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    'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Hi, Peace & greetings to those who seek Guidance,

    Apologetics on line have made it as a big business (Get donations) by attacking the Noble Quran and Its Prophet just to cheat the common man (All, Christians, Jews & Muslims) by Twisting, hiding those verses. Let see some methods how they TWIST the verses of the Noble Quran from their correct meaning.

    1) They never EVEN TRY to refer Why and when those verses were revealed and thats lead to quote them out of Context.

    2)The meaning of a particular verse can also understood by referring to the preceding or the proceeding verse which most of the Apologetics do not care or many times hide them.

    3)Its important to know the whole Quran because many times one verse from one Sura acts as an explanation or Tafsir for the Other verse somewhere in the other sura in an correlated manner like these two verses http://quran.com/17/1 and http://quran.com/53/12-18 and there are many like them.

    4) Also is the remembrance of Hadith and events and their explanation through the hadith or iow explanation or Tafsir is very important. Even knowledgeable Muslims are warned giving opinions of their own (as per hadith ) but refer to the related narration of hadith about a particular verse.

    5) More technicalities like revelation at the same time but distributed different chapters,also suras Like Sura 3 was revealed at 4 different periods etc etc , The first part revealed (1-80 verses) during the arrival of Christian delegation of Najran know from Two narrations of Sahabas one from Sahel bin Abu Umama (raa) ref: Bai haqi) and the next from Rabi(raa) ref: Ibn Abi Hateem and chain of Narrators) (ref Tafsir Ibn Abbas : the extended version in Urdu)

    6)Last but not the least just following all these things still won't be enough untill Allah swt opens our heart and makes us understand the real meaning of them and Allah does that Only to the righteous Pious people who gives them its understanding and who get guided so. and some more rules........which i have not written here

    So Lets start with the Most favourite & Strongest Argument fo the Chrisitian and Jewish Apologetics the verse 10:94 from Noble Quran


    (Noble Quran 10:94)
    '' And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.''



    ( Noble Quran inside brackets)Tafsir or explanation Ibn Abbas outside brackets

    (And if thou) O Muhammad (art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee) concerning that with which We sent Gabriel, i.e. the Qur'an, (then question those who read the Scripture) i.e. the Torah ((that was) before you) 'Abdullah Ibn Salam and his followers.The Prophet (pbuh) did not ask nor was he ever in doubt about the Qur'an. Rather, Allah was addressing with these words the people of the Prophet. (Verily the Truth from thy Lord) i.e. Gabriel with the Qur'an from your Lord, containing the events of past nations (hath come unto thee) O Muhammad. (So be not thou of the waverers) be not of the doubters.

    Elaboration: Could be only understood by seeing When and why this verse was revealed and its Aim. this was THE first chance For The NEW EMIGRANTS to Medina, THE Meccan Muslims,(623 AD) to ask any references from the Torah since Jewish Rabbis of Medina, Abdullah ibn Salam & group , Zayd Ibn Sanah Ibn have embraced Islam (extended tafsir says this verse was mainly intended to the Emigrant Meccan Muslims by addressing to the Prophet(pbuh) ) since they were polytheists not knowing about Gabriel or Scriptures before and that is proved by the FACT most of them were DEAD AGAINST ISLAM with very slow conversion UNLIKE the Polytheists of Medina, The Medinites, who were already acquainted with this Message ( One God,Gabriel, scriptures, after life etc and some notes) because they lived with the 3 Jewish tribes and who used to mock them (the Medinites or the natives of Medina (Yatrib) BOASTING, We Jews are the Chosen People of God and we will come with our Last Prophet and humiliate, belittle, and soon rule over you'' so thats why when the group of 7 or 8 of Medinite Youth who met Prophet (pbuh) at the trade fair in Mecca jumped right away into Islam in few minutes of Prophets words though they have never ever met him before nor asked for any Miracles and returned immediately to convert 80 % of their tribes right away without even Meeting the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

    So The above tafsir is clear enough it refers to asking IFwhether they had any Doubts about Gibraeel or Gabriel who brought the message of Quran was it real are not ? and about the Noble Quran, to check did they(jews) have corresponding same stories ( Adam, Noah,Abraham,Jacob etc etc) in the Torah or not ? since their Cheif Rabbis have sworn Oath of Allegiance to Islam and became devout muslims and its ONLY now the MUSLIMS can openly ask ( not awkward or ugly) from those converted Rabbis, their doubts about Gabriel or above mentioned stories are there in their books Or Not ?

