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    Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Quote Originally Posted by margaux View Post
    If the sun "appeared to" set in murky water to Zul-Qarnain then how do you explain these Hadiths? The sun setting in water myth must have some popularity back then.

    Narrated Abu Dharr:
    I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets ? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah).

    Grade : Sahih in chain (Al-Albani)
    Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 4002
    In-book reference : Book 32, Hadith 34
    English translation : Book 31, Hadith 3991

    Abu Dharr narrated, “Once I was with the Prophet riding a donkey on which there was a saddle or a (piece of) velvet. That was at sunset. He said to me, ‘O Abu Dharr, do you know where this (sun) sets?’ I said, ‘Allah and His Messenger know better.’ He said, ‘It sets in a spring of murky water, (then) it goes and prostrates before its Lord, the Exalted in Might and the Ever-Majestic, under the Throne. And when it is time to go out, Allah allows it to go out and thus it rises. But, when He wants to make it rise where it sets, He locks it up. The sun will then say, “O my Lord, I have a long distance to run.” Allah will say, “Rise where you have set.” That (will take place) when no (disbelieving) soul will get any good by believing then.’” (Musnad Ahmad, Hadith 21459 al-Risala ed.)

    Do you know that during the Norwegian summer season, the sun never sets north of the Arctic Circle and for a couple of months the sun is visible 24 hours a day. So the same sun sets/prostates in the middle east and stays in the sky in scandinavia?



    The Noble Quran is speaking to the illiterate Pagans before 1400 years who are like just a new Born or maximum a toddler when it comes to Science and understanding and Allah knows better how to address them. Though the setting in the murky waters was a used as Figurative speech which in no Harm and even I would say the same to My toddlers or kids, Hey, see its falling in the water and coming from the mountain , The Moon is on the mountain Is it really come from the mountain ? lol,

    when i was on 50th + floor of a building peeping out i had said to my kids, hey dear, see your toy Cars, did i really mean the cars are toys ? . Lol, the error is in your mind and not in the Noble Quran and in the hadith which were spoken based on the Noble Quran since they will not speak anything against what was said in it ?

    Do You know, What Would Have HAPPENED ' IF' the Prophet (pbuh) who had gone to the skies (17:1, 17:12-15) TOLD those Pagans that he saw the EARTH was round (a sphere) ?


    The Pagan Arabs then would have constructed THE tallest tower to climb (like Pharaoh Ordered his construction minister for seeing Allah because Moses(pbuh) said he is in the skies) and see was it real ? That would lead them only to waste their Precious TIME only thinking on this single word and still cannot come to any conclusion untill a satellite photographed it FROM SPACE and even a a Modern Astronomical Telescope found in 16- 17 th century would not have helped untill we travelled to Space to an altitude of more than 100km above EARTH since even myself while flying at 30-40000 feet, still could not find any spheric curve that would satisfy ME that the earth is spherical and so we have to believe NASA , though they had lied about ''Manned'' Missions to Moon. the result should have been that they(Pagan Arabs) would have rejected the Quran as a Lie. So The ALL WISE, God knew VERY WELL what to reveal ? & what not to reveal ? & what to leave it 'VAGUE' ? and how to address it ( The RIGHT DOSAGE OF KNOWLEDGE OR OVER DOSAGE WOULD HAVE KILL THEM ) so that they became believers that changed them like 'Sand into gold'' ( The Gentiles& Pagans, Camel, Sheep herders to the rulers sitting on Throne of Caeser 's Ruling the world in 30-35 years)Subhanallah


    ,So the Prophet(pbuh) rightly commented this in his Last haj sermon few months before his demise

    '' ....................... I leave behind me two things, the Quran and the Sunnah (Hadith), and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and
    may the last ones understand my words better than those who listened to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed your message to your people.............................''

    The above verse was 18:86 (sun set in murky water as figurative speech) so similarly Note verse 18:90 that would further clear your suspicion in a few verses after that verse in 18:90

    ''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.''

    Its He found, '' by the ONLOOKER king Dhulqarnain ''Not Allah found Does it mean its on the people 's head , again a figurative speech we can find in other holy books just to make people understand and those statements is by the ONLOOKER king Dhulqarnain and not the Noble Quran




    See this video It proves Sun is under The Arshie Allah's throne since its under the lowest sky as per the hadith in the video , This will IMPLY that Sun is always Prostrating Arsh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYYP1K4omwM

    But do not forget what I said above , They were Toddlers LARGE dosage of Knowledge will kill their faith like an adult dosage of Medicine to a New Born and by the last days of the world miracles will happen as the sun rising in the west when Prophet (pbuh) rightly prophesied of SINK HOLES , Frequent EARTH quakes, Desert becoming garden That will Happen By the Power of Allah swt.




    But do not forget what I said above , The PEOPLE who were explained were Toddlers to science LARGE dosage of Knowledge will kill their faith like an adult dosage of Medicine to a New Born and by the last days of the world miracles will happen as the sun rising in the west when Prophet (pbuh) rightly prophesied of SINK HOLES , Frequent EARTH quakes, Desert becoming garden That will Happen By the Power of Allah swt.
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    So Dear , why dont you speak about those verses which are Scientific Miracles (brighter side) of Noble Quran Skin Buds, Foetus development, Cytoplasm in 3 verses etc etc etc and one is below a copy & paste from a site

    Brain Functions

    For centuries it was thought that the frontal part of the human brain handled vision (simply because it is near the eyes). Today we know that this part handles speech, not vision.

