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    Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Peace of greetings for those who strive to be guided,

    Why is Jesus not the Son of God ?

    The Best Logic Reply is the Video. Kindly give a chance to your Consciences , do not suppress it . Since its your Duty to search God like you search even in the simplest things needed for your Life. But God is the TOP MOST IMPORTANT need of Life.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=sREemKFBJX8

    May The All Mighty, Lord guide us all, Ameen.

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    Peace of greetings for those who strive to be guided,

    Why is Jesus not the Son of God ?

    The Best Logic Reply is the Video. Kindly give a chance to your Consciences , do not suppress it . Since its your Duty to search God like you search even in the simplest things needed for your Life. But God is the TOP MOST IMPORTANT need of Life.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=sREemKFBJX8

    May The All Mighty, Lord guide us all, Ameen.
    talibilm09

    In the video you provided the Muslim speaker says that in John 3:16 words "only-begotten Son" is interpolation which is BIG LIE.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    talibilm09

    In the video you provided the Muslim speaker says that in John 3:16 words "only-begotten Son" is interpolation which is BIG LIE.
    http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-3-16/

    Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of John 3:16.


    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    - King James Bible "Authorized Version", Cambridge Edition

    So who is a Liar, sir ?

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-3-16/

    Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of John 3:16.


    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    - King James Bible "Authorized Version", Cambridge Edition

    So who is a Liar, sir ?
    talibilm09

    In the video you provided Muslim speaker said that the words "
    begotten Son" is interpolation. But you quoted from KJV Bible John 3:16 wich contains the words "begotten son". So the Muslim speaker was lier speaker.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    talibilm09

    In the video you provided Muslim speaker said that the words "
    begotten Son" is interpolation. But you quoted from KJV Bible John 3:16 wich contains the words "begotten son". So the Muslim speaker was lier speaker.
    This is the same Muslim speaker who debated with Dr William Cambell and won 100 % before a decade or 13 years exactly about William's book blaspheming Islam.'

    so KJV is not bible isn't it ? how about this bible ?


    John 3:16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His [a]only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    This is the same Muslim speaker who debated with Dr William Cambell and won 100 % before a decade or 13 years exactly about William's book blaspheming Islam.'

    so KJV is not bible isn't it ? how about this bible ?


    John 3:16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His [a]only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
    talibilm09

    What you try to prove here makes that muslim speaker lier. Do you realise it?
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
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    What you try to prove here makes that muslim speaker lier. Do you realise it?
    Describe how;s that, i don't get it. I am trying to Prove that by saying 'begotten son ; you are blaspheming God.

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    Describe how;s that, i don't get it.
    talibilm09

    You don't get it?! The Muslim speaker in the video you provided is lying. He says that in John 3:16 the word "begotten" interpolation. But it is not an interpolation. So when he says it is, he is lying. Did you not get it now?
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    talibilm09

    You don't get it?! The Muslim speaker in the video you provided is lying. He says that in John 3:16 the word "begotten" interpolation. But it is not an interpolation. So when he says it is, he is lying. Did you not get it now?
    Yes he says that is the Distortion of Bible . What's wrong in that ? which is the Basis of trinity we Muslims reject

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    Yes he says that is the Distortion of Bible . What's wrong in that ? which is the Basis of trinity we Muslims reject
    talibilm09

    He says that the Christian scholars admit that in Jihn 3:16 word "begotten" is interpolation. He said lie to the listeners.

    John 3:16 does not talk about trinity. The main point what I made in my previous posts with you was and is that the Muslim speaker is a BIG LIAR!

    He lied to the audience by saying the in John 3:16 the word "begotten" is interpolation. The word "begotten" is in the Greek manuscripts and therefore it is not an interpolation.

    Why does your Muslim speaker lies?! Answer is: Because by lies he want to mislead innocent listeners.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    talibilm09

    He says that the Christian scholars admit that in Jihn 3:16 word "begotten" is interpolation. He said lie to the listeners.

