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    A Muslim Call to the Israelis

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    Quote Originally Posted by mertfaruk
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    PEACE WITH ISRAEL IS HARAM

    “Whosoever gives away a hand span of Islamic land Allah will grant him an equal hand span in Hell.” Hadith

    As America rushes to conclude what they call the Peace Process with the help of the traitors who rule our lands, there is a bid from within the Muslims to assist the grand betrayal of giving most of Palestine to the Jews! These will naturally fail as all Muslims are aware that surrendering one inch of Palestine is haram.

    This attempt by so-called Islamic organisations and individuals has been geared towards lending some legitimacy to the illegitimate peace process by appearing to oppose Israel for its illegal occupation and treatment of Muslims. They successfully generate the emotions of the Muslims by highlighting the horrific acts of oppression the Jews carry out. But then they go on to present a non-Islamic solution which is America’s plan of two states on the Islamic lands of Palestine and justifying it by twisting Islamic evidences such as the Treaty of Hudaybiah.

    A closer look at their rhetoric reveals that their talk of illegal occupation is taken from the UN and contradicts Islam. They speak of “37 years of occupation” going back to when the Jews entered the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 even though Israel was established in 1948 and Palestine had been under occupation by the British since 1917!

    Is it a coincidence that America’s plan includes Israel withdrawing to the 1967 borders so a nationalist secular puppet state called Palestine can be established in the West Bank and Gaza while Muslims surrender the remaining 80% of the land to the Jews and these slogans of “37 years of occupation”?

    Recognizing the peace process and giving away any Muslim land to the disbelievers is haram. And never will Allah grant the disbelievers authority over the believers. [TMQ Nisa:141].
    Allah only forbids you to make friendship with those who fought you on account of your faith and drove
    you out of your homes and backed up others in your expulsion. Those who will take them for friends are
    indeed the wrongdoers. (TMQ Mumtahana:9)

    The Messenger (saw) said:
    So, whoever seeks to divide Muslim land, kill him, whoever he may be. And Whosoever gives away a hand span of Islamic land Allah will grant him an equal hand span in Hell.

    Al-Quds which contains the third most sacred mosque and its surroundings have been blessed by Allah (swt): Glory be to Him Who carried His servant (Muhammad) one night from Masjid-al-Haram to Masjid-al-Aqsa), whose vicinity We have blessed, so that We may show him some of Our signs: surely He is the One Who is the Hearer, the Observer. (TMQ Al-Israa :1)

    When the Muslims under the leadership of Umar ibn al-Khattab conquered Palestine, one of the conditions stipulated in the Umari treaty was that Jews will be forbidden to reside in Ilya (the old name of Al-Quds). This is an ijma as-Sahaba (consensus of the companions) and is binding upon the Muslims until the Day of Judgement. This same minority of Muslims for who only the West Bank and Gaza are occupied are attempting to deny this ijma by falsely claiming it was abrogated - as if there was new revelation abrogating this when the Deen had been already completely revealed!

    In 1901, Sultan Abdul Hamid demonstrated the Islamic stance regarding the selling-out of Islamic lands when Dr Hertzel, a leading Zionist figure, offered to buy Palestine from the Islamic State. Abdul Hamid’s famous response was that Palestine was not his to give away, it belonged to the Muslims who had irrigated it with their blood and that while he was alive, he would rather be cut to pieces rather than allow the Islamic lands to be dismembered.

    Looking to the UN, International law, Human Rights groups and any other non-Islamic source for the solution to Palestine is haram. There is no dispute that Muslims must refer to Islam for the solutions to all their problems. Allah (swt) has ordered us to refer to Him and his Messenger (saw) and has condemned those who refer to disbelief:

    Is it a judgment of the time of (pagan) ignorance that they are seeking? Who is better than Allah for judgment to a people who have certainty (in their belief)? (TMQ Maida:50)

    Have you not seen those who claim that they believe in what has been revealed to you and other prophets before you? Yet they desire that the judgment (in their disputes) be made by Taghut (forces of Shaitan) though they were commanded to reject them, and Shaitan's wish is to lead them far astray into deep error. (TMQ Nisa:60)

    The solution from Islam to those who occupy our lands has been revealed to us without ambiguity – only if those looking to capitulate would take heed:

    Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress limits; for Allah does not love transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. [TMQ Baqara:190- 191]

    Therefore, if anyone transgresses a prohibition and attacks you, retaliate with the same force. (TMQ Baqara:194)

    So be not weak and ask not for peace (from the enemies of Islam) and you should have the upper hand; for Allah is with you, and He will never put you in loss for your good deeds. (TMQ Muhammad:25)

