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    VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Peace & greetings,

    Sanjay Dwivedi ,a high cast Hindu, A Brahmin From a prestigious Family and who studied about 15 years to become a Pandit or a Hindu scholar, later studied the Quran and embraced Islam told these facts That One True God has been mentioned in many places of vedas as one without form, without father or mother as believed in Islam. Prophet Muhammad (sal pbuh) has been mentioned in the Vedas (about 4000 years ago) as ' clearly as Muhammad' and Prophet Abraham Or Ibrahim(as) is also mentioned in Vedas in Rig Vedha as ' 'Abrahm'' the one who is Circumcised and mentioning about Prophet Muhammad its been clearly mentioned he will be circumcised and he will be meat eater while followers of Vedas there were mainly Pure vegetarians called , the brahmins. Al Biruni,The Islamic Scientist,Astronomer who came to India says Brahmins of High status were purely monotheist (from wiki as below)

    '' Al-Biruni was disgusted by scholars who failed to engage'' PRIMARY SOURCES'' in their treatment of Hindu Religion.......................................... .................................................. ..............

    Al-Biruni divides Hindus into an educated and an uneducated class. He describes the educated as monotheistic, believing that God is one, eternal, and omnipotent and eschewing all forms of idol worship. He recognizes that uneducated Hindus worshipped a multiplicity of idols yet points out that even some Muslims (such as the Jabiriyya) have adopted anthropomorphic concepts of God. (Ataman, 2005) ''


    But still a part of the world likes Assumptions, Imaginations and creates comparision to The One True God, the Creator. which is the Biggest Injustice & the Biggest unforgivable sin as Per the Noble Quran.

    kindly watch Mr Divedi as "Ahmed Pandit' but in Urdu ,Hindi

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W928jZVfCm4

    Here's a translation of this video from my limited Hindi, Urdu knowledge as follows

    Translation:Today we can see there is a line or queue of gods in them is not because they benefit from them but they worship them to achieve peace of their hearts. I had many friends who taught vedas and granth to others but I myself saw that they were never Peaceful. Why ? beacuse there was a big search in their hearts for the real Creator who had sent the Message to mankind. And that is Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)

    Reads in sanskrit and translates..This Muhammad will be born in Arabia which will be near sea. Does it mean river Ganges ? Its the same place where we are standing now which is close to the sea (might be he was in middle east while delivering this speech) reads Sanskrit and translates..Lets clear it more. The ambassador of God will be born in a such a place where its surroundings have been visited by many other Ambassadors of God before him. He will be the last Ambassadors among all those ambassadors of God.

    Reads sanskrit translates... that God who is the one and the Most Powerful God whose representative he will be and he will proclaim the truth to the mankind that the Creator of Mankind is only one and Most Powerful and none else except him. So Big Truth the vedas are exclaiming,screaming,and you will get these vedas today at the market or holybooks bazar, am not talking about vedas 300 years old which have been Kept in Banaras(sacred city) all these proofs which i've told you are in those vedas in the market.And those vedas that I was taught is not available in the holybooks market now.You can research about Prophet's name in the vedas from the market.the 15 times of Prophet Muhammad 's name mentioned will also be available in them.

    Let see what will Prophet will do after he comes (as in vedas)

    He will bring such a message which will give success to humanity & what will be the last message. READS SANSKRIT TRANSlates

    Ganga (ganges) does not mean the name of river but it means pure water which refers to the purest water of Zam zam.
    He will have 5 things that the earlier Ambassadors of God did not have.
    1)One will be zamzam well
    2)The city where they will turn their face while Praying
    3) will Preach message or Mission of about one god(not clear)
    4)circumcision will be followed by his people.
    5)he will bring book of God or message, it means Noble Quran which will tell how to lead the complete life

    Reads Sanskrit Translates,

    He will be the Guru of all Gurus(Guru means Teacher or leader) He will inform from Arabia and message will be spread from there. will use Clear water those of angels he will use or Zam zam water (or refers to cleaning of Prophet's heart by angels) Reads Sanskrit & translates.. After Delivering the above 5 things he will declare to God saying that the responsibility God gave him He has delivered it completely to the mankind and his duty is now completed.

    ( I think he refers to the last haj Sermon where Prophet(saw) says ''(http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...arewell-Sermon)

    '' Toward the end of his sermon, Muhammad asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assent "O Allah, yes!", arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma na’m" rolled like thunder throughout the valley. Muhammad raised his forefinger and said: "Be my witness O Allah, that I have conveyed your message to your people." )


    And his followers Men & women will love & follow the Guru ( teacher) such as babies run after their Mothers, such will be the Gurus's students and follow his message( not sure) This is the light that Vedas Emit, are we ready to take advantage of it ? Ask ourselves in how much darkness we are now ? we have been worshipping some many gods leaving the Real ONE to be worshipped, But Inspite of it See how kind is our True One God , our Creator who has been fullfilling all our needs though we have sinned but did not ask anything in return . Inspite of knowing our real Creator ,Are we not yet ready to turn to him ?
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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    It will be a great injustice If I fail to mention about Dr. Ved Prakash Upadhyay (research scholar, sanskrit, Prayag university) who was a Brahmin Hindu and is associated with a main department of the Allahabad University. He named his research ‘Kalki Autar’, meaning ‘leader of the entire Universe’.Pandit Ved Prakash is renowned as a researcher and a scholar of the Sanskrit language. He has presented his research to the eight famous and topmost Hindu pandits of the country, who are deemed authority in their respective areas of study. These pundits, after their research and detailed study, have accepted arguments presented in the book as correct and authentic.

