natural when someone insults your beliefs this shows that he has no logic in front of you instead of insulting. If someone insults my beliefs I will feel the same too.

    The true beliefs of every school of thought can be asked from their true scholars and ulama and one can not read the minds of people and people can only be judged apparently.

    For sure the beliefs of Sunnies and Shias regarding caliphate are controversial but if any Shia claims that he is following Ali while this is a huge claim, he can never accuse Ali ibn abi Talib to terrorism for power or other things ! Ali ibn abi Talib spent his life for unity and preserving Ummah from fitnas and destruction. Even he tried his best to prevent the assassination of the third caliph and those fitnas.

    Ali himself was assassinated by a dumb fanatic khariji. A khariji who was standing days and nights in reading Quran, prayers and prostrating but that khariji never understood the meaning and he killed the truth by his sword. Ali himself was a victim of such ignorant fanatics. That khariji killed the body of Ali and these ignorant so called Shias kill the reputation of Ali by accusing him to terrorism without any evidence.

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by ALAS View Post
    That is someone else. No one knows exactly who he is. Most likely it is a shrine of a Sufi. As the last news I know his shrine has become a police camp nowadays to prevent sectarian fitnas who may be made by ignorant Muslims. Those minority of filthy stupid Shias or whoever they are who make such fitnas are either ignorant or they are agents of colonialists for making sectarian wars, false flags, propaganda. However this story is a bit old, puppets of colonialists wanted sectarian wars so they needed such false flags and fitnas at that time. The same that ISIS members themselves confessed that they would ruin mosques and would write on it's walls that "there is no God but Assad !" naudhubillah as a false flag. They are either ignorant or agents of colonialists.
    Iran is also a minority?

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by fyi View Post
    Iran is also a minority?
    I was speaking about those minority of extremist Shias who believe in the mentioned superstition.

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    ALAS is a shia daiee and a preacher of taqiyaah and the grave of abi lulua al majoosi is celebrated in iran and people travel from all around iran to visit the grave
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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by ALAS View Post
    I was speaking about those minority of extremist Shias who believe in the mentioned superstition.
    Minority, lol,

    Shiism itself is Kufr
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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by bhshawon View Post
    Just learned today that a shrine was erected over the alleged grave of the killer of Umar , Abu Lu'lu'ah in the eleventh century. On the walls of the Shrine it's written in Farsi, "Marg bar Abu Bakr, marg bar Umar, marg bar Uthman" meaning "Death to Abu Bakr, death to Umar, Death to Uthman"[1]. After a request was made by International Union of Muslim Scholars to destroy the shrine, the iranians protested.



    They also titled him Baba Suja ad-Deen (The one who's brave for his religion)[3].According to some report the shrine was shut down in 2007. But the shiites still praises him, celebrates the death of Umar and considers it a historical place.

    [1]Umar ibn Al-Khattab: His Life and Times, Dr. Ali Muhammad Sallabi, p. 403
    [2]http://www.cais-soas.com/News/2007/June2007/28-06.htm
    [3]Melville, Charles Peter, ed. (1996). Safavid Persia: the history and politics of an Islamic society (PDF) (illustrated ed.). I.B. Tauris. p. 161. ISBN 9781860640230.
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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Abu Lulu was a Persian slave of Mugheria ibn shoiba . Umar RA was not pleased with him earlier also , and did not like him.

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by bhshawon View Post
    Just learned today that a shrine was erected over the alleged grave of the killer of Umar , Abu Lu'lu'ah in the eleventh century. On the walls of the Shrine it's written in Farsi, "Marg bar Abu Bakr, marg bar Umar, marg bar Uthman" meaning "Death to Abu Bakr, death to Umar, Death to Uthman"[1]. After a request was made by International Union of Muslim Scholars to destroy the shrine, the iranians protested.



    They also titled him Baba Suja ad-Deen (The one who's brave for his religion)[3].According to some report the shrine was shut down in 2007. But the shiites still praises him, celebrates the death of Umar and considers it a historical place.