    Those who prefer the solutions of disbelief such as the UN and innovate many excuses to disregard the command of Allah should realize that It is not fitting for a believing man or a believing woman to have an option in their affairs when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has indeed strayed into a clearly wrong path. (TMQ Azhab:36)

    As for those who justify peace with Israel using the Agreement of Hudaybiah, this is a malicious fabrication as there is no comparison. Hudaybiah did not concern occupied Muslim land but was a temporary ceasefire between 2 states. The Messenger did not surrender any Muslim land to the kuffar at Hudaybiah or any other time while the peace process requires permanently surrendering 80% of Palestine to the Jews. In fact, the agreement of Hudaybiah benefited the Muslims, strengthened the Islamic State and allowed for the spread of Islam in the surrounding areas of Medina. The Quraish in Mecca could do nothing as they had signed the temporary 10 year ceasefire which gave the Muslims time to expand and become stronger only to use this strength later to conquer Mecca.

    In contrast, the peace process does the complete opposite by not only permanently surrendering Muslim land to the kuffar, but weakens Muslims and Islam by accepting this illegitimate entity in the heart of the Ummah and strengthens the kuffar against us. Besides, the only one who has the legal Islamic authority to conclude a treaty with a foreign nation on our behalf is the legitimate Islamic Head of State. The current rulers of our lands are the lowly slaves of America have no legitimacy to execute any matter on behalf of the Ummah and to support them is haram.

    Would it have been possible that the best Ummah sent to mankind had not destroyed Israel long ago if we had a sincere Islamic leadership which unleashed the armed forces of the Muslim world against Israel to remove it from the face of this earth? Would this leadership have been begging for peace and 20% of Palestine knowing the Jews are cowardly and cursed, killers of prophets who Allah (swt) turned into monkeys and pigs unlike the current traitors who control our lands?

    O Muslims! Resist and censor those who dare to promote that only the West Bank and Gaza are occupied and beg the kuffar to let them establish a freak entity in these areas called “Palestine”. Rebuke those who claim to speak in the name of Islam yet they prefer the UN’s resolutions over Allah’s (swt) commands. Insist that we only accept the Islamic solution which is Jihad. Insist that the agents of kuffer who rule our lands and have betrayed Allah (swt) must be removed and replaced by a single Islamic leadership for the whole Ummah which will mobilize the vast armed forces to annihilate the state of Israel and take back Palestine to be part of the Ummah once again – inshallah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enlightened
    PEACE WITH ISRAEL IS HARAM

    “Whosoever gives away a hand span of Islamic land Allah will grant him an equal hand span in Hell.” Hadith

    As America rushes to conclude what they call the Peace Process with the help of the traitors who rule our lands, there is a bid from within the Muslims to assist the grand betrayal of giving most of Palestine to the Jews! These will naturally fail as all Muslims are aware that surrendering one inch of Palestine is haram.

    This attempt by so-called Islamic organisations and individuals has been geared towards lending some legitimacy to the illegitimate peace process by appearing to oppose Israel for its illegal occupation and treatment of Muslims. They successfully generate the emotions of the Muslims by highlighting the horrific acts of oppression the Jews carry out. But then they go on to present a non-Islamic solution which is America’s plan of two states on the Islamic lands of Palestine and justifying it by twisting Islamic evidences such as the Treaty of Hudaybiah.

    A closer look at their rhetoric reveals that their talk of illegal occupation is taken from the UN and contradicts Islam. They speak of “37 years of occupation” going back to when the Jews entered the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 even though Israel was established in 1948 and Palestine had been under occupation by the British since 1917!

    Is it a coincidence that America’s plan includes Israel withdrawing to the 1967 borders so a nationalist secular puppet state called Palestine can be established in the West Bank and Gaza while Muslims surrender the remaining 80% of the land to the Jews and these slogans of “37 years of occupation”?

    Recognizing the peace process and giving away any Muslim land to the disbelievers is haram. And never will Allah grant the disbelievers authority over the believers. [TMQ Nisa:141].
    Allah only forbids you to make friendship with those who fought you on account of your faith and drove
    you out of your homes and backed up others in your expulsion. Those who will take them for friends are
    indeed the wrongdoers. (TMQ Mumtahana:9)

    The Messenger (saw) said:
    So, whoever seeks to divide Muslim land, kill him, whoever he may be. And Whosoever gives away a hand span of Islamic land Allah will grant him an equal hand span in Hell.

