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    Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Peace of greetings for those who strive to be guided,

    Why is Jesus not the Son of God ?

    The Best Logic Reply is the Video. Kindly give a chance to your Consciences , do not suppress it . Since its your Duty to search God like you search even in the simplest things needed for your Life. But God is the TOP MOST IMPORTANT need of Life.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=sREemKFBJX8

    May The All Mighty, Lord guide us all, Ameen.

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

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    eldon

    I suggest you to refer the Greek-English dictionaries and will get out of the confusion you are in. Honestly brother.
    Fallacy,

    especially since Jesus(pbuh) wasn't a Greek, and you refer to a Translation, and have not the Original Hebrew/Aramaic text ...

    assuming there was one to begin with,
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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    eldon

    I suggest you to refer the Greek-English dictionaries and will get out of the confusion you are in. Honestly brother.
    ha ha! every definition I gave was straight out of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, look them up yourself so you KNOW!
    The Quran is a plain statement to men, a guidance and instruction to those who fear Allah, So lose not heart nor fall into despair, for ye MUST gain mastery if ye are true in faith. 3:138, 139 http://www.scribd.com/doc/116767121/...rlasting-Gospe

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

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    Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it… Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (Quran 2:75,79)**



    *There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Quran 3:78)****But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind. From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Quran 5:13-14)***

    No just estimate of Allah do they make when they say: "Nothing doth Allah send down to man (by way of revelation)" Say: "Who then sent down the Book which Moses brought?- a light and guidance to man: But ye make it into (separate) sheets for show, while ye conceal much (of its contents): therein were ye taught that which ye knew not- neither ye nor your fathers." Say: "Allah (sent it down)": Then leave them to plunge in vain discourse and trifling. (Quran 6:91)***

    But those who wronged among them changed [the words] to a statement other than that which had been said to them. So We sent upon them a punishment from the sky for the wrong that they were doing. [quran 7:162]*










    JAZAKALLAH, For THE APPROPRIATE VERSES for the TOPIC. Let me add another few to them from Quran

    3:66 ''Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that which you have NO knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and you know not.

    19:88-92

    ''They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!''


    "Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!''

    ''At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin''

    ,''That they should invoke a son for (Allah) THE Most Gracious.''


    ''For it is not consonant with THE Majesty of (Allah) THE Most Gracious that He should beget a son''


    To those who call SO , how about If I address you as a RAT, a Pig,a Dog ( don't scold me please, sorry ) does that consonant 's with your status ? But I will say YES its nearly consonants with the Status of Man ( You & Me & All of us, We stink the worst than rats & pig in a few days after we are dead if not burried Soon). Because They do have common sense but we have it more than them is the ONE of a few differences but in many things we are the same. but still we get VERY Angry.

    God (Allah) is THE Creator and he creates by His ''WORD'' 'Be ' at 'is' and do Not have to commit THE Cheap act of sex (means Begetting -Sire ) which is a lower animal act and act of us Humans. But your Creator Allah,'' THE DIFFERENCES '' between you And HIM is Unimaginable (31:27) and how dare you compare him to the Son of a Man ? (when you get Angry for comparing YOU with an Animal ?) That's call SHIRK or associating Partners with Allah, the biggest unforgivable injustice for which you will BURN in hell for ever
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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by eldon View Post
    ha ha! every definition I gave was straight out of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, look them up yourself so you KNOW!
    The Holy Scriptures speak of “the only-begotten son” of a widow who lived in the city of Nain, of Jairus’ “only-begotten daughter,” and of a man’s “only-begotten” son whom Jesus cured of a demon. (Lu 7:11, 12; 8:41, 42; 9:38) The Greek Septuagint uses mo·no·ge·nes′ when speaking of Jephthah’s daughter, concerning whom it is written: “Now she was absolutely the only child. Besides her he had neither son nor daughter.”—Jg 11:34.
    So when you see that you have insufficient knowledge in Greek language and the Bible, why don't you show humble attitude? The Bible reminds you in Proverbs 21:4 — Haughty eyes and an arrogant heart —The lamp that guides the wicked is sin.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    eldon

    Here is additional material for your knowledge:

    —LSJ Gloss:


