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    Angry Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    This is the Fatwa of the Muftis of Abu Dhabi concerning the Barelvi aka Razakhani sect,whose founder was the British poodle Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi.http://ia600403.us.archive.org/10/it...n_Beralwis.pdf The Muftis gave the Fatwa that the followers of Barelvi aka Razakhani sect are out of the fold of Islam because of their beliefs of Kufr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordova View Post
    This is the Fatwa of the Muftis of Abu Dhabi concerning the Barelvi aka Razakhani sect,whose founder was the British poodle Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi.http://ia600403.us.archive.org/10/it...n_Beralwis.pdf The Muftis gave the Fatwa that the followers of Barelvi aka Razakhani sect are out of the fold of Islam because of their beliefs of Kufr.
    How you can pass blanket takfeer on millions of Muslims like this is beyond me.

    Deviant, Bidah and ignorance elements yes, but Kafir ? You need strong evidence and proof.
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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by yassin' View Post
    How you can pass blanket takfeer on millions of Muslims like this is beyond me.

    Deviant, Bidah and ignorance elements yes, but Kafir ? You need strong evidence and proof.
    this is the game of molvis. After all only molvies are responsible for division of ummah in sects. It's easy for them to declare one another Kafir n common ppl follow their molvi blindly
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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by arfatzafar View Post
    this is the game of molvis. After all only molvies are responsible for division of ummah in sects. It's easy for them to declare one another Kafir n common ppl follow their molvi blindly
    Watch your words.Who made efforts to divide Indian Muslims into two groups -Barelvi and Deobandi? It was the British poodle Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi kaafir.The Muftis of Abu Dhabi asked the Imam of Ahlus Sunnah,Hujjatullah fil ard Hadrat Maulana Muhammad Sarfaraz Khan Safdar(rah) about the Barelvi beliefs,so he wrote some of them and sent to the Muftis.The Muftis then gave the Fatwa.To be on the moderate path,only those Barelvis will be out of the fold of Islam who hold the beliefs of Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi,Naeemuddin Moradabadi,Amjad Ali Azamgarhi kuffaar,this is the research of Allama Mufti Zarwali Khan(db).Don't you know that Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi kaafir labelled the Akabir of Deoband kaafir resorting to the forgery tactics of Jews? Tablighi Jamat's virus has stripped you of ghairah of Deen.May Allah give you ghairah.

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by yassin' View Post
    How you can pass blanket takfeer on millions of Muslims like this is beyond me.

    Deviant, Bidah and ignorance elements yes, but Kafir ? You need strong evidence and proof.
    To be on the moderate path,only those Barelvis are Kafir who hold the beliefs of Kufr,this is the research of our senior Deobandi scholars.

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    I think Mufti Zar Wali Khan didnt do takfeer of every single person who may be labelled Barelvi, but he said those who have certain beliefs which he mentioned.
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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    @Uthman Ibn Afan.Yea,Mufti Zarwali Khan(db) actually described a rule that whoever holds the beliefs of Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi,Naeemuddin Moradabadi,Amjad Ali Azamgarhi,he is kaafir,not all Barelvis/Razakhanis.

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Brillo pads again...
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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by arfatzafar View Post
    this is the game of molvis. After all only molvies are responsible for division of ummah in sects. It's easy for them to declare one another Kafir n common ppl follow their molvi blindly
    honestly you are right, to a degree

    but it was Maulana Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi that made takfeer upon the elders of Deoband, so you cannot expect them not to respond ... especially with the aqeedah he had and the aqeedah that they preach

    Barelvis are greater takfeeris than any group in South Asia, from what I've witnessed. You won't see Ahle Hadees or Deobandi ulema come out with extreme takfeer like the Barelvi ulema.

    Here is a Barelvi alim, Irfan Mashadi, making takfeer upon Deobandis, Wahhabis, and Shi'a

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKERh2yfu4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax7MSoxD4MI&t=7m35s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFNVY3vkC40

    Barelvis are more extreme than these other sects ... they even refuse to pray behind the Imams of Masjid al Haram and Masjid Nabawi, because they are Wahhabi.