    John 3:16 does not talk about trinity. The main point what I made in my previous posts with you was and is that the Muslim speaker is a BIG LIAR!

    He lied to the audience by saying the in John 3:16 the word "begotten" is interpolation. The word "begotten" is in the Greek manuscripts and therefore it is not an interpolation.

    Why does your Muslim speaker lies?! Answer is: Because by lies he want to mislead innocent listeners.
    He says actually the word ''begotten'' has been removed by the NEW REVISED VERSIONS of Bible but its still present as i quoted in 2 verses who had not removed it
    why ? your answers please.

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    He says actually the word ''begotten'' has been removed by the NEW REVISED VERSIONS of Bible
    talibilm09

    NO. What he said is this: In John 3:16 the word "begotten" is interpolation. No matter he repeats it or not, he said lie! If some one says Muhammad was a liar should I repeat it?!


    but its still present as i quoted in 2 verses who had not removed it
    why ? your answers please.
    You and your Muslim speaker must ask this type of questions to NRV Translators not me.

    John 3:16 says: "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life".

    If you and your Muslim speaker go and check all oldest Greek Manuscripts will see that the word "begotten" has its canonical place in this verse. But when the Muslim speaker lies to innocent audience, it is a shame if not more.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    talibilm09

    NO. What he said is this: In John 3:16 the word "begotten" is interpolation. No matter he repeats it or not, he said lie! If some one says Muhammad was a liar should I repeat it?!



    You and your Muslim speaker must ask this type of questions to NRV Translators not me.

    John 3:16 says: "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life".

    If you and your Muslim speaker go and check all oldest Greek Manuscripts will see that the word "begotten" has its canonical place in this verse. But when the Muslim speaker lies to innocent audience, it is a shame if not more.
    If you are incapable to answer this simple question of the 21st century but you asked the Muslims questions of the 7 th century and You were going crazy about it if we did not answer,lol, So always try to put yourselves in other's shoes before scolding others or the Muslim answerers as ABUSIVE shows you what sort of a person you are. Remember stupid thinks other as stupids and a Liar thinks others as Liars.

    But do not try to turn the tables, Nor the speaker lied but its the deficiency your capability of understanding is very weak as Zeeshan pointed out in the below quote of # 412 in your thread ''Question to Muslim about Islam and Quran'' or its the same strategy of yours as I say acting asleep or try to act as you do not t understand or realise, when we give our Valid answers of Reasoning..

    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    Actually, your mind can't accept the simple answer. Can I suggest a psychiatrist?
    May be I have to start A new thread asking Christians on the forum about this VERY simple question of the Modern Era and nota question before 2 Millennium

    '' The Speaker in OP says actually the word ''begotten'' has been removed by the NEW REVISED VERSIONS of Bible but its still present in 2 verses had not been removed in 1) King James Version of John 3:16. 2)John 3:16 New American Standard Bible (NASB) or posts # 3 & 5
    Why ? Can the Esteemed Christians answer Please ?

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    '' The Speaker in OP says actually the word ''begotten'' has been removed by the NEW REVISED VERSIONS of Bible but its still present in 2 verses had not been removed in 1) King James Version of John 3:16. 2)John 3:16 New American Standard Bible (NASB) or posts # 3 & 5
    Why ?
    talibilm09

    There are people like you (Muslims) who refuse to accept the truth. The NRV translate comity has chosen to not take in consideration what the oldest manuscripts represent and they omitted the word "begotten" from their translation. But still it does not change the fact that the word "begotten" is used in John 3:16.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    talibilm09

    NO. What he said is this: In John 3:16 the word "begotten" is interpolation. No matter he repeats it or not, he said lie! If some one says Muhammad was a liar should I repeat it?!



    You and your Muslim speaker must ask this type of questions to NRV Translators not me.

    John 3:16 says: "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life".

    If you and your Muslim speaker go and check all oldest Greek Manuscripts will see that the word "begotten" has its canonical place in this verse. But when the Muslim speaker lies to innocent audience, it is a shame if not more.

