(immediately) pre-Islam arabian religion

[yorkshireman]

Hi all,

Does anyone have any reliable (from historical rather than faith based sites ideally) articles on the main religions in Mecca just prior to Islam, specifically what faith Muhammed was raised in and what sort of split there was between the adherents of the different faiths.

Thanks

Yorkshireman.

[craig]

tried checking on the online encyclopedia? there actually lots of links that could be given, as i'm neither arab nor muslim, i would step back as to allow those that know of this (the info u want that is) to pass this on.

[yorkshireman]

Please fire away craig, it's been over a month and no-one else seems to know.

[Al-Nasser]

a distorted version of the Abrahamic religion.......like what the progressive Muslims are doing now to Islam the Arabs before prophet Muhammed (pbuh) did to the Abrahamic religion.....and maybe in 200 years you will find progressive Muslims worshipping an idol and allow outside marriage sex (sorry..i forgot..they already did that) or allow drinking alcohol (sorry again..they already did that) or denounce praying to God (sorry for the 3rd time).......the same thing happened to the people of Lot for example....their roots go back to the surviors with prophet Noah (pbuh) and in 300 years or something the progressive folk played the same game they play in all ages....no ummah move from beleif to Kufr at once....it take stages...and progressive blah blah is one major stage.

so the pre Islamic Arabians used to do what shias do now (sorry my shia friends....the guy need this for his homework so i got to be honest)..means that they worship God and people and idols (tombs) thinking it get them close to God......so it started when a pious (Abrahamic) Arab died and the believers did one small mistake....they didn't post a silent post in his memory..j/k....they made a statue of him......they respected the statue...loved the statue....worshipped the statue.

i have a great book on the pre Islamic Arabia by Dr. Mohammed Hasanin Haykal...a master piece really.

[Details]

Hi all,

Does anyone have any reliable (from historical rather than faith based sites ideally) articles on the main religions in Mecca just prior to Islam, specifically what faith Muhammed was raised in and what sort of split there was between the adherents of the different faiths.

Thanks

Yorkshireman.

straight historical evidence is hard to come by in relation to muhammed and mecca. altho there does seem to be evidence that muhammed's family (before islam) was sabian. there are ahadith in which muhammed is called a sabian. which might have been a reference to his family. this might also explain the inclusion of the sabians with jews and christians in some of muhammeds conciliatory statements. also, a few islamic scholars have written that the sabians had a great respect for the 'house of god' in mecca.

Arab writers write of the connection between Mohammed and the Sabians (Mandaean)

Abd al Rahman ibn Zayd (d.798 AD) wrote:

"The polytheists used to say of the prophet and his companions "these are the Sabians’ comparing them to them, because the Sabians who live Jaziartal-Mawsil (today known as Iraq) would say ‘there is no God but God’."


Both Ibn Jurayi (d. 767) AND Ata ibn Abi Rabah (d.732) wrote:

"Of the relationship between the Sabians who lived in Sawad (in Iraq ) and Mohammed it is mention that the polytheists of Mecca were heard to say of Mohammed "he has become a Sabian".


Ibn Jurayi (who lived in the 8th century) wrote:

"He (Mohammed) is a Sabian"


Abd al-Rahman ibn Zayd (d798 AD) wrote:

"The prophet and his companions are referred to as 'these are the Sabians' comparing Mohammed to the Sabians"

i think the main religions in that area before islam were zoroastrianism, sabianism, magi-ism(sp?,) judaism and a cpl forms for early christianity (including a gnostic sect.)

[Darth Vader]

straight historical evidence is hard to come by in relation to muhammed and mecca. altho there does seem to be evidence that muhammed's family (before islam) was sabian. there are ahadith in which muhammed is called a sabian. which might have been a reference to his family. this might also explain the inclusion of the sabians with jews and christians in some of muhammeds conciliatory statements. also, a few islamic scholars have written that the sabians had a great respect for the 'house of god' in mecca.


i think the main religions in that area before islam were zoroastrianism, sabianism, magi-ism(sp?,) judaism and a cpl forms for early christianity (including a gnostic sect.)