    Here are those supposed statements of Maulana Ahmad Raza Khan

    http://web.archive.org/web/200211281...af.tripod.com/

    "He who doubts about the unbelief of the Deobandi's is also an unbeliever."
    (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Fatawa Ridwiyya, 6/82)

    "If anyone has the same beliefs as the Deobandi's have, he is also an unbeliever."
    (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Fatawa Ridwiyya, 6/43)

    "If anyone prays behind anyone of the Deobandi's, he is also not a Muslim."
    (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Fatawa Ridwiyya, 6/77)

    "Any person who doubts the kufr of these people (Deobandis) will themselves become kaafirs!" (See the preface to Ahmad Raza Khan's Tamheed-e-Iman, p. v, by the South African Barelvi who called himself the "Khadim-e-Raza: servant of Rida Khan", Mohammed Bana, dated 19/10/87)

    "Any person who would not call them (Deobandis) disbelievers or would maintain friendship with them, or would take into consideration their positions as teachers or relatives or friends will also definitely become one of them. He is a disbeliever like them. On the Day of Judgement, he will also be tied with them in the same rope. Whatever lame excuses and fraudulent arguments they give here are invalid and false."
    (Ahmad Rida Khan in his Tamheed-e-Iman)

    "If anyone admires Darul Ulum Deoband, or does not believe in the corruption of the Deobandi's and does not scorn them, then this is sufficient to make a judgement for him to be a Non-Muslim!"
    (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Fatawa Ridwiyya, 6/43)

    "If there is a gathering of Hindu's, Christian's, Qadiyani's and Deobandi's, the Deobandi's alone should be rejected, for they have come out of the fold of Islam and defected from it. Agreement with the unbelievers is far better than the agreement with the apostates!!"
    (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Malfuzat pp. 325-6)

    "The works of the Deobandi's are more unclean than the various works of the Hindu's. The doubt about the heresy of Ashraf Ali Deobandi and suspicion about his punishment is also unbelief. To cleanse the impurity with the papers of the works produced by the Deobandi's is not lawful, not because of the respect for their books, but because of the reverence of the letters with which they have been written."
    (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Fatawa Ridwiyya, 2/136)

    "The Wahhabi's are more contemptuous than Iblis, indeed more mischievous and more straying than he, for the Shaytan does not tell a lie, but they tell a lie!!"
    (Ahmad Raza Khan in his Ahkam-e-Shariat (p. 112)
    It would be appreciated if any person could verify these quotes ... I know his fatwa of kufr and takfeer were recorded in Hussam al Haramain along with the ulema of Makkah and Medina supporting him.
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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    its not sectarian matter brothers.grow up and read some quran and sunnah.!
    anyone (belonging to any sect) who worships graves ,does sajida to them ,asks prayers from dead saints,equates dead saints powers with Allah and negates jihad ,and makes innovations in islam ,is not a muslim! their should be no doubt regarding this in muslims minds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordova View Post
    Watch your words.Who made efforts to divide Indian Muslims into two groups -Barelvi and Deobandi? It was the British poodle Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi kaafir.The Muftis of Abu Dhabi asked the Imam of Ahlus Sunnah,Hujjatullah fil ard Hadrat Maulana Muhammad Sarfaraz Khan Safdar(rah) about the Barelvi beliefs,so he wrote some of them and sent to the Muftis.The Muftis then gave the Fatwa.To be on the moderate path,only those Barelvis will be out of the fold of Islam who hold the beliefs of Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi,Naeemuddin Moradabadi,Amjad Ali Azamgarhi kuffaar,this is the research of Allama Mufti Zarwali Khan(db).Don't you know that Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi kaafir labelled the Akabir of Deoband kaafir resorting to the forgery tactics of Jews? Tablighi Jamat's virus has stripped you of ghairah of Deen.May Allah give you ghairah.

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Talwaar View Post
    honestly you are right, to a degree

    but it was Maulana Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi that made takfeer upon the elders of Deoband, so you cannot expect them not to respond ... especially with the aqeedah he had and the aqeedah that they preach

    Barelvis are greater takfeeris than any group in South Asia, from what I've witnessed. You won't see Ahle Hadees or Deobandi ulema come out with extreme takfeer like the Barelvi ulema.

    Here is a Barelvi alim, Irfan Mashadi, making takfeer upon Deobandis, Wahhabis, and Shi'a

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKERh2yfu4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax7MSoxD4MI&t=7m35s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFNVY3vkC40

    Barelvis are more extreme than these other sects ... they even refuse to pray behind the Imams of Masjid al Haram and Masjid Nabawi, because they are Wahhabi.

