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    Perverted Addictions: Why Can't I Just Quit!


    Insha'Allah, from now on, I will be posting a series of rhetoric on the topic of breaking free from addiction, whether perversion, anti-social habits etc. And Insha'Allah, if you suffer from compulsion to any such habit, you will begin to see that it is not impossible to break free from it. The moment you "believe" you can break free, consider your life 70% free from sexual deviations, whether in the form of viewing illicit material, masturbation, constant illicit thoughts and Wasawas etc. But the belief that you can break free, comes from the knowledge that there actually is a way to break free forever.

    Now, in my last post, titled "Why We Become Addicted to Sexual Deviations", I talked about the actual first process of how your body's chemistry attaches itself to certain habits. We've come to know about the mental framework that regulates the whole process of sexual addiction. How Dopamine and other brain chemicals, their negative imbalances, hijack the "reward pathways" of your brain that provide you pleasure, satisfaction, and so you find negative ways to fulfill the needs of that reward pathway.

    In this post, I will talk about phase 2. Why we remain addicted, even though we realize there is a problem, and we see it with our own eyes that it affects our life negatively, our development as a Muslim, as a healthy member of society, and in many other painful ways.

    Beyond the Chemstry of Pleasure, And Our Communal Tendencies

    Let's talk about the layer on top of the brain chemistry. The mental layer, the thought-process. There is something in psychological counseling called "denial". It is the main reason that people are unable to quit their habits, simply because they don't believe they have a problem. In the Muslim community, we don't have this problem Alhamdulillah, because our religion identifies for us what a sin is, and that a sin is actually a problem we need to get rid of.

    However, the version of "denial" that affects our communities, and I've come across this many times over the course of treating Muslim patients...what I call "semi-denial." Semi-denial is when you understand there is a problem, but remain unaware about actually how deep and well-grounded it is in your system. As a result, the level of reaction you show is not enough to get rid of the problem permanently, into a life of permanent peace and progress.

    Also, let's point out a psycho-spiritual aspect as well to this problem. And for this we need to understand our community psychology, and how Shaitan, in these times, works around that psychology. I've identified this with several of addiction patients, and all of them said "Yes, this is exactly how I used to feel towards treating addiction, and I think this is why I did not make the required effort (and that typical "Whoa, I never realized this" smile always follows).

    One of the psychological maps that I noticed, over the scores of Muslims treated for sex addiction was this, "I do a lot of spiritual stuff, hopefully I won't be addicted tomorrow by way of some miracle." "I make Tawbah a lot, hopefully things will be better now." The spiritual part is compulsory, but understand that the mental craving for not doing it again will not go away through the spiritual part alone. This is exactly why people remain violently thrown around in the cyclone of addiction: the uncontrollable thoughts, sinning, repenting, crying...the uncontrollable thoughts, sinning, repenting, crying...to the point that you frustrate yourself into hopelessness, and all the while Shaitan enjoys the scenario.

    A lot of people came to me and said that their life came to a point where they would think, "O Allah, when will all this end?" or "Is there something lacking in the way I repent?"

    So, what's the lesson here?

    That to stop the mental craving, that rapidly transforms into that daily flood of sexual thoughts, and those thoughts transform almost instantly into that daily sin...you need therapeutic activities that address the problem directly to the mind. The only way to break free forever is to cleanse the mind's pathways. Half of that process is spiritual, the other half is physical.

    The Incessant Cycle

    Browse the forums, how many people do you see complaining about sinning in Ramadan itself? Wasn't fasting supposed to be the one-stop solution for desires? People have posted about masturbating during fasts but stopping just short of climax, couples have talked about disrupting their fast in the morning through intercourse during fasting, young individuals have complained about fasting and yet experiencing a flood of sexual thoughts.

    Understand, that the mental system needs intravenous and direct solutions of its own.

    Brothers and sisters, there are 3 systems running in our existence at any time, the way Allah has created us. Spirit, and for that there's Dhikr, recitation etc. Body, and for that there is fasting. Mind, the dimension of neurocircuitry and neuro-transmission, and for that there is it's own set of therapies.

    So, How Do We Go About the Mind Part?

    Now we're getting somewhere.

    We've squared off the fact that the mind plays an entirely autonomous (independant) role in your addiction. Let's discuss the actual therapy process that we take our subjects through in counseling.

    The most important part of the counseling process is for the subject themselves to realize the depth of the problem. You, yourself need to diagnose how deep down you stand in the addiction pit, & only then can you formulate a plan to scale the heights towards the top of the pit, and into freedom forever. (HURRAH!)

    Here's the first exercise that we have our subjects do, to help them self-diagnose the intensity of the problem in their life.

    - Clear your mind (if possible walk out in the open)

    - Take Deep Breaths, be extremely honest with yourself, and then answer the follow questions.

    (You can do this without taking deep breaths and clearing your mind, but I guarantee you the results will not be as good and complete)

    - Copy these questions on MS Word (or excellent if you can write this stuff out), and then answer them.


    "I admit that even though I try, I feel powerless over certain sexual tendencies, and that it has made a part of my life unmanageable."


    1. Give 3 examples of being Powerless, of being unable to stop or set a limit. For eg. I made a resolve that I will try not to masturbate for the next 2 weeks, but I found myself doing it a few hours later.

    2. Give 3 examples of Unmanageability: of trying to manage my addictive behavior. For example, I finished all my illict web site profiles with the resolution to stop completely, only to find myself registering on new explicit websites.

    3. Write a short paragraph of your Disease Progression, showing progress from how your addiction began to where it is today (Details are not as important as realizing the direction your behavior has taken you). For example, I started by fantasizing, progressed to viewing illicit material, compulsive dirty habits and so on.

    4. Give 3 examples of the costs of your compulsion. For eg. my addiction cost me my relationships with my wife and children, or my health etc.

    5. Sincerely answer this Question: If I do not stop, where will my addiction ultimately lead me?

    - Once you have answered, close the document or put away that piece of paper. Forget about it completely.

    - Then, re-open it 5-6 hours later, and read through it as if you are someone else.

    My friend...this is where you stand in the addiction story, and this is from where you will have to work your way up. The only way to reach the top and into light'n'freedom is by addressing the mental tendencies that brought your life to this point in the first place.

    And I'll tell you one thing for sure. This is not just a diagnosis, it is also a "sincerity test." The only reason you will do that exercise is if you are sincere in your intention to quit, sincere to your God, and most importantly, sincere to yourself. As Allah says "Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves." Don't let laziness stop you. My friend, we've had enough of these filthy thoughts damage our brain mercilessly, we've spent enough hours hurting our health through compulsive dirty habits, we've been away far too long from one day, just one day when we won't break any sexual rules as ordained by our beautiful religion. Let's change this condition. Let's identify and profile the problem, and let's transform it into an old forgotten chapter in the book of our life.

    I pray that Allah gives you shifa from compulsive behavior. Rememeber, Haya or modesty is one of the keys to success and barakah in life. As Allah mentions in Surah al A'raf, verse 96, "And if only the people of the cities had believed and adopted Taqwah, We would have opened upon them blessings from the heaven and the earth.."

    It's just that in the times we live in, with the fitnah of pornography and such stuff going around so easily, Taqwah has become a game with added requirements to protect ourselves. May Allah help you in your quest for sexual sobriety.

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    My next post, Insha'Allah, will be on the topic of diets and foods that help control addictive behavior. These are daily foods that we ignore to take, and can help us seriously mitigate chemical imbalances that lead to sexual compulsion. I have seen scores of patients recovering faster than others, simply because they chose to stick to the dietary programs we advised them to.

    Any questions or guidance needed, I am always here Insha'Allah.
    Last edited by Mr.President; 12-07-14 at 10:15 AM.

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    Thank you very much for this. I know I have a problem, but Im not too far down the rabbit hole yet. I find it hard to restrain myself. Im not on any website, I dont watch porn, etc

    I find I just need to keep myself busy with something, and changing my nightly routine and starting exercise has helped greatly. I stay around people all day and wake up in the morning so by night time (when i would usually commit this sin) Im too tired to think.

    Im not going to say I haven't fallen back, but Im making great progress and the longer I go the easier it gets.

    I look forward to your next post.

    Thank you

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    Re: Perverted Addictions: Why Can't I Just Quit!

    Tl: but i am guessing it was a useful post. Yes Mr. President. Anything you say.

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    Re: Perverted Addictions: Why Can't I Just Quit!



    I think your posts should be stickied by mods so people can read whenever they can.

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    Re: Perverted Addictions: Why Can't I Just Quit!