    His biography details could be seen before many years but they are missing online now , where He and his wife embraced Islam after having Dream of Prophet Muhammad (which is written below as rememberd from my faint memory)

    Where he said something like he was fed up arguing with people about his research and was deprived of all the comforts that were once given as the Head of the Pundits and he and his few other pundits with the same view were made to suffer. He saw in the dream that he was chased away in the streets and escaping crowds of armed people only to slip and fall and he looked up and saw a Person with the beard standing extending him a helping hand to get up from the Ground and he asked who he was and he replied I am Muhammad (saw) your nabi. He got up in shock and felt a good fragrance and woke his wife and she too felt the Fragrance in their house and both converted to Islam and were chased away from their locality.

    If any one know more details about them kindly update here,please.

    Kindly read this for his findings in the research

    http://makashfa.wordpress.com/2014/0...du-literature/

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/6041525/KA...Y-HINDU-PUNDIT

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    http://www.islamawareness.net/Hinduism/hindu.html

    This site is also very helpful.

    some hindus claim that puranas and all are corrupted, the site I have mentioned only write with respect to vedas and upanishads.

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Dr. Zakir Naik also made this argument in one of his lectures.

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Quote Originally Posted by starrynight11 View Post
    Dr. Zakir Naik also made this argument in one of his lectures.
    Here is Dr NaiK with his research on Holy Sanskrit books. Its really a wonder to know these books told about a Single God but their followers do exactly opposite to it. This was not a phenomenon of Today but its going on for a millennium when we see records of those Visitors to India such as . Al Biruni,The Islamic Scientist,Astronomer who came to India says Brahmins of High status were purely monotheist (from wiki as below)

    '' Al-Biruni was disgusted by scholars who failed to engage'' PRIMARY SOURCES'' in their treatment of Hindu Religion.......................................... .................................................. ..............

    Al-Biruni divides Hindus into an educated and an uneducated class. He describes the educated as monotheistic, believing that God is one, eternal, and omnipotent and eschewing all forms of idol worship. He recognizes that uneducated Hindus worshipped a multiplicity of idols yet points out that even some Muslims (such as the Jabiriyya) have adopted anthropomorphic concepts of God. (Ataman, 2005) ''

    What does the Holy books of Origin of Hindus in Sanskrit say ? kindly read the link

    /www.facebook.com/notes/islamic-research-foundation-drzakir-naik-irf/transcript-of-concept-of-god-in-major-world-religions-drzakir-naik/198951473457

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Where exactly is this? Let me 'do a muslim' and ask for sources.

    Btw the zakir naik argument is laughable because he used the puranas. And the puranas say that muhammad will bring an evil religion.

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Quote Originally Posted by Religunz View Post
    Where exactly is this? Let me 'do a muslim' and ask for sources.

    Btw the zakir naik argument is laughable because he used the puranas. And the puranas say that muhammad will bring an evil religion.
    Are you asking about the name of Muhammad in the holy books or those verses which deem God nearly like Islam ?

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Quote Originally Posted by Religunz View Post
    Where exactly is this? Let me 'do a muslim' and ask for sources.

    Btw the zakir naik argument is laughable because he used the puranas. And the puranas say that muhammad will bring an evil religion.
    The OP is about Only Vedhas , the major difference between the Vedas and the Puranas is that the Vedic gods represent the cosmic attributes of the One, while the Puranic gods represent His human attributes.

    These stories from the Puranas are not for the mind to understand but for the heart to enjoy.


    - Sri Chinmoy

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    peace & greetings,

    sanjay dwivedi ,a high cast hindu, a brahmin from a prestigious family and who studied about 15 years to become a pandit or a hindu scholar, later studied the quran and embraced islam told these facts that one true god has been mentioned in many places of vedas as one without form, without father or mother as believed in islam. prophet muhammad (sal) has been mentioned in the vedas (about 4000 years) as muhammad and prophet abraham or ibrahim(as) is also mentioned in vedas in rig vedha as ' 'abrahm'' the one who is circumcised and mentioning about prophet muhammad its been clearly mentioned he will be circumcised and he will be meat eater while followers of vedas there were mainly pure vegetarians called , the brahmins. Al biruni,the islamic scientist,astronomer who came to india says brahmins of high status were purely monotheist (from wiki as below)

    '' al-biruni was disgusted by scholars who failed to engage'' primary sources'' in their treatment of hindu religion.......................................... .................................................. ..............

    Al-biruni divides hindus into an educated and an uneducated class. He describes the educated as monotheistic, believing that god is one, eternal, and omnipotent and eschewing all forms of idol worship. He recognizes that uneducated hindus worshipped a multiplicity of idols yet points out that even some muslims (such as the jabiriyya) have adopted anthropomorphic concepts of god. (ataman, 2005) ''


    but still a part of the world likes assumptions, imaginations and creates comparision to the one true god, the creator. Which is the biggest injustice & the biggest unforgivable sin as per the noble quran.