    The Quran says that disbelievers will be dragged from there liar forehead, that is, the speech part where they utter lies is at the forehead.

    Noble quran '' A lying, sinful forehead. '' http://quran.com/96/16

    Atmospheric Pressure

    Atmospheric pressure decreases with altitude; The higher the altitude the more difficult breathing becomes. Moslems say that this is what Allah says. The Quran says that as we ascend to the sky it becomes more difficult for us to breath:

    [Quran 6.125] Those whom Allah wants to guide, He opens their chests to Islam; And those whom He wants to leave astray, He makes their chests tight and constricted, as if they are ascending to the sky: Such is the penalty of Allah on those who refuse to believe.


    And much , much more, Because its from their Creator, who could know more about his creations than the Creator ? , The Author of the Noble Quran, THE LIVING MIRACLE FOR EVER as Jesus said about Comforter he will be with you FOREVER



    Kindly read this thread '''MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics''.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...by-Apologetics
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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Quote Originally Posted by Qlaic View Post
    In short, no.
    To be bigot is a personal affair but seems unfair to me when you have tens of facts of Islam proved by scientists and who also embraced Islam. You are allowed to keep your thoughts like a frog in a well does.

    http://quran.com/2/256

    There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Because I don't believe there is scientific support for the Quran that makes me a bigot apparently and I deserve to be negatively repped, I suppose most of humanity are bigots then.

    'Proved by scientists', oh la la, it must be true then.
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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
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    Do You know, What Would Have HAPPENED ' IF' the Prophet (pbuh) who had gone to the skies (17:1, 17:12-15) TOLD those Pagans that he saw the EARTH was round (a sphere) ?


    The Pagan Arabs then would have constructed THE tallest tower to climb (like Pharaoh Ordered his construction minister for seeing Allah because Moses(pbuh) said he is in the skies) and see was it real ? That would lead them only to waste their Precious TIME only thinking on this single word and still cannot come to any conclusion untill a satellite photographed it FROM SPACE and even a a Modern Astronomical Telescope found in 16- 17 th century would not have helped untill we travelled to Space to an altitude of more than 100km above EARTH since even myself while flying at 30-40000 feet, still could not find any spheric curve that would satisfy ME that the earth is spherical and so we have to believe NASA , though they had lied about ''Manned'' Missions to Moon. the result should have been that they(Pagan Arabs) would have rejected the Quran as a Lie. So The ALL WISE, God knew VERY WELL what to reveal ? & what not to reveal ? & what to leave it 'VAGUE' ? and how to address it ( The RIGHT DOSAGE OF KNOWLEDGE OR OVER DOSAGE WOULD HAVE KILL THEM ) so that they became believers that changed them like 'Sand into gold'' ( The Gentiles& Pagans, Camel, Sheep herders to the rulers sitting on Throne of Caeser 's Ruling the world in 30-35 years)Subhanallah



    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...by-Apologetics

    Pythagoras (6th century B.C.) is generally credited with having first suggested a round Earth. Aristotle (4th century B.C.) agreed and supported the theory with observations such as that the southern constellations rise higher in the sky when a person travels south. He also noted that during a lunar eclipse, the Earth’s shadow is round.

    Roman Ptolemy added to the collected wisdom. He observed that as a man approached a far off mountain, it appeared to grow out of the ground – a clear indication of a curved surface. He later devised the forerunner of modern-day longitude and latitude, including measuring what we now call latitude from the equator.

    Eratosthenes (276-194BC) was the one that figured it out as he was the first to have recorded the approximate circumference of the earth and was only off by 1 %.

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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Quote Originally Posted by Serada View Post
    Pythagoras (6th century B.C.) is generally credited with having first suggested a round Earth. Aristotle (4th century B.C.) agreed and supported the theory with observations such as that the southern constellations rise higher in the sky when a person travels south. He also noted that during a lunar eclipse, the Earth’s shadow is round.

    Roman Ptolemy added to the collected wisdom. He observed that as a man approached a far off mountain, it appeared to grow out of the ground – a clear indication of a curved surface. He later devised the forerunner of modern-day longitude and latitude, including measuring what we now call latitude from the equator.

    Eratosthenes (276-194BC) was the one that figured it out as he was the first to have recorded the approximate circumference of the earth and was only off by 1 %.
    "Slightly off topic", but the Ancient Sumerians knew so much about this world and others... I would love to find out where they got their info from. They depicted the solar system in their tablets... as spheres... and included the planet-x which is the planet that NASA is searching for... but cannot find yet. They depicted the planets in correct proportion and distance... really scary stuff considering that we've only discovered these planets properly in the past century. I think the planet was called 'Nibiru' to the Sumerians and interestingly enough... the 'Annunaki' came from a place called 'E-den'... on Niburu, a place for the righteous ones apparently.

