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    Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    Abū Bakr Aṣ-Ṣiddīq once entered a Jewish place of study and found a group of Jews gathered around one of their men named Finḥāṣ, who was one of their scholars and their Rabbis. Abū Bakr said to Finḥāṣ: "Woe to you O Finḥāṣ, fear Allah and embrace Islam, for by Allah you know that Muḥammad is the Messenger of Allah who has brought the truth to you from Allah. He is mentioned in your Torah."

    Finḥāṣ responded: “What do we need from a poor God? Verily He is poor unto us. We do not ask Him to loan us anything yet He asks from us. Verily we are rich compared to Him, and He is not rich unto us. If He were rich compared to us then He would not ask us to lend Him our wealth."

    Abū Bakr became angry and punched the face of Finḥāṣ with a mighty blow. He then said to him: "By Him in whose Hand is my soul, if it were not for the treaty between us, O enemy of Allah, I would have killed you."

    Finḥāṣ went to the Messenger of Allah and said: "O Muḥammad! Look at what your companion has done to me."

    The Messenger of Allah ﷺ asked Abū Bakr: "What has driven you to do what you did?"

    He said: "O Messenger of Allah ﷺ, this enemy of Allah has said something very serious. He claimed that Allah is poor and they are rich. When he said that I became angry for the sake of Allah and hit his face."

    Finḥāṣ denied it and said "I did not say that." And so Allah revealed the verse responding to the lie of Finḥāṣ and confirming the words of Abū Bakr:

    لَّقَدْ سَمِعَ اللَّهُ قَوْلَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ فَقِيرٌ وَنَحْنُ أَغْنِيَاءُ ۘ سَنَكْتُبُ مَا قَالُوا وَقَتْلَهُمُ الْأَنبِيَاءَ بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ وَنَقُولُ ذُوقُوا عَذَابَ الْحَرِيقِ

    Indeed, Allah has heard the statement of those (Jews) who said: "Verily, Allah is poor and we are rich!" We shall record what they have said as well as their unjust killing of the Prophets, and We shall say: "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire." [3:181]

    (Tafsīr Ibn Kathīr 434)

    Some points to ponder upon - Abū Bakr was a strong and mighty man, whoever wishes to portray him as being weak has lied against him. Verily he was always ready to stand up against the enemies of Allah and to fight them. Indeed he was a noble man who did not tolerate disbelief and strove hard to establish the Religion of Allah.

    - The Messenger of Allah ﷺ did not believe the words of Finḥāṣ as he did not rebuke Abū Bakr despite Finḥāṣ denying having said those words. Rather he waited for divine revelation to prove that Abū Bakr was the honest one of the two.

    - The Messenger of Allah ﷺ did not rebuke Abū Bakr for punching the enemy of Allah as what Finḥāṣ had said was utter disbelief and cannot be tolerated by a believer. This shows that whilst we must call the people to Islam, it does not mean that we let them abuse us or insult our Religion.
    "...So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing." Surat Al-Baqarah: 256

    "And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah..." Surat Al-'Anfāl: 39

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    The apostates were mocking Abu Bakr's name calling him Abu Faseel or something which means father of the weak camel, and Adi ibn Hatim warned them they'd soon find out that he is the Father of the mighty stallion ( whatever that is in Arabic ) and of course he taught them a very painful lesson, which goes to show, he may have been soft hearted, but that doesn't mean 1 is weak or someone that is a pushover

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    Quote Originally Posted by Islam3333 View Post
    Abū Bakr Aṣ-Ṣiddīq once entered a Jewish place of study and found a group of Jews gathered around one of their men named Finḥāṣ, who was one of their scholars and their Rabbis. Abū Bakr said to Finḥāṣ: "Woe to you O Finḥāṣ, fear Allah and embrace Islam, for by Allah you know that Muḥammad is the Messenger of Allah who has brought the truth to you from Allah. He is mentioned in your Torah."

    Finḥāṣ responded: “What do we need from a poor God? Verily He is poor unto us. We do not ask Him to loan us anything yet He asks from us. Verily we are rich compared to Him, and He is not rich unto us. If He were rich compared to us then He would not ask us to lend Him our wealth."