    μονογενής
    only-begotten, single


    http://studybible.info/strongs/G3439

    — Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament WordsChild, Children, Childbearing, Childish, Childless
    Only
    Only Begotten

    — The dictionary of Thayer:
    1) single of its kind, only
    1a) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
    1b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God

    As I already wrote to you brothers, if any of you wants to learn the truth & the Holy Scriptures make your mind free of bias and be neutral and open new thread and call it: 'What is the truth' and if you are looking out with honest heart for truth, you will find it because the greatest prophet Jesus Christ promised You:

    Matthew 7:7-11 — “Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you; 8 for everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking, it will be opened. 9 Indeed, which one of you, if his son asks for bread, will hand him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, he will not hand him a serpent, will he? 11 Therefore, if you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will your Father who is in the heavens give good things to those asking him!
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    The Holy Scriptures speak of “the only-begotten son” of a widow who lived in the city of Nain, of Jairus’ “only-begotten daughter,” and of a man’s “only-begotten” son whom Jesus cured of a demon. (Lu 7:11, 12; 8:41, 42; 9:38) The Greek Septuagint uses mo·no·ge·nes′ when speaking of Jephthah’s daughter, concerning whom it is written: “Now she was absolutely the only child. Besides her he had neither son nor daughter.”—Jg 11:34.
    So when you see that you have insufficient knowledge in Greek language and the Bible, why don't you show humble attitude? The Bible reminds you in Proverbs 21:4 — Haughty eyes and an arrogant heart —The lamp that guides the wicked is sin.
    We have to accept with Causative's stance (its acceptable ethically, morally? or not is a different question) but the Verse John 3:16 meant " Begotten' because I find further Proof in the Quran which is as it was before 1430 years in the above post # 43 and confirmed by another verse of the bible in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son" (KJV).

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    We have to accept with Causative's stance (its acceptable ethically, morally? or not is a different question) but the Verse John 3:16 meant " Begotten' because I find further Proof in the Quran which is as it was before 1430 years in the above post # 43 and confirmed by another verse of the bible in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son" (KJV).
    talibilm09

    When God's word says about Son of God he is begotten it does not mean that God had wife and from her a son. Of course it is unthinkable that God should have a son resulting from relations with a woman or that he would marry and beget children. God is unique. What humans do to reproduce should never be applied to him. This is precisely what the Holy Scriptures teach and emphasize. Why, then, do the Holy Scriptures use the expression “son of God” in many instances? For example, it is said that Adam was a “son of God.” (Luke 3:38) But how could that be? The Torah explains: “And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man [Adam] out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7) Therefore, Adam was called a son of God because his life came from God without human parents. Similarly, Jesus Christ is called the son of God, for his life came directly from God. We read in the Qur’ān: “The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: ‘Be’: And he was.”—Āl ‘Imrān [3]:59.

    So did You get it my brothers? I hope you do NOW.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    talibilm09

    When God's word says about Son of God he is begotten it does not mean that God had wife and from her a son. Of course it is unthinkable that God should have a son resulting from relations with a woman or that he would marry and beget children. God is unique. What humans do to reproduce should never be applied to him. This is precisely what the Holy Scriptures teach and emphasize. Why, then, do the Holy Scriptures use the expression “son of God” in many instances? For example, it is said that Adam was a “son of God.” (Luke 3:38) But how could that be? The Torah explains: “And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man [Adam] out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7) Therefore, Adam was called a son of God because his life came from God without human parents. Similarly, Jesus Christ is called the son of God, for his life came directly from God. We read in the Qur’ān: “The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: ‘Be’: And he was.”—Āl ‘Imrān [3]:59.

    So did You get it my brothers? I hope you do NOW.
    How ever you dress up or make window dressing that does not make void what it meant in antiquity in your New testaments. So as YOU said in your post # 14 in the below quote

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    talibilm09

    There are people like you (Muslims) who refuse to accept the truth. The NRV translate comity has chosen to not take in consideration what the oldest manuscripts represent and they omitted the word "begotten" from their translation. But still it does not change the fact that the word "begotten" is used in John 3:16.
    So Modern Christians are coming to terms with the Quran's TEACHING that its a BLUNDER to think it's a Carnal relationship. So the NEW REVISED VERSIONS have removed the word begotten from their new editions ( their usual buisness of editing right from 1600 years- Like Bart D Ehrman says) while the orthodox have stick to their Antiquity and have not removed the word 'begotten' in the kjv and other vesrions, as Dr Zaik Naik says in the OP video.