    Al-Quds which contains the third most sacred mosque and its surroundings have been blessed by Allah (swt): Glory be to Him Who carried His servant (Muhammad) one night from Masjid-al-Haram to Masjid-al-Aqsa), whose vicinity We have blessed, so that We may show him some of Our signs: surely He is the One Who is the Hearer, the Observer. (TMQ Al-Israa :1)

    When the Muslims under the leadership of Umar ibn al-Khattab conquered Palestine, one of the conditions stipulated in the Umari treaty was that Jews will be forbidden to reside in Ilya (the old name of Al-Quds). This is an ijma as-Sahaba (consensus of the companions) and is binding upon the Muslims until the Day of Judgement. This same minority of Muslims for who only the West Bank and Gaza are occupied are attempting to deny this ijma by falsely claiming it was abrogated - as if there was new revelation abrogating this when the Deen had been already completely revealed!

    In 1901, Sultan Abdul Hamid demonstrated the Islamic stance regarding the selling-out of Islamic lands when Dr Hertzel, a leading Zionist figure, offered to buy Palestine from the Islamic State. Abdul Hamid’s famous response was that Palestine was not his to give away, it belonged to the Muslims who had irrigated it with their blood and that while he was alive, he would rather be cut to pieces rather than allow the Islamic lands to be dismembered.

    Looking to the UN, International law, Human Rights groups and any other non-Islamic source for the solution to Palestine is haram. There is no dispute that Muslims must refer to Islam for the solutions to all their problems. Allah (swt) has ordered us to refer to Him and his Messenger (saw) and has condemned those who refer to disbelief:

    Is it a judgment of the time of (pagan) ignorance that they are seeking? Who is better than Allah for judgment to a people who have certainty (in their belief)? (TMQ Maida:50)

    Have you not seen those who claim that they believe in what has been revealed to you and other prophets before you? Yet they desire that the judgment (in their disputes) be made by Taghut (forces of Shaitan) though they were commanded to reject them, and Shaitan's wish is to lead them far astray into deep error. (TMQ Nisa:60)

    The solution from Islam to those who occupy our lands has been revealed to us without ambiguity – only if those looking to capitulate would take heed:

    Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress limits; for Allah does not love transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. [TMQ Baqara:190- 191]

    Therefore, if anyone transgresses a prohibition and attacks you, retaliate with the same force. (TMQ Baqara:194)

    So be not weak and ask not for peace (from the enemies of Islam) and you should have the upper hand; for Allah is with you, and He will never put you in loss for your good deeds. (TMQ Muhammad:25)

    Those who prefer the solutions of disbelief such as the UN and innovate many excuses to disregard the command of Allah should realize that It is not fitting for a believing man or a believing woman to have an option in their affairs when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has indeed strayed into a clearly wrong path. (TMQ Azhab:36)

    As for those who justify peace with Israel using the Agreement of Hudaybiah, this is a malicious fabrication as there is no comparison. Hudaybiah did not concern occupied Muslim land but was a temporary ceasefire between 2 states. The Messenger did not surrender any Muslim land to the kuffar at Hudaybiah or any other time while the peace process requires permanently surrendering 80% of Palestine to the Jews. In fact, the agreement of Hudaybiah benefited the Muslims, strengthened the Islamic State and allowed for the spread of Islam in the surrounding areas of Medina. The Quraish in Mecca could do nothing as they had signed the temporary 10 year ceasefire which gave the Muslims time to expand and become stronger only to use this strength later to conquer Mecca.

    In contrast, the peace process does the complete opposite by not only permanently surrendering Muslim land to the kuffar, but weakens Muslims and Islam by accepting this illegitimate entity in the heart of the Ummah and strengthens the kuffar against us. Besides, the only one who has the legal Islamic authority to conclude a treaty with a foreign nation on our behalf is the legitimate Islamic Head of State. The current rulers of our lands are the lowly slaves of America have no legitimacy to execute any matter on behalf of the Ummah and to support them is haram.

    Would it have been possible that the best Ummah sent to mankind had not destroyed Israel long ago if we had a sincere Islamic leadership which unleashed the armed forces of the Muslim world against Israel to remove it from the face of this earth? Would this leadership have been begging for peace and 20% of Palestine knowing the Jews are cowardly and cursed, killers of prophets who Allah (swt) turned into monkeys and pigs unlike the current traitors who control our lands?