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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Quote Originally Posted by Qlaic View Post
    Because I don't believe there is scientific support for the Quran that makes me a bigot apparently and I deserve to be negatively repped, I suppose most of humanity are bigots then.

    'Proved by scientists', oh la la, it must be true then.
    I would like a clarification please. What do you mean by: "I suppose most of humanity are bigots then". Do you mean that Most of humanity are bigots? Do you mean to imply that "most of humanity" agree with your stance that there is no scientific support for the Qu'ran? What about the billion or so members fo humnanity that accept the Qu'ran as an accurate and complete revelation from Allah (SWT)? To me to make statements such as you did is akin to making generalizations such as since most married men lie all married men are liars. Which is baseless as far as being factual goes.

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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Quote Originally Posted by Serada View Post
    Pythagoras (6th century B.C.) is generally credited with having first suggested a round Earth. Aristotle (4th century B.C.) agreed and supported the theory with observations such as that the southern constellations rise higher in the sky when a person travels south. He also noted that during a lunar eclipse, the Earth’s shadow is round.

    Roman Ptolemy added to the collected wisdom. He observed that as a man approached a far off mountain, it appeared to grow out of the ground – a clear indication of a curved surface. He later devised the forerunner of modern-day longitude and latitude, including measuring what we now call latitude from the equator.

    Eratosthenes (276-194BC) was the one that figured it out as he was the first to have recorded the approximate circumference of the earth and was only off by 1 %.
    You would be knowing that the Bible copied Ptolemy's theory that the Earth was the centre of the universe and the sun and other planets moved around the Earth on which Galileo objected to the Church and was imprisoned by the Vatican on heresy charges.

    Surprised you praise Ptolemy
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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    You would be knowing that the Bible copied Ptolemy's theory that the Earth was the centre of the universe and the sun and other planets moved around the Earth on which Galileo objected to the Church and was imprisoned by the Vatican on heresy charges.
    talibilm09

    That is wrong. The Bible doesn't say what you just wrote. You might mislead those who is not familiar with Bible, but those who knows Bible will smile on your comments as you wrote a joke. : )
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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    talibilm09

    That is wrong. The Bible doesn't say what you just wrote. You might mislead those who is not familiar with Bible, but those who knows Bible will smile on your comments as you wrote a joke. : )
    Causative

    Ok , then Why was Galilieo was imprisoned on heresy charges by the Vatican ?

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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

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    Causative

    Ok , then Why was Galilieo was imprisoned on heresy charges by the Vatican ?
    Causative

    So No answer,, let me give an answer by wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

    ''In the Catholic world prior to Galileo's conflict with the Church, the majority of educated people subscribed to the Aristotelian geocentric view that the earth was the center of the universe and that all heavenly bodies revolved around the Earth,[11] though Copernican theories were used to reform the calendar in 1582.[12]

    Geostaticism agreed with a literal interpretation of Scripture in several places, such as 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5, Ecclesiastes 1:5 (in contrast with Job 26:7). Heliocentrism, the theory that the Earth was a planet, which along with all the others revolved around the Sun, contradicted both geocentrism and the prevailing theological support of the theory.[citation needed]

    One of the first suggestions of heresy that Galileo had to deal with came in 1613 from a professor of philosophy, poet and specialist in Greek literature, Cosimo Boscaglia.[13][14] In conversation with Galileo's patron Cosimo II de' Medici and Cosimo's mother Christina of Lorraine, Boscaglia said that the telescopic discoveries were valid, but that the motion of the Earth was obviously contrary to Scripture......................................... ....''

    So You had unintentionally lied , Causative or you are ignorant of your ex religion ?
    , but now I am smiling mate

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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Quote Originally Posted by Qlaic View Post
    In short, no.
    im just curious have you read the quran? and im talking cover to cover sit down and read it not grab a few verses off some orientalist website

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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

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    the Bible copied Ptolemy's theory that the Earth was the centre of the universe and the sun and other planets moved around the Earth
    talibilm09

    I thought you would jump up as you do all the time and would say something. I was right, you have jumped up but you could NOT quote from the Bible where it says "that the Earth was the centre of the universe". Looks like you are confused. In not, you copied someone's lie. I suggest you to do proper research when you make false allegations about the God's word. If you believe in God then be humble. If you attac God's word and make false allegations about it God will punish your activities. So you have a choice. Choose one or other. I would like to see you choyto be humble, although I doubt you will accept my suggestion. Anyway, your comments only proof that you don't have sufficient knowledge in Bible as in Qur'an. It is in a way sad to see some one jumping up all the time instead to do research humbly and let knowledge to give him wisdom.
    You also should recall yourself that by acting in behalf of Islam and Muslim, your activities in this forum doesn't bring any good to yourself and your beliefs. Brother, humble yourself. You are just a human, dust as everyone.
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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/st...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by talibilm09 http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/st...post-right.png
    the Bible copied Ptolemy's theory that the Earth was the centre of the universe and the sun and other planets moved around the Earth



    talibilm09

    I thought/expected you would jump up as you do all the time and would say something. I was right, you have jumped up but you could NOT quote from the Bible where it says "that the Earth was the centre of the universe". Looks like you are confused. If not, you copied someone's lie. I suggest you to do proper research when you make false allegations about God's word. If you believe in God then be humble. If you attac God's word and make false allegations about it God will punish your activities. So you have a choice. Choose one or other. I would like to see you choose to be humble, although I doubt you will accept my suggestion. Anyway, your comments only prove that you don't have sufficient knowledge in Bible as in Qur'an. It is in a way sad to see some one jumping up all the time instead to do research humbly and let knowledge to give him direction and wisdom.
    You also should recall yourself that by acting in behalf of Islam and Muslim, your activities in this forum doesn't bring any good to yourself and your beliefs. Brother, humble yourself. You are just a human, dust as everyone.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    Causative