Oh Hail to the Athiest like you... Poor thing

[Tahiyah]

i did a couple searches York and i didnt come up with much, sorry

i did find this however, and thought it was interesting

http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/pip.htm

[craig]

a distorted version of the Abrahamic religion.......like what the progressive Muslims are doing now to Islam the Arabs before prophet Muhammed (pbuh) did to the Abrahamic religion.....and maybe in 200 years you will find progressive Muslims worshipping an idol and allow outside marriage sex (sorry..i forgot..they already did that) or allow drinking alcohol (sorry again..they already did that) or denounce praying to God (sorry for the 3rd time).......the same thing happened to the people of Lot for example....their roots go back to the surviors with prophet Noah (pbuh) and in 300 years or something the progressive folk played the same game they play in all ages....no ummah move from beleif to Kufr at once....it take stages...and progressive blah blah is one major stage.

so the pre Islamic Arabians used to do what shias do now (sorry my shia friends....the guy need this for his homework so i got to be honest)..means that they worship God and people and idols (tombs) thinking it get them close to God......so it started when a pious (Abrahamic) Arab died and the believers did one small mistake....they didn't post a silent post in his memory..j/k....they made a statue of him......they respected the statue...loved the statue....worshipped the statue.

i have a great book on the pre Islamic Arabia by Dr. Mohammed Hasanin Haykal...a master piece really.

Al-Nasser, i thought abraham was the first muslim?

Stay Blessed

[abdulhakeem]

the following books may give you the information you need - perhaps anyone here has read one of these books and is able to give a comment:

A Chronology Of Islamic History (570-1000 CE)

H.U. RAHMAN
Paper Back 283 Pages

This book list and describes the principle events from the birth of the prophet Muhammad (SAW) in 570 CE to the year 1000 CE(Common or Christian Era) Contemporary events from the history of the Byzantine and Persia empires are also included. Descriptions are purely factual and presented without interpretation or historical analysis, although background information explaining the significance of events is provided where necessary. Precise locations are given for places that may no longer exist or are known by a different name.

This revised edition of the chronology is a unique reference source for schools and university teachers and students. And for the general reader interested in Islamic history and culture.

Concise - Well structured - Excellent for quick reference

£7.00

http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/produc...products_id=93

The Prophet and the Age of the Caliphates: The Islamic Near East from the 6th to the 11th Century (History of the Near East S.)
Hugh Kennedy

Book Description
Based on original Arabic sources, the new edition of this well-established text has been comprehensively revised. The book covers the life of Muhammad and the birth of Islam, through the great days of the Ummayad and Abbasid Caliphates (8th-10th centuries), to the period of political fragmentation which followed it when Islam lost its core unity, never to be recovered.
Synopsis
This history of the Near East covers the life of Muhammed and the birth of Islam, through to the great days of the Ummayad and Abbasic Caliphates (8th-10th centuries), to the period of political fragmentation which followed it when Islam lost its core unity, never to be recovered.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...739843-9018260





perhabs one of at-tabaris books may help you too

i may assume the information needed can be found in one of the first vols.

[Stanley Stunodd]

Hi all,

Does anyone have any reliable (from historical rather than faith based sites ideally) articles on the main religions in Mecca just prior to Islam, specifically what faith Muhammed was raised in and what sort of split there was between the adherents of the different faiths.

Thanks

Yorkshireman.

This might help ???
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/ISLAM/PRE.HTM

[Stanley Stunodd]

Originally Posted by Details
straight historical evidence is hard to come by in relation to muhammed and mecca. altho there does seem to be evidence that muhammed's family (before islam) was sabian. there are ahadith in which muhammed is called a sabian. which might have been a reference to his family. this might also explain the inclusion of the sabians with jews and christians in some of muhammeds conciliatory statements. also, a few islamic scholars have written that the sabians had a great respect for the 'house of god' in mecca.

i think the main religions in that area before islam were zoroastrianism, sabianism, magi-ism(sp?,) judaism and a cpl forms for early christianity (including a gnostic sect.)

Oh Hail to the Athiest like you... Poor thing

Tsk Tsk ! http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/ISLAM/PRE.HTM

[Moayidd]

Al-Nasser, i thought abraham was the first muslim?

Stay Blessed

Hello Craig,

Abraham wasn't the first moslem. They were all moslems. Abraham
was the father of the abramic relgions (judiasm, christianity and Islam).
He was also Ismaeils father, who started the arab line of pre-mohamed (Saaws) prophets.
You may have gotten confused because Jews and moslems both say he is a Jew/Moslem and there was some dispute between them but he wasnt' the first moslem .