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    talibilm09

    When God's word says about Son of God he is begotten it does not mean that God had wife and from her a son. Of course it is unthinkable that God should have a son resulting from relations with a woman or that he would marry and beget children. God is unique. What humans do to reproduce should never be applied to him. This is precisely what the Holy Scriptures teach and emphasize. Why, then, do the Holy Scriptures use the expression “son of God” in many instances? For example, it is said that Adam was a “son of God.” (Luke 3:38) But how could that be? The Torah explains: “And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man [Adam] out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7) Therefore, Adam was called a son of God because his life came from God without human parents. Similarly, Jesus Christ is called the son of God, for his life came directly from God. We read in the Qur’ān: “The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: ‘Be’: And he was.”—Āl ‘Imrān [3]:59.

    So did You get it my brothers? I hope you do NOW.
    Lol lol lol desperate times calls for desperate lies, ey????

    Lets see the definition of begetting, ey?

    beget bɪˈgɛt/verb.

    (especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction."they hoped that the King might beget an heir by his new queen"





    You christians cease to lose battles graciously.

    and you call yourself a christian. *scoffs*



    Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,
    Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
    He neither begets nor is born,
    Nor is there to Him any equivalent."




    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    How ever you dress up or make window dressing that does not make void what it meant in antiquity in your New testaments. So as YOU said in your post # 14 in the below quote



    So Modern Christians are coming to terms with the Quran's TEACHING that its a BLUNDER to think it's a Carnal relationship. So the NEW REVISED VERSIONS have removed the word begotten from their new editions ( their usual buisness of editing right from 1600 years- Like Bart D Ehrman says) while the orthodox have stick to their Antiquity and have not removed the word 'begotten' in the kjv and other vesrions, as Dr Zaik Naik says in the OP video.
    I think this is one of the most humiliating moments for Causative. He has to resort to lies to disguise his false blaspheming allegations about God.

    looks like he's confused. Poor sod.
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by candyapple View Post
    I think this is one of the most humiliating moments for Causative. He has to resort to lies to disguise his false blaspheming allegations about God.

    looks like he's confused. Poor sod.
    Sister, see his another post # 476 in thread ''Questions to Muslims on Islam & Quran ''

    Quote Originally Posted by Jihaaaaaaad View Post
    Causative

    Do you consider Jesus to be the only begotten Son of God? If not then explain why? Thank you

    Causative replies to jihaaad


    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    Yes! He is God's only begotten Son. But I'm sure you have no clue what the word "begotten" mean in the Biblical term. You think about sexual relationship as your imams teach you. Am I right?!
    If a word does not mean that word than how could we live in this world ? You asked for a shoe and he gives a hat ? lol particularly in these sort of delicate sensitive issues.

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

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    Lol lol lol desperate times calls for desperate lies, ey????

    Lets see the definition of begetting, ey?

    beget bɪˈgɛt/verb.
    candyapple

    I have already rovided sufficient material to educate you. You need ro accept facts, otherwise you will look like little silly child who does not want to open eyes and see the facts. Be wise brother.
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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    candyapple

    I have already rovided sufficient material to educate you. You need ro accept facts, otherwise you will look like little silly child who does not want to open eyes and see the facts. Be wise brother.
    Hello?

    Im a female.

    who's looking like a silly kid now..
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by candyapple View Post
    Hello?

    Im a female.

    who's looking like a silly kid now..
    Be wise sister.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by candyapple View Post
    Hello?

    Im a female.

    who's looking like a silly kid now..
    Honest mistake, I've been mistaken for male here too, just honest mistake

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

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    Honest mistake, I've been mistaken for male here too, just honest mistake
    Kuro Fox

    I did the same honest mistake about her gender but I doubt she will believe us.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

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    Doesnt your bible have 110,000 contradictions in it???
    candyapple

    No, my Bible does not have contradictions. Your Qur'aaans have loads of contradictions.

    word of God?
    Yes. If you don't accept it, the word of God would not become word of man sister.

    word of Paul the satan.
    Please calm down sister. Unger would't bring you any good. By the way read what does the teaching of the Son of God says:

    The wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, reasonable, ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, not hypocritical.