    So No answer,, let me give an answer by wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

    ''In the Catholic world prior to Galileo's conflict with the Church, the majority of educated people subscribed to the Aristotelian geocentric view that the earth was the center of the universe and that all heavenly bodies revolved around the Earth,[11] though Copernican theories were used to reform the calendar in 1582.[12]

    Geostaticism agreed with a literal interpretation of Scripture in several places, such as 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5, Ecclesiastes 1:5 (in contrast with Job 26:7). Heliocentrism, the theory that the Earth was a planet, which along with all the others revolved around the Sun, contradicted both geocentrism and the prevailing theological support of the theory.[citation needed]

    One of the first suggestions of heresy that Galileo had to deal with came in 1613 from a professor of philosophy, poet and specialist in Greek literature, Cosimo Boscaglia.[13][14] In conversation with Galileo's patron Cosimo II de' Medici and Cosimo's mother Christina of Lorraine, Boscaglia said that the telescopic discoveries were valid, but that the motion of the Earth was obviously contrary to Scripture......................................... ....''

    So You had unintentionally lied , Causative or you are ignorant of your ex religion ?
    , but now I am smiling mate
    Catholic church was used as a political tool for ages. It became a political machine that used the Bible and religion to gain political influence, power, wealth any any view that endangered their power was itself in jeopardy. It is not the Bible's fault that reality differed from their interpretation of what the world should be and religion used as a political tool.

    That is why you had the reformation.

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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Quote Originally Posted by Serada View Post
    Catholic church was used as a political tool for ages. It became a political machine that used the Bible and religion to gain political influence, power, wealth any any view that endangered their power was itself in jeopardy. It is not the Bible's fault that reality differed from their interpretation of what the world should be and religion used as a political tool.
    Serada

    You are right. But I doubt he will accept the fact you explained. Lets wait and see his reaction on your post.
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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Quote Originally Posted by FAREED1952 View Post
    I would like a clarification please. What do you mean by: "I suppose most of humanity are bigots then". Do you mean that Most of humanity are bigots? Do you mean to imply that "most of humanity" agree with your stance that there is no scientific support for the Qu'ran? What about the billion or so members fo humnanity that accept the Qu'ran as an accurate and complete revelation from Allah (SWT)? To me to make statements such as you did is akin to making generalizations such as since most married men lie all married men are liars. Which is baseless as far as being factual goes.
    Of course most of humanity agree there is no scientific support for the Quran, not even all Muslims believe there is scientific support for the Quran! The billion or so of these people who identify as Muslim don't all accept the scientific miracle mumbo jumbo and a billion people is about 1/7 of humanity.

    This whole scientific miracle stuff was started by the Christians many years ago but the Muslims caught on with the bucaille book in the 1970s and it has really taken off.

    At best, the 'scientific evidence' is vague and dubious and at worse absurd.
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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

    Quote Originally Posted by Qlaic View Post
    Of course most of humanity agree there is no scientific support for the Quran, not even all Muslims believe there is scientific support for the Quran! The billion or so of these people who identify as Muslim don't all accept the scientific miracle mumbo jumbo and a billion people is about 1/7 of humanity.

    This whole scientific miracle stuff was started by the Christians many years ago but the Muslims caught on with the bucaille book in the 1970s and it has really taken off.

    At best, the 'scientific evidence' is vague and dubious and at worse absurd.
    Your answer if a great piece of comedic relief for me. But at the same time it is sad. You seem to love to use generalizations to "prove" your point. You don't pr4ovide any sort of references for your points. It seems that you just want us to accept your blanket statements as fact, which We never can because we know what the truth is. To use your approach I will make a grand sweeping Generalization too: Most Muslims on this forum reject as spurious you generalizations about the Qur'an as unsupported fabrications.

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    Re: Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors !

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    Your answer if a great piece of comedic relief for me. But at the same time it is sad. You seem to love to use generalizations to "prove" your point. You don't pr4ovide any sort of references for your points. It seems that you just want us to accept your blanket statements as fact, which We never can because we know what the truth is. To use your approach I will make a grand sweeping Generalization too: Most Muslims on this forum reject as spurious you generalizations about the Qur'an as unsupported fabrications.
    What do you want me to do? Go out and survey all of humanity? Are you seriously telling me that most of humanity think there is 'scientific evidence' for the Quran? Really?