Peace,
Moayiidd

[craig]

Hello Craig,

Abraham wasn't the first moslem. They were all moslems. Abraham
was the father of the abramic relgions (judiasm, christianity and Islam).
He was also Ismaeils father, who started the arab line of pre-mohamed (Saaws) prophets.
You may have gotten confused because Jews and moslems both say he is a Jew/Moslem and there was some dispute between them but he wasnt' the first moslem .

Peace,
Moayiidd

Hey M, how you doing?
i wasn't confused, but had convo's with some of my muslim friends and this was their general notion, which i thought, all other muslims shared. also, if Abraham was a muslim, does that make jews & christians muslims as well?

Stay Blessed

[Al-Nasser]

Hey M, how you doing?
i wasn't confused, but had convo's with some of my muslim friends and this was their general notion, which i thought, all other muslims shared. also, if Abraham was a muslim, does that make jews & christians muslims as well?

Stay Blessed

Craig, in Arabic Muslim means "the one who is submissive to God"....so as prophet Moses was submissive to God and God alone, then prophet Moses was a Muslim and as prophet Abraham was submissive to God and God alone, then prophet Abraham was a Muslim and anyone who is submissive to God and God alone is a Muslim......to God alone...no partners...no christ i mean

[jabaraltariq]

Hey M, how you doing?
i wasn't confused, but had convo's with some of my muslim friends and this was their general notion, which i thought, all other muslims shared. also, if Abraham was a muslim, does that make jews & christians muslims as well?

Stay Blessed

Only if they have the same beliefs as Abraham (peace be upon him). They must also believe in all of Allah's prophets and messengers (peace be upon them) just as Abraham (peace be upon him) believed.

Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the seal of the prophets.

We never sent a Messenger before you except that We revealed to him, saying, ‘there is no god but I, so serve Me!’ (al-Anbiya’, 21.25)

Indeed, We sent forth among every nation a Messenger, saying, ‘serve you God, and eschew ‘taghut’ [idols, tyrants, Satan and the party of Satan]’. Then some of them God guided and some were justly disposed to misguidance. (al-Nahl, 16.36)

Belief in All prophets
Although every people, generation or nation has had its prophet, Islam enjoins its followers to believe in all the prophets as ordained by God in Surah 4:152:

"Those who deny Allah and His apostles, and those who wish to separate Allah form His apostles, saying: "We believe in some but reject others," and those who wish to take a middle course, they are in truth unbelievers; and We have prepared for unbelievers a humiliating punishment."
"To those who believe in Allah and His apostles and make no distinction between any of the apostles, We shall give their due rewards for Allah is All Forgiving and Most Merciful."

According to a hadith the number of prophets is 124,000 but the Quran mentions only 25 of them namely, Adam, Nuh (Noah), Hud, Salih, Ibrahim (Abraham), Lut (Lot), Ismail (Ismael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob), Yusuf (Joseph), Shu'aib, Yunus (Jonah), Ayub (Job), Musa (Moses), Harun (Aaron), Daud (David), Sulaiman (Soloman), Zakaria (Zachariah), Yahya (John the Baptist), Elias (Elijah), Dzulkifli (Ezekiel), Elisha, Idris, Isa (Jesus) and Muhammad.

In surah 40:78 Allah revealed to Muhammad s.a.w. "We did aforetime send apostles before thee: of them there are some whose story We have not related to thee."

An outstanding aspect of the Islamic belief in prophethood is that Muslims believe in and respect all the messengers of God with no exceptions. Since all the prophets came from the same One God, for the same purpose - to lead mankind to God - belief in them all is essential and logical; acceptiong some and rejecting others has to be based on miconceptions of the prophet's role or on racial bias. The Muslim are the only people in the world who consider the belief in all the prophets of God as an article of faith. Thus the Jews reject Jesus Chirst and Muhammad (PBHU) : the Christians reject Muhammad (PBUH) and in reality reject Moses because they do not abide by his laws. The Muslims accept them all as messengers of God who brought guidance to manking. However, the revelation which those prophets brought from God had been tampered with in one way or another. The belief in all the messengers of God is enjoined on the Muslim by the Quran:

"Say (O Muslims) : we believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ismael, and Isaac and Jacob, and their children, and that which Moses and Jesus received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them and Unto Him we submit The Quran continues in the following verses to instruct the muslims that this is the true and imperial belief. If any other nations believe in the same, they are following the right track. If they do not, they must be following their own whims and biases and God will take care of them. Thus we read:

"And if they believe in what you believe, then they are rightly guided. But if they turn away, then they are in disunity, and Allah will suffice you against them. He is the Hearer, the Knower. This is God's religion and who is better than God in religion?" (2:137-38)

Attribute of Prophets
What type of beings are the prophets?
Prophets were all human beings since human beings alone could serve as models and become reformers of mankind.
According to Surah 21:7-8: "...The apostle we sent before thee were men to whom We granted inspiration. Ask the people of the Book if you know not. Nor did We give them bodies that ate food; nor were they exempt from death."

Besides being human, they are:

• Siddiq : Truthful and righteous;
• Amanah : Faithful and trustworthy;
• Tabligh : Never withhold what has been revealed to them;
• Fatanah : Intelligent and sagacious; and
• Sinless :

Miracles
Miracles which occurred during the life of several of the prophets should not be attributed to powers of the prophets or certain faculties of the prophets, like Musa's splitting the sea nad drowning Pharoah and his army; Yunus' deliverence from fish's mouth; and Isa' a raising the dead to life, restoring sight to the blind and curing all kinds of ailments. A prophet has to effect a moral and spiritual transformation. In a society "seeing is believing" miracles became just a means to appeal to the reasoning faculty.
The miracle of Islam is the Holy Quran. It has transindividuals and families; societies and nations. It has awakened the material as well as the moral, intellectual as well as the spiritual being in a man.

Prophecy
While miracles are generally the manifestation of the powers of Allah, prophecy gives prominence to God's knowledge which comprehends the future as well as the past and present. Among the prophecies, the triumph of Islam finds a prominent place in the Holy Quran.
These prophecies were revealed when Muhammad s.a.w. stood alone against the mighty forces of polytheism and idolatry. True to the prophecy, Muhammad s.a.w. succeeded in delivering the message of The Unity of the Divine Being, and inviting the people of the world to obey this Being and to do good to their fellow men. And thus Muhammad s.a.w. becomes the world prophet as in Surah 25:1:

Blessed is He Who sent down the Criterion upon His servant that he ammy be a warner to all the people of the world.

Unlike his predecessors Nuh, Hud, Salleh, Shu'aib - each of whom was raised to be the prophet "to his people" and Musa, was commanded to "bring forth thy people from darkness into light" (14:5) and Isa is spoken of as "a messenger to the children of Israel"

Finality of Prophethood
With the appearance of the world-Prophet in the person of Muhammad s.a.w. comes the truth of Surah 2: 213:
"All the mankind are one single community..."
We have seen how Islam sweep away all barriers of geographical, colour, racial-to unify the human race under the banner of One God.
A religion brought to perfection whereby one has only to seek in the Quran to find the requirements of the present-day world or for the future generations. For no other religious book has ever claimed thus as in Surah 5 Verse 3 of the Holy Quran:

This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed on My blessing.
With the perfection of religion comes the finality of prophethood for there is no need for another prophet and another religion after the Holy Prophet Muhammad and Islam.

Muhammad s.a.w. appeared some six hundred years after the prophecy of Jesus. It is now nearly fourteen hundred years after the advent of Muhammad without any other prophets

http://www.angelfire.com/ns/perkim/prophets.html

[craig]

Hello Craig,

Abraham wasn't the first moslem. They were all moslems. Abraham
was the father of the abramic relgions (judiasm, christianity and Islam).
He was also Ismaeils father, who started the arab line of pre-mohamed (Saaws) prophets.
You may have gotten confused because Jews and moslems both say he is a Jew/Moslem and there was some dispute between them but he wasnt' the first moslem .

Peace,
Moayiidd

if Abraham was a muslim, how come we had jews i'll disregard christians for now, but did the jews of that time, were they muslims?surely if Abraham was a muslim, jews would have been muslims.

Stay Blessed

[craig]

if Abraham was a muslim, how come we had jews i'll disregard christians for now, but did the jews of that time, were they muslims?surely if Abraham was a muslim, jews would have been muslims.

Stay Blessed

sorry, my post wasn't referred only to M, it was just that Moayidd suggested Abraham, the father of all religions, which i very much agree with though.