    Please bring us this Greek manuscript so we can confirm your assertion. Until then, we will have accept that you are a liar.

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    talibilm09

    There are people like you (Muslims) who refuse to accept the truth. The NRV translate comity has chosen to not take in consideration what the oldest manuscripts represent and they omitted the word "begotten" from their translation. But still it does not change the fact that the word "begotten" is used in John 3:16.
    Good you answered Thanks., its like something better than Nothing but still its not clear , just reply to these Questions which is only related to your answer for more Clarity.

    1) which is the correct theory or FACT Begotten or Not begotten because the Difference is like The sky and the Earth and give reasons , If begotten how that it happened with MARY, who was Joseph's wife right from 12 years and joseph was 90 years ? If not begotten how did it happen ? kindly quote the verse

    2) You say they NRVERSIONS (many are there at least 10, right ?) deleted the verse to accommodate the Muslims like me. Similarly how many verses were deleted to suit the whim & fancies of other people such as muslims or any others ?

    I have another few questions relating to your answer which could be asked only if you answer My questions.

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Causative, the Greek word translated as "begotten" in John 3:16 actually means "born".

    The word " begotten" nearly always means that a child was conceived through copulation between a man and a woman, which is a blasphemy when applied to Jesus: because he is called the SON OF GOD naturally implying that "God" had sex with Mary (astagfirullah!)

    I know that Christian authors and translators did not mean to suggest such blasphemy, but that is exactly what they did by using such language though they knew that the world at that time was full of pagans who already believed that their gods had sex with women and so begot children!

    Furthermore, the Jews of those times only used the term "son of God" in reference to righteous people, not with any notion of God making babies by having sex with women! They were horrified by that "begotten son" translation!

    Perhaps those early Christian translators intentionally used such language because they knew it would be so acceptable to pagans and bring them into the church! That certainly DID happen, but Christianity became paganized in many other ways as a direct result of their error.
    The Quran is a plain statement to men, a guidance and instruction to those who fear Allah, So lose not heart nor fall into despair, for ye MUST gain mastery if ye are true in faith. 3:138, 139 http://www.scribd.com/doc/116767121/...rlasting-Gospe

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    First the christians need to address and admit the bible is corrupted.

    And pail the luar is just a liar who misled many a nation dragging them all to hell.


    PAUL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS.

    lose your egos christians and seek the truth.

    for your own sakes
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Paul the liar***
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by candyapple View Post
    Paul the liar***
    Undoubtedly he is. that's why he had a very bad end, Proof is from the below video SUPPOSED to be the OLDEST BIBLE older than the Gospels supposedly written when JESUS was alive or shortly after his disappeared written by Jesus's near family members.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogXWwKcHPNc

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    Undoubtedly he is. that's why he had a very bad end, Proof is from the below video SUPPOSED to be the OLDEST BIBLE older than the Gospels supposedly written when JESUS was alive or shortly after his disappeared written by Jesus's near family members.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogXWwKcHPNc
    This vid is amazing. Atleast some Christians out there are seeking the truth.
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by candyapple View Post
    This vid is amazing. Atleast some Christians out there are seeking the truth.
    Yes the Video is really Amazing and I am sure its a Unbiased copy when you see the Priest still does not Reject resurrection of Jesus and angry with the copy of this bible that's why its kept hidden.

    Yes, there are some TRUE Christians out there are seeking the truth like this person Bart Ehrman who has DONE RESEARCH for 30 years not yet accepted Islam but at least he accepts That Paul did not meet Jesus and the FIRST EVER TESTAMENTS was written 20 years after Jesus's disappearance and its full of Mistakes though they are trying to rectify them edition after edition and so called the REVISED EDITION are the Best which have removed the word '' begotten' as Causative admits in the Thread ' Why Jesus is not the son of god ? '

    Watch Bart Bart Ehrman www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-IG05dQ88Y


    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yte-ad6Y31s And also in this video at 8 to 13 minutes he discusses about Jesus's Crucifixion

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Ok, what is some of the best proof Jesus is the Son of God?