    "What about the billion or so members of humanity that accept the Qu'ran as an accurate and complete revelation from Allah (SWT)?" isn't that another generalization according to you then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FAREED1952 View Post
    Your answer if a great piece of comedic relief for me. But at the same time it is sad. You seem to love to use generalizations to "prove" your point. You don't pr4ovide any sort of references for your points. It seems that you just want us to accept your blanket statements as fact, which We never can because we know what the truth is. To use your approach I will make a grand sweeping Generalization too: Most Muslims on this forum reject as spurious you generalizations about the Qur'an as unsupported fabrications.
    Oh BTW There is closer to 1.8 billion Muslims on the earth and rounded up to 1.9 or 2.0 billion makes that 1/7 of the earths population seem more like 2/7 or some thing like that.

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    What do you want me to do? Go out and survey all of humanity? Are you seriously telling me that most of humanity think there is 'scientific evidence' for the Quran? Really?

    "What about the billion or so members of humanity that accept the Qu'ran as an accurate and complete revelation from Allah (SWT)?" isn't that another generalization according to you then?
    The almost 1/4 of the earth's residents that claim loyalty and submission to Allah (SWT) qare required by the tenets of thier faith to accept the Qur'an as the final revelation to mankind from their creator to ALL of Mankind. What I want you to see is that blanket staments in a discussion just don't work.

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    The almost 1/4 of the earth's residents that claim loyalty and submission to Allah (SWT) qare required by the tenets of thier faith to accept the Qur'an as the final revelation to mankind from their creator to ALL of Mankind. What I want you to see is that blanket staments in a discussion just don't work.
    What's that got to do with scientific evidence?

    Also the '1/4' (it's more like 1/5 last time i checked) simply identify themselves as Muslims, a good deal of them probably believe things which you would consider makes them disbelievers.

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    What's that got to do with scientific evidence?

    Also the '1/4' (it's more like 1/5 last time i checked) simply identify themselves as Muslims, a good deal of them probably believe things which you would consider makes them disbelievers.
    What does you erroneous generalizations have to do with the topic of this thread? 1/5 or 1/4 Who cares? I am in a small city in the center of the USA and I attend a Masjid of about 300 members. I have yet to find in my 7 years of experience in Islam some one who shares YOUR opinion who is a Muslim. How many Muslims do you really knoiw there in UK that share your erroneous opinions? Not many I would guess. Maybe some "Ramadhan Muslims", who only go0 through the motions to make themselves look good. But not Muslims who follow the Sunnah and way of the Prophet (SAW) and hold to their faith even though it may hurt them in emplo9yment and social circles of non-muslim associates.

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    Further, the topic of this thread is "Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors." Not anything to do with your posts.

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    What does you erroneous generalizations have to do with the topic of this thread? 1/5 or 1/4 Who cares? I am in a small city in the center of the USA and I attend a Masjid of about 300 members. I have yet to find in my 7 years of experience in Islam some one who shares YOUR opinion who is a Muslim. How many Muslims do you really knoiw there in UK that share your erroneous opinions? Not many I would guess. Maybe some "Ramadhan Muslims", who only go0 through the motions to make themselves look good. But not Muslims who follow the Sunnah and way of the Prophet (SAW) and hold to their faith even though it may hurt them in emplo9yment and social circles of non-muslim associates.
    I am struggling to follow the point you are trying to make here mate.

    I am not Muslim by the way.

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    I am struggling to follow the point you are trying to make here mate.

    I am not Muslim by the way.
    Let me be straight with you Buddy,. The sweeping generalization add nothing to the discussion of the topic. Of the almost 2 billion. (I'm rounding up) Muslims on this planet may not agree on every point of doctrine, but, they all agree that the Qur'an they either possess or have memorized [COLOR="#0000CD"]is the very word of Allah, unaltered and in the same language as received by our Prophet (SAW)AND IT IS FREE OF ERRORS. .

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    Catholic church was used as a political tool for ages. It became a political machine that used the Bible and religion to gain political influence, power, wealth any any view that endangered their power was itself in jeopardy. It is not the Bible's fault that reality differed from their interpretation of what the world should be and religion used as a political tool.

    That is why you had the reformation.
    Your view is supported by Prof Bart Erhman 's view that Emperor Constantine influenced Christianity by altering it the way the Greeks & Romans thought like the King was the Son of God just to unite them all under his reign with the support of all as in here at 23 minutes onwards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yte-ad6Y31s ,

    But The Reformation had started the day Paul , the Jewish spy entered Christianity to divide the true Monothiests into polytheists like was the game the Jews again played within Muslims by sending their Yemeni Jew Ibn Sabah to become a Muslim hypocrite creating the Shia sect with Caliph Ali as God in its root of Shia sects's inception . The Jews were always behind the corruption of all semetic religions and even the Psalms which is Zaboor as per the Noble Quran.