    This is brilliant,
    "Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes"

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    Re: Perverted Addictions: Why Can't I Just Quit!

    for the motivation guys. There's nothing more satisfying than seeing a Muslim brother or sister escape the clutches of Satanic compulsion and into the life that Allah intended for us Muslims. What He refers to as "Whoever does righteousness, whether male or female, while he is a believer - We will surely cause him to live a good life, and We will surely give them their reward [in the Hereafter] according to the best of what they used to do." (16:97)

    Now, Sister Mockingjay is right on the dot. The way I am sequencing this whole rhetoric is from the basics of breaking free from addiction to the advanced steps. When all the information is put together, it will become a complete "Addiction Therapy Course" for Muslims. I just wish there was a way that these posts could be preserved on this website in someway, where they could be available in the sequence they are written. So that anyone who suffers from any compulsive habit, can read through it and understand that it ain't rocket science to break free from addiction, you just have to take the right and practical steps and things will fall into order. As simple as taking Tylenol for fever.

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    Re: Perverted Addictions: Why Can't I Just Quit!

    Ive stuck the thread.

    Maybe once its done, you can collate it all in to steps and then let me know.

    Ill lock the thread so it can be as a point of reference only

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    Re: Perverted Addictions: Why Can't I Just Quit!

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    Salam,

    First, JazakAllah for providing feedback, it's phenomenally encouraging to know that someone on the other end of the tunnel is benefiting from all this rhetoric.

    Getting to business, let's highlight something really important here. Night time, I actually call that "war zone" time. That's usually the time when this thing attacks the most, and in the most relentless way, and I've noticed that across Muslim and non-Muslim patients, both.

    If you read the latest post titled "The Vicious Three", you came across the part where I talked about subliminal influences on our mind, by the modern-day environment. The type that can induce compulsion and addiction in you, without you realizing it. How that connects night-time cases is that the dissociative identity or the "influenced part" of your psyche that I talked about, the way it is affected, it is supposed to attack the mind when the mind is in it's most restive, and defenseless state....night time, usually when you're about to hit bed. So, don't worry, it happens to tons of other people who are exposed to the same influences, which is pretty much all of us.

    In counseling, we have techniques to dismantle that "addiction clock", and render the mind free of any influence, that is "designed" to attack you right during that time-frame, or any other time-frame where your compulsion usually strikes. It has to do with individual sexual triggers, routines and mental influences.

    Here's something that you can do, in addition to the exercise routine (which is excellent). Right before sleeping, about an hour prior, drink two glasses of water. Then, right before sleep, make sure you relieve yourself and empty your bladder. Drinking water is good for you any ways, but doing so before sleep and then relieving your bladder of any pressure will rejuvenate and replenish the body's overall function. A heavy bladder, especially when lying down, is something that will fuel sexual impulses.

    As far as the not watching porn part...good job my friend. May Allah bless your efforts to overcome compulsion. And thank you for the feedback once again. (I wish more people could start posting anonymous feedback, it would benefit everyone Insha'Allah)
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    Salam,

    Brother i have been struggling with this since quite a while, and to those who think marriage can solve this then its aleast not true for me. Although i have had on and off periods, but the cycle you described is a reality for me. I went throughout this ramadan without indulging in this but it was only a week after ramadan had ended that i was overcome by this again. Knowing that i had been off this for good 30-40 days but then going back to it was very depressing for me. It dosent help that the mrs and kids are away for a couple of more weeks.

    Iam not sure whether this is another shataan`s waswasa but now i have decided i will start by atleast staying away from porn...since then i have had a couple of close calls where i ended up indulging but i avoided watching porn....

    Living in the west does not help ...especially during summer....i have to walk to work everyday and i try to keep my eyes lowered...but even the first glance is enough for me to trigger thoughts...sometimes i find myself almost in tears because of what i see and thinking about the consequences its having on my mind...

    As far as masterbation is concerned i read a fatwa that although it is makru and its only allowed inorder to avoid zina, that if the person is in a state where he knows that he may commit actual zina, but i was thinking that since watching porn is also in a way commiting zina of the eyes. So i said to myself that atleast i should stay away from what is outright wrong and then try to wean off from masterbation by keeping myself busy eg keep good company, take up healthy hobbies... etc....

    Please pray for me.

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    Re: Perverted Addictions: Why Can't I Just Quit!

    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered999 View Post
    Salam,

    Brother i have been struggling with this since quite a while, and to those who think marriage can solve this then its aleast not true for me. Although i have had on and off periods, but the cycle you described is a reality for me. I went throughout this ramadan without indulging in this but it was only a week after ramadan had ended that i was overcome by this again. Knowing that i had been off this for good 30-40 days but then going back to it was very depressing for me....

    Please pray for me.
    Wa'Salam wa'Rehmatullah Brother,

    A warm welcome to the brave soul on-board the redemption train, and hope that the small flame of change in your heart will translate into a raging fire in due time; albeit, that would require the same level of zeal you have right now to meet the practical paths to freedom. Let's shed light on those.

    See now, you are definitely not alone, and probably one of the thousands of other married men who face this predicament in their lives. And more so, thousands from amongst those men are changing their lives by identifying and confronting how deep this problem really is. My friend, I hope that by now you've realized this problem is more mental than spiritual. What happened in Ramadan was basically you having a change of mindset, changing your psychological gears such that your self-dialogue said "This is a time I will respect, a month I will spiritually capitalize on", and so that whole "other" personality inside you, the addicted guy if we may call it, he sort of went in the back-end. The moment Ramadan ended, slowly the gears went back to the pre-Ramadan state and the self-dialogue also changed accordingly. Consequently, before you knew it, it was all back again. As if it was waiting in the back-end for Ramadan to end, and put you back on the negative track again.

    If I were you, and since I deal with human psychology, rather than thinking that I was suddenly free after those 30-40 days, I would sort of be prepared that sooner or later it would be back to square one for me. Wanna know why? This is where those "practical paths" to freedom kick in. What you need to understand is how modern fitnahs attack your mind. Digital media like pornography is like this thing that resides in a corner of your mind, and slowly forms connections to your environment in a discreet manner. Consequently, you see something on the road, but that pornography connection is triggered in your mind, and you want to see the same thing, which you saw just walking around or wherever, in an explicit context on the internet. It's a whole 9 yards type of a thing that needs an anti-dote that is equally strategic in its treatment demeanor; namely, therapy which goes right to those corners of your mind, opens up the protective layers on top, which don't allow you to access that foolish personality inside, and then take that mental tendency out of your mind.

    And now that we've cleared off that this is something that will require psychotherapy, let's analyze you or everyone else in the same predicament. "I know its necessary for me, and that psychotherapy is the easiest and fastest way out, but how do I go about this without getting shamed in the process?" I mean, that's what could become a roadblock here, right?

    So, first, there's a lot of psychotherapists available on the internet now, who will manage the therapist-to-subject relationship in a online manner, and you can manage it without anyone finding out. I mean, since its Skype that they typically use, you could use it on your cell-phone by turning on the mobile internet while sitting in the privacy of your car, or perhaps you could just shut the door and tell your family you're doing something really important and have your Skype therapy session via a headset etc. For a starting point, you can Google "online psychotherapists" or "psychotherapy online" and it'll give you a range of options that will suit your privacy and financial requirements. Importantly, you need a psychotherapist whose focus area is sex addiction. Some of them go for un-Islamic stuff like therapy via music or similar, but you will know that before beginning anything, so do your homework before finding the right choice. There's websites where hundreds of therapists offer their services and advertise their rates as well, so it becomes a lot easier to make a decision.

    Here's another roadblock to that process. "Umm...sure I have a problem, but do I really need psychotherapy...I mean, I think I can pop out of this by myself, it'll just be a matter of time before I do." Let's simplify that equation partner. I guarantee you, based on my experience, you only see how deep you are caught in this, once you see the addiction receding, and you can feel those parts of your mind and personality again. Right now, it's way too clouded for you to even decipher how deep this problem goes. 2 sessions with a professional, and I guarantee you that you'll know what I'm talking about. And then two things will happen. First, you'll sort of be like "Really, how did it ever go this deep, even though I never followed a true addict's lifestyle", and secondly "Darn that guy was right about this whole thing." Sometimes you just need to close your eyes and trust a resource who knows his craft...and the answers will come walking to you.

    The rest, it's pretty much in your own hands. You wanna be free forever? Well, you're going to have to take the necessary steps here. I did give it a overview in one of my earlier posts, that why we, the Muslims of today, suddenly find ourselves in strange habits, even though we follow normal lives otherwise. How modern day influences create these alters inside us without us even realizing it. I mean, a guy prays 5 times a day, community service, healthy stuff like sports and what not...and one day, that moment comes in.."I was only curious and thought it would be a one-off thing"...and that moment becomes years unfortunately. You can read that material here, for better insight

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...p-Hopelessness

    I pray that Allah helps you realize the depth of this problem and take the right step. Take my word on this, psychotherapy won't just rid you of this problem. You'll come across a new you..that you didn't know existed, and then watch the positivity flow within, Insha'Allah.
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    Re: Perverted Addictions: Why Can't I Just Quit!

