sadly, and i hate removing and closing threads, because i believe muslims should be able to express their thoughts and ideas in an inteligent manner

but now i see we have peope from other forums coming in, and instead of updating the thread, they add to the confusion

so here goes

all of you who refused to submit to the rules of that thread are hereby put on notice

ONE MORE OFF TOPIIC POST anywhere on this forum, you will be permanently banned by me

not because we disagree, not because i dont like your position, not because you have been here for a long time

but because you are so short sighted that you cannot even have a rational discussion wiithout messing up a thread