    [1]Umar ibn Al-Khattab: His Life and Times, Dr. Ali Muhammad Sallabi, p. 403
    [2]http://www.cais-soas.com/News/2007/June2007/28-06.htm
    [3]Melville, Charles Peter, ed. (1996). Safavid Persia: the history and politics of an Islamic society (PDF) (illustrated ed.). I.B. Tauris. p. 161. ISBN 9781860640230.
    The emergence of Shiaism in Persia is linked with Persian nationalism. So it's not a surprise that Iranian shias hold him in high esteem.

    Abu Lulu(la) was a fire-worshipper not an actual shia but Iranian shias consider him to be a shia just because he assassinated Umar(Ra).

    Today, however, you will find that more iranians are flocking to Cyrus-worshippping: http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...ng-cyrus-tomb/

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    http://www.cais-soas.com/News/2007/June2007/28-06.htm

    Most probably Firuzan was a Zoroastrian (by some accounts he was a priest), as the majority of Iranian were at the time of Arab occupation of Iran in 7th century.

    “His [Firuzan] action was in response to atrocities that were committed by Arab-Muslim invaders in Iran, which resulted in massacre, rape, looting of our country – we Iranians never forgot nor forgive their crimes against us”, said one of the protestors.


    During the Safavid era and the rise of Shia Islam to power, the dynasty named him Bābā Shojā ul-Din (the one who is brave in the cause of religion) and claimed that he was a devout Shia and a martyr.


    Another angry protester said: "they say he is not buried here - or some say he wasn't Muslim at all - so what? - as far as we concern this edifice represents him, our faith and resistance against the uncivilised invaders" - and another one added: "if Abu Lolo was an Arab, they would have erect a golden dome on top of his shrine, rather than destroying it - but no, no - they destroy his shrine, just because he was an Iranian - a noble Iranian - this is an insult to Iranian nation".

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Considering he died in madinah doesn't it also make sense he was buried in madinah

    Wouldn't be suprised if it was some shia's dead donkey in that tomb
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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Shia hate Hz Umar RA beyond proper limit

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by ALAS View Post
    That is someone else. No one knows exactly who he is. Most likely it is a shrine of a Sufi. As the last news I know his shrine has become a police camp nowadays to prevent sectarian fitnas who may be made by ignorant Muslims. Those minority of filthy stupid Shias or whoever they are who make such fitnas are either ignorant or they are agents of colonialists for making sectarian wars, false flags, propaganda. However this story is a bit old, puppets of colonialists wanted sectarian wars so they needed such false flags and fitnas at that time. The same that ISIS members themselves confessed that they would ruin mosques and would write on it's walls that "there is no God but Assad !" naudhubillah as a false flag. They are either ignorant or agents of colonialists.
    source plz

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by bhshawon View Post
    Yeah, your friends over shiachat praise Abu Lu'lu'ah heavily and hold him on very high esteem.

    http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/...ut-why/?page=1
    http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/...omment-2930600



    A 'sensible' shia's response to the statement
    true

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by arfatzafar View Post
    source plz
    Source for what for which part !? No one knows who is burid there.
    Note: I am a shia.

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by ALAS View Post
    Source for what for which part !? No one knows who is burid there.
    they would ruinmosques and would write on it's walls that"there is no Godbut Assad !"

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by arfatzafar View Post
    they would ruin mosques and would write on it's walls that"there is no God but Assad !"
    Yeah !
    Here it is:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5NQDvlVIFo

    Please pay attention that this is an interview on a Tunisian TV and Tunis is not a friend of Shias. These are the games orchestrated by the colonialists. Whenever, wherever the enemies (the main and the worst of them are USA, Israel, ... nowadays) clap or smile because of our behaviour, this is the sign that we are on the wrong way. I wish ISIS members would think a second before exploding themselves ! that who is benefited the most from their behaviors.
    Last edited by ALAS; 09-03-17 at 03:10 PM.
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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by bhshawon View Post
    Just learned today that a shrine was erected over the alleged grave of the killer of Umar , Abu Lu'lu'ah in the eleventh century. On the walls of the Shrine it's written in Farsi, "Marg bar Abu Bakr, marg bar Umar, marg bar Uthman" meaning "Death to Abu Bakr, death to Umar, Death to Uthman"[1]. After a request was made by International Union of Muslim Scholars to destroy the shrine, the iranians protested.