    Assalam-ul- Aliekum !
    I'm a young man unmarried currently in his early 20's struggling with a very particular sexual deviation which crept into me since when I was like 6 yrs old. I even remember the traumatic experiences I had faced, related to it, when I was 4-5 yrs old. The thing which upsets me so much is that I always have haten nudity and pornography from the very start and have always avoided such things ( I found such things nasty and shameful and still do ) but this extremely powerful fetish of mine took over my life throughout puberty and became a daily routine to be indulged into, I regard this a profound accident / mishap.
    There are many people out there that are actually suffering from paraphilias and fetishes and it's upsetting that these have not been given much consideration from religious aspect despite people suffering with them in their daily lives and they keep it secret. My question is if someone has odd fetishes / paraphilias what should he do, it is a disorder that takes place in a person during his early years (childhood) just like homosexuality mainly due to trauma experiences...

    Quite many of them are really disturbing and clearly "spiritual oppression" might be somehow involved. Note that all of these are real and can be searched on web if doubts exist.

    A list of fetishes and paraphilias : http://www.psychforums.com/fetishes/topic143984.html

    Practical Cases Examples / Link.
    - An example from a muslim forum Crush fetish : http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234980886-fetishes/
    - Balloon fetish https://ca.answers.yahoo.com/questio...6230053AAEA1SE
    - bubblegum blowing fetish : https://in.answers.yahoo.com/questio...3121341AAyS0HC
    - Vomit fetish : https://ca.answers.yahoo.com/questio...6134628AApHeWj
    http://www.psychforums.com/fetishes/topic128782.html
    - Foot Fetish (Muslim forum) http://www.yanabi.com/index.php?/top...ish-and-islam/
    -Scat / watersports https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...6170807AA0yPpl

    There are innocent ones too but still one may wonder if shaitan might be at work to spread infliction and damage...
    There are many ways that spiritual/demonic oppression may manifests itself. Paraphilias, fetishes and unhealthy obsessions may just be a few of the symptoms. They may attach via the endocrine and nervous system, feeding off of excitement and fear. And in turn drive our thoughts and behaviors… commonly sexual ones.
    During my struggle from the past year I sometimes remembered the years of my early childhood (before this deviation), when life was pure and blissful, and I burst into tears. It seriously feels like a burden, a curse.

    These are apparently serious topics which require insight from a spiritual side..Ive spent a lot of times researching on this topic from a psychological side and below is some data which I have accumulated which could be knowledgeable and of significant use to many.

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    A person may be acting out of their severe past trauma which the brain was unable to cope with. The term "dissociation" fits well into the context. Dissociation is the ability of the mind to hide a memory, a feeling, or a body sensation for a short or a long time.The mind does this quickly when it feels that what is happening is too much for us to handle. The mind acts like a light switch and turns off all or parts of the event. It also keeps this event apart from other information with which it would usually be joined. Dissociation is a way for the mind to deal with the very hard things of life. Dissociation can be a symptom of an illness such as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder , Generalized Anxiety ,Disorder etc. This suggests that the wiring of the immature developing brain get messed up (glitch) and as a result has dire consequences for the mind itself. Repeated exposure to such distressing events reinforces the "medication" circuits inside the brain making them prominent ( the fetish ) which then is very difficult to be modified i.e the brain becomes hardwired to response like that in such situations.
    http://www.caritas.ab.ca/NR/rdonlyre...ssociation.pdf

    Wikipedia gives information on crush fetishism by explaining " The main reason that crush fetishes form is that the child/adolescent who acquired it, experienced a situation in which they deemed shocking or had an impact on their life while experiencing puberty. The brain performs a mental substitution for the person forming the fetish and links it to sexual stimulation. Later on, when a similar experience is performed, the neurotransmitter phenylethylamine (chemical responsible for infatuation and love) is activated and provokes sexual arousal. Continued thoughts and exposure to such scenarios strengthens the connection increasing the likelihood of it becoming permanent." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ACrush_fetish
    A crush fetishist presents his views " “It’s my oldest fetish with no known origin, and I like it for about the same reason as eproctophilia. Maybe that I also disliked seeing people kill bugs as a kid, while also finding it arousing." https://drmarkgriffiths.wordpress.co...rush-fetishes/

    Basically paraphilias / fetishes in their simplest form can be " The experience of pleasure with deep rooted psychological pain. "

    Pain can take multiple forms :
    -Sadness / Upsetting
    -Anger
    -Humiliation
    -Fear
    -Shocking

    The human mind can be divided in to two parts i.e the conscious and the subconscious.
    -> Conscious = consists of everything inside of our awareness
    -> Subconscious = psychic activity just below the level of awareness

    The pleasure is in his conscious part of the mind. The traumatic primal pain is in the subconscious part of the mind. This is the reason why he feels like he is experiencing 100 % pleasure with 0% pain , but the truth is the pain is too deep rooted into his subconscious to make him realize / feel it at all while being "medicated" with the pleasure.
    Conscious--> Pleasure
    Subconscious---> Primal Pain

    Fetishes are connected to neurochemical imbalance because they are not about sex / romance / intimation. They are a primal pain management strategy, especially toxic shame.

    Abandonment trauma ( percieved) is the root of all addictions. This causes repression of psychological pain (pathological)..and has dire consequences for the brain. Fetishes reconstruct unfinished patterns connected to deep emotional stuff. Compulsive acting out of fetishes aren't "tastes", it's about medicating pain...and they come from a very foundational part of the personality.

    Where Does The Fetish Come From?
    There's no definitive answer as to why someone is or isn't precluded to having a fetish. Most remember having some kind of early childhood memory connected to the fetish.

    Fear, excitement, curiosity, pleasure are powerful emotions that are felt in the body. The body remembers the charge physiologically and for some of us those moments become eroticized on a subconscious level. Even scary childhood moments. We protected ourselves by sexualizing the powerful feelings. Generally the feelings lay dormant until we become sexually active. Then out of nowhere, we connect our original moment of excitement and experience to a powerful erotic charge. This feeling is so strong that our sexuality is linked to that early sexual/excitement/fear moment.

    For example, someone who likes spanking might have heard someone else get a spanked or they were spanked themselves. While the event wasn't necessarily enjoyable at the time, it made great impact. It was charged moment that later became sexualized. How does that happen? Spanking is done behind closed doors, undergarments are taken down and there is a certain degree of intimacy about the act. Hence, powerful emotions are evoked.

    These powerful emotions linked to the fetish are stored in the subconscious mind. They are connected to a part of our brain that produces sexual stimulation. When puberty strikes these thoughts and feelings may re-emerge. Before we realize what's happening we are associating our childhood fear/excitement to adult sexual feelings.

    Source http://www.therapywithcare.com/Article_Fetish.html
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    Wa'Alaikum as'Salam

    The question or topic of "fetish" is becoming increasingly important as the world we live in evolves into a world super-charged with tribulations thrown our way. I'm glad that you've made a decent effort to educate yourself about this specific area of sexual addiction. As a matter of fact, I'll tell you something interesting from experience in law enforcement psycho-forensics. That one of the fundamental factors that can shape a serial rapist or killer into becoming one is a fetish for something that they see as being fulfilled or reaching completion only via the poor victim. Hence, it's something that's serious enough to have chapters of its own in psychotherapy.

    Think of fetishes as a distortion in the already distorted area of "perversion.' So if perversion was the beginning of the problem, fetish is Problem 2.0. Its like a more refined version of the core. The question that a psychotherapist helps you answer by gauging your specific situation first is how that core got refined into what it is. Was it trauma that fueled the twist in perversion, or was it a genetic predisposition....It's really a case-by-case type of a thing. But the factors you've pointed out are indeed generally what are the catalysts in the background.

    May Allah accept your zeal towards identifying your problem and may He run a miraculous debugging code in your neuro-circuitry that can tone out the fetish problem from its core Ameen!