    Kindly watch mr divedi as "ahmed pandit' but in urdu ,hindi

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w928jzvfcm4

    here's a translation of this video from my limited hindi, urdu knowledge as follows

    today we can see there is a line or queue of gods in them is not because they benefit from them but they worship them to achieve peace of their hearts. I had many friends who taught vedas and granth to others but i myself saw that they were never peaceful. Why ? Beacuse there was a big search in their hearts for the real creator who had sent the message to mankind. And that is prophet muhammad(pbuh)

    reads in sanskrit and translates..this muhammad will be born in arabia which will be near sea. Does it mean river ganges ? Its the same place where we are standing now which is close to the sea (might be he was in middle east while delivering this speech) reads sanskrit and translates..lets clear it more. The ambassador of god will be born in a such a place where its surroundings have been visited by many other ambassadors of god before him. He will be the last ambassadors among all those ambassadors of god.

    reads sanskrit translates... That god who is the one and the most powerful god whose representative he will be and he will proclaim the truth to the mankind that the creator of mankind is only one and most powerful and none else except him. So big truth the vedas are exclaiming,screaming,and you will get these vedas today at the market or holybooks bazar, am not talking about vedas 300 years old which have been kept in banaras(sacred city) all these proofs i've told you are in those vedas in the market.and those vedas that i was taught is not available in the holybooks market now.you can research about prophet's name in the vedas from the market.the 15 times of prophet muhammad 's name mentioned will also be available in them.

    Let see what will prophet will do after he comes (as in vedas)

    he will bring such a message which will give success to humanity & what will be the last message. reads sanskrit translates

    ganga (ganges) does not mean the name of river but it means pure water which refers to the purest water of zam zam.
    He will have 5 things that the earlier ambassadors of god did not have.
    1)one will be zamzam well
    2)the city where they will turn their face while praying
    3) will preach message or mission of about one god(not clear)
    4)circumcision will be followed by his people.
    5)he will bring book of god or message, it means noble quran which will tell how to lead the complete life

    reads sanskrit translates,

    he will be the guru of all gurus(guru means teacher or leader) he will inform from arabia and message will be spread from there. Will use clear water those of angels he will use or zam zam water (or refers to cleaning of prophet's heart by angels) reads sanskrit & translates.. After delivering the above 5 things he will declare to god saying that the responsibility god gave him he has delivered it completely to the mankind and his duty is now completed.

    ( i think he refers to the last haj sermon where prophet(saw) says ''(http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...arewell-sermon)

    '' toward the end of his sermon, muhammad asked "o people, have i faithfully delivered unto you my message?" a powerful murmur of assent "o allah, yes!", arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "allahumma na’m" rolled like thunder throughout the valley. Muhammad raised his forefinger and said: "be my witness o allah, that i have conveyed your message to your people." )


    and his followers men & women will love & follow the guru ( teacher) such as babies run after their mothers, such will be the gurus's students and follow his message( not sure) this is the light that vedas emit, are we ready to take advantage of it ? Ask ourselves in how much darkness we are now ? We have been worshipping some many gods leaving the real one to be worshipped, but inspite of it see how kind is our true one god , our creator who has been fullfilling all our needs though we have sinned but did not ask anything in return . Inspite of knowing our real creator ,are we not yet ready to turn to him ?
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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    How do you know they aren't fabricated like Muslims claim the Jesus prophecy in the Old Testament is?

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tnatr View Post
    How do you know they aren't fabricated like Muslims claim the Jesus prophecy in the Old Testament is?

    Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is prophesied in All holy books even in Zorasters, Buddhist (Dr Naik Proves that), If its not there be sure it has been removed, translated, fabricated. Even Prophet Abraham's name is mentioned in the vedhas as 'Abrahm, the circumcised one''' and Prophet Muhammad is mentioned more than 10 times as "Muhammad' itself

    So if you hide the verses of Muhammad(pbuh) s Name from your books it does not invalidate Our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) because similar histories of Adam & Eve, Noah's great flood, Abraham story are in all the books and ARE ENOUGH to prove they are from One source, One God. To deny Noble Quran was not from the God of Moses and Jesus YOU BOTH MUST THROW ALL THE ABOVE MENTIONED HISTORIES OF ADAM & EVE etc etc untill SOLOMON from your books AND Only then you can succeed in this attempt to discredit The noble Quran Or else its a Proof its from the same ONE God.

    Both of your OT & NT do NOT have the verses about SAVING OF THE BODY of the PHARAOH of EXODUS but its found ONLY IN THE NOBLE QURAN
    Even THE Torah , the SOURCE of Pharaoh of EXODUS does not know that the BODY of Pharaoh was SAVED from the middle of the sea bed means the AUTHOR of Noble Quran is the Sender of the Judgement of EXODUS on Pharaoh or iow He is the God who helped Moses, The Allah of Moses(pbuh)


    Watch the Proof to MY CLAIM at 2 minutes in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83fOJMTQBvc

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post

    Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is prophesied in All holy books even in Zorasters, Buddhist (Dr Naik Proves that), If its not there be sure it has been removed, translated, fabricated. Even Prophet Abraham's name is mentioned in the vedhas as 'Abrahm, the circumcised one''' and Prophet Muhammad is mentioned more than 10 times as "Muhammad' itself

    So if you hide the verses of Muhammad(pbuh) s Name from your books it does not invalidate Our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) because similar histories of Adam & Eve, Noah's great flood, Abraham story are in all the books and ARE ENOUGH to prove they are from One source, One God. To deny Noble Quran was not from the God of Moses and Jesus YOU BOTH MUST THROW ALL THE ABOVE MENTIONED HISTORIES OF ADAM & EVE etc etc untill SOLOMON from your books AND Only then you can succeed in this attempt to discredit The noble Quran Or else its a Proof its from the same ONE God.