    But when I read your posts I can see opposite. Do you realise what does it means?
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    candyapple

    No, my Bible does not have contradictions. Your Qur'aaans have loads of contradictions.
    http://www.answering-christianity.co...radictions.htm

    I dare you to give me ONE contradiction in the Koran like those found in the Bible.

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jihaaaaaaad View Post
    I dare you to give me ONE contradiction in the Koran like those found in the Bible.
    Jihaaaaaaad

    Please see first post on first page.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    Jihaaaaaaad

    Please see first post on first page.
    Where? The first post is about a video and your first post is about KJV's Bible and the word "begotten." Where's the mention of the Qur'an and "its contradictions?"

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

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    eldon

    Here is additional material for your knowledge:

    —LSJ Gloss:


    μονογενής
    only-begotten, single


    http://studybible.info/strongs/G3439

    — Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament WordsChild, Children, Childbearing, Childish, Childless
    Only
    Only Begotten

    — The dictionary of Thayer:
    1) single of its kind, only
    1a) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
    1b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God

    As I already wrote to you brothers, if any of you wants to learn the truth & the Holy Scriptures make your mind free of bias and be neutral and open new thread and call it: 'What is the truth' and if you are looking out with honest heart for truth, you will find it because the greatest prophet Jesus Christ promised You:

    Matthew 7:7-11 — “Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you; 8 for everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking, it will be opened. 9 Indeed, which one of you, if his son asks for bread, will hand him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, he will not hand him a serpent, will he? 11 Therefore, if you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will your Father who is in the heavens give good things to those asking him!

    That illustrates well how Christians have no discernment as to the importance of distinguishing between people who are conceived through procreation, as opposed to Jesus who was NOT procreated.
    The Quran is a plain statement to men, a guidance and instruction to those who fear Allah, So lose not heart nor fall into despair, for ye MUST gain mastery if ye are true in faith. 3:138, 139 http://www.scribd.com/doc/116767121/...rlasting-Gospe

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
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    No, my Bible does not have contradictions. Your Qur'aaans have loads of contradictions.


    Yes. If you don't accept it, the word of God would not become word of man sister.


    Please calm down sister. Unger would't bring you any good. By the way read what does the teaching of the Son of God says:

    The wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, reasonable, ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, not hypocritical.

    But when I read your posts I can see opposite. Do you realise what does it means?
    you realise Causative that my question was rhetorical?

    When will you lose your arrogance my brother in humanity and address your bible is full of errors, porn and contradictions?

    you should really sit and think.

    for your own sake.

    you want paradise right?

    So do we.

    open your mind a little and ask yourself, which in reality is the truth?

    Is it possible, even a little that islam is the truth??

    If you die now and you realised you were denying the truth all along because of your culturalistic pride in christianity,

    What will happen?

    I know you fear death even if you will never admit it in a million years, that is because your soul KNOWS what awaits you.

    dont leave it til its too late. You will never be given another chance of life.


    This advice is sincere and honest.

    take it cause its invaluable and im not charging you anything for this.

    OK my brother from another mother (-But from the same creator)
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuro Fox View Post
    Honest mistake, I've been mistaken for male here too, just honest mistake
    Aaw its cool im not fussed really
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    That illustrates well how Christians have no discernment as to the importance of distinguishing between people who are conceived through procreation, as opposed to Jesus who was NOT procreated.
    eldon

    Shall I tell you what does it proves? It proves that you are so badly indoctrinated that you have no discernment why does the word of God use the words in human terms.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Jesus is son of God. Even some Muslim scholars agree with it! For example Imām Abū Ḥāmid Al-Ghazālī and Ibn Qutaybah accept it as a figure of speech. Why in ummah forum members don't accept the facts if some Imams do it.
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    I'd like to ask a general question.

    Can the Christians even agree amongst themselves before submitting their cases against the People of the Book?

    They dispute which books are canonical/rejected amongst each other and bring their varied books to us, yet we provide to them the one holy holy book.

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous10 View Post
    I'd like to ask a general question.