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    What's up Mr . Prezident ! ! Hope you guys are all doing well. I was just reading up on detox. An according to a site 'Detoxification (“detox”) has broad connotations ranging
    from the spiritual to the scientific, and has been used to describe practices and protocols that embrace both
    complementary (fasting, colonic cleaning) and conventional (chelation or antitoxin therapy) schools of medical thought -- as well as some that push the boundaries of scientific
    plausibility . '
    Interesting definition. So anyways , a thorough Islamically compliant Fetish Detox Program (a term i made up, lool. ) with would do the trick.
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    My opinion would be for men addicted to pornography etc to also change their way of thinking about things which can have a strong effect. mind over matter as they say. If you realise the hardships many porn stars etc go through, things that push them into this, how many women and even children are sold as sex slaves, the men who make the pornography are obese , sick perverted men (like Ron Jeremy) who couldn't get women as youngsters and go into making porn where they can use, abuse and show these women they get all over the world. Showing that now they are in a position to use, abuse and humiliate women. If you think of it as something your sisters, family members could be in if they were not part of your family. Those women are someone's mothers, daughters... Porn is a DARK DARK world and it traps men (and even women these days) and turns people into sexual deviants in the long run. Making you think you like something you naturally don't. I mean how many people dream of love and romance as teens which with constant watching of porn turns into simply sex and seeing women as those objects that can fulfill all sorts of strange unreal fantasies. However it always leaves you unfulfilled, because your physical may like it but mentally and emotionally you feel empty which is why marriage is the best thing for sex but I don't think men should marry to try to stop porn addiction as that only puts his wife in a difficult position. He should stop his addiction, purify himself, his thoughts then marry otherwise he would unwittingly treat his wife like a porn woman and not feel satisfied as his body is so used to stimulation with pics, vids etc.
    The prophet pbuh said biggest fitnah left behind is women and in these times, it is very visible why. Many men develop all sorts of sexual medical problems when it comes to watching porn, this is researched and recorded, why porn is so widely available is no mystery. It is the EASIEST way to control people's minds, particularly men which then relates to women. Building the hatred for porn through thinking about it in reality would probably put you off it if you keep thinking that way, rather than seeing it as they portray it ( that women enjoy it or are there for mens satisfaction) I saw a documentary of a man who was a pornstar who said women threw up, cried, sobbed prior to video takes...they hated what they did. He felt bad for having to go through with things with them!!! So imagine THAT is the reality of porn not the fantasy you see. Only the feeling of love between a couple brings sexual fulfillment. Every time you see it, some woman has been going through her personal hell to have reached that stage. A TED TALK by Ran Gavrieli on why he stopped watching porn is good for a man to watch.
    Remember your mind was pure to begin with, the thoughts you think now have been projected, instilled into your mind through another person...and if it is porn you watch then that horrible stuff you think is put there by another human being, some loser who couldnt get girls, he humiliates women and puts HIS fantasies into YOUR originally PURE mind. How DARE someone do that? How CAN you allow your mind, the most AMAZING part of you to be affected and brainwashed by filthy men who are literally like ANIMALS and want to make human beings into animals rather than the strong minded self respecting humans that Allah made us. That is what Shaytan loves, when we become addicted and unable to control ourselves, we can't control our minds...Shaytan loves that. Don't let him win your mind. That is only yours and yours alone to shape. Your mind makes you who you are and there is nothing more attractive in a man or a woman than discipline or a mind strong enough to overcome baser desires. Military men seem attractive to women because they have discipline (many may not in reality when it comes to women) but they exude discipline in their lifestyle.
    I have gone on a bit but I am studying psychology and addictions and this saddens me greatly. The more we think about it if we truly put our mind to it, we are losing our minds to senseless things and in that process the world is becoming lost to us not only as Muslims but also as human beings. A man should be strong mentally and build a love for a woman through her character and goodness rather than watch this stuff as it really has damaging long term consequences. So many men now can't relate to real women because of it and also don't even find real women attractive! May Allah help all people who are suffering from the compulsions, addictions and ill effects of society. Aameen.

    Mr President, May Allah reward you for helping the Muslim community and making an indepth online program for people to follow.

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    Thankyou Mr.President for your valuable feedback !

    Just To clear things up : (addressing generally)

    1) My fetish is NOT related to "vanilla" pornography or nudity in ANY WAY. It is an "odd" fetish and it's oddity could be compared to other fetishes out there like spanking / balloon popping / watersports etc etc.

    2) It's not harmful or dirty in any way BUT ofcourse it is not meant to be sexual and is therefore against nature. It comprises the elements of Submission / Domination / Power / Control but it's not the actual BDSM category (Human-Human), just relates to it and involves the use of an object. That "object" is the central material creating role play.

    3) I had always and still (As a young child till now), found/find nudity and explicit pornography disgusting and shameful, I don't watch it but use "normal/straight" fantasy as a LAST RESORT against my fetish. This allows substitution and hence the fetish not being reinforced plastically. I was the extremely innocent and modest type of child who would turn his head away even from the slightest explicit image, I just became an unfortunate victim of "satanic kinks" and this upsets me whole heartedly / greatly,

    4) The fetish attacked it self an year or so after the major traumatic experience during which I had CRIED around age 5. ( arose automatically/spontaneously - I remember the first moment Age 6 ).

    5) Generally speaking, people with ODD perversion / fetishes / sexual deviations were victims of unfortunate and innocent traumatic experiences (during their very early years), which were beyond their control, arose as a result from deep emotional stuff and a very foundational part of their personality ( eg. a fear from something such as balloon popping / vomiting / spanking- all are fetishes), and have remain unresolved. The differentiating experiences between people with and without the fetish is that the person who developed it, developed from having a MASSIVE OVERWHELMING fear in the first place.

    I found an extremely informative website although it sources from the bible and is for Christians but no doubt it has very good information. It states that :-

    "How did you arrive at this state of mind? Most sins start gradually, easing you from the truth in a step by step manner. For a male, sexual arousal is expressed in muscular tension, in particular there are sphincter muscles in the groin which give males erections when they tighten. Such is the bane of adolescent males since every small tension triggers spontaneous erections, such as nervousness in standing before a class to get a talk. Obviously, spankings also create strong tensions and thus strong erections. The problem is that you focused on the physical response and tied it mentally to sexual pleasure. Repeated dwelling on the matter reinforced the pattern in your mind making it an ingrained habit.They appeal to people's baser instincts to dominate others (the "pride of life" - I John 2:16-17). Thereby, they get a person's heart beating faster. The thought of pain makes a person tense in sympathy. Combined they make erections more likely. What you need to realize is that you are being manipulated and not for your benefit. "

    http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/ans...F.htm#Fetishes

    There are different topics discussed there like :-
    How do I battle my foot fetish?
    How do I get freedom from a spanking fetish?
    I was born with a foot fetish. Is that a sin?
    What does the Bible say about having a fetish?

    As some people have said on different websites "All perversion is based in fear and the rejection of truth for lies. Fear causes the brain to react entropically and if you think that thoughts born out of this reaction are the truth then you will have rejected truth for lies and then you become formatted to that entropy and satan (false accuser) gains a measure of control over you."

    andrew_no_one
    "It has a tendency to control and saturate a persons life to the point that whatever particular fetish they are associating with consumes them. If you doubt what I am saying you can very easily find multitudes of pornographic websites and singles forums dealing with fetish. Satan wants you to become involved with this. Husband and wife honoring each other in and out of of the bedroom, obtaining sexual gratification ONLY from each other and not some satanic "kink". I struggled with this for many years and it's a HORRIBLE snare!(trap). PLEASE PLEASE do not go down that slippery slope! RUN AWAY FROM SIN! Forgive me for going over the top with capslock but this is a terrible thing to have to deal with. It poisons your ability to form relationships, creates huge pitfalls of pride, and ruins your ability to exhibit Godly love and respect to one another."

    Slug1
    "Hey W4C, God Bless you. I don't know if you've ever happened upon any of my comments in threads dealing with demonization but about 2 years ago in my healing of my own sexual immoral addictions, two demons were cast out of me. The two demons that demonized me were masochism and satanism. Since then, the "pain" desires I had through fatasy have gone away. Sure, I'm still tempted but the authority, the "fetish" desires that seemed to control me (which they did) are gone once those demons were forced out of me."
    http://bibleforums.org/showthread.ph...-ungodly/page2

    The Toltec
    "what the indigenous Africans and Nahuatl Indians say is that sexual fetishes come from the demon world...the liaison for the demon world in 3d is neurosis...demons hide behind mental illnesses, It's also even what they taught Carl Jung...It's also what Rockefeller Foundation researchers learned from Africans and Indians...The masks in the mask rituals are termed fetishes...so that's where I'm coming from. So maybe you don't see it, but the oldest cultures on the planet do, when you study Freud you can more or less determine that he thought about 50% of all neurosis was tied to sexual repression and dysfunction...and then Jung thought roughly a little more like say 75%, but Wilhelm Reich thought that 100% of neurosis was tied to sexual repression and dysfunction. The high Tibetan lamas say that the 2 strongest forces in the universe are 1st the imagination and secondly the sex drive....the former Jesuit priest and exorcist Father Malachi Martin, who was also trained as a psychologist, and wrote the book "Hostage to the Devil" said point blank that a mental illness can actually be a possession and a seeming possession could just be a mental illness...but in reference to a fetish the indigenous said that the mask rituals were a way to experience the fetish, and if they weren't experienced in this way that the possibility of a mental illness would occur but without a doubt possession by the fetish would occur because it is a predatory "unseen" force. long story short I think I have to concur with Dr. Reich.."

    If focused analysis be given, one can easily note the majority of them have one element in common, NERVOUSNESS AND FEAR, YES ! The nervous system becomes effected and corrupted creating a false,trickery, manipulative image and Reinforcement of the delusive pattern takes the victim further away from reality. No doubt, shaitan can potentially be involved in this.