    Verification Of Torah was not a Easy job those days are not like today many Printed Books found widespread
    But those times Scriptures were Hand written and very RARE and Strictly kept By ONLY THE FEW TOP RABBIS, and Abdullah Ibn salam was the MOST RESPECTED JEWISH RABBI FOR THE JEWS LIKE A POPE for the Christians Today and Listen To Abdullah Ibn Salam himself what he says in post # 11 http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...e-be-upon-him)
    But Prophet(pbuh)replied to the verse something like I will not ask anything from Abdullah ibn salam because I HAVE NO DOUBTS so no need to refer about anything AND WHY WOULD HE DOUBT WHEN HE ALREADY FLEW TO JERUSALEM AND THE SKIES AND MET MANY PROPHETS INCLUDING ABRAHAM , MOSES, JESUS ETC (PBU THEM ALL )

    IF DOUBTS OCCUR THEY SHOULD OCCUR WHEN THEY WERE NEW TO ISLAM WHEN HE RECEIVED THE REVELATIONS IN THE 1ST ,2ND OR THE 3RD YEAR AND 4 TH YEAR THE CHRISTIAN KING OF ABYSSINIA CONFIRMED THE SURAH19 MARYAM WAS FROM THE SAME SOURCE, THE TRUE ONE GOD OF THE GOSPEL AND EMBRACED ISLAM IMMEDIATELY and never even discussed the matter of Crucifictiuon AND THAT PROVES NO ONE CAN DOUBT AFTER 13 YEARS AFTER WATCHING Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) PERFORMING GREAT MIRACLES OF THE SPLITTING OF THE MOON ( http://quran.com/54/1-3 ), TRAVEL TO JERUSALEM & SKIES IN THE SAME NIGHT & BACK ( http://quran.com/17/1 , http://quran.com/53/12-15 ) OTHER MANY MIRACLES OF STONE, MOVING & talking, ON IKRIMAH'S REQUEST,Trees,many Animals talking ETC.
    So in this verse .The Christian apologetics Have NO CHANCE TO CLAIM ANYTHING since this Verse is explicitly about the Torah and the Jews.



    This verse was revealed in Medina (Yatrib,623 AD) when Prophet(pbuh) had Migrated From Mecca to Medina(Yatrib) after 10+3 (boycott)= 13 years of Gruesome Hardship where during His arrival the three Emigrant Jewish tribes of Medina who had come from the Civilized Developed Rome and Jerusalem only to receive the last Prophet foretold in their Books waiting for more than a century expecting him within themselves, The Jews, The Progeny of Issac but on knowing that the Prophet has come in the Progeny of Ishamel, The Arabs They the Jews made an U turn to reject Prophet Muhammad except some like Abdullah ibn Salam , Their Cheif And Rabbi and His Family and Group and Zayd Ibn Sanah, the Wealthiest Rabbi and Donated half of his wealth to Muslims and died as A Martyr.
    .

    This Verse actually ALSO PROVES Prophet(pbuh) untill then never checked or read Torah Or Gospel before unlike Apologetics claim and also Woraqa bin Naufal who was the first converted Christian & Learned Person to confirm that the Angel that Muhammad (pbuh) Met & saw was the same Angel who came to Jesus, Moses but had died after just a few days, as per sahih hadith, after Meeting Our Prophet (pbuh) and even after wards Prophet (pbuh) did not try to verify Torah also once Prophet(pbuh)'s face got red angry on seeing Umar(Raa) for reading the Torah at the Prophet's Masjid at Medina because If even Moses was there then he will reading the Noble Quran and Umar(Raa) apologised kneeling down saying '' I am satisfied with Allah as My Lord, Islam as my Deen (way of life) and Muhammad(Salalahu alihi wasallam) as My Nabi(Prophet)





    (Noble Quran 3:3-4)

    '' He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. Aforetime, for a guidance to mankind; and hath revealed the Criterion (of right and wrong). Lo! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. Allah is Mighty, Able to Requite (the wrong)



    Tafsir Ibn Abbas(raa)

    (He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture) He sent you Gabriel with the Scripture (with truth) in order to show truth from falsehood, (confirming) corroborating Allah's divine Oneness (that which was (revealed) before it) of scriptures, (even as He revealed the Torah) in one go to Moses the son of Amran (and the Gospel) in one go to the Jesus the son of Mary.''(Aforetime) before Muhammad and the Qur'an, (for a guidance to mankind) as a guidance from error to the Children of Israel; (and hath revealed the Criterion (of right and wrong)) He revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad in instalments to differentiate the lawful from the unlawful. (Lo! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah) Muhammad and the Qur'an, referring in this context to the delegation of Najran, (theirs will be a heavy doom) in this world and in the next. (Allah is Mighty) powerful in His vengeance, (Able to Requite (the wrong)) able to carry His vengeance out on them.

    Note: Apologetics claim this Quran verse confirms the Torah and the Gospel as the Guidance for All (including the muslims) but the tafsir says THE FURQAAN ( THE other Name of Quran) Or THE CRITERION which points out clearly what is Right Or Wrong, The Noble Quran was revealed 'in order to show (differentiate) truth from falsehood, corroborating or CONFIRMING Allah's divine Oneness '' IOW it refers those verses from Torah and Gospel confirming of the Oneness of Allah and rejecting falsehood WHICH WAS SENT AS GUIDANCE TO THOSE PEOPLE BEFORE (note : the word ' AFORETIME'610 AD approx refers to Jews & Christians) )that was still intact or Uncorrupted in those books at those times. Even NOW a few Such verses are seen such as God in one with no Form, God is not a man who Lies etc and also WARNS disbelievers oh a Heavy Punishment in both the worlds since Allah is all powerful to execute it.



    (Noble Quran 5:47)
    ''Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers.''