    Both of your OT & NT do NOT have the verses about SAVING OF THE BODY of the PHARAOH of EXODUS but its found ONLY IN THE NOBLE QURAN
    Even THE Torah , the SOURCE of Pharaoh of EXODUS does not know that the BODY of Pharaoh was SAVED from the middle of the sea bed means the AUTHOR of Noble Quran is the Sender of the Judgement of EXODUS on Pharaoh or iow He is the God who helped Moses, The Allah of Moses(pbuh)


    Watch the Proof to MY CLAIM at 2 minutes in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83fOJMTQBvc
    I fail to make sense how the Bible and Qur'an having similar stories show any proof for it. One could say Muhammad copied it, or that Satan did it, or that someone/thing else did it: The only conclusion would not be that the Qur'an is true. For example, if I take Romeo and Juliet, and make a story that has a lot of things in common with it, were they both the work of Shakespeare?

    As for you saying the name of Muhammad is in the Bible, they are Hebrew/Aramic/Greek works. You can't say a word that sounds like "Muhammad" in one language is mentioning what is the human name "Muhammad" in another language. IMO It's baseless, and (sometimes) desperate.

    And even then, if Christianity is false, you even have to reject the genealogy in Genesis 5! http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=3302
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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tnatr View Post
    I fail to make sense how the Bible and Qur'an having similar stories show any proof for it. One could say Muhammad copied it, or that Satan did it, or that someone/thing else did it: The only conclusion would not be that the Qur'an is true. For example, if I take Romeo and Juliet, and make a story that has a lot of things in common with it, were they both the work of Shakespeare?


    By claiming the above words in bolded red you Prove yourselves WORST & ungrateful than the Jews. This is exactly what the Jews claimed about Jesus that Jesus was not the messiah and Jesus copied the NT STORIES from THE JEWS and Christians FAIL TO REALISE THEY OWE VERY MUCH MORE to the Muslims and Islam, the Quran and its Prophet for clearing the blasphemy against Jesus & his Mother and also informing that the Prophesy in the Torah about the coming of JESUS was there in the Torah which the jews tried to misinterpret and hide about the coming of the Messiah and ONLY AFTER THE QURAN"S clearings , the Jews stopped calling the 7 letter filthy word with Mary & Jesus which was foretold in John 16:12-14 '' He will Glorify me '' and NONE Glorified Jesus except Islam then in 7th century and untill now , we are the ones who speak AGAINST the filth INSERTED inside the bible MAKING THE PROPHETS AS CRIMINALS and attribute it to the author as Jesus If Noble Quran copied from NT as you think then it MUST BE seen that

    1) The Noble Quran would have exact stories that now which are NOW in your BOOKS all Vulgar erotic,incest stories.

    2) The Noble Quran will not have these verses saying that you changed verses of your books as in verses (2:75,79,, 3: 78, 5:13, 6:91, 7:62 etc )

    3) Islam would have believed in Crucsifixtion and trinity atleast to gain friendship with the Chrsitians

    4) And Prophet(pbuh) was warned in the Quran By a VERSE of Allah NOT TO GIVE UP to the whims and fancies of Non believers even in a single simple matter though Prophet (pbuh) seems intended in his heart for MUTUAL CO OPERATION

    5) If Prophet (pbuh) so intended prophet could have given up in certain issues atleast accepting to call the Son of God ( just as a figure Speech) so that he could have received willing co operation of MOST Christians worldwide Except Abbyssinia who were ready to reconcile if Prophet Gave up a little but he did not

    Christians did the same llike the Jews who tried to hide misinterpret Taurat with our Prophet(pbuh) even about their law of stoning when our Prophet called their Most knowledgeable Rabbi Ibn Suriya and ask him to clear many things that the Jews were trying to hide and Prophet (pbuh) knew that through angel Gabriel by the help of Allah

    Ibn abbas(may Allah be pleased with him,raa) said that when Prophet(pbuh) invited some Jews to invite to islam companions (medinites) like Maas bin jabal, Saad Bin Ubadha warned the jews who were known to them by saying 'fear Allah, We swear you people used to tell us about the arrival of last Prophet to us and aslo mentioned his qualities at which the jews namely Harimiah and Wabab bin Yahud denied saying we did not say so and the Noble Quran was verse http://quran.com/5/15-19 was revealed


    Quote Originally Posted by Tnatr View Post
    As for you saying the name of Muhammad is in the Bible, they are Hebrew/Aramic/Greek works. You can't say a word that sounds like "Muhammad" in one language is mentioning what is the human name "Muhammad" in another language. IMO It's baseless, and (sometimes) desperate.
    What can we expect from a book which was written in Aramaic abd translated to Greek, latin, hebrew and then to English In the Gospel according to John (Chapters 14, 15, 16) Jesus spoke of the "Paraclete" or comforter who will come after him, who will be sent by Father as another Paraclete, who will teach new things which the contemporaries of Jesus could not bear. While the Paraclete is described as the spirit of truth, (whose meaning resemble Muhammad's famous title Al-Amin, the trustworthy), the original word translated in earlier Greek translations would have been 'Periclytos' meaning 'Ahmed' in Arabic, instead of Paraclete. which has been mentioned in the Noble Quran.