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    http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/st...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by talibilm09 http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/st...post-right.png
    the Bible copied Ptolemy's theory that the Earth was the centre of the universe and the sun and other planets moved around the Earth



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    I thought/expected you would jump up as you do all the time and would say something. I was right, you have jumped up but you could NOT quote from the Bible where it says "that the Earth was the centre of the universe". Looks like you are confused. If not, you copied someone's lie. I suggest you to do proper research when you make false allegations about God's word. If you believe in God then be humble. If you attac God's word and make false allegations about it God will punish your activities. So you have a choice. Choose one or other. I would like to see you choose to be humble, although I doubt you will accept my suggestion. Anyway, your comments only prove that you don't have sufficient knowledge in Bible as in Qur'an. It is in a way sad to see some one jumping up all the time instead to do research humbly and let knowledge to give him direction and wisdom.
    You also should recall yourself that by acting in behalf of Islam and Muslim, your activities in this forum doesn't bring any good to yourself and your beliefs. Brother, humble yourself. You are just a human, dust as everyone.
    Causative

    Many of Your replies portrays you are too jealous of my posts on a personal vendetta for debating you before and chasing you form the Forum for nearly an year. Mate cool down I am not here or free enough to play hide & seek nor I want to dominate on my personal thoughts . ( humble myself lol Am A Muslim already humbled, submitted to God unlike you Dude Humble to the Truth of Islam ) So My Reply is do not babble senselessly just to keep your post as the last word .(as told in my earlier post)

    Coming to the Galileo issue which happened 4 -5 centuries ago do you think all Bibles verses are in tact for the past 4 centuries ?. those few still remaining verses are already mentioned in the Wiki. Try to work out yourselves Causative, you want me to Spoon feed every little thing as in the case of the Noble Quran verses that speak about hadith .

    So Many unsatisfactory verses were thrown out of Bible EVEN in 1950's under the authority of 50 or more denomination and Scholars of highest eminence which MR Deedat and even Dr Jerald F Dirks, Bart Erhman gives proofs and testimony about like about Ascension of Jesus (By Mr Deedat) So what do you expect ? The Christians to keep ALL OF those verses after Galieo was proved '' Exactly Right '' later by other scientists and Telescope ? Some are still there read wiki which points out that ''the Earth does not Move '' But I know you will be dug in your heels

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    But The Reformation had started the day Paul , the Jewish spy entered Christianity to divide the true Monothiests into polytheists like was the game the Jews again played within Muslims by sending their Yemeni Jew Ibn Sabah to become a Muslim hypocrite creating the Shia sect with Caliph Ali as God in its root of Shia sects's inception . The Jews were always behind the corruption of all semetic religions and even the Psalms which is Zaboor as per the Noble Quran.

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    As I predicted he came, jumped up few times and wrote senseless post and disappeared. So from now on you know who he is. : )
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    As I predicted he came, jumped up few times and wrote senseless post and disappeared. So from now on you know who he is. : )
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    Oceanology in the Noble Quran:

    The following article was sent to me by brother/sister [email protected]; may Allah Almighty be pleased with him/her.



    OCEANOLOGY


    BARRIER BETWEEN SWEET AND SALT WATERS


    Consider the following Qur'anic verses:


    "HE has let free The two bodies Of flowing water, Meeting together: Between them is a Barrier Which they do not transgress."

    [AL-QUR'AN 55:19:20]
    In the Arabic text the word 'barzakh' means a barrier or a partition. The Arabic word 'maraja' literally means 'they both meet and mix with each other.' Early commentators of the QUR'AN were unable to explain the two opposite meanings for the two bodies of water, i.e. they meet and mix, and at the same time, there is a barrier between them. Modern Science has discovered that in places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has ita own temperature, salinity and density. {Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.} Oceanologists are now in a better position to explain this verse. There is a slanted unseen water barrier between the seas through which water from one sea passes to the other. But when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way this barrier serves as a transitional homogenizing area for the two waters. This scientific phenonmenon mentioned in the QUR'AN was also confirmed by Dr. William Hay who is a well-known marine scientist and Professor og Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A.

    The QUR'AN mentions this phenomenon also in the following verse:


    "And made a separating bar Between the two bodies Of flowing water?"

    [AL-QUR'AN 27:61]
    This phenomenon occurs in several places, including the divider between the Mediteranean and the Atlantic Ocean at Gibralter. But when the QUR'AN speaks about the divider between fresh and salt water, it mentions the exisence of ' a forbidding partition' with the barrier.


    "It is HE WHO has Let free the two bodies Of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, And the other salty and bitter; Yet has HE Made a barrier between them, And a partition that is forbidden To be passed.

    [AL-QUR'AN 25:53]
    Modern Science has discovered that in estuaries, where fresh(sweet) and salt water meet, the situation is somewhat different from that found in places where two seas meet. It has been discovered that what distinguishes fresh water from salt water in estuarie is a "pycnocline zone with a marked density discontinuity separating the two layers." {Oceanography, Gross, p.242. Also see Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, pp. 300-301 ; Oceanography, Gross, p. 244 and Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, pp.300-301} This phenomenon occurs in several places, including Egypt, where the river Nile flows into the Medierranean Sea.


    DARKNESS IN THE DEPTHS OF THE OCEAN


    Prof. Durga Rao is an expert in the field of Marine Geology and was a professor at King Abdul Aziz University in Jeddah. He was asked to comment on the following verse:


    "Or (the Unbelievers' state) Is like the depths of darkness In a vast deep ocean, Overwhelmed with billow Topped by billow, Topped by (dark) clouds: Depths of darkness, one Above another: if a man Stretches out his hand, He can hardly see it! For any to whom ALLAH Giveth not light, There is no light!"