    The fact that you are saying He isn't. Satan is a real spirit and it trying to get people away from the truth. So right now, I would like to prayer this prayer, and any Christians here to pray too, please. “You spirit operating in the life of my loved ones, the Muslim Community blinding to the gospel to keep the Muslim Community out of the kingdom of God, I bind you now. I belong to the Lord Jesus Christ. I carry His authority and righteousness, and in His Name I command you to desist in your maneuvers. I spoil your house according to the Word of God and I enter into it to deliver my loved one from your hands.”

    “Father, I’m asking You to send laborers across the Muslim community’s path, laborers who are equipped with the Word of God about salvation, the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, healing and deliverance. Send laborers who can communicate effectively with the Muslim Community so Your Word can reach his/her heart.”

    Source:http://www.kcm.org/real-help/article...aved-loved-one

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    My answer to the OP - see Post #10 in this thread:

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...61#post6025861

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuro Fox View Post
    Ok, what is some of the best proof Jesus is the Son of God?

    The fact that you are saying He isn't. Satan is a real spirit and it trying to get people away from the truth. So right now, I would like to prayer this prayer, and any Christians here to pray too, please. “You spirit operating in the life of my loved ones, the Muslim Community blinding to the gospel to keep the Muslim Community out of the kingdom of God, I bind you now. I belong to the Lord Jesus Christ. I carry His authority and righteousness, and in His Name I command you to desist in your maneuvers. I spoil your house according to the Word of God and I enter into it to deliver my loved one from your hands.”

    “Father, I’m asking You to send laborers across the Muslim community’s path, laborers who are equipped with the Word of God about salvation, the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, healing and deliverance. Send laborers who can communicate effectively with the Muslim Community so Your Word can reach his/her heart.”

    Source:http://www.kcm.org/real-help/article...aved-loved-one
    I can only offer you advise of the Quran

    29:46 ''And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him ''.

    6:116 ''And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.''

    10:99 ''And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers?And it is not for a soul to believe except by permission of Allah , and He will place defilement upon those who will not use reason''.

    15:39 [Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all ''.

    May Allah the Creator of the Galaxies and the Lord of Prophet Abraham and Prophets before & after him, give Guidance to the Mislead people & an understanding of the Truth and save them from EGO that Satan has instilled in them and to know the Importance of the LIFE HERE AFTER which is Eternal, For ever. Ameen.

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    Please bring us this Greek manuscript so we can confirm your assertion. Until then, we will have accept that you are a liar.
    ZeeshanParvez

    There are more thousands of Greek Manuscripts. The oldest manuscripts contain the word "begotten". For example: Codex Sinaiticus! On the bellow link is an English translation of the Codext and itself the Greek Manuscript as well if you can read old greek:

    http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manusc...6&zoomSlider=0

    So please remember that when your Imams or Muslim teachers teach, tell them to now lie anymore. We know what is truth.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    ZeeshanParvez


    There are more thousands of Greek Manuscripts. The oldest manuscripts contain the word "begotten". For example: Codex Sinaiticus! On the bellow link is an English translation of the Codext and itself the Greek Manuscript as well if you can read old greek:


    http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manusc...6&zoomSlider=0


    So please remember that when your Imams or Muslim teachers teach, tell them to not lie anymore. We know what is truth.
    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Descartes View Post
    And once again you cannot prove your book was written by a GOD SIZED being.
    Any second rate spirit could have written every thought in your book.
    Doesn't it bother you that you are trusting your soul to such uncertainty?
    Kindly reply Descartes,

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    Asking Christians on the forum about this VERY simple question of the Modern Era and not a question before 2 Millennium

    '' The Speaker in OP says actually the word ''begotten'' has been removed by the NEW REVISED VERSIONS of Bible but its still present in 2 verses had not been removed in 1) King James Version of John 3:16. 2)John 3:16 New American Standard Bible (NASB) or posts # 3 & 5
    Why ? Can the Esteemed Christians answer Please ?