    Abū Bakr became angry and punched the face of Finḥāṣ with a mighty blow. He then said to him: "By Him in whose Hand is my soul, if it were not for the treaty between us, O enemy of Allah, I would have killed you."

    Finḥāṣ went to the Messenger of Allah and said: "O Muḥammad! Look at what your companion has done to me."

    The Messenger of Allah ﷺ asked Abū Bakr: "What has driven you to do what you did?"

    He said: "O Messenger of Allah ﷺ, this enemy of Allah has said something very serious. He claimed that Allah is poor and they are rich. When he said that I became angry for the sake of Allah and hit his face."

    Finḥāṣ denied it and said "I did not say that." And so Allah revealed the verse responding to the lie of Finḥāṣ and confirming the words of Abū Bakr:

    لَّقَدْ سَمِعَ اللَّهُ قَوْلَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ فَقِيرٌ وَنَحْنُ أَغْنِيَاءُ ۘ سَنَكْتُبُ مَا قَالُوا وَقَتْلَهُمُ الْأَنبِيَاءَ بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ وَنَقُولُ ذُوقُوا عَذَابَ الْحَرِيقِ

    Indeed, Allah has heard the statement of those (Jews) who said: "Verily, Allah is poor and we are rich!" We shall record what they have said as well as their unjust killing of the Prophets, and We shall say: "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire." [3:181]

    (Tafsīr Ibn Kathīr 434)

    Some points to ponder upon - Abū Bakr was a strong and mighty man, whoever wishes to portray him as being weak has lied against him. Verily he was always ready to stand up against the enemies of Allah and to fight them. Indeed he was a noble man who did not tolerate disbelief and strove hard to establish the Religion of Allah.

    - The Messenger of Allah ﷺ did not believe the words of Finḥāṣ as he did not rebuke Abū Bakr despite Finḥāṣ denying having said those words. Rather he waited for divine revelation to prove that Abū Bakr was the honest one of the two.

    - The Messenger of Allah ﷺ did not rebuke Abū Bakr for punching the enemy of Allah as what Finḥāṣ had said was utter disbelief and cannot be tolerated by a believer. This shows that whilst we must call the people to Islam, it does not mean that we let them abuse us or insult our Religion.
    Abu Bakr as Siddiq was a very slim and gentle person generally but make no mistake He was a warrior

    Umar Farooq was the strong and to the point person. However even Umar said that during the zakat issue after the death of the Prophet saw Abu Bakr grabbed and shook him so hard his bones shook. Remember this was Umar who was a wrestler and a big man

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    He grabbed Umar Radhi-yallaahu 'anhu by the beard if i recall correctly....and he was basically the only sahabi that could ever do such a thing or rebuke him in the manner he did......

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    And what relevance does that have exactly to anything or his virtues? Its not like they kept a kill count of the number they killed and who they were *rolleyes*

    Though if your implying the same thing as that shaytan Yasir Al Habib May Allah curse him for lying against the sahaba - you are implying Abu Bakr [May Allah be pleased with him ] was a coward who never actually killed anyone in battle.

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    I'm not sure what you are referring to regarding yasir habib. I don't ever listen to him so don't know exactly what he says nor do I care. All I am saying is that there is no evidence to suggest he was "mighty", "warrior" etc. There is nothing of note that he ever did in any battle to suggest he was mighty etc, so you cannot just take one incident where he punched a guy in the nose as evidence for being mighty.

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    Oh and him being the bodyguard of the Prophet on Badr, and with him on Uhud means nothing does it? Him being beaten to within an Inch of his life in Mecca defending the Prophet from being attacked isn't mighty? He lead many expeditions, he was in all the armies and battles the Prophet :saw; participated in - and we all know how he taught the apostates that turned after the death of the Prophet a very painful lesson now don't we?

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    Really? Can you provide me with some references to the fact that he was a bodyguard etc at those battles? Would be interesting to read.
    Also, references for which expeditions he led and him being beaten would be nice. All these things I've never heard of before that's why I'm asking.

    Well I know about the ridda wars. In my opinion, it doesn't paint a good picture of him as there were some interesting things that took place during that time but I don't want to get into that.