    Tafsir Ibn abbas

    (Let the People of the Gospel judge) such that the people of the Gospel elucidate (by that which Allah hath revealed therein) that which Allah has elucidated in the Gospel regarding the traits and description of Muhammad (pbuh) and the legal ruling of stoning. (Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed) He says: whoever does not show that which Allah has elucidated in the Gospel; (such are evil-doers) transgressing disbelievers.

    Note: here the Verse refers to the Christians to judging or shed light or illuminate about the traits of the comforter which has been foretold in John regarding the traits of prophet Muhammad like https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...4+&version=CJB and which suits ONLY Muhammad(pbuh)[/B] The Prophet and also to use the law still intact, unaltered (those days during 623AD) regarding the verses of Stoning etc and Not to Hide them and who does hide them or Do not illuminate the truth are the rebellious and the Next verse strengthens this stance (explanation) more which is http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?...0&LanguageId=2

    In short (after using the next verse not displayed here) it refers Allah has revealed this Quran to differentiate between Truth & falsehood regarding rules & law of Allah's divine Oneness and some laws of stoning still in tact in the previous sripture and safe guarding them (some of those rules still remaining true in in tact) and Not to follow the Vain desire of Jews & Christians by deviating From Guidelines of the Noble Quran and.......there is more, kindly read for yourselves



    NOBLE (QURAN 10:64)

    ''Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph.''



    Tafsir ibn Abbas
    ''(Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world) through good dream visions which they see or are seen in their favour (and in the Hereafter) by entering Paradise. (There is no changing the Words of Allah) that they will enter Paradise (that) good tiding (is the Supreme Triumph) the abounding salvation: they earn Paradise and all that is in it and are saved from hell and all that is in it.

    Note : Even Such a Clear verse as this are also Twisted by apologetics by just quoting ''There is no changing the Words of Allah '' ONLY and fail to explain or Hide the Preceding Part which talks about the promise of Glad tidings in this world and the Herafter and says the is no change in Allah's word about that Good News of Big success of Paradise and safety from the Hell THAT ALLAH HAS PROMISED TO THE BELIEVERS but instead the Mischeif makers try to realate this to their Scriptures and say that their books are in tact and unchanged which if false because Allah WARNS us in these Verses (2:174, 2:75,79, 3:78, 5:15, 5:13-14, 6:91, 7:162,2:87) that they have concealed, distorted, added verses changed their from Right places which is THE BIGGEST SIN for which they will pay for their own such Sins and also for the sins all those Masses they cunningly mislead



    (Quran 18:27)
    And recite that which hath been revealed unto thee of the Scripture of thy Lord. There is none who can change His words, and thou wilt find no refuge beside Him.


    Tafsir
    (And recite that which hath been revealed unto thee of the Scripture of thy Lord) He says: recite to them the Qur'an, neither increasing nor decreasing anything from it. (There is none who can change His words, and thou wilt find no refuge beside Him) beside Allah.

    Note: Here it refers to the recitation of Noble Quran given to thee ,Muhanmmad(pbuh) (unlike the Jews who hid some verses and added some) without increasing or decreasing IOW not changing by concealing or adding because no one has the Authority to change Allah's words.




    (Noble Quran 29:46)
    '' And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender.''



    Tafsir

    ''(And argue not with the People of the Scripture) the Jews and Christians (unless it be in (a way) that is better) i.e. by the Qur'an, (save with such of them as do wrong) from among the delegation of Najran, then you can do so by means of Mula'anah; (and say: We believe in that which has been revealed unto us) i.e. the Qur'an (and revealed unto you) the Torah and the Gospel; (our God and your God is One) He has no son or partner, (and unto Him we surrender) we are sincere to Him in our worship and profession of Allah's divine Oneness, and we believe in Him.

    This verse teaches method of dawah to argue politely as much as possible but gives us the permission to be tough when the opposite side behave unfair as in the case of delegation of Najran Christians (who were arguing too much that lead to Prophet(pbuh) calling to a for Mubahala (Imprecation)or the open swearing of Allah's curse & torment to be on the Liars at which they backed off on their priest's warning http://www.ezsoftech.com/islamic/mubahila.asp ) and also teaches to start with matters which are in common iow talk about the things we agree like One God and his books.Its also known from hadith narrators when Jews try to teach Muslims by translating their books into Arabic prophet told them something like to listen but not to believe or disbelieve in them because the Muslims did not knew Hebrew but say in common that those books were from Our same God who is one who send those books earlier and the Noble Quran to us.But their books did not have porn content those days and were not tampered to the level which is today.

    This sort reply suits the best to be given to People like the group of Abdullah Ibn Salam, The Chief, Rabbi of the Jews (its known from the tafsir next verse) then who are entering Islam that time since Only These people referred to the correct verses of the Torah so they are addressed by Noble Quran as as we believe in that which has been revealed to you (those correct verses) and Since Abdullah ibn salam read & believed those correct verses (without twisting, hiding, concealing or being biased as he was their Chief Rabbi ) and they did not wait to become Muslims and accept Allah and his Prophet. And so its referred as that, we believe those were the books Originally revealed by the same source, One God, Allah (though later got corrupted as in verses 2:174, 2:75,79, 3:78, 5:15, 5:13-14, 6:91, 7:162 ,2:87)

    next verse Muhsin Khan
    Noble Quran 29:47 ''And thus We have sent down the Book (i.e this Quran) to you (O Muhammad SAW), and those whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) aforetime] believe therein as also do some of these (who are present with you now like 'Abdullah bin Salam) and none but the disbelievers reject Our Ayat [(proofs, signs, verses, lessons, etc., and deny Our Oneness of Lordship and Our Oneness of worship and Our Oneness of Our Names and Qualities: i.e. Islamic Monotheism)]