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    ZeeshanParvez


    There are more thousands of Greek Manuscripts. The oldest manuscripts contain the word "begotten". For example: Codex Sinaiticus! On the bellow link is an English translation of the Codext and itself the Greek Manuscript as well if you can read old greek:


    http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manusc...6&zoomSlider=0


    So please remember that when your Imams or Muslim teachers teach, tell them to not lie anymore. We know what is truth.
    The link doesn't work.

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    We know what is truth.
    You don't know anything.

    The translators of the King James Bible should have been faithful people, but they were not. They added the Comma Johanneum to make it look like the trinity is in the so called textus receptus. So if these translators manipulated a major thing in the Bible within a few years of the translation work, you can calculate how many errors are in the Bible over many thousand of years.

    Best Regards
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    Do you desire to quench your thirst for the knowledge of God? Then search for and follow God’s guidance, and you can be sure that he will satisfy the desires of your heart. Learn God's word and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.—سَبِّحُوا يَاهَ!‏

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Davud View Post
    You don't know anything.
    Davud

    Really? Let us see together who know what:

    The translators of the King James Bible should have been faithful people, but they were not.
    I know many translation of Qur'an and the translators were not faithful people. But I know one thing which looks like you don't know: If a translator was unfaithful, does not mean that all other translators are unfaithful too. So be honest and neutral when you trying to pretend that you are reasoning impartially. We have in hand thausends of manuscripts therefore you can't say that the NT text was corrupted. After considering the facts and when I see that you make this statement:
    They added the Comma Johanneum to make it look like the trinity is in the so called textus receptus. So if these translators manipulated a major thing in the Bible within a few years of the translation work, you can calculate how many errors are in the Bible over many thousand of years.
    It proves that You aether know nothing or trying to twist the facts to mislead innocent people. I think it is the second one unfortunately.
    Best Regards
    Davud
    after what you did, that's not cool.
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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Ok, then please explain why the translators of the King James Bible added the following words:
    1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    Best Regards
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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Davud View Post
    Ok, then please explain why the translators of the King James Bible added the following words:
    1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    Davud

    To mislead people. Now give me the next question, I know what is it anyway.
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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post

    There are more thousands of Greek Manuscripts. The oldest manuscripts contain the word "begotten". For example: Codex Sinaiticus! On the bellow link is an English translation of the Codext and itself the Greek Manuscript as well if you can read old greek:


    http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manusc...6&zoomSlider=0

    .
    No old manuscripts contain the word "begotten" because that is an English word!

    Sinaiticus is not that old anyway, even if it is the oldest one that Christians have, it doesn't go back to even within a century or two of Christ and the apostles!

    there are mainly two Greek words translated as begotten in the NT, the one used in John 3:16 in reference to Jesus is monogenes which means only born and does not contain any form of the other word translated as begotten, which is gennao which is the word used every time the NT says "so and so BEGAT so and so".

    In other words, gennao is the term that implies sexual origin of birth, whereas monogenes only means "brought into being" without any sexual connotations.

    Early Christians should have been aware that it was blasphemy to imply that the Most High sexually begat children, but they were not careful enough with their words OR their translators were not careful enough with their words to avoid that sexual connotation.

    Every pagan religion I know of has gods who sexually begat children in one way or another and the world was predominately pagan in the early days of Christianity, so the non-sexual origin of Jesus should have been declared VERY distinctly and he should not have been referenced by any Greek word that implied that he was sexually begotten. Christians today should have no problem in recognizing and acknowledging that fact.
    The Quran is a plain statement to men, a guidance and instruction to those who fear Allah, So lose not heart nor fall into despair, for ye MUST gain mastery if ye are true in faith. 3:138, 139 http://www.scribd.com/doc/116767121/...rlasting-Gospe

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by eldon View Post
    there are mainly two Greek words translated as begotten in the NT, the one used in John 3:16 in reference to Jesus is monogenes which means only born and does not contain any form of the other word translated as begotten,
    eldon

    I suggest you to refer the Greek-English dictionaries and will get out of the confusion you are in. Honestly brother.
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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuro Fox View Post
    Ok, what is some of the best proof Jesus is the Son of God?