    [AL-QUR'AN 21:40]
    Prof. Rao said that scientists have only now been able to confirm, with the help of modern equipment that there is darkness in the depths of the ocean. Humans are unable to dive unaided underwater for more than 20 to 30 metres, and cannot survive in the deep oceanic regions at a depth of more than 200 metres. This verse does not refer to all seas because not every sea can be described as having accumulated darkness layered one over another. It refers especially to a deep sea or deep ocean, as the QUR'AN says, 'darkness in a vast deep ocean.' This layered darkness in a deep ocean is the result of two causes:


    1. A light ray is composed of seven colours. These seven colours are Violet, Indigo, Blue. Green, Yellow, Orange and Red(VIBGYOR). The light ray undergoes refraction when it hits water. The upper 10 to 15 metres of water absorb the red colour. Therefore if a diver is 25 metres under water and gets wounded, he would not be able to see the red colour of his blood, because the red colour does not reach this depth. Similarly orange rays are absorbed at 30 to 50 metres, yellow at 50 to 100 metres, green at 100 to 200 metres, and finally, blue beyond 200 metres and violet and indigo above 200 metres. Due to successive disapperance of colour, one layer after another, the ocean progressively becomes darker, i.e. darkness takes place in layers of light. Below a depth of 1000 metres there is complete darkness.{Oceans, Elder and Pernetta, p.27}


    2.The sun's rays are absorbed by clouds which in turn scatter light rays thus causing a layer of darkness under the clouds. This is the first layer of darkness. When light rays reach the surface of the ocean they are reflected by the wave surface giving it a shiny appearance. Therefore it is the waves which reflect light and cause darkness.The unreflected light penetrates into the depths of the ocean. Therefore the ocean has two parts. The surface characterized by light and warmth and the depth characterized by darkness. The surface is further separated from the deep part of the ocean by waves. The internal waves cover the deep waters of seas and oceans because the deep waters have a higher density than the waters above them. The darkness begins below the internal waves. Even the fish in the depths of the ocean cannot see; their only source of light is from their own bodies.The QUR'AN rightly mentions:


    "Darkness in a vast deep ocean overwhelmed with waves topped by waves."
    In other words, above these waves there are more types of waves, i.e. those found on the surface of the ocean. The Qur'anic verse continues,


    "topped by (dark) clouds; depths of darkness, one above another."


    These clouds as explained are barriers one over the other that further cause darkness by absorption of colours at different levels. Prof. Durga Rao concluded by saying, "1400 years ago a normal human being could not explain this phenomenon in so much detail. Thus the information must have come from a supernatural source."

    To be continued ...


    http://www.answering-christianity.com/oceanology.htm
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    Further, the topic of this thread is "Yes, the Noble Quran is free of errors." Not anything to do with your posts.
    Yes, You are Right Fareed . But some to try to hijack this thread since they do not Like the Noble Quran and Islam.. They should start their own new thread on things they want to allege.

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    The Noble Quran is speaking to the illiterate Pagans before 1400 years who are like just a new Born or maximum a toddler when it comes to Science and understanding and Allah knows better how to address them. Though the setting in the murky waters was a used as Figurative speech which in no Harm and even I would say the same to My toddlers or kids, Hey, see its falling in the water and coming from the mountain , The Moon is on the mountain Is it really come from the mountain ? lol,

    when i was on 50th + floor of a building peeping out i had said to my kids, hey dear, see your toy Cars, did i really mean the cars are toys ? . Lol, the error is in your mind and not in the Noble Quran and in the hadith which were spoken based on the Noble Quran since they will not speak anything against what was said in it ?

    Do You know, What Would Have HAPPENED ' IF' the Prophet (pbuh) who had gone to the skies (17:1, 17:12-15) TOLD those Pagans that he saw the EARTH was round (a sphere) ?


    The Pagan Arabs then would have constructed THE tallest tower to climb (like Pharaoh Ordered his construction minister for seeing Allah because Moses(pbuh) said he is in the skies) and see was it real ? That would lead them only to waste their Precious TIME only thinking on this single word and still cannot come to any conclusion untill a satellite photographed it FROM SPACE and even a a Modern Astronomical Telescope found in 16- 17 th century would not have helped untill we travelled to Space to an altitude of more than 100km above EARTH since even myself while flying at 30-40000 feet, still could not find any spheric curve that would satisfy ME that the earth is spherical and so we have to believe NASA , though they had lied about ''Manned'' Missions to Moon. the result should have been that they(Pagan Arabs) would have rejected the Quran as a Lie. So The ALL WISE, God knew VERY WELL what to reveal ? & what not to reveal ? & what to leave it 'VAGUE' ? and how to address it ( The RIGHT DOSAGE OF KNOWLEDGE OR OVER DOSAGE WOULD HAVE KILL THEM ) so that they became believers that changed them like 'Sand into gold'' ( The Gentiles& Pagans, Camel, Sheep herders to the rulers sitting on Throne of Caeser 's Ruling the world in 30-35 years)Subhanallah


    ,So the Prophet(pbuh) rightly commented this in his Last haj sermon few months before his demise

    '' ....................... I leave behind me two things, the Quran and the Sunnah (Hadith), and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and
    may the last ones understand my words better than those who listened to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed your message to your people.............................''