    Allah Knows the best. (since i could not compare them with other tafsir like Mahriful Quran if there were further additional info to the above verses they will be Inshallah -Godwillingly updated)
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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    lol,

    Luke 19:27
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    But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

    I wonder who said this?

    oh wait it was Jesus!

    but he preached Love man! what a unique way to preach Love!
    His love is now. It is appointed unto man once to die, but after this, comes the judgment. these are what our Scriptures say. Just like Allah our God has love and Mercy, but there is his justice as well and in his time. Every season has its place and time. Now is the time for mercy, forgiveness and love, and we are to extend love and mercy, but vengeance is the Lord's. Our job and command is to love, forgive and turn the other cheek. You are not trying to understand, but that is not my fault.

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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ4u View Post
    His love is now. It is appointed unto man once to die, but after this, comes the judgment. these are what our Scriptures say. Just like Allah our God has love and Mercy, but there is his justice as well and in his time. Every season has its place and time. Now is the time for mercy, forgiveness and love, and we are to extend love and mercy, but vengeance is the Lord's. Our job and command is to love, forgive and turn the other cheek. You are not trying to understand, but that is not my fault.
    So you agree that Jesus preached Violence and Slaughter?

    you reject Jesus own words according to your Bible and you tell me I don't understand,

    wake up!
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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    So you agree that Jesus preached Violence and Slaughter?

    you reject Jesus own words according to your Bible and you tell me I don't understand,

    wake up!

    No Jesus did not teach violence and slaughter. Although why you have raised this in a thread about verses in the Quran I'm sure I don't know. For sure it is off topic. But since you raise it. Read in context you will possibly understand that Jesus was using a parable for teaching. Maybe you know what a parable is? Anyway.. No point rolling your eyes or making out others are wacko just because you don't understand what it is from the Bible you are quoting. Best you stick to explaining the Quran, that would be more useful to non muslims.

    Luke 19 11:27

    The Parable of the Ten Minas
    11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12 He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’

    14 “But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’

    15 “He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.

    16 “The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’

    17 “‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’

    18 “The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’

    19 “His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’

    20 “Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21 I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’

    22 “His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’

    24 “Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’

    25 “‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’

    26 “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”

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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    So you agree that Jesus preached Violence and Slaughter?

    you reject Jesus own words according to your Bible and you tell me I don't understand,

    wake up!
    You shouldn't call people and condescending tell them to wake up because you don't understand. For course Jesus didn't preach violence and slaughter, but Jesus speaks for God and God allows Jesus to do the judgment on the last day to the unbelieving and fearful mockers. God does this so that we might honor the son the same as the father for he who doesn't love the son the same as the father loves not the father who sent him.

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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    In case you still don't get it....The enemies who rejected the king in the parable are representative of the Jewish nation that rejected Christ while He walked on earth...... and everyone who still denies Him today. When Jesus returns to establish His kingdom, at the end of days, one of the first things He will do is utterly defeat His enemies. It does not pay to fight against the King of kings. God does not give the gift of the Son lightly for those who reject the gift I guess the price must be paid. God gives judgment to the Son... That's why Jesus will return .

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    Oh and just for the record... Jesus did not teach that we should be slaying people for non belief in Him or in any way using violence against another. Why? Because we know it's not our place to judge. Jesus gave people free choice to accept or reject the message He gave, we as Christians have to do likewise if we are to follow Him.

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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbed View Post
    In case you still don't get it....The enemies who rejected the king in the parable are representative of the Jewish nation that rejected Christ while He walked on earth...... and everyone who still denies Him today. When Jesus returns to establish His kingdom, at the end of days, one of the first things He will do is utterly defeat His enemies. It does not pay to fight against the King of kings. God does not give the gift of the Son lightly for those who reject the gift I guess the price must be paid. God gives judgment to the Son... That's why Jesus will return .
    Thanks for making it crystal, but I get the impression he doesn't want to understand from the way he attacks the gospel and Jesus' words.

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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbed View Post
    No Jesus did not teach violence and slaughter. Although why you have raised this in a thread about verses in the Quran I'm sure I don't know. For sure it is off topic. But since you raise it. Read in context you will possibly understand that Jesus was using a parable for teaching. Maybe you know what a parable is? Anyway.. No point rolling your eyes or making out others are wacko just because you don't understand what it is from the Bible you are quoting. Best you stick to explaining the Quran, that would be more useful to non muslims.

    Luke 19 11:27

    The Parable of the Ten Minas
    11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12 He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’

    14 “But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’

    15 “He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.