    The nervous system corrupts to such an extent that the individual becomes desensitized to normal sex/romance and develops a risk of not gaining any arousal or satisfaction from his partner and would solely become dependent on the fetish to get off !
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    Dont tell your sins as it is a big sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azmyr View Post
    Dont tell your sins as it is a big sin.
    I think its a "sin" when there's no purpose of sharing them. If someone needs to disclose his/her problems or difficult and.or unfortunate life experiences (which are very serious and had/have disastrous effects on life which may need to be addressed from a religious point of view especially when all this seems to have satanic potential being involved !) it is justified...
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    Quote Originally Posted by UsiGX View Post
    I think its a "sin" when there's no purpose of sharing them. If someone needs to disclose his/her problems or difficult and.or unfortunate life experiences (which are very serious and are/have ruining/ruined your life and needs to be addressed from a religious point of view) it is justified...
    read this brother
    http://islamqa.info/en/9562

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    Quote Originally Posted by UsiGX View Post
    I think its a "sin" when there's no purpose of sharing them. If someone needs to disclose his/her problems or difficult and.or unfortunate life experiences (which are very serious and are/have ruining/ruined your life and needs to be addressed from a religious point of view) it is justified...
    We are too closeminded often not taking people's problems into account. I think it is good mashaAllah that you are trying to get rid of your problem anonymously as they can have negative influence on marriage later on if you get stuck in a certain thing. You are working on changing it which you should continue to try inshaAllah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liya1 View Post
    We are too closeminded often not taking people's problems into account. I think it is good mashaAllah that you are trying to get rid of your problem anonymously as they can have negative influence on marriage later on if you get stuck in a certain thing. You are working on changing it which you should continue to try inshaAllah.
    And you know what brought fire in me to change in the first place ? The thought of to what extent and degree it degraded the quality of my life ( I mean it came into being when I was only 6 yrs old ! ), where my life is leading to and most importantly, my future....my relationships. Atleast I feel relieved that I've begun to take the step from a young age....

    You know how serious does this get ? It CONSUMES and CONTROLS your life having absolute disastrous effects and sometimes, even often, it even brings you suicidal thoughts by degrading the quality of life to an unbelievable extent !

    Our fate and destiny is in our own hands !
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    Quote Originally Posted by UsiGX View Post
    And you know what brought fire in me to change in the first place ? The thought of to what extent and degree it degraded the quality of my life ( I mean it came into being when I was only 6 yrs old ! ), where my life is leading to and most importantly, my future....my relationships. Atleast I feel relieved that I've begun to take the step from a young age....

    You know how serious does this get ? It CONSUMES and CONTROLS your life and has absolute disastrous effects and sometimes it even brings you suicidal thoughts, it degrades the quality of one's life to an unbelievable extent !

    Our fate and destiny is in our own hands !
    I can imagine it is hard. I hope inshaAllah you are able to do something about it. I believe, as you, we can bring change if we try inshaAllah. Sometimes though it may not happen but even then we have patience and faith in Allah. Everything in life is not easy.

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    Salam to All,

    About the whole "revealing sins" area, being a Muslim, and then being a counselor, I've been through this discussion with various scholars. All of them said that it's allowed to discuss problems like the ones people have discussed in this thread, if it is for a medical (psychiatric) purpose such as getting rid of addiction. Addiction, of any kind, is a mental problem, and then a spiritual problem. It will only and only go away with professional intervention, and if that means talking to someone, whether in person or online, then it is allowed in the Shariah.

    One of the key resources that I give to my subjects when they come on board, and ask them to give to others who are confused when they start counseling, is an excellent FAQs and page published by the Islamic Online University in Qatar. Kindly read this link, and the questions on the bottom to have your answers about whether talking about your addiction is "revealing a sin" or "getting rid of a disease" as allowed by the Shariah.

    http://www.islamiconlineuniversity.c...ng/counsel.php

    JazakAllah Khair.

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    Salam to All,

    About the whole "revealing sins" area, being a Muslim, and then being a counselor, I've been through this discussion with various scholars. All of them said that it's allowed to discuss problems like the ones people have discussed in this thread, if it is for a medical (psychiatric) purpose such as getting rid of addiction. Addiction, of any kind, is a mental problem, and then a spiritual problem. It will only and only go away with professional intervention, and if that means talking to someone, whether in person or online, then it is allowed in the Shariah.

    One of the key resources that I give to my subjects when they come on board, and ask them to give to others who are confused when they start counseling, is an excellent FAQs and page published by the Islamic Online University in Qatar. Kindly read this link, and the questions on the bottom to have your answers about whether talking about your addiction is "revealing a sin" or "getting rid of a disease" as allowed by the Shariah.

    http://www.islamiconlineuniversity.c...ng/counsel.php

    JazakAllah Khair.
    Mr.President, any comments for my last major post ?

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    Thankyou Mr.President for your valuable feedback !

    Just To clear things up : (addressing generally)

    1) My fetish is not related to "vanilla" pornography or nudity in ANY WAY. It is an "odd" fetish and it's oddity could be compared to other fetishes out there like spanking / balloon popping / watersports etc etc.

    2) It's not harmful or dirty in any way BUT ofcourse it is not meant to be sexual and is therefore against nature. It comprises the elements of Submission / Domination / Power / Control but it's not the actual BDSM category (Human-Human), just relates to it and involves the use of an object. That "object" is the central material creating role play.

    3) I had always and still (As a young child till now), found/find nudity and explicit pornography disgusting and shameful, I don't watch it but use "normal/straight" fantasy as a LAST RESORT against my fetish. This allows substitution and hence the fetish not being reinforced plastically. I was the extremely innocent and modest type of child who would turn his head away even from the slightest explicit image, I just became an unfortunate victim of "satanic kinks" and this upsets me whole heartedly / greatly,

    4) The fetish attacked it self an year or so after the major traumatic experience during which I had CRIED around age 5. ( arose automatically/spontaneously - I remember the first moment Age 6 ).

    The nervous system corrupts to such an extent that the individual becomes desensitized to normal sex/romance and develops a risk of not gaining any arousal or satisfaction from his partner and would solely become dependent on the fetish to get off !
    Apologies for the late reply, I appreciate the sincerity that you have for yourself. More over, it's very good, from a therapist's perspective, to know that you explicitly remember where this chain of fetish addiction starts and where it evolves. It's like you aced one of the first sessions we have with our subjects when we start to counsel them.

    Basically, let's go one step back from the fetish itself. Let's analyze the beginning here. What you need to understand is that how a sudden jolt of stress at an early age can trigger abnormal responses to that stress, like picking up a fetish addiction. You're probably wondering....stress? Yes, stress, one of the most powerful players in the dimension of our emotional pathways. Stress and affection are two emotions that can make or break a human-being, given the context of different situations that we see in the world around us.

    What happens is that when your body undergoes trauma, the stress builds up inside. When you don't have an outlet, the body will find an outlet itself, and that outlet will obviously be something naturally inclined towards your carnal nature as a human-being. To be honest, especially at that tender age of 6, unless an adult comes into the picture, and understands your trauma and helps you through it, you will recede into your shell with deep scars and those scars will emanate in the form of one bad habit or the other. It's the human-being in his most natural and carnal form....like someone left on an island alone, and now they've got to look for food in one way or the other. Survival is intriguing, isn't it?

    So, the bottom line is, that genetic tendency was in there, and the trauma was like the spark that blew it out of proportion, and time crafted it into the problem that it is today. The solution here, my friend, is therapy with two focus areas simultaneously. And pay attention now. It's not just the habit, but the underlying trauma is also very much there. You need to rearrange those messed up tectonics underneath, as well as reconstruct the buildings on top, and that's probably the easiest way to summarize it. Online counseling will not work at this point in time, because of the duration of the trauma that is residing in there. How much therapy do you need and in what format obviously depends on you explaining in great detail to a counselor, in an introductory session, what happened and how it progressed, and only then can a professional opinion be given about the duration of therapy and the format thereof.

    However, the summary or the greater picture of your journey towards freedom will be what I told you. It's the habit as well as the catalysts behind it, not just the habit itself. God be with you.

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    Apologies for the late reply, I appreciate the sincerity that you have for yourself. More over, it's very good, from a therapist's perspective, to know that you explicitly remember where this chain of fetish addiction starts and where it evolves. It's like you aced one of the first sessions we have with our subjects when we start to counsel them.

    Basically, let's go one step back from the fetish itself. Let's analyze the beginning here. What you need to understand is that how a sudden jolt of stress at an early age can trigger abnormal responses to that stress, like picking up a fetish addiction. You're probably wondering....stress? Yes, stress, one of the most powerful players in the dimension of our emotional pathways. Stress and affection are two emotions that can make or break a human-being, given the context of different situations that we see in the world around us.

    What happens is that when your body undergoes trauma, the stress builds up inside. When you don't have an outlet, the body will find an outlet itself, and that outlet will obviously be something naturally inclined towards your carnal nature as a human-being. To be honest, especially at that tender age of 6, unless an adult comes into the picture, and understands your trauma and helps you through it, you will recede into your shell with deep scars and those scars will emanate in the form of one bad habit or the other. It's the human-being in his most natural and carnal form....like someone left on an island alone, and now they've got to look for food in one way or the other. Survival is intriguing, isn't it?