    The criterion in your books to distinguish between the true prophet and the false prophets (Deuteronomy 18:22). He did reprove the world of sin, of righteousness and of judgement (John 16:8-11) also shows it 90 % clear that its Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) the Comforter, Spirit of Truth though only one verse ( John 14:26) of yours says it refers to Holy Ghost which should be one among the 10,000's of contradictions of Bible accepted even by Bible scholars and its also proved by this verse from John 14:16 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

    16 ''and I will ask the Father, and he will give you another comforting Counselor like me, the Spirit of Truth, to be with you forever.''


    We are not desperate to prove it but you are desperate to refute it ASAP since you fear seeing the influx of your people to Islam and that's why YOU are HERE, Nintentacle in a new name Tnatr ,lol very desperate , in a Muslim website spewing garbage to make Islam stink but it bounces back on you & your religion with your lies since still you could not give the video you claimed about Deedat having Cursed Himself to be silenced if he said was wrong .


    Quote Originally Posted by Tnatr View Post
    And even then, if Christianity is false, you even have to reject the genealogy in Genesis 5! http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=3302
    In Nobel Quran and in hadith we cant and don't reject, eject a single word as you people did or add even a letter by our own will like by the Scribes ( ref:Bart Erhman) and You expect us to do that what you people do yourselves to your Holy Books, like a parable they say A stupid think others as stupid , a Liar thinks all others as Liars

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    Quote Originally Posted by tnatr View Post
    i fail to make sense how the bible and qur'an having similar stories show any proof for it. One could say muhammad copied it, or that satan did it, or that someone/thing else did it: The only conclusion would not be that the qur'an is true
    You did not address the issue (post # 11) why ? the saving of the body of Pharaoh from the midst of the sea bed, the Greatest miracle of its kind ( Pharaoh body is there in Egypt as alive Proof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83fOJMTQBvc ) was not mentioned in the OT ,NT ? or the Torah ? WHICH IS THE 1st SOURCE OF THIS SPECTACULAR EVENT OF HISTORY ?

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

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    Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is prophesied in All holy books even in Zorasters, Buddhist (Dr Naik Proves that), If its not there be sure it has been removed, translated, fabricated. Even Prophet Abraham's name is mentioned in the vedhas as 'Abrahm, the circumcised one''' and Prophet Muhammad is mentioned more than 10 times as "Muhammad' itself

    So if you hide the verses of Muhammad(pbuh) s Name from your books it does not invalidate Our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) because similar histories of Adam & Eve, Noah's great flood, Abraham story are in all the books and ARE ENOUGH to prove they are from One source, One God. To deny Noble Quran was not from the God of Moses and Jesus YOU BOTH MUST THROW ALL THE ABOVE MENTIONED HISTORIES OF ADAM & EVE etc etc untill SOLOMON from your books AND Only then you can succeed in this attempt to discredit The noble Quran Or else its a Proof its from the same ONE God.

    Both of your OT & NT do NOT have the verses about SAVING OF THE BODY of the PHARAOH of EXODUS but its found ONLY IN THE NOBLE QURAN
    Even THE Torah , the SOURCE of Pharaoh of EXODUS does not know that the BODY of Pharaoh was SAVED from the middle of the sea bed means the AUTHOR of Noble Quran is the Sender of the Judgement of EXODUS on Pharaoh or iow He is the God who helped Moses, The Allah of Moses(pbuh)


    Watch the Proof to MY CLAIM at 2 minutes in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83fOJMTQBvc
    I tried to address your claim about the body of the pharaoh in this thread:
    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...h-in-the-Quran

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    How do you know they aren't fabricated like Muslims claim the Jesus prophecy in the Old Testament is?
    Muslims don't claim that the prophecy of the Messiah of the Tanach is a false one. No, on the other hand we confirm it. Jesus was prophesized to be the Messiah (Christ) and King of Israel and a sign to all people. But unlike Christians we don't twist the prophecies to claim that it prophecises the death of Jesus or that Jesus is God. Isiah 53 does not prophesise the DEATH of Jesus but the SAVING of Jesus from DEATH. If it did then it contradicts Psalm 91 where GOD promises to give Jesus LONG LIFE and save Jesus from death. Satan quoted from Psalm 91 and Jesus didn't contradict it.

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    Muslims don't claim that the prophecy of the Messiah of the Tanach is a false one. No, on the other hand we confirm it. Jesus was prophesized to be the Messiah (Christ) and King of Israel and a sign to all people. But unlike Christians we don't twist the prophecies to claim that it prophecises the death of Jesus or that Jesus is God. Isiah 53 does not prophesise the DEATH of Jesus but the SAVING of Jesus from DEATH. If it did then it contradicts Psalm 91 where GOD promises to give Jesus LONG LIFE and save Jesus from death. Satan quoted from Psalm 91 and Jesus didn't contradict it.
    How in the world does Isaiah 53 prophecy of Jesus being saved from death?!

    "And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth."