    16 “The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’

    17 “‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’

    18 “The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’

    19 “His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’

    20 “Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21 I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’

    22 “His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’

    24 “Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’

    25 “‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’

    26 “He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”
    lol,

    Bringing your enemies and slaughtering them in front of you is Violence,

    why you guys cannot admit this blatant fact beats me,

    I brought this up because Christians like you bring up ayaat concerning Jihaad fi Sabilillah and misquote and decieve the reader,

    whilst the Bible itself says Jesus was a Propogator of Jihaad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    lol,

    Bringing your enemies and slaughtering them in front of you is Violence,

    why you guys cannot admit this blatant fact beats me,

    I brought this up because Christians like you bring up ayaat concerning Jihaad fi Sabilillah and misquote and decieve the reader,

    whilst the Bible itself says Jesus was a Propogator of Jihaad

    I misquote what? Can you prove that I misquote the Quran? I copied and paste it from the Quran; so how do you figure that to be a misquote or did you mean I misconceived the verse? Even that you cannot prove, because I said I take the verse for what it says and that it is clear not in need of interpretations. why do you say Jesus is the propagator of Jihaad, when that is not what you really believe? Why don;t you get real here?

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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    lol,

    Bringing your enemies and slaughtering them in front of you is Violence,

    why you guys cannot admit this blatant fact beats me,

    I brought this up because Christians like you bring up ayaat concerning Jihaad fi Sabilillah and misquote and decieve the reader,

    whilst the Bible itself says Jesus was a Propogator of Jihaad

    I misquote what? Can you prove that I misquote the Quran? I copied and paste it from the Quran; so how do you figure that to be a misquote or did you mean I misconceived the verse? Even that you cannot prove, because I said I take the verse for what it says and that it is clear not in need of interpretations. why do you say Jesus is the propagator of Jihaad, when that is not what you really believe? Why don;t you get real here? By the way, is the forum down; I am having trouble getting into my inbox?

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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    lol,

    Bringing your enemies and slaughtering them in front of you is Violence,

    why you guys cannot admit this blatant fact beats me,

    I brought this up because Christians like you bring up ayaat concerning Jihaad fi Sabilillah and misquote and decieve the reader,

    whilst the Bible itself says Jesus was a Propogator of Jihaad

    Lol.... I just can't make out if you're being deliberately obtuse wilfully misunderstanding explanations or your eyes, ears, heart and mind have been sealed. Jesus did not incite His followers to acts of violence against other nor was He ever violent Himself. The parable as I explained is used to illustrate the end of days judgement, when Jesus returns to judge both the living and the dead. You should remember Gods righteous wrath is just and the result of the judgement upon mankind which God has entrusted to the Son.. Jesus.

    Is your problem in seeking to somehow justify the idea of Jihaad in Jesus makes you feel happier about the violence of Jihaad towards non believers in the Quran? I have always understood the term Jihaad was to mean spiritual struggle within oneself and NOT violence towards others. So I'm not understanding your issue here. I certainly did not bring any Suras to misquote or deceive the readers. I'm not overly concerned with how others see or interpret the Quran. I do find it irritating when people like you make cheap shots through wilful ignorance in regards to the scriptures that came before. Although if I'm honest it makes no difference to a christians faith, our salvation is upon faith in the Word of God... Jesus... Not only words on a page. Besides you'll have to answer for your actions at your life's end as I will mine. So words that pass between us in the here and now count for very little.

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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ4u View Post
    You call me a Psychopath troll and mock and laugh at the Bible. I have said nothing against you or Islam and received a negative reputation report. I have nothing more to say to you. Jesus was and is right as always: Matthew 7:6
    You follow Paul the liar. Not jesus. Just to make it blatantly clear to you
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ4u View Post
    I misquote what? Can you prove that I misquote the Quran? I copied and paste it from the Quran; so how do you figure that to be a misquote or did you mean I misconceived the verse? Even that you cannot prove, because I said I take the verse for what it says and that it is clear not in need of interpretations. why do you say Jesus is the propagator of Jihaad, when that is not what you really believe? Why don;t you get real here? By the way, is the forum down; I am having trouble getting into my inbox?
    You misquoted it out of context. What's the context in which this verse was told? Do you know? Do you care to know?

    Nah dint think so
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    If indeed Jihad is spiritual striving as I thought it stood for (not violent struggle with others) then there is a "jihad" (spiritual striving) in Christianity. Jihad in Christianity is intrinsic to the faith. There is no mention in the New Testament of this “striving” (jihad) being tied to anything except the spiritual life, for the term jihad in Christianity means striving against sin.

    Jesus taught about jihad.

    He told his disciples “Strive to enter in at the narrow gate…”
    In Luke 13:24. He wanted them to put their sight towards the faith in him and in his life as an example.
    The Christian gate is narrow because it requires faith in Jesus and what he did to save us.

    Jesus’ actions speak as well.

    When the Roman soldiers arrested Jesus and led him to the Roman governor, he asked Jesus, “Am I a Jew? It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?” Jesus said “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place” John 18:35-36. Jesus never asked his followers to fight for him or for their beliefs; instead he commanded them to love their enemies. Jihad in Jesus teaching is a spiritual jihad only.

    Jesus’ disciples also taught about jihad.

    Paul in 1 Timothy 6:12 said, “Fight the good fight of the faith”; and in 2 Timothy 4:7, “I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.” Paul never raised a sword against anyone!
    2 Peter 3:14...“ So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.”
    2 Peter 1:5-7....“For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.”