Stay Blessed

[Abdullah al-Muhajir]

Muslims are those who surrender to the will of Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He. Those who mantain the Noble Quran to be the Universal Scripture and the Prophet Muhammad, blessings and peace be upon his noble soul, as the Last Messenger of Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He, are today's Muslims.

Prophet Abraham, along with the other ancient Prophets mentioned within the Noble Quran, were indeed Muslim. Those few Hebrew people who accepted the Message of the Prophets Abraham, Moses, and David, may peace be upon them all, were indeed the Muslims of their time. However, we know that many Jews strayed from the Path of Moses and Abraham, and furthermore disbelieved, therefore we cannot accept those Jews as Muslims.

Hi all,

Does anyone have any reliable (from historical rather than faith based sites ideally) articles on the main religions in Mecca just prior to Islam, specifically what faith Muhammed was raised in and what sort of split there was between the adherents of the different faiths.

Thanks

Yorkshireman.

There was a mix of many polytheistic beliefs pre-Islam, and each tribe or one village worshipped a distinct idol. There was hardly any true monotheism.

[craig]

Muslims are those who surrender to the will of Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He. Those who mantain the Noble Quran to be the Universal Scripture and the Prophet Muhammad, blessings and peace be upon his noble soul, as the Last Messenger of Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He, are today's Muslims.

Prophet Abraham, along with the other ancient Prophets mentioned within the Noble Quran, were indeed Muslim. Those few Hebrew people who accepted the Message of the Prophets Abraham, Moses, and David, may peace be upon them all, were indeed the Muslims of their time. However, we know that many Jews strayed from the Path of Moses and Abraham, and furthermore disbelieved, therefore we cannot accept those Jews as Muslims.
There was a mix of many polytheistic beliefs pre-Islam, and each tribe or one village worshipped a distinct idol. There was hardly any true monotheism.

I agree with you concerning what a muslim is, but where i begin to raise issues, is when you say other prophets were muslim, Moayidd suggested that Ismael's lineage started Islam, now as David,Solomon, Jesus are considered prophets and from Isaac's lineage, how is it to be accepted that they were muslims, is a muslim not that which practices is islam and from Ishmael's lineage?

pls would appreciate your replies.

Stay Blessed

[Abdullah al-Muhajir]

I agree with you concerning what a muslim is, but where i begin to raise issues, is when you say other prophets were muslim, Moayidd suggested that Ismael's lineage started Islam, now as David,Solomon, Jesus are considered prophets and from Isaac's lineage, how is it to be accepted that they were muslims, is a muslim not that which practices is islam and from Ishmael's lineage?

All those who have surrendered to the Will of Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He, is Muslim. And our Creator did send the Hebrew Prophets you have mentioned, David, Solomon and Jesus, peace and blessings be upon their noble souls, to the Hebrew People, therefore these Prophets are indeed Muslim.

Islam does not start with anyone's lineage expect that of Adam and Eve. Those who accept and believe in Allah's revelations are Muslim. Today's, and indeed the Universal, revelation is the Noble Quran, therefore those who accept the Noble Quran and the Prophet Muhammad are modern-day Muslims, the torchbearers of the belief that came from Adam to the Hebrew Prophets to Muhammad, blessings and peace be upon their noble soul.

pls would appreciate your replies.

Stay Blessed

No problem; I believe you are much more polite than the other Christian/Jewish members of this board. It is easier to get along with you.

[craig]

All those who have surrendered to the Will of Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He, is Muslim. And our Creator did send the Hebrew Prophets you have mentioned, David, Solomon and Jesus, peace and blessings be upon their noble souls, to the Hebrew People, therefore these Prophets are indeed Muslim.

Islam does not start with anyone's lineage expect that of Adam and Eve. Those who accept and believe in Allah's revelations are Muslim. Today's, and indeed the Universal, revelation is the Noble Quran, therefore those who accept the Noble Quran and the Prophet Muhammad are modern-day Muslims, the torchbearers of the belief that came from Adam to the Hebrew Prophets to Muhammad, blessings and peace be upon their noble soul.
No problem; I believe you are much more polite than the other Christian/Jewish members of this board. It is easier to get along with you.

Thanks Abu for replyin,
however, one thing still confuses me. as you suggested, God sent hebrew prophets to the jews, am i right? and that David, Solomon & jesus were their prophets?again am i correct? why was it that the jews had a religion which was ok at that time (as suggested by the Quran), my question is, as at that time that the scriptures were deemed ok, why were the jews at the time not considered muslims, but a disparity was held with it and islam?