    Can the Christians even agree amongst themselves before submitting their cases against the People of the Book?

    They dispute which books are canonical/rejected amongst each other and bring their varied books to us, yet we provide to them the one holy holy book.
    Anonymous10

    There are thousands of things Muslims do not agree with. And what?!
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    There are thousands of things Muslims do not agree with. And what?!
    There is little variation. Amongst the Muslims we fundamentally believe in the Oneness of God (Allah) and Muhammad (pbuh) as His last messenger. We believe in the prophets, angels, Day of Judgement, and so on.

    Christians can't even agree amongst themselves the fundamental concept of God and many other things, hence the many sects.

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    There are thousands of things Muslims do not agree with. And what?!
    You christians can't even agree to the most important aspect of your religion. You are confused about who or what God is... please.
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous10 View Post
    There is little variation. Amongst the Muslims we fundamentally believe in the Oneness of God (Allah) and Muhammad (pbuh) as His last messenger. We believe in the prophets, angels, Day of Judgement, and so on.

    Christians can't even agree amongst themselves the fundamental concept of God and many other things, hence the many sects.

    Yea exactly... as I say if ylu ask ten different Christians a question about God you will get ten different replies.

    if you ask 10,0000000000000000 muslims about God, you will get one unified reply.
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous10 View Post
    I'd like to ask a general question.

    Can the Christians even agree amongst themselves before submitting their cases against the People of the Book?

    They dispute which books are canonical/rejected amongst each other and bring their varied books to us, yet we provide to them the one holy holy book.
    Noble Quran is the Witness here

    Noble Quran 3:66 ''Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that which you have NO knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and you know not.''


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    Jesus is son of God. Even some Muslim scholars agree with it! For example Imām Abū Ḥāmid Al-Ghazālī and Ibn Qutaybah accept it as a figure of speech. Why in ummah forum members don't accept the facts if some Imams do it.
    SO do YOU agree that it is ONLY a figure of speech and NOTHING ELSE. That Jesus is NOT begotten but MADE - like ADAM was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    Jesus is son of God. Even some Muslim scholars agree with it! For example Imām Abū Ḥāmid Al-Ghazālī and Ibn Qutaybah accept it as a figure of speech. Why in ummah forum members don't accept the facts if some Imams do it.
    Yes indeed it is a figure of speech and that is all it is! When it is used in OT/NT it is never meant to convey the idea that our Creator engages in reproductive sexuality! It is only common sense, or what should be common sense.
    The Quran is a plain statement to men, a guidance and instruction to those who fear Allah, So lose not heart nor fall into despair, for ye MUST gain mastery if ye are true in faith. 3:138, 139 http://www.scribd.com/doc/116767121/...rlasting-Gospe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    Jesus is son of God. Even some Muslim scholars agree with it! For example Imām Abū Ḥāmid Al-Ghazālī and Ibn Qutaybah accept it as a figure of speech. Why in ummah forum members don't accept the facts if some Imams do it.
    Quote Originally Posted by eldon View Post
    Yes indeed it is a figure of speech and that is all it is! When it is used in OT/NT it is never meant to convey the idea that our Creator engages in reproductive sexuality! It is only common sense, or what should be common sense.

    But for now WE DON"T AGREE with the term 'Son of God '' even for a figure of speech. let that figure of speech die with their religion or used to understand within themselves not amongst us because our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has instructed to do opposite to the People of the Book in methods of Deen. So its better that way & safe for this remaining ONLY MONOTHEIST RELIGION in the world, ISLAM

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    Quote Originally Posted by eldon View Post
    Yes indeed it is a figure of speech and that is all it is! When it is used in OT/NT it is never meant to convey the idea that our Creator engages in reproductive sexuality! It is only common sense, or what should be common sense.
    Bible Scholar Bart Ehrman says 'begotten son of god ' was also used as in a carnal sense in the testaments. He has done research for more than 30 years and he is non biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    But for now WE DON"T AGREE with the term 'Son of God '' even for a figure of speech. let that figure of speech die with their religion or used to understand within themselves not amongst us because our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has instructed to do opposite to the People of the Book in methods of Deen. So its better that way & safe for this remaining ONLY MONOTHEIST RELIGION in the world, ISLAM
    Well even though it is a figure of speech in their own books, they still treat it as if it is the actual literal Truth. So I think you are right, from now on I will just let them "stew in their own sauce" and make themselves guilty of blasphemy. May Allah make them aware of their guilt!
    The Quran is a plain statement to men, a guidance and instruction to those who fear Allah, So lose not heart nor fall into despair, for ye MUST gain mastery if ye are true in faith. 3:138, 139 http://www.scribd.com/doc/116767121/...rlasting-Gospe