    So, the bottom line is, that genetic tendency was in there, and the trauma was like the spark that blew it out of proportion, and time crafted it into the problem that it is today. The solution here, my friend, is therapy with two focus areas simultaneously. And pay attention now. It's not just the habit, but the underlying trauma is also very much there. You need to rearrange those messed up tectonics underneath, as well as reconstruct the buildings on top, and that's probably the easiest way to summarize it. Online counseling will not work at this point in time, because of the duration of the trauma that is residing in there. How much therapy do you need and in what format obviously depends on you explaining in great detail to a counselor, in an introductory session, what happened and how it progressed, and only then can a professional opinion be given about the duration of therapy and the format thereof.

    However, the summary or the greater picture of your journey towards freedom will be what I told you. It's the habit as well as the catalysts behind it, not just the habit itself. God be with you.
    Again, Thankyou so much Mr.President for your golden feedback, I really appreciate your contribution as a Muslim and Councillor to the forum. Below I've listed some notable points :-

    1) It's been a few months and I've been brainstorming about what you have said already i.e rebuilding and reconstructing the wrongly sensitized pathways. I've been conducting self therapy all by myself, applying Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) and Extinction learning, both which have proved very beneficial. In these I have done a research and compared the emotions and reactions of individuals which are not effected by the fetish and furthermore have thought about very similar fetish-related situations ( which I'm not effected from ) and compared them to my own fetish situation and actually found it surprising that although both situations represent very similar elements but one doesn't mean any thing special to me. This allows me to identify the key differences and analyse the triggering elements in my fetish which causes it to fire. Freud's theory makes so much sense as he said there are mental processes going on in our mind that we are not even aware of (unconscious) . Tell me if you have other strategies that I can implement.

    2) Sometimes I wonder if Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) takes place in the form of a fetish. I've found some info on it which very much matches the context here,
    "In general, most people with fetishes say they've had them since childhood or "for as long as I can remember". But post-traumatic stress can apparently increase the intensity of the fetish."

    "Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is a condition created by exposure to a psychologically distressing event outside the range of usual human experience, one which would be markedly distressing to almost anyone, and which causes intense fear, terror, and helplessness. The trauma is an assault to the person’s biology and psyche."

    "Because traumatic events are often unable to be processed by the mind and body as other experiences are, due to their overwhelming and shocking nature, they are not integrated or digested. The trauma then takes on a life of its own and, through its continued effects, haunts the survivor and prevents normal life from continuing until the person gets help."

    3) From a biological perspective I think the pre fontal cortex (PFC) is the dominant region of the brain responsible for limbic and stress and logical thinking. That region or other , for the matter, needs to be healed and maybe meditation would contribute to some improvements ? Minimizing the unwanted "Beta" waves in the mind and creating "Alpha" waves by practicing mindfulness meditation / deep relaxation.

    4) Is this true that , the more "intense" the stimulus / sexual experience -> the more dopamine/serotonin shot released -> the more you (body) will feel drained ? i.e more brain receptors and chemicals being burnt out hence making you feel extremely (and more) lethargic and weak (physically) than the average person with the average stimulus.
    I MUST mention that during all these years I've felt empty from the inside, like extremely lethargic, deprived of life. I started to significantly notice it about 5 years ago and it only got worse with the passage of time.

    5) Does the fetish itself affect the inner "genuine" personality of an individual ? For eg. his personal positive traits like sense of humor, charm, cheerfulness, overall personality OR would he be exactly the same person he is today even if he hadn't had such a thing. What I really mean is that could he be a totally new man in the inside without him even realizing it, his "best version" .... does a fetish mask / lock a person's true identity especially when the developing child was "shattered " from an intense trauma ? I don't know but for some reason I feel deep in the inside that I was somehow different before having this foul thing and the "true me" didn't get the chance to develop in the first place....

    Sorry for asking so many questions, but I'm doing this for the sake of easing doubts and confusions in my curious & complicated mind and to proceed with the very challenging trial God has given me in my life.....

    Basically Stress has the following sub-divisions:-
    a) Fear
    b) Anxiety
    c) Upsetting
    d) Anger
    There may be multiple components involved...
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    Again, Thankyou so much Mr.President for your golden feedback, I really appreciate your contribution as a Muslim and Councillor to the forum. Below I've listed some notable points :-

    1) It's been a few months and I've been brainstorming about what you have said already i.e rebuilding and reconstructing the wrongly sensitized pathways. I've been conducting self therapy all by myself, applying Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) and Extinction learning, both which have proved very beneficial. In these I have done a research and compared the emotions and reactions of individuals which are not effected by the fetish and furthermore have thought about very similar fetish-related situations ( which I'm not effected from ) and compared them to my own fetish situation and actually found it surprising that although both situations represent very similar elements but one doesn't mean any thing special to me. This allows me to identify the key differences and analyse the triggering elements in my fetish which causes it to fire. Freud's theory makes so much sense as he said there are mental processes going on in our mind that we are not even aware of (unconscious) . Tell me if you have other strategies that I can implement.

    2) Sometimes I wonder if Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) takes place in the form of a fetish. I've found some info on it which very much matches the context here,
    "In general, most people with fetishes say they've had them since childhood or "for as long as I can remember". But post-traumatic stress can apparently increase the intensity of the fetish."

    "Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) is a condition created by exposure to a psychologically distressing event outside the range of usual human experience, one which would be markedly distressing to almost anyone, and which causes intense fear, terror, and helplessness. The trauma is an assault to the person’s biology and psyche."

    "Because traumatic events are often unable to be processed by the mind and body as other experiences are, due to their overwhelming and shocking nature, they are not integrated or digested. The trauma then takes on a life of its own and, through its continued effects, haunts the survivor and prevents normal life from continuing until the person gets help."

    3) From a biological perspective I think the pre fontal cortex (PFC) is the dominant region of the brain responsible for limbic and stress and logical thinking. That region or other , for the matter, needs to be healed and maybe meditation would contribute to some improvements ? Minimizing the unwanted "Beta" waves in the mind and creating "Alpha" waves by practicing mindfulness meditation / deep relaxation.

    4) Is this true that , the more "intense" the stimulus / sexual experience -> the more dopamine/serotonin shot released -> the more you (body) will feel drained ? i.e more brain receptors and chemicals being burnt out hence making you feel extremely (and more) lethargic and weak (physically) than the average person with the average stimulus.
    I MUST mention that during all these years I've felt empty from the inside, like extremely lethargic, deprived of life. I started to significantly notice it about 5 years ago and it only got worse with the passage of time.

    5) Does the fetish itself affect the inner "genuine" personality of an individual ? For eg. his personal positive traits like sense of humor, charm, cheerfulness, overall personality OR would he be exactly the same person he is today even if he hadn't had such a thing. What I really mean is that could he be a totally new man in the inside without him even realizing it, his "best version" .... does a fetish mask / lock a person's true identity especially when the developing child was "shattered " from an intense trauma ? I don't know but for some reason I feel deep in the inside that I was somehow different before having this foul thing and the "true me" didn't get the chance to develop in the first place....
    -) In a nutshell, you've pretty much achieved as much as you could with self-therapy...which, from a professional perspective, is pretty much restricted to achieving awareness of the issue. Does self-therapy ever work? I highly doubt it, and I'm being courteous when I say that. The reality is, it probably won't ever, especially in the present world where tribulations can change face & modes in real-time. A well-informed individual like yourself is like that rocket which has fuel tanks filled up, but your ignition will only come from working with a therapist. You've decoded a part of your mind, but what you really need is someone to "get into' your mind and clean those corners, if you will.

    -) PTSD is a catalyst, but not the actual fetish. So it can fuel the fetish, but not take the form of the fetish. These are two seperate things. Because, a lot of people with PTSD don't have fetishes or habits as their escape...

    -) As far as the drained energy levels are concerned, firstly, you need to understand that whether the habit changes or not, your body definitely is. Age is something that you can't stop. The way your habit interacts with changes in your overall metabolism is common sense. You won't have the same resilience you did as a kid, against the habit, as a teenager. And so on. Moreover, in terms of the fetish masking the real personality. To a certain extent, yes. It's the addict taking over the real you, but it's not like something that won't recede once you start getting some real therapy.

    My friend, I think what your real problem is the stigma of sitting face-to-face with a therapist, and to a certain extent that's natural. But I really think, since you do so much introspection into yourself (which is wonderful), that isn't it time that you took some concrete steps to get over it once and for all? About the "very challenging trial God has given me" thing....Buddy, God has given you the insight to deal with that habit, not embedded the trial into you. If you've dived into CBT a bit, then wouldn't you agree that the Cognitive Behavioral approach would have you look differently at the problem? Change your mindset, relax, and if you find it stigmatic to work directly with a counselor, Google someone you can work with online via real Skype sessions and confront this problem once and for all.