    So I guess it depends on your understanding of the term jihad.. If you interpret it to mean spiritual striving within oneself with the aim of seeking to make oneself right with God, then yes.. Jesus both practiced and propagated jihad. If you interpret it to mean committing acts of violence towards another in an effort to persuade them to your way of thinking.... Then No, Jesus did not practice nor did He propagate that.

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    Arbed, seriously don't you have Paul and Constantine to worship or something?

    Do you remember Mathew 7 -21-23 ???

    That's u jesus is addressing.
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by candyapple View Post
    You misquoted it out of context. What's the context in which this verse was told? Do you know? Do you care to know?

    Nah didnt think so
    I misquoted what verse out of context? Do you know what it is I misquoted... Do you care? What kind of posts is this of yours? You ask me questions and then you answer them for me. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by candyapple View Post
    Arbed, seriously don't you have Paul and Constantine to worship or something?

    Do you remember Mathew 7 -21-23 ???

    That's u jesus is addressing.
    How would you feel if someone said that to you about your apostle of Islam? You should treat people the way you want to be treated. Matthew 7 is about receiving back the same kind of judgment you dish out. This post of your is rude and unfriendly, and you'll reap what you sow. Besides, you are breaking rules here

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    Quote Originally Posted by candyapple View Post
    You follow Paul the liar. Not jesus. Just to make it blatantly clear to you
    If I follow Paul I do well, because he followed Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by candyapple View Post
    Arbed, seriously don't you have Paul and Constantine to worship or something?

    Do you remember Mathew 7 -21-23 ???

    That's u jesus is addressing.
    You shame no one but yourself by your rudeness... Well, yourself and maybe also your ummah if you claim to represent muslims. Thankfully, it's plain that you do not represent the majority of muslims. Praise God for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ4u View Post
    How would you feel if someone said that to you about your apostle of Islam? You should treat people the way you want to be treated. Matthew 7 is about receiving back the same kind of judgment you dish out. This post of your is rude and unfriendly, and you'll reap what you sow. Besides, you are breaking rules here

    AJ4u... Nah.. Let it go. Miss candy apple is a rude kinda girl. it seems rule breaking for some is acceptable. It does well to remember that God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbed View Post
    AJ4u... Nah.. Let it go. Miss candy apple is a rude kinda girl. it seems rule breaking for some is acceptable. It does well to remember that God is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent.
    I know, but she needed to be confronted. now she is more accountable then before

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ4u View Post
    You shouldn't call people and condescending tell them to wake up because you don't understand. For course Jesus didn't preach violence and slaughter, but Jesus speaks for God and God allows Jesus to do the judgment on the last day to the unbelieving and fearful mockers. God does this so that we might honor the son the same as the father for he who doesn't love the son the same as the father loves not the father who sent him.
    Jesus as is gonna fight against antichrist...and its misguided followers behind stones and trees...yet you say he ll only speak for mercy.Tye mercy part was in his initial life on earth.He has to come as a messiah with awaited war against antichrist plus army.
    Now your part shows trinity with rejection of jesus as being alpha and omega
    ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ4u View Post
    I misquoted what verse out of context? Do you know what it is I misquoted... Do you care? What kind of posts is this of yours? You ask me questions and then you answer them for me. LOL
    Awwe looky here. We have a clever clogs using the "respond questions with counter questions" tactic.

    Old mate. Old.
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    You shame no one but yourself by your rudeness... Well, yourself and maybe also your ummah if you claim to represent muslims. Thankfully, it's plain that you do not represent the majority of muslims. Praise God for that.
    When I'm being seriously BLUNT about WHO you're worshipping - and it is a FACT- that Paul the liar and Constantine polluted your bible with contradictory anti-christian ideology- meaning the true christians are now died out, or in fact, we muslims are true followers of jesus- you call me rude.. lol

    Yea, maybe but it's the honest truth. Something you clearly lack.

    And what happened to your lovey Dovey facade? Died out I see... clearly you ain't turning the other cheek ahhaha

    And what do you mean by "praise God? " praise Paul? You can't. He dead. The real christians beheaded him for his evil lies. Oops.

    And Jesus NEVER said he was God.

    I rest my case.
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ4u View Post
    How would you feel if someone said that to you about your apostle of Islam? You should treat people the way you want to be treated. Matthew 7 is about receiving back the same kind of judgment you dish out. This post of your is rude and unfriendly, and you'll reap what you sow. Besides, you are breaking rules here
    Does it hurt???

    Okay.

    You worship Paul the liar. Not Jesus.

    Jesus don't know you, oh ye workers of lawlessness!! -Mathew 7 21-23
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Does it hurt???

    Okay.

    You worship Paul the liar. Not Jesus.

    Jesus don't know you, oh ye workers of lawlessness!! -Mathew 7 21-23
    It doesn't hurt me; it hurts you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by candyapple View Post
    Awwe looky here. We have a clever clogs using the "respond questions with counter questions" tactic.