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    Quote Originally Posted by eldon View Post
    Well even though it is a figure of speech in their own books, they still treat it as if it is the actual literal Truth. So I think you are right, from now on I will just let them "stew in their own sauce" and make themselves guilty of blasphemy. May Allah make them aware of their guilt!
    Normally when I declare Daringly to do or avoid something(not very clear) in Islam i base it on QIYAS
    which is a must in matters where you do not have STRAIGHT INSTRUCTION but you have no reply from scholars I also use Scholars deductions to add to MY Qiyas. In the above matter of AVOID following I have based on Qiyas and as well as an HINT from Dr ZAKIR NAIK who says there are 99 attributions of Allah missing one is "ABB' meaning Father like Rab (Lord) which was dropped because it could cause many confusions as it did in the earlier nations or Ummahs of David(Pbuh) Moses (pbuh) and Esoah, Esa or Jesus (Pbuh) and the below verse of Quran also supports it.

    Noble Quran '17:53 '' And say to My slaves (i.e. the true believers of Islamic Monotheism) that they should (only) say those words that are the best. (Because) Shaitan (Satan) verily, sows disagreements among them. Surely, Shaitan (Satan) is to man a plain enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    Normally when I declare Daringly to do or avoid something(not very clear) in Islam i base it on QIYAS
    which is a must in matters where you do not have STRAIGHT INSTRUCTION but you have no reply from scholars I also use Scholars deductions to add to MY Qiyas. In the above matter of AVOID following I have based on Qiyas and as well as an HINT from Dr ZAKIR NAIK who says there are 99 attributions of Allah missing one is "ABB' meaning Father like Rab (Lord) which was dropped because it could cause many confusions as it did in the earlier nations or Ummahs of David(Pbuh) Moses (pbuh) and Esoah, Esa or Jesus (Pbuh) and the below verse of Quran also supports it.

    Noble Quran '17:53 '' And say to My slaves (i.e. the true believers of Islamic Monotheism) that they should (only) say those words that are the best. (Because) Shaitan (Satan) verily, sows disagreements among them. Surely, Shaitan (Satan) is to man a plain enemy.
    JazakAllahukhair I think Christians fight for having God as their "FATHER"
    So they feel closer to their creator.

    what they do not realise is our creator is close to us MINUS such a confusing a d blasphemous term.

    The term Lord -RABB is better than the term father -ABB.
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jihaaaaaaad View Post
    SO do YOU agree that it is ONLY a figure of speech and NOTHING ELSE. That Jesus is NOT begotten but MADE - like ADAM was?
    Jihaaaaaaad
    Yes! That's why I try to make you understand that God's word - the Bible - is truth. You need to understand the Bible correctly and will realize that it is teaching truth about the almighty God.

    Muslims must understand that when the Bible says Jesus is Son of God it means that Jesus was made by God as other creations are made by the God.

    I already explained to you that it is unthinkable that God should have a son resulting from relations with a woman or that he would marry and beget children. God is unique. What humans do to reproduce should never be applied to him. This is precisely what the Holy Scriptures teach and emphasize. In Bible is said that Adam was a “son of God.” (Luke 3:38) But how could that be? The Torah explains: “And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man [Adam] out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7) Therefore, Adam was called a son of God because his life came from God without human parents. Similarly, Jesus Christ is called the son of God, for his life came directly from God.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

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    JazakAllahukhair I think Christians fight for having God as their "FATHER"
    So they feel closer to their creator.

    what they do not realise is our creator is close to us MINUS such a confusing a d blasphemous term.
    candyapple

    We use term "father" because God made us. God does not count the term "father" as blasphemy. You need to understand this. Do not judge what is right and what is wrong by your understanding. God does not view things as you Muslims do.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

 

 

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