    I wish you best of luck along those practical lines Ma'Salam.

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    -) In a nutshell, you've pretty much achieved as much as you could with self-therapy...which, from a professional perspective, is pretty much restricted to achieving awareness of the issue. Does self-therapy ever work? I highly doubt it, and I'm being courteous when I say that. The reality is, it probably won't ever, especially in the present world where tribulations can change face & modes in real-time. A well-informed individual like yourself is like that rocket which has fuel tanks filled up, but your ignition will only come from working with a therapist. You've decoded a part of your mind, but what you really need is someone to "get into' your mind and clean those corners, if you will.
    Thankyou for the feedback!
    I am currently living in Northern America. From research and articles that I've come across, they say that therapists only help the individual in "removing guilt / shame" or help in"dealing" with it by coming into terms...(acceptance and moderately controlled). According to most therapists/psychologists (Atleast in the West), from research, fetishes and paraphilias cannot be "removed" as they are too deeply ingrained into the subconscious, what they do is help the individual broaden his stimulus with more variety so that his fetish has a less hold on his life. What do you have to say regarding this ?

    Furthermore, since I'm only 21 yrs old, taking therapy would mean compromising privacy in my family...

    I am extremely thankful that I've come across not only a professional therapist such as you who is willing to help people on forums, but who is also a Muslim / religious, GOD bless you! Feels peace in the mind knowing this fact alone since one is being guided not just from a psychological context but also from his very own religion. Its absolutely beautiful when psychology is combined with religion...
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    Thankyou for the feedback!
    I am currently living in Northern America. From research and articles that I've come across, they say that therapists only help the individual in "removing guilt / shame" or help in"dealing" with it by coming into terms...(acceptance and moderately controlled). According to most therapists/psychologists (Atleast in the West), from research, fetishes and paraphilias cannot be "removed" as they are too deeply ingrained into the subconscious, what they do is help the individual broaden his stimulus with more variety so that his fetish has a less hold on his life. What do you have to say regarding this ?

    Furthermore, since I'm only 21 yrs old, taking therapy would mean compromising privacy in my family...

    I am extremely thankful that I've come across not only a professional therapist such as you who is willing to help people on forums, but who is also a Muslim / religious, GOD bless you! Feels peace in the mind knowing this fact alone since one is being guided not just from a psychological context but also from his very own religion. Its absolutely beautiful when psychology is combined with religion...
    Anytime my friend, mention not. See, the good thing about a well-informed customer like yourself is that you understand that psychology and spirituality are overlapping circles. Why do we feel guilty in our mind about sins, which are spiritual errors? It's because making that spiritual mistake sends a signal to our neuro-circuitry, that something went wrong. And that's one of the ways to gauge that, Yes, there is a God, because someone had to design you the way you are.

    Anyway, how this ties into your scenario is that there's a lot of things that psychologists say, but that's because they unfortunately don't have the element of Islam to put along with it. The Prophet (saw) made it clear that "There is no disease that Allah has created, except that He also has created its treatment," (Al-Bukhari), and that includes the disease of fetish. So, like you pointed out, it's beautiful and wonderful when psychology is combined with religion. For Muslim mental health professionals, their approach to the problem suddenly takes a new level, when it is combined with Prophetic guidance.

    Practically speaking, I don't even get into that whole notion of not being able to be removed, because the whole thing about broadening your stimulus is pretty much another way of saying that you've got to shrink the problem, such that you are bigger than it, and can work around it. And then the Hadith that I pointed out, that the disease of paraphilias is included, when the Prophet (saw) says that every disease has a cure.

    The way you combine both things is....on one side it is true that you have to outgrow the problem by learning to work around it....but at the same time, Allah will grant shifa to the actual problem itself. Hope that clarifies both sides of the equation.

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    Anytime my friend, mention not. See, the good thing about a well-informed customer like yourself is that you understand that psychology and spirituality are overlapping circles. Why do we feel guilty in our mind about sins, which are spiritual errors? It's because making that spiritual mistake sends a signal to our neuro-circuitry, that something went wrong. And that's one of the ways to gauge that, Yes, there is a God, because someone had to design you the way you are.

    Anyway, how this ties into your scenario is that there's a lot of things that psychologists say, but that's because they unfortunately don't have the element of Islam to put along with it. The Prophet (saw) made it clear that "There is no disease that Allah has created, except that He also has created its treatment," (Al-Bukhari), and that includes the disease of fetish. So, like you pointed out, it's beautiful and wonderful when psychology is combined with religion. For Muslim mental health professionals, their approach to the problem suddenly takes a new level, when it is combined with Prophetic guidance.

    Practically speaking, I don't even get into that whole notion of not being able to be removed, because the whole thing about broadening your stimulus is pretty much another way of saying that you've got to shrink the problem, such that you are bigger than it, and can work around it. And then the Hadith that I pointed out, that the disease of paraphilias is included, when the Prophet (saw) says that every disease has a cure.

    The way you combine both things is....on one side it is true that you have to outgrow the problem by learning to work around it....but at the same time, Allah will grant shifa to the actual problem itself. Hope that clarifies both sides of the equation.
    So, how should I find the right therapist who DOES believe about its removal and therefore implements treatment accordingly here in the West, perhaps you have any sources ?

    AND
    how should I handle the privacy problem of visiting a therapist, in my family.

    Lastly, Could shaitan be, in any way, involved for fetishes to arise in the first place or is it purely based on science and psychology? (Just Curious since many of them out there are very disturbing). Can treatment from religious peers be effective to any extent?

    Thanks
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    As far as the privacy is concerned, I personally know a lot of people who are taking counseling online, and they've found interesting ways to do so via Skype on their tablets, or phones, or some other way. I think a good starting point for finding out the right Muslim therapist online is to email the psychologist at the Islamic Online University in Qatar (they have a proper counseling services section), they would be able to route you better along these lines, primarily because they themselves are well-embedded in the online method of counseling.

    As for the other question, its common sense, anything evil eventually finds Shaitan at the the end of the tunnel. But don't worry too much about that question. Regardless of where the problem lies, the therapy is a pretty straightforward thing, and that's what needs your focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.President View Post
    As far as the privacy is concerned, I personally know a lot of people who are taking counseling online, and they've found interesting ways to do so via Skype on their tablets, or phones, or some other way. I think a good starting point for finding out the right Muslim therapist online is to email the psychologist at the Islamic Online University in Qatar (they have a proper counseling services section), they would be able to route you better along these lines, primarily because they themselves are well-embedded in the online method of counseling.
    Hmmm, But didn't you say that online counselling will not work considering the period of the trauma residing.
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    My friend, since you seem to have issues with in-house counselling as that would inadvertently let your family know about your issue, then we've got to go with what we have right? If you could muster up the courage to let your family know and take the real method of counselling on-board, I don't think we'd have any issues. See, our job is not to force you to do anything, it's really about working with what you give us to work with. Sort that problem out on your end and Insha'Allah you can get on the fast-track to therapy, instead of online. Do the math yourself: Is it better to keep going on like this....or is it better to swallow the bitter pill of confronting it and living a new life? Plus, you really don't have to let everyone in your family know, right? Perhaps your mother or father, and the rest of the them can be told something else to cover up, the Shariah allows for that type of stuff in such scenarios.

    Start doing a lot of contemplation.....thoughts are the first stair to courage. Insha'Allah.

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    My friend, since you seem to have issues with in-house counselling as that would inadvertently let your family know about your issue, then we've got to go with what we have right? If you could muster up the courage to let your family know and take the real method of counselling on-board, I don't think we'd have any issues. See, our job is not to force you to do anything, it's really about working with what you give us to work with. Sort that problem out on your end and Insha'Allah you can get on the fast-track to therapy, instead of online. Do the math yourself: Is it better to keep going on like this....or is it better to swallow the bitter pill of confronting it and living a new life? Plus, you really don't have to let everyone in your family know, right? Perhaps your mother or father, and the rest of the them can be told something else to cover up, the Shariah allows for that type of stuff in such scenarios.

    Start doing a lot of contemplation.....thoughts are the first stair to courage. Insha'Allah.
    I think the best approach would be to go for the real therapy instead of the online, since therapy over the web feels very limited, restricted and probably not as effective. I will also have a 4 months vacation within a few months and I'm favoring to give it a shot once and for all. But honestly speaking, I have no idea how to find the right therapist. I mean the therapist would need to have:-
    a) a LOT of practical experience when it comes to dealing with this kind of thing , not just some ordinary psychologist who only does advise counselling. My issue is not a "walk in the park" considering it's residing span period of time and especially it's top notch intensity / impactness.
    b) who actually believes one could be cured from it and not giving remedies for guilt / shame removal for the individual to moderately cope with the fetish and find acceptance in it. (called Positive psychology which is becoming the new trend here in West)
    c) who should also be religious, a Muslim maybe ?