    Research the Septuagint, Old Testament prophecy, and the Gospels. It shows how ignorant your argument is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    edit : Add to post # 13



    You did not address the issue (post # 11) why ? the saving of the body of Pharaoh from the midst of the sea bed, the Greatest miracle of its kind ( Pharaoh body is there in Egypt as alive Proof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83fOJMTQBvc ) was not mentioned in the OT ,NT ? or the Torah ? WHICH IS THE 1st SOURCE OF THIS SPECTACULAR EVENT OF HISTORY ?

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    Satan knows a thing or two about history.

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    Satan knows a thing or two about history.
    Satan is powerless infront of Allah and his faithful messengers.
    ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tnatr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    edit : Add to post # 13



    You did not address the issue (post # 11) why ? the saving of the body of Pharaoh from the midst of the sea bed, the Greatest miracle of its kind ( Pharaoh body is there in Egypt as alive Proof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83fOJMTQBvc ) was not mentioned in the OT ,NT ? or the Torah ? WHICH IS THE 1st SOURCE OF THIS SPECTACULAR EVENT OF HISTORY ?

    Open Challenge to all the Christians, Jews alive on the Globe. '' TRUTH PREVAILS "
    Satan knows a thing or two about history.

    Bible: The ruler in the time of Joseph(Yusuf) AS was called a pharoah

    Quran; The ruler in the time of Joseph(Yusuf) was called simply a king

    History: No pharoahs at the time of biblical Joseph.

    Checkmate, Christians

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    Bible: The ruler in the time of Joseph(Yusuf) AS was called a pharoah

    Quran; The ruler in the time of Joseph(Yusuf) was called simply a king

    History: No pharoahs at the time of biblical Joseph.

    Checkmate, Christians
    Pharaoh just means a ruler in Egypt. You could call it Pharaoh, King, Ruler, or whatever you want.

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    Satan is powerless infront of Allah and his faithful messengers.
    Yeah, like David and Solomon.

    "The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

    "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?"

    Or Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah, and Abraham: http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...sus-in-Genesis

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    this is the thread that occurred in my search, that lead me here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tnatr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jihaaaaaaad View Post
    Bible: The ruler in the time of Joseph(Yusuf) AS was called a pharoah

    Quran; The ruler in the time of Joseph(Yusuf) was called simply a king

    History: No pharoahs at the time of biblical Joseph.

    Checkmate, Christians
    Pharaoh just means a ruler in Egypt. You could call it Pharaoh, King, Ruler, or whatever you want.
    No, just no.

    Pharoah is a title and the title cannot be used for a king or governor. It has its place in the times. The Bible writer made a terrible mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tnatr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    edit : Add to post # 13



    You did not address the issue (post # 11) why ? the saving of the body of Pharaoh from the midst of the sea bed, the Greatest miracle of its kind ( Pharaoh body is there in Egypt as alive Proof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83fOJMTQBvc ) was not mentioned in the OT ,NT ? or the Torah ? WHICH IS THE 1st SOURCE OF THIS SPECTACULAR EVENT OF HISTORY ?

    Open Challenge to all the Christians, Jews alive on the Globe. '' TRUTH PREVAILS "
    Satan knows a thing or two about history.
    Consider the Quran that:

    *embarrasses Satan beyond mere humiliation and curses him
    * clears the chastity of Virgin Mary all over Arabia. (Say thank you Satan!)
    * humiliates the polytheists while glorifying the monotheism of Abraham (say thank you Satan)
    * encourages charity (so much many times than the Bible)
    * encourages good adab (treatment of parents, neighbours, family and community)

    Etc

    This excuse of yours goes beyond ludicrous.

    Consider also this: If the Quran is indeed the word of God bestowed upon the Seal of the Prophets through angel Gabriel, are you calling Gabriel Satan???

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tnatr View Post
    Satan knows a thing or two about history.
    I did not get your reply , if it is so you mean that my challenge was Satanic, You should know we Muslims need not challenge others since Islam is growing on its own with its THE MOST CLEAR CUT monotheism and The message of The Lord '' The Noble Quran '' from the creator of the worlds but its you people WHO come HERE to debate , try to misguide us even with your DISTORTED Books and CHALLENGE us with threads like these below, and is from yourselves on your Previous name of Nintentacle.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...46#post6171146

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...-cause-fitnah)

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

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    Peace & greetings,

    Sanjay Dwivedi ,a high cast Hindu, A Brahmin From a prestigious Family and who studied about 15 years to become a Pandit or a Hindu scholar, later studied the Quran and embraced Islam told these facts That One True God has been mentioned in many places of vedas as one without form, without father or mother as believed in Islam. Prophet Muhammad (sal) has been mentioned in the Vedas (about 4000 years) as Muhammad and Prophet Abraham Or Ibrahim(as) is also mentioned in Vedas in Rig Vedha as ' 'Abrahm'' the one who is Circumcised and mentioning about Prophet Muhammad its been clearly mentioned he will be circumcised and he will be meat eater while followers of Vedas there were mainly Pure vegetarians called , the brahmins. Al Biruni,The Islamic Scientist,Astronomer who came to India says Brahmins of High status were purely monotheist (from wiki as below)

    '' Al-Biruni was disgusted by scholars who failed to engage'' PRIMARY SOURCES'' in their treatment of Hindu Religion.......................................... .................................................. ..............