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    Quote Originally Posted by brunlea View Post
    Really? Can you provide me with some references to the fact that he was a bodyguard etc at those battles? Would be interesting to read.
    Also, references for which expeditions he led and him being beaten would be nice. All these things I've never heard of before that's why I'm asking.

    Well I know about the ridda wars. In my opinion, it doesn't paint a good picture of him as there were some interesting things that took place during that time but I don't want to get into that.
    http://www.kalamullah.com/abu-bakr.html

    Chapter 2, 3 and 4 have what you want

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikha’eel View Post
    http://www.kalamullah.com/abu-bakr.html

    Chapter 2, 3 and 4 have what you want
    Bloody hell. You have given me a whole book to read. I have not got the time to read all that. Why not instead give me authentic proof here. Just paste the relevant bits here. You will get rewarded for extolling his virtues so it's all good yeah?

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    Quote Originally Posted by brunlea View Post
    Bloody hell. You have given me a whole book to read. I have not got the time to read all that. Why not instead give me authentic proof here. Just paste the relevant bits here. You will get rewarded for extolling his virtues so it's all good yeah?

    I said chapter 2,3 and 4. You can glance over it. And I'm not able to copy and paste the text from the book for some reason.....so just read it when u get the time, its not that much......

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

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    One of my favorites is, "Suck al-Lats clit!!!!"

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

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    One of my favorites is, "Suck al-Lats clit!!!!"
    Edit: If any mod censors me for this, they are exposing their ignorance, because Abu Bakr RA did indeed tell this to a kaffir. MUAHAHAHAHAHA

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa Mahmud View Post
    Edit: If any mod censors me for this, they are exposing their ignorance, because Abu Bakr RA did indeed tell this to a kaffir. MUAHAHAHAHAHA
    Did he not get reprimanded by the Prophet for saying it ?
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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    i pray this filthy shia would stop slandering Hazrat Abu Bakr, may his fingers be broken and tongue cut out
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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    You can go on and on all you want, but as always - you shia have to resort to lying and twisting narrations in order to make them mean what you want them to. Nothing you quote can be trusted. You shia come here and quote things from Bukhari/Muslim and manipulate them, do you really think anyone trusts a single reference that you quote?

    I gave you a chance to read that book with references but in typical shia fashion, you ignored it and now try using our own sources to claim Abu Bakr was a coward. My statement about you was right the first time - you are no different to that shia dajjaal Yasir Al Habib May Allah curse him. Let me guess, do you also say Aisha and Hafsah plotted to kill the Prophet ???

    It doesn't take much for shia to show their true nature when they come here.

    And fyi moron. It was Abu Bakr, Umar, Talha, Abu Ubayda and a few others that were with the Prophet on Uhud after the rumours spread he was killed, it was they who helped him up the Mountain where they were hiding

    The Prophet wanted the view of the Ansaar not of Abu Bakr or Umar when he was asking for their opinions - because at that point they had only made an oath to defend him from the Quraysh, nothing about offensive battles had come into the agreement - hence he ignored them.

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    Wow this mentally deficient rafidhi's powers of deduction are truly frightening.

    Because the prophet chose not to take the advice of Abu bakr and umar this meant they had no iman and were cowards. Besides the fact that his conclusion doesn't logically follow, let's assume he is correct. Why then did rasulullah not make it known the truth about Abu bakr and umar? Why did he keep them close by his side till his death? Do these rafidhah's think he was too scared or wanted this ummah to be misguided naudhubillah?

    And this coming from the same people who lie and believe abu bakr and umar misappropriated the property of fatimah and umar attacked her while Ali stood idly by during all these incidents.

    There's too many flaws in this evil rafidhi narrative of Islam.


    Any sane individual would laugh at this stupid rafidhi.
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    Re: Abu Bakr As-Siddiq and the Jewish Rabbi

    And for the record you lying piece of garbage. There are very few narrations available from during those 2-3 years of that seige, so Just because Abu Bakr or Umar are not mentioned doesn't mean anything, neither are most of the other prominent sahaba who embraced Islam early on. So we know little of what happened during that time. Of course being intellectually bankrupt and liars that you shia are, you'll twist every thing to make it an attack on them


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