    The above verse was 18:86 (sun set in murky water as figurative speech) so similarly Note verse 18:90 that would further clear your suspicion in a few verses after that verse in 18:90

    ''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.''

    Its He found, '' by the ONLOOKER king Dhulqarnain ''Not Allah found Does it mean its on the people 's head , again a figurative speech we can find in other holy books just to make people understand and those statements is by the ONLOOKER king Dhulqarnain and not the Noble Quran




    See this video It proves Sun is under The Arsh< Allah's throne, This means in the sense its always Prostrating for the half side of the world

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYYP1K4omwM

    But do not forget what I said above , They were Toddlers LARGE dosage of Knowledge will kill their faith like an adult dosage of Medicine to a New Born and by the last days of the world miracles will happen as the sun rising in the west when Prophet (pbuh) rightly prophesied of SINK HOLES , Frequent EARTH quakes, Desert becoming garden That will Happen By the Power of Allah swt.




    But do not forget what I said above , The PEOPLE who were explained were Toddlers to science LARGE dosage of Knowledge will kill their faith like an adult dosage of Medicine to a New Born and by the last days of the world miracles will happen as the sun rising in the west when Prophet (pbuh) rightly prophesied of SINK HOLES , Frequent EARTH quakes, Desert becoming garden That will Happen By the Power of Allah swt.
    [COLOR="#000000"]
    So Dear , why dont you speak about those verses which are Scientific Miracles (brighter side) of Noble Quran Skin Buds, Foetus development, Cytoplasm in 3 verses etc etc etc and one is below a copy & paste from a site

    Brain Functions

    For centuries it was thought that the frontal part of the human brain handled vision (simply because it is near the eyes). Today we know that this part handles speech, not vision.

    The Quran says that disbelievers will be dragged from there liar forehead, that is, the speech part where they utter lies is at the forehead.

    Noble quran '' A lying, sinful forehead. '' http://quran.com/96/16

    Atmospheric Pressure

    Atmospheric pressure decreases with altitude; The higher the altitude the more difficult breathing becomes. Moslems say that this is what Allah says. The Quran says that as we ascend to the sky it becomes more difficult for us to breath:

    [Quran 6.125] Those whom Allah wants to guide, He opens their chests to Islam; And those whom He wants to leave astray, He makes their chests tight and constricted, as if they are ascending to the sky: Such is the penalty of Allah on those who refuse to believe.


    And much , much more, Because its from their Creator, who could know more about his creations than the Creator ? , The Author of the Noble Quran, THE LIVING MIRACLE FOR EVER as Jesus said about Comforter he will be with you FOREVER



    Kindly read this thread '''MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics''.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...by-Apologetics
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    Your answer if a great piece of comedic relief for me. But at the same time it is sad. You seem to love to use generalizations to "prove" your point. You don't pr4ovide any sort of references for your points. It seems that you just want us to accept your blanket statements as fact, which We never can because we know what the truth is. To use your approach I will make a grand sweeping Generalization too: Most Muslims on this forum reject as spurious you generalizations about the Qur'an as unsupported fabrications.


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    So truth Hurts Kafir too who can't find difference between 2008 and 2014. So trouble makers , hijackers keep out . Do not be arrogant on your rep power and do not forget this is a Muslim forum
    and maybe it also hurts someone with 4x as many posts as someone else doesnt it? talibilm you post some informative, well researched posts then spolil it with a `oh my rep count is higher than your rep count so im must be better` comment like a school kid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    why post a smilie face here as if your cool with it then neg rep me in private?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SILURES View Post
    why post a smilie face here as if your cool
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    I posted smile face not because to show I am cool. You have made wrong conclusion on my smile face.
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    The Jews were always behind the corruption of all semetic religions
    including Judaism ?
    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    So what do you expect ? The Christians to keep ALL OF those verses after Galieo was proved '' Exactly Right '' later by other scientists and Telescope ? Some are still there read wiki which points out that ''the Earth does not Move ''
    Galileo was a devout Christian. He saw no contradiction whatsoever between the Bible and his discoveries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
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    Atmospheric pressure decreases with altitude; The higher the altitude the more difficult breathing becomes. Moslems say that this is what Allah says. The Quran says that as we ascend to the sky it becomes more difficult for us to breath:

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    Yes, and anyone who travel from low altitude to high altitude knows this. Chinese and Tibetan not only knew then but actually had medicines treatments for the symptoms for high altitude sickness since B.C. times. So did certain Native American in the Andes Mts who developed their own cures independently. I am sure other cultures did as well, but those are the three cultures that not only my know about

    Did Muhammad actually suggest any treatment for high altitude sickness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    SILURES

    I posted smile face not because to show I am cool. You have made wrong conclusion on my smile face.
    lol not cool as in you personally are cool but ok with my comment.

    no matter anyway, no big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SILURES View Post
    lol not cool as in you personally are cool but ok with my comment.

    no matter anyway, no big deal.
    SILURES

    In fact, my smilly face meant that I agreed what you wrote to talibilm89.
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