    Al-Biruni divides Hindus into an educated and an uneducated class. He describes the educated as monotheistic, believing that God is one, eternal, and omnipotent and eschewing all forms of idol worship. He recognizes that uneducated Hindus worshipped a multiplicity of idols yet points out that even some Muslims (such as the Jabiriyya) have adopted anthropomorphic concepts of God. (Ataman, 2005) ''


    But still a part of the world likes Assumptions, Imaginations and creates comparision to The One True God, the Creator. which is the Biggest Injustice & the Biggest unforgivable sin as Per the Noble Quran.

    kindly watch Mr Divedi as "Ahmed Pandit' but in Urdu ,Hindi

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W928jZVfCm4

    Here's a translation of this video from my limited Hindi, Urdu knowledge as follows

    Today we can see there is a line or queue of gods in them is not because they benefit from them but they worship them to achieve peace of their hearts. I had many friends who taught vedas and granth to others but I myself saw that they were never Peaceful. Why ? beacuse there was a big search in their hearts for the real Creator who had sent the Message to mankind. And that is Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)

    Reads in sanskrit and translates..This Muhammad will be born in Arabia which will be near sea. Does it mean river Ganges ? Its the same place where we are standing now which is close to the sea (might be he was in middle east while delivering this speech) reads Sanskrit and translates..Lets clear it more. The ambassador of God will be born in a such a place where its surroundings have been visited by many other Ambassadors of God before him. He will be the last Ambassadors among all those ambassadors of God.

    Reads sanskrit translates... that God who is the one and the Most Powerful God whose representative he will be and he will proclaim the truth to the mankind that the Creator of Mankind is only one and Most Powerful and none else except him. So Big Truth the vedas are exclaiming,screaming,and you will get these vedas today at the market or holybooks bazar, am not talking about vedas 300 years old which have been Kept in Banaras(sacred city) all these proofs i've told you are in those vedas in the market.And those vedas that I was taught is not available in the holybooks market now.You can research about Prophet's name in the vedas from the market.the 15 times of Prophet Muhammad 's name mentioned will also be available in them.

    Let see what will Prophet will do after he comes (as in vedas)

    He will bring such a message which will give success to humanity & what will be the last message. READS SANSKRIT TRANSlates

    Ganga (ganges) does not mean the name of river but it means pure water which refers to the purest water of Zam zam.
    He will have 5 things that the earlier Ambassadors of God did not have.
    1)One will be zamzam well
    2)The city where they will turn their face while Praying
    3) will Preach message or Mission of about one god(not clear)
    4)circumcision will be followed by his people.
    5)he will bring book of God or message, it means Noble Quran which will tell how to lead the complete life

    Reads Sanskrit Translates,

    He will be the Guru of all Gurus(Guru means Teacher or leader) He will inform from Arabia and message will be spread from there. will use Clear water those of angels he will use or Zam zam water (or refers to cleaning of Prophet's heart by angels) Reads Sanskrit & translates.. After Delivering the above 5 things he will declare to God saying that the responsibility God gave him He has delivered it completely to the mankind and his duty is now completed.

    ( I think he refers to the last haj Sermon where Prophet(saw) says ''(http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...arewell-Sermon)

    '' Toward the end of his sermon, Muhammad asked "O people, have I faithfully delivered unto you my message?" A powerful murmur of assent "O Allah, yes!", arose from thousands of pilgrims and the vibrant words "Allahumma na’m" rolled like thunder throughout the valley. Muhammad raised his forefinger and said: "Be my witness O Allah, that I have conveyed your message to your people." )


    And his followers Men & women will love & follow the Guru ( teacher) such as babies run after their Mothers, such will be the Gurus's students and follow his message( not sure) This is the light that Vedas Emit, are we ready to take advantage of it ? Ask ourselves in how much darkness we are now ? we have been worshipping some many gods leaving the Real ONE to be worshipped, But Inspite of it See how kind is our True One God , our Creator who has been fullfilling all our needs though we have sinned but did not ask anything in return . Inspite of knowing our real Creator ,Are we not yet ready to turn to him ?
    This thread is bumped as a Proof to liars who claim that Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) 's name was not Prophesied in Scriptures Replied the below thread, replied in my post # 37

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...2117-Isaiah-42

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Who is Vedas? :Scratch: good night :Sleepy:

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    Who is Vedas? :Scratch: good night :Sleepy:
    The Vedas are the Hindu scriptures. Mohammed being mentioned in the Hindu scriptures which Muslims see as a polytheistic religion makes as much sense as claiming Mohammed was mentioned in the Bible, which they believe to be corrupted. IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbed View Post
    The Vedas are the Hindu scriptures. Mohammed being mentioned in the Hindu scriptures which Muslims see as a polytheistic religion makes as much sense as claiming Mohammed was mentioned in the Bible, which they believe to be corrupted. IMHO
    Isn't that like wanting your cake and eat it too? it doesn't make sense

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    Who is Vedas? :Scratch: good night :Sleepy:
    Should I spoon feed you like a toddler ?or give milk into your mouth with a milk bottle ?

    Google and find it , should i teach you that too, Your jumping a lot now after you fraudulently achieved + 2 rep power in 4 hours today morning

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    Should I spoon feed you like a toddler ?or give milk into your mouth with a milk bottle ?