    Old mate. Old.
    You didn't answer my question and there is no substance to this post of yours. I can have a dialogue with you doing these kind of post. Why did you even bother responding. You make claims about Paul and me that you don't back up

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    Quote Originally Posted by snow_flakes View Post
    Jesus as is gonna fight against antichrist...and its misguided followers behind stones and trees...yet you say he ll only speak for mercy.Tye mercy part was in his initial life on earth.He has to come as a messiah with awaited war against antichrist plus army.
    Now your part shows trinity with rejection of jesus as being alpha and omega
    Where did I say he only speaks of mercy? "Vengeance is mine says the Lord. I will repay." We Christians are not ignorant of Satan's device and we know Jesus is coming to bring justice against all who would not have him rule over them as Lord!

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    Quote Originally Posted by candyapple View Post
    When I'm being seriously BLUNT about WHO you're worshipping - and it is a FACT- that Paul the liar and Constantine polluted your bible with contradictory anti-christian ideology- meaning the true christians are now died out, or in fact, we muslims are true followers of jesus- you call me rude.. lol

    Yea, maybe but it's the honest truth. Something you clearly lack.

    And what happened to your lovey Dovey facade? Died out I see... clearly you ain't turning the other cheek ahhaha

    And what do you mean by "praise God? " praise Paul? You can't. He dead. The real christians beheaded him for his evil lies. Oops.

    And Jesus NEVER said he was God.

    I rest my case.
    My dear, you don't know what you're talking about.. You just post some random question ( usually containing vitriol against Paul... My I don't know why you hate him so much) you then give some random answer to your own question.. The end.. Oh and some kind of petty insult added for good measure.

    Why do you bother with the comparative religion section if you have nothing to contribute? You only harm yourself by your posts.. I can assure you my face isn't bothered,

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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

    Candyapple,

    Do you remember Mathew 7 -21-23 ???


    Originally Posted by AJ4u ,

    You shouldn't call people and condescending tell them to wake up because you don't understand. For course Jesus didn't preach violence and slaughter, but Jesus speaks for God and God allows Jesus to do the judgment on the last day to the unbelieving and fearful mockers. God does this so that we might honor the son the same as the father for he who doesn't love the son the same as the father loves not the father who sent him.


    Quote Originally Posted by AJ4u View Post
    Where did I say he only speaks of mercy? "Vengeance is mine says the Lord. I will repay." We Christians are not ignorant of Satan's device and we know Jesus is coming to bring justice against all who would not have him rule over them as Lord!
    Contradictory statements about jesus as....
    ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbed View Post
    If indeed Jihad is spiritual striving as I thought it stood for (not violent struggle with others) then there is a "jihad" (spiritual striving) in Christianity. Jihad in Christianity is intrinsic to the faith. There is no mention in the New Testament of this “striving” (jihad) being tied to anything except the spiritual life, for the term jihad in Christianity means striving against sin.

    Jesus taught about jihad.

    He told his disciples “Strive to enter in at the narrow gate…”
    In Luke 13:24. He wanted them to put their sight towards the faith in him and in his life as an example.
    The Christian gate is narrow because it requires faith in Jesus and what he did to save us.

    Jesus’ actions speak as well.

    When the Roman soldiers arrested Jesus and led him to the Roman governor, he asked Jesus, “Am I a Jew? It was your people and your chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?” Jesus said “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place” John 18:35-36. Jesus never asked his followers to fight for him or for their beliefs; instead he commanded them to love their enemies. Jihad in Jesus teaching is a spiritual jihad only.

    Jesus’ disciples also taught about jihad.

    Paul in 1 Timothy 6:12 said, “Fight the good fight of the faith”; and in 2 Timothy 4:7, “I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.” Paul never raised a sword against anyone!
    2 Peter 3:14...“ So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.”
    2 Peter 1:5-7....“For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.”

    So I guess it depends on your understanding of the term jihad.. If you interpret it to mean spiritual striving within oneself with the aim of seeking to make oneself right with God, then yes.. Jesus both practiced and propagated jihad. If you interpret it to mean committing acts of violence towards another in an effort to persuade them to your way of thinking.... Then No, Jesus did not practice nor did He propagate that.
    What is jehad? Explain it....i d like to know which part seems violence and how have taken the word jehad and debating as if you know its whole rules.Which part of christianity with slap on one cheek presenting the other fits in...And which part of crusades fits in if they dont believe in holy wars.
    ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbed View Post
    My dear, you don't know what you're talking about.. You just post some random question ( usually containing vitriol against Paul... My I don't know why you hate him so much) you then give some random answer to your own question.. The end.. Oh and some kind of petty insult added for good measure.

    Why do you bother with the comparative religion section if you have nothing to contribute? You only harm yourself by your posts.. I can assure you my face isn't bothered,
    You are insulting and judging her and at the same time expect nice debate...Paul presented something when he was not mentally stable...or deliberately did it...but thats comletely opposite what jesus as taught.Paganistic rituals are added to fool masses of romans.Neither was he a disciple.
    ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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    Quote Originally Posted by snow_flakes View Post
    Contradictory statements about jesus as....
    What are the contradictory statement about Jesus? If you are not seeing things that are not there, point them out so we can all see what in the world you are talking about. Really, do you carefully read what I am writing or just do cursory reviews and pop up with knee jerk responses as you post. I have found both yours and candy apple's posts incoherent when it comes to spiritual matters concerning Jesus Christ and Christianity....