    The fact that you are saying He isn't. Satan is a real spirit and it trying to get people away from the truth. So right now, I would like to prayer this prayer, and any Christians here to pray too, please. “You spirit operating in the life of my loved ones, the Muslim Community blinding to the gospel to keep the Muslim Community out of the kingdom of God, I bind you now. I belong to the Lord Jesus Christ. I carry His authority and righteousness, and in His Name I command you to desist in your maneuvers. I spoil your house according to the Word of God and I enter into it to deliver my loved one from your hands.”

    “Father, I’m asking You to send laborers across the Muslim community’s path, laborers who are equipped with the Word of God about salvation, the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, healing and deliverance. Send laborers who can communicate effectively with the Muslim Community so Your Word can reach his/her heart.”

    Source:http://www.kcm.org/real-help/article...aved-loved-one
    Dude I know you been watned about satan ambushing you and steering you out of christianity

    but we aint satan.

    nor are friends of satan

    how can you verify my claim?

    This is in our quran:

    [Then He will say], "But stand apart today, you criminals.


    Did I not enjoin upon you, O children of Adam, that you not worship Satan - [for] indeed, he is to you a clear enemy -


    And that you worship [only] Me? This is a straight path.

    And he had already led astray from among you much of creation, so did you not use reason?

    This is the Hellfire which you were promised.

    [Enter to] burn therein today for what you used to deny."





    see? We dont worship satan nor are we misled by satan nor are we tryna lead you astray.

    and all of the messrngers from Adam til Muhammad have been God'd creation and servants.

    why would God beget only jesus?

    Begetting does not befit the majesty of the creator almighty.

    Think about it.

    our religion is pure and calls to All things pure and good.
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    ZeeshanParvez

    There are more thousands of Greek Manuscripts. The oldest manuscripts contain the word "begotten". For example: Codex Sinaiticus! On the bellow link is an English translation of the Codext and itself the Greek Manuscript as well if you can read old greek:

    http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manusc...6&zoomSlider=0

    So please remember that when your Imams or Muslim teachers teach, tell them to now lie anymore. We know what is truth.
    Doesnt your bible have 110,000 contradictions in it???

    That is a whopper.

    Even fairytales cant compete with the percentage of contradictions that contain in your bible. That includes tooth fairy santa claus easter bunny halloween- all of disney characters and their myths, all of this combined, yet your bible contains more contradictions and errors in it.

    word of God?

    Purlease.

    word of Paul the satan.
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Causative View Post
    eldon

    I suggest you to refer the Greek-English dictionaries and will get out of the confusion you are in. Honestly brother.
    He knows far more than you do. Ha.
    "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

    "Nothing protects the rights of the minority like the tyranny of the majority"

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    Re: Why jesus is not the son of god ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Davud View Post
    Ok, then please explain why the translators of the King James Bible added the following words:
    1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    Best Regards
    Davud




    Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it… Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (Quran 2:75,79)**



    *There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Quran 3:78)****But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind. From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Quran 5:13-14)***

    No just estimate of Allah do they make when they say: "Nothing doth Allah send down to man (by way of revelation)" Say: "Who then sent down the Book which Moses brought?- a light and guidance to man: But ye make it into (separate) sheets for show, while ye conceal much (of its contents): therein were ye taught that which ye knew not- neither ye nor your fathers." Say: "Allah (sent it down)": Then leave them to plunge in vain discourse and trifling. (Quran 6:91)***

    But those who wronged among them changed [the words] to a statement other than that which had been said to them. So We sent upon them a punishment from the sky for the wrong that they were doing. [quran 7:162]*










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