    Google and find it , should i teach you that too, Your jumping a lot now after you fraudulently achieved + 2 rep power in 4 hours today morning
    It is Hypocrisy to only complain when good rep points come suddenly and not protest when they are lost suddenly; moreover, you appear as the child with your colorful letters and childish emotions you constantly use because you cannot express yourself like everyone else. grow up

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    It is Hypocrisy to only complain when good rep points come suddenly and not protest when they are lost suddenly; moreover, you appear as the child with your colorful letters and childish emotions you constantly use because you cannot express yourself like everyone else. grow up
    What you sow what you get was the loss you had . You are the First one to start this with +1 rep power within a few hours on first rep + power and this was also seen in Bond celt who came after you and You are having a fowl play here you Crooked LIAR . And I am sure you have connection the teaching from the dirty teachings you got, you double faced imposters from your DISTORTED BOOKS.:rolleyeswith hackers who are inserting bugs in my computer right from the day you owed to SILENCE me .

    You dirty game players that was from the dirty teachings of your book.

    You are kiddish from the start and even in dubious +repping of yours. So this is what you rae doing after getting +2 rep of you life &

    Similies are given by ummah to correctly express what we really want to say, & even Fonts are for the same, boy that the idea behind it. So you should be going

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    What you sow what you get was the loss you had . You are the First one to start this with +1 rep power within a few hours on first rep + power and this was also seen in Bond celt who came after you and You are having a fowl play here you Crooked LIAR . And I am sure you have connection the teaching from the dirty teachings you got, you double faced imposters from your DISTORTED BOOKS.:rolleyeswith hackers who are inserting bugs in my computer right from the day you owed to SILENCE me .

    You dirty game players that was from the dirty teachings of your book.

    You are kiddish from the start and even in dubious +repping of yours. So this is what you rae doing after getting +2 rep of you life &

    Similies are given by ummah to correctly express what we really want to say, & even Fonts are for the same, boy that the idea behind it. So you should be going
    This childish name calling and all the stupid emotions, colorful print and constant frivolous reporting of my posts has got to stop. Don't you notice your rep points are not going up?
    BTW, I mentioned nothing about giant fonts in the post you responded to. I'll repeat what I said: It is Hypocrisy to only complain when good rep points come suddenly and not protest when they are lost suddenly; moreover, you appear as the child with your colorful letters and childish emotions you constantly use because you cannot express yourself like everyone else. grow up. grow up, grow up..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ4u View Post
    This childish name calling and all the stupid emotions, colorful print and constant frivolous reporting of my posts has got to stop. Don't you notice your rep points are not going up?
    BTW, I mentioned nothing about giant fonts in the post you responded to. I'll repeat what I said: It is Hypocrisy to only complain when good rep points come suddenly and not protest when they are lost suddenly; moreover, you appear as the child with your colorful letters and childish emotions you constantly use because you cannot express yourself like everyone else. grow up. grow up, grow up..........
    Its not going to stop which EXPOSES HYPOCRITES LIKE YOU. Rep points that you acquire fraudulently ? +2 in 4 hours ? that's a joke and weakness , loopholes you used So when I CORRECTLY expressed your real true colours with my colour FONTS & Similies you are going

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    Its not going to stop which EXPOSES HYPOCRITES LIKE YOU. Rep points that you acquire fraudulently ? +2 in 4 hours ? that's a joke and weakness , loopholes you used So when I CORRECTLY expressed your real true colours with my colour FONTS & Similies you are going
    I am waiting to get three 1+1+1 = 3 rep points; Then I can say three

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    I am waiting to get three 1+1+1 = 3 rep points; Then I can say three
    Even if you get +300 rep power know that you are a '' FRAUD'' like your the religion you Represent whose foundation is in Mud that's why the Noble Quran does not EXPLICITLY say that '' Gospels are distorted'' because its unnecessary but instead said something like they took Jesus as God as one of three , Just to show that you are in no Monotheist religion who took man as god like the polytheists and there is nothing to negotiate with you when you are basis in bankrupt unlike most of the Jews.

    We can negotiate to buy a building which is half completed or in repairs. Will anyone negotiate to buy a building whose foundation is only on MUD, EXCEPT A STUPID LIKE YOU AJ4u

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    Even if you get +300 rep power know that you are a '' FRAUD'' like your the religion you Represent whose foundation is in Mud that's why the Noble Quran does not EXPLICITLY say that '' Gospels are distorted'' because its unnecessary but instead said something like they took Jesus as God as one of three , Just to show that you are in no Monotheist religion who took man as god like the polytheists and there is nothing to negotiate with you when you are basis in bankrupt unlike most of the Jews.

    We can negotiate to buy a building which is half completed or in repairs. Will anyone negotiate to buy a building whose foundation is only on MUD, EXCEPT A STUPID LIKE YOU AJ4u
    You didn't get my warning? Friend, what is wrong with you??? How is what you are saying good for the religion (Islam) you want to represent or are you representing your own private religion?

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ4u View Post
    You didn't get my warning? Friend, what is wrong with you??? How is what you are saying good for the religion (Islam) you want to represent or are you representing your own private religion?
    Your Warning in a basket of Garbage, Stupid ?

    Send your hackers & mafia you kid , will be thrown into the garbage too.

    Get out of our home Ummah you shameless Fraud , Beggars are better than Cheaters

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    Re: VEDAS foretells About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

    Quote Originally Posted by talibilm09 View Post
    Your Warning in a basket of Garbage, Stupid ?

    Send your hackers & mafia you kid ,
    How about I make you an offer you cannot refuse?

 

 

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