    They also titled him Baba Suja ad-Deen (The one who's brave for his religion)[3].According to some report the shrine was shut down in 2007. But the shiites still praises him, celebrates the death of Umar and considers it a historical place.

    [1]Umar ibn Al-Khattab: His Life and Times, Dr. Ali Muhammad Sallabi, p. 403
    [2]http://www.cais-soas.com/News/2007/June2007/28-06.htm
    [3]Melville, Charles Peter, ed. (1996). Safavid Persia: the history and politics of an Islamic society (PDF) (illustrated ed.). I.B. Tauris. p. 161. ISBN 9781860640230.
    Assalam u Alaikum
    The assassin of Syedna Umar e Farooq RZ by Abu lolo Firoz is highly venerated by rawafidh as a saint. His shrine in Iran was constructed under the orders of Safavid King Shah Ismail I in 17th century(1600s). Firoz is not buried in that shrine because its only a symbolic shrine. Rawafidh go to this shrine and make vows.
    Now a Muslim will think that shias do this because according to them Umar RZ killed Hazrat Fatima Zahra RZ but this is not the case.
    They have hatred for Hazrat Umar RZ because it was under his orders that Persia was captured and Islam was introduced there. And there forefathers suffered a humiliating defeat by the Sahabah RZ. That's the main reason. When we compare Majoosiyat and Shiism, there is no difference!! Then comes the role of Abdullah ibn Saba and then Abu lolo firoz. Insha Allah I will tell about Ibn Saba some other day.
    So as the Sahabah RZ conquered their lands they created a sense of hatred for them. This can be seen in Rawafidh today.
    Thank you

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by arfatzafar View Post
    Shia hate Hz Umar RA beyond proper limit
    There is no reason why any Muslim should hate any of the companions(ra), and especially not the rashideen.

    The shias are following a different deen than Islam.

    Abu Sa’eed Al-Khudri reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do not abuse my companions, for if one of you were to spend the weight of mount Uhud in gold it would not surpass a small amount of their charity or even half of that.”

    Source: Sahih Bukhari 3470

    Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Bukhari

    عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِيِّ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قَالَ قَالَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَا تَسُبُّوا أَصْحَابِي فَلَوْ أَنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ أَنْفَقَ مِثْلَ أُحُدٍ ذَهَبًا مَا بَلَغَ مُدَّ أَحَدِهِمْ وَلَا نَصِيفَهُ

    3470 صحيح البخاري كِتَاب فَضَائِلِ الصحابة خرجنا مع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في بعض أسفاره حتى إذا كنا بالبيداء أو بذات الجيش انقطع عقد لي

    So what is the status of the one who says لعنة on the companions(Wa naudhubillahi min dhalik), and says that this cursing is bringing him closer to Allah(swt), and he says that Allah(swt) hates Umar(ra) and others from the companions, including the Prophet's(saw) wives, more than anyone else on earth? He is not upon Islam.
    وَمَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ وَالْأَرْضُ جَمِيعًا قَبْضَتُهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَالسَّمَاوَاتُ مَطْوِيَّاتٌ بِيَمِينِهِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
    They have not appraised Allah with true appraisal, while the earth entirely will be [within] His grip on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Exalted is He and high above what they associate with Him. (Az-Zumar: 67)

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    Re: The shrine of the killer of Umar Ibn al-Khattab: the reality of Shias

    Quote Originally Posted by ALAS View Post
    Yeah !
    Here it is:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5NQDvlVIFo

    Please pay attention that this is an interview on a Tunisian TV and Tunis is not a friend of Shias. These are the games orchestrated by the colonialists. Whenever, wherever the enemies (the main and the worst of them are USA, Israel, ... nowadays) clap or smile because of our behaviour, this is the sign that we are on the wrong way. I wish ISIS members would think a second before exploding themselves ! that who is benefited the most from their behaviors.
    you think mentioning isis as a scape goat makes your stance stronger?? lOOOL

 

 

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