    If its not too much to ask, perhaps you could help me find me one through source or research since you are practically experienced in this field. I live in Canada btw. I'll try my best in seeking out the appropriate therapist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UsiGX View Post
    I think the best approach would be to go for the real therapy instead of the online, since therapy over the web feels very limited, restricted and probably not as effective. I will also have a 4 months vacation within a few months and I'm favoring to give it a shot once and for all. But honestly speaking, I have no idea how to find the right therapist. I mean the therapist would need to have:-
    a) a LOT of practical experience when it comes to dealing with this kind of thing , not just some ordinary psychologist who only does advise counselling. My issue is not a "walk in the park" considering it's residing span period of time and especially it's top notch intensity / impactness.
    b) who actually believes one could be cured from it and not giving remedies for guilt / shame removal for the individual to moderately cope with the fetish and find acceptance in it. (called Positive psychology which is becoming the new trend here in West)
    c) who should also be religious, a Muslim maybe ?

    If its not too much to ask, perhaps you could help me find me one through source or research since you are practically experienced in this field. I live in Canada btw. I'll try my best in seeking out the appropriate therapist.
    Quote Originally Posted by UsiGX View Post
    I think the best approach would be to go for the real therapy instead of the online, since therapy over the web feels very limited, restricted and probably not as effective. I will also have a 4 months vacation within a few months and I'm favoring to give it a shot once and for all. But honestly speaking, I have no idea how to find the right therapist. I mean the therapist would need to have:-
    a) a LOT of practical experience when it comes to dealing with this kind of thing , not just some ordinary psychologist who only does advise counselling. My issue is not a "walk in the park" considering it's residing span period of time and especially it's top notch intensity / impactness.
    b) who actually believes one could be cured from it and not giving remedies for guilt / shame removal for the individual to moderately cope with the fetish and find acceptance in it. (called Positive psychology which is becoming the new trend here in West)
    c) who should also be religious, a Muslim maybe ?

    If its not too much to ask, perhaps you could help me find me one through source or research since you are practically experienced in this field. I live in Canada btw. I'll try my best in seeking out the appropriate therapist.
    Now that you're ready for the real thing, it's alot easier to guide you I'm going to lay out some broader indicators of what a therapist, given your case, should have experience in, and then you can scan your region for those whose focus area revolves covers these areas:

    - Paraphilia/Fetish/Exhibitionism
    - Sexual Compulsivity & Trauma
    - Shame & Low Self-Esteem

    More importantly, you need to look for someone who can take it from the angle of beginning from childhood, and his professional profile includes the topic of how childhood traumas can be triggered in adult life. That's that, but let's now talk about the real important things. Look, therapy itself is not as straight forward as "give it a shot once and for all." It's alot more than that. You are re-arranging your thought processes that have been ingrained for a long long time. Consequently, you need to be prepared that initially it might be a bit challenging, but as soon as that initial phase is over, it's like a smooth ride. At the same time, depending on your mental strength, it could not be challenging at all. Be prepared, 4-5 months is simply like laying the foundation, the real therapy is more like 2-3 years. You have to stick around. Moreover, relapses can happen, and you or anyone else can be vulnerable to a relapse after beginning therapy. But if you are working with a professional, then it's alot easier to avoid them, but yes, they are a reality. Don't ever lose hope, it's pretty foolish to do so. It's pretty to get through it all, and the ups and downs are part of everything in life. Just be mature enough to realize that.

    You will have to do your homework and be patient about finding the right thera'pist. If you can find a Muslim, well and good, but it's not imperative. A lot of this therapy is general stuff that has more to do with psychology than your spirit. Given what you've told so far, the best approach for you will be Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Find a sex addiction therapist with a CBT approach.

    What I would advise is to start looking therapists up on the internet, around your area, and visit their websites, the "Services" or "About Us" sections and read up on their specializations or focus areas and narrow down the ones that suit your outlook. You really will have to take your parents on board in this thing.

    But there's one thing I can bet my life on.....that if you go according to the plan, what you will see, the new you, after the initial 5-6 months, will be nothing short of a miracle. Insha'Allah. I pray that Allah gives you the strength to move on and take this step towards a brand new future. Ameen.

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    Now that you're ready for the real thing, it's alot easier to guide you I'm going to lay out some broader indicators of what a therapist, given your case, should have experience in, and then you can scan your region for those whose focus area revolves covers these areas:

    - Paraphilia/Fetish/Exhibitionism
    - Sexual Compulsivity & Trauma
    - Shame & Low Self-Esteem

    More importantly, you need to look for someone who can take it from the angle of beginning from childhood, and his professional profile includes the topic of how childhood traumas can be triggered in adult life. That's that, but let's now talk about the real important things. Look, therapy itself is not as straight forward as "give it a shot once and for all." It's alot more than that. You are re-arranging your thought processes that have been ingrained for a long long time. Consequently, you need to be prepared that initially it might be a bit challenging, but as soon as that initial phase is over, it's like a smooth ride. At the same time, depending on your mental strength, it could not be challenging at all. Be prepared, 4-5 months is simply like laying the foundation, the real therapy is more like 2-3 years. You have to stick around. Moreover, relapses can happen, and you or anyone else can be vulnerable to a relapse after beginning therapy. But if you are working with a professional, then it's alot easier to avoid them, but yes, they are a reality. Don't ever lose hope, it's pretty foolish to do so. It's pretty to get through it all, and the ups and downs are part of everything in life. Just be mature enough to realize that.

    You will have to do your homework and be patient about finding the right thera'pist. If you can find a Muslim, well and good, but it's not imperative. A lot of this therapy is general stuff that has more to do with psychology than your spirit. Given what you've told so far, the best approach for you will be Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Find a sex addiction therapist with a CBT approach.

    What I would advise is to start looking therapists up on the internet, around your area, and visit their websites, the "Services" or "About Us" sections and read up on their specializations or focus areas and narrow down the ones that suit your outlook. You really will have to take your parents on board in this thing.

    But there's one thing I can bet my life on.....that if you go according to the plan, what you will see, the new you, after the initial 5-6 months, will be nothing short of a miracle. Insha'Allah. I pray that Allah gives you the strength to move on and take this step towards a brand new future. Ameen.
    Such motivation from you Sir! I had some time back come across websites which offered "primal Pain release" but they were mostly situated in USA. A combination of CBT and Primal Pain Release seems a superior combination. To be honest, I did a few research on finding therapists a couple months ago but disregarded it after seeing many websites stating that they are too deep ingrained and can't be eradicated and moreover knowing that it would ultimately also cost my privacy.

    Not to mention, during my struggle from past months, to potentially avoid relapses, I had created a text file saved directly on my computer in which I had written many sorts of inspiring and emotional quotes to act as counter triggers. They have proved to be extremely effective. For eg, when we feel guilty, we feel extremely sad and sometimes even break into tears. This could be put up as "Realize the value of your griefs and sorrow" which immediately cleanses and acts as a powerful barrier which overcomes and potentially avoids relapse.

    About the giving up thing, yes its horrible. About 1.5 yrs ago, I had given up after perpetual failures and depression BUT a few time later I suddenly felt something, a sharp guilt deep inside when I adventured back into my timeline of early childhood; i.e the innocence / the real bliss and enjoyment of life/ the good old times, which made me burst into tears after a time I couldn't remember. That day changed my life, it was as if God wanted to communicate with me, wanted to make me aware of something deep similar to like someone who had been brainwashed and a miracle gives him a glimpse of his true identity, a wake up call. From that day, "giving up" was no more an option and struggle got inevitable. That was when I started doing exensive research, encoding and updating text files onto my computer, started brainstorming by accessing the unconscious and subconscious part of my mind , started to deal with the self, the psyche as much possible. Each defeat got me right back on my feet stronger and more learned than before And here I'm now feeling 300% better. So giving up, is certainly not in my book.

    So, I guess CBT+PPR would be he best options . O don't want to leave PPR option out.
    I would like you to take a look at this : http://primalrelease.com/how-pr-works

    Take Care
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    Wa'Salam,

    I don't have any forays into "primal release" and won't be able to give a professional opinion as such. Alternatively, you can do Istikhara for what works best, in addition to CBT, or if CBT alone works best for you. You'll also have to gauge the proximity, the options available in the area near to you.

    JazakAllah Khair

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    salam alaykum Brother,

    thank you for the detailed advice on what addiction is. my problem is a bit different than a regular addict, and I would like your guidance on that. In terms of my habit, i go through these phases of ups and downs. some days im completely in control and other days im not. but the worse days are like university exams. whenever i get pressure through exams or other events that are coming up either in university or other places where i volunteer and stuff, that's when i find myself giving in more and more. could you advise on how to break these ups and downs please?

    thanks in advance, and may Allah bless you for your time given.

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    See you mr president. You are a great contribution
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    I quit to be a QUITTER!

 

 

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