Stay Blessed

[Abdullah al-Muhajir]

Thanks Abu for replyin,
however, one thing still confuses me. as you suggested, God sent hebrew prophets to the jews, am i right? and that David, Solomon & jesus were their prophets?again am i correct? why was it that the jews had a religion which was ok at that time (as suggested by the Quran), my question is, as at that time that the scriptures were deemed ok, why were the jews at the time not considered muslims, but a disparity was held with it and islam?

Stay Blessed

Those few Hebrew people who accepted the Message of the Prophets Abraham, Moses, and David, may peace be upon them all, were indeed the Muslims of their time. However, we know that many Jews strayed from the Path of Moses and Abraham, and furthermore disbelieved, therefore we cannot accept those Jews as Muslims. Islam and the Noble Quran, narrates both these events, side by side, as they did indeed happen and are facts:
'Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

And (remember, O Children of Israel) when We made a covenant with you and caused the mount to tower above you, (saying): Hold fast that which We have given you, and remember that which is therein, that ye may ward off (evil).

Then, even after that, ye turned away, and if it had not been for the grace of Allah and His mercy ye had been among the losers.' Quran 62-64

[jabaraltariq]

Thanks Abu for replyin,
however, one thing still confuses me. as you suggested, God sent hebrew prophets to the jews, am i right? and that David, Solomon & jesus were their prophets?again am i correct? why was it that the jews had a religion which was ok at that time (as suggested by the Quran), my question is, as at that time that the scriptures were deemed ok, why were the jews at the time not considered muslims, but a disparity was held with it and islam?

Stay Blessed

May Allah's guidance be with you for your sincere questioning.

All of the messengers were sent with 2 things:

1. Aqaaid (beliefs)

2. Shariah (The law that Allah gave them to judge by i.e what is allowed and what is not, how to pray, how many times to pray etc)

You see, all of the prophets have the same beliefs. i.e belief in Allah, The day of judgement, Angels etc.

They differ in the shariah. Allah gave each messenger a Shariah to implement and abide by. Any person who lived at the time or after that messenger, would have to abide by that particular shariah. For example, the punishment for a thief is different in the Shariah of Abraham compared to that of Muhammad (peace be upon them both).

Say for example, if I lived in say Palestine, after Abraham but before Moses, I would have to live by the Shariah of Abraham to be considered a muslim.

But if Moses appeared at my life time and the Torah was revealed, I would have to abide by Moses' Shariah to be considered a Muslim.

If I rejected Moses, I would become a disbeliever, may Allah protect me from that!

So if I was one of the children of Israel, and I believed in the messenger that was sent and believed that I would have to abide by the Shariah of the messenger of my time, then I would be considered a muslim.

The seal of the prophets is Muhammad (peace be upon him) and we have to believe in the Shariah that was sent to him to be considered a muslim.

I hope I have answered your questions.

May Allah forgive me if I have made any mistakes.

Peace

[Moayidd]

Thanks Abu for replyin,
however, one thing still confuses me. as you suggested, God sent hebrew prophets to the jews, am i right? and that David, Solomon & jesus were their prophets?again am i correct? why was it that the jews had a religion which was ok at that time (as suggested by the Quran), my question is, as at that time that the scriptures were deemed ok, why were the jews at the time not considered muslims, but a disparity was held with it and islam?

Stay Blessed

Hello craig,
All the responses to your question are all of course correct but if you allow me to summarize them, I would summarize them as follows.

If you followed the word of god as it was given at that time, you were a molsem.
Thats the definition of Moslem. The word Moslem comes from the word "isslam' which means subbmission - to the word of god/will of god/message of god etc.
Followers of Mohamed (saaws) today are moslems because they are following the current (And final) word of god and messenger.

Some non-moslems think we mean that those people were moslems as in they followed the Qur'an as you see it today. Thats not what we mean.

Peace,
Moayidd

[Sabian]

Was the question of this thread about the pagan religion, or the religion of the Prophet (PBUH)? The Prophet was a Sabi (not to be confused with mandaean neiother with Sabaean as I noticed someone in this thread suggest) i.e. Sabi`ah Hunafa`. As for the Meccans, I think that it was the same as that practiced by the Nabataeans, which was a branch of the Sabi`ah Mushrikoon I think (but then most religions are in fact).

Salaam