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    You are insulting and judging her and at the same time expect nice debate...Paul presented something when he was not mentally stable...or deliberately did it...but thats comletely opposite what jesus as taught.Paganistic rituals are added to fool masses of romans.Neither was he a disciple.
    I don't see any insults hurled from Arbed. She is just calling it the way she sees it in a truthful manner trying hard not to be offensive, but sometimes offences are not avoidable.

    Apparently Arbed is contributing to debates in a scholarly polite manner. I haven't seen a nice debate coming form Candy apple she is doing what you accuse Arbed of. She is judgmental and insulting. Bring up valid points to discuss, and we'll deal with the issues, but what point is there in insulting and accusing people falsely?. Just what is it about Paul. You don't like? He didn't make up the crucifixion story, the virgin birth of Jesus. He was a Jew who was more against Christians than the religious leadership he was a part of. Jesus change his life like he has done to many Muslims in the same way.

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    What is jehad? Explain it....i d like to know which part seems violence and how have taken the word jehad and debating as if you know its whole rules.Which part of christianity with slap on one cheek presenting the other fits in...And which part of crusades fits in if they dont believe in holy wars.
    Sorry I don't understand your point. The term Jihad is not used in Christianity, if you mean does the concept of Jihad exist in Christianity as it does in Islam, then I would repeat what I said in my above post... Which you obviously didn't bother to read properly.. Spiritual jihad exists in both religions... Violent Jihad does not.

    Jesus taught we are to strive spiritually towards Gods way. Jesus did not teach we were to go forth and kill or otherwise violently oppose any people's who refused his message.

    Don't bring the Crusades into the mix if you don't understand what it was about. If you can't judge between the biblical teachings of Jesus and the base actions of mankind. Then there is no point. Besides I expect you have your own version of history on that one.

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    You are insulting and judging her and at the same time expect nice debate...Paul presented something when he was not mentally stable...or deliberately did it...but thats comletely opposite what jesus as taught.Paganistic rituals are added to fool masses of romans.Neither was he a disciple.
    Are you having a laugh!!!!! I have never expected nice debate from Candy apple, as I have never once seen her contribute anything worthwhile in the way of dialogue to any topic... Except to call Paul and often the op liars. Neither of you know Paul and yet you judge him a liar and corrupter of scripture. Well... Your actions are on your head as mine are upon mine. We will be judged accordingly.

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    What are the contradictory statement about Jesus? If you are not seeing things that are not there, point them out so we can all see what in the world you are talking about. Really, do you carefully read what I am writing or just do cursory reviews and pop up with knee jerk responses as you post. I have found both yours and candy apple's posts incoherent when it comes to spiritual matters concerning Jesus Christ and Christianity....
    See post 70...btw this topic has been debated any times but not answered by likes of you at all..rather repetitive non sense...

    As far as arbed s posts are concerned....her past comments about islam and prophet is enogh for knee jerk responses of her new polite posts of evangelical christianity even.
    You came as a seeker of islam and start debating it? Atleast come up with honest intentions.
    ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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    Are you having a laugh!!!!! I have never expected nice debate from Candy apple, as I have never once seen her contribute anything worthwhile in the way of dialogue to any topic... Except to call Paul and often the op liars. Neither of you know Paul and yet you judge him a liar and corrupter of scripture. Well... Your actions are on your head as mine are upon mine. We will be judged accordingly.
    Paul was a lier no doubt...and to gain the population of christian pagans trust...christianity had to be indoctrinated with bit of paganism of rome ...otherwise it rebellion from large population was expected.Roman king couldnt afford this...so today you ve christianity with 40 versions...and new personalities comes up with new versions each time...
    ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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    Sorry I don't understand your point. The term Jihad is not used in Christianity, if you mean does the concept of Jihad exist in Christianity as it does in Islam, then I would repeat what I said in my above post... Which you obviously didn't bother to read properly.. Spiritual jihad exists in both religions... Violent Jihad does not.

    Jesus taught we are to strive spiritually towards Gods way. Jesus did not teach we were to go forth and kill or otherwise violently oppose any people's who refused his message.

    Don't bring the Crusades into the mix if you don't understand what it was about. If you can't judge between the biblical teachings of Jesus and the base actions of mankind. Then there is no point. Besides I expect you have your own version of history on that one.
    Why not bring crusades or holy wars if you can bring jehad to blame it on muslims and justify christianity with peace but practice the opposite.
    Preach or debate what is truth.Jehad word is used by you in post 54...that jesus disciples also taught jehad...
    So now you are changing jehad meanings...Come up with solid excuses.
    ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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    Re: 'MISQUOTED' Noble Quran verses by Apologetics.

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    See post 70...btw this topic has been debated any times but not answered by likes of you at all..rather repetitive non sense...

    As far as arbed s posts are concerned....her past comments about islam and prophet is enogh for knee jerk responses of her new polite posts of evangelical christianity even.
    You came as a seeker of islam and start debating it? Atleast come up with honest intentions.
    you said in post 70 contradictory statements about Jesus, but you don't tell me what those are. Then you said i said I said only Jesus only spoke of mercy and I said prove I said that. You post I said things I didn't say. And then you judge me on honesty. How can anyone have a discussion or debate with that???

 

 

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