    O Muslims! Resist and censor those who dare to promote that only the West Bank and Gaza are occupied and beg the kuffar to let them establish a freak entity in these areas called “Palestine”. Rebuke those who claim to speak in the name of Islam yet they prefer the UN’s resolutions over Allah’s (swt) commands. Insist that we only accept the Islamic solution which is Jihad. Insist that the agents of kuffer who rule our lands and have betrayed Allah (swt) must be removed and replaced by a single Islamic leadership for the whole Ummah which will mobilize the vast armed forces to annihilate the state of Israel and take back Palestine to be part of the Ummah once again – inshallah.
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    slmz
    i understand ur point and what u r trying to make out.
    but can we not negoiate?!!
    islam is about peace.....so y not make peace????
    that doesnt mean we give up palestine to the jews no way!!!! we should just nogotiate!!!!!!!..in sum way??!!!

    w/s
    ur sis in islam
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    Quote Originally Posted by slmz :)
    slmz
    i understand ur point and what u r trying to make out.
    but can we not negoiate?!!
    islam is about peace.....so y not make peace????
    that doesnt mean we give up palestine to the jews no way!!!! we should just nogotiate!!!!!!!..in sum way??!!!

    w/s
    ur sis in islam
    Ws,

    Would you negotiate with those who take over your home, kill your mothers, daughters etc? What sort of person would do this?

    More importantly we muslims follow the Quran and Sunnah and I have cited you many evidences as to why to strike peace with the jews is forbidden. It is a trap for the muslims. In Islam the END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. We are not pragmatic but follow the Sharia rule, which is to incite the armies of the muslims to liberate the land from the jews.

    Negotiation means to give up 80% of the land. This what the whole plan is about.

    Also, Islam does not mean peace. This is a lingustic definition. The Sharia definition is 'that what was revealed to Muhammed (saw) via Gabreel (as)'. This includes the verses commanding the fighting and killing.

    Ws
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enlightened
    Ws,

    Would you negotiate with those who take over your home, kill your mothers, daughters etc? What sort of person would do this?

    More importantly we muslims follow the Quran and Sunnah and I have cited you many evidences as to why to strike peace with the jews is forbidden. It is a trap for the muslims. In Islam the END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS. We are not pragmatic but follow the Sharia rule, which is to incite the armies of the muslims to liberate the land from the jews.

    Negotiation means to give up 80% of the land. This what the whole plan is about.

    Also, Islam does not mean peace. This is a lingustic definition. The Sharia definition is 'that what was revealed to Muhammed (saw) via Gabreel (as)'. This includes the verses commanding the fighting and killing.

    Ws


    slmz

    ok u hav a point......i giv up!!!!!!

    but what can we do the whole world is practicly against islam
    w/s
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    It is wise to have Syria and Iraq become one nation then a.....truce while the nation(s) gain strength and try to find things to set things up. (ideal situation)

    BECAUSE WE ALL know that Israel is a state which is NOT even following JEWISH OBLIGATIONS!

    Harun Yahya has got priorities mixed up and even does not know that the JEWS are being disobedient and undermining Islam by even having the state of Israel!

    He will get an email from me! and I will send him the Anti-Zionist Jewish info and then let him make another opinion.




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    Quote Originally Posted by slmz :)
    but what can we do the whole world is practicly against islam
    w/s
    Allah (swt) is with us. Who is more powerful, Allah (swt) or Pigrael?
    Quote Originally Posted by hypocrite
    Bidah! Shirk! Murtard! Kufr! Man i hate the kuffar so much, i hate this country. I care much more about my brothers and sisters in Islam than you, because i say i do. Thats why i live here, claim benefits and moan when my dole payment is late.

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    Taba

    Shame about the bomb in Taba...

    No.

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    The article is fairly well balanced.I don't agree with all the details but the message is one of hope and accomodation.The question is if israel unilaterally withdraws to the 67 borders,how would her security be guaranteed?Realistically it would take comprehensive negotiations during which the palestinians once and for all decided to stop using violence to achieve political aims.
    Based on the political realities of today ( and the viewpoints of many members of this forum) it is a dream which is unattainable.
    However sometimes dreams come true.It just may take a long time.

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    it is the thinking of "making peace for peace's sake" and not fulfilling the duty we have as an ummah, that lead to the destruction of the muslims in andalusia

    we are one ummah, there is no peace with those who kill muslims
    there is no peace with those who want to take muslim lands
    there is no peace with those who are undermining the dome of the rock and masjidul aqsa


    and any muslim who will overlook those who are guilty of the above has shown that he is not of this ummah, but of some leftwing, peacenik club, which overlooks the struggle between right and wrong and just wants peace out of love of dunya and fear of death
    Terrorists do not walk around in turbans and long beards, but they wear suits and ties.
    Innocents are primarily killed by foreign policies which command bombs dropped from jet planes, tanks, and naval vessels.
    NOT from "suicide bombings".

    People who fight against this naked aggression are called terrorists. People who purport this evil upon mankind are called heroes.
    Stop being a victim of your own ignorance.

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