    Here are those supposed statements of Maulana Ahmad Raza Khan

    http://web.archive.org/web/200211281...af.tripod.com/



    It would be appreciated if any person could verify these quotes ... I know his fatwa of kufr and takfeer were recorded in Hussam al Haramain along with the ulema of Makkah and Medina supporting him.
    I know all wrong sects very closely.
    When a Muslim call his brother 'kafir' then either of two will be cursed as kaffir.
    So keep away from it.
    ''lana a'maluna walakum amalukum''
    your free to call any Muslim- kaffir, mushrik, bid'ati or deviant but you'll have to bear this burden on the judgement until proven by you.
    Darul uloom Deoband never issued the fatwa of their takfeer. *You= All of us
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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    You Tablighi is bereft of Ilm,call Qadianis,Munkireen of Hadith also Muslim,because they also offer Salah,face Qiblah,consume our Dhabihah!!

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by yassin' View Post
    How you can pass blanket takfeer on millions of Muslims like this is beyond me.

    Deviant, Bidah and ignorance elements yes, but Kafir ? You need strong evidence and proof.
    This is the state of the Ummah.


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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by blanchoir View Post
    This is the state of the Ummah.
    This is nothing new ... Barelvis and Wahhabi-Salafis are most prone to takfeer though ... both are intolerant and at the opposite end of the spectrum

    Don't get into a discussion of aqeedah with them or they will pump out fatwaes

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordova View Post
    You Tablighi is bereft of Ilm,call Qadianis,Munkireen of Hadith also Muslim,because they also offer Salah,face Qiblah,consume our Dhabihah!!
    Alas! You attack on RasulAllah s.a.w's hadis. Dont you've sound mind at all?
    I follow the fatwa of Darul Uloom Deoband n
    TJ is the integral part whereof. I dont see individuals

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    Quote Originally Posted by arfatzafar View Post
    Alas! You attack on RasulAllah s.a.w's hadis. Dont you've sound mind at all?
    I follow the fatwa of Darul Uloom Deoband n
    TJ is the integral part whereof. I dont see individuals
    You attack the Shariah,whose basis is Qur'an,Hadith,Ijma and Qiyas of mujtahid! Read Shaikhul Hadith Maulana Noorul Huda(db)'s book 'Ahle Haq aur Batil firqon ka meyar e takfeer'.If Darul Uloom Deoband didn't give fatwa about something,it doesn't mean that Deoband agrees with it.Hadrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi(rah)'s Khalifah Maulana Murtaza Hasan Chandpuri(rah) would call Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi kaafir.Tabligh is a part of Deobandi Maslak,but no one can force others to do Dawah and Tabligh the same way as the fools and deviants of today's Tablighi Jamat are doing.

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordova View Post
    You attack the Shariah,whose basis is Qur'an,Hadith,Ijma and Qiyas of mujtahid! Read Shaikhul Hadith Maulana Noorul Huda(db)'s book 'Ahle Haq aur Batil firqon ka meyar e takfeer'.If Darul Uloom Deoband didn't give fatwa about something,it doesn't mean that Deoband agrees with it.Hadrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi(rah)'s Khalifah Maulana Murtaza Hasan Chandpuri(rah) would call Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi kaafir.Tabligh is a part of Deobandi Maslak,but no one can force others to do Dawah and Tabligh the same way as the fools and deviants of today's Tablighi Jamat are doing.
    1: No, your wrong
    2: I dont follow a particular alim like you e.g. Hz Molana Safdar sb rh.a was a great alim but you consider him Hujjatullah fil arz. This tendency is a perspicuous proof of blind following of ulma ikram.
    3: I believe in Quran n sunnah. you're following a few ulma n I follow the school of thought.
    4: Beware! Psycopathy n sociopathy are disease.
    5: I've not heard these names.
    6: Are you from Pakistan?
    If yes, then this propensity of venting grudge n animosity is not surprising.
    7: I belong to the birth place of Barelviyat's real founder (Molvi Fazlerasul rh.a) but here all the ppl live peacefully. We dont have fatwa shopping. Ppl pray the salah behind all imams regardless their maslak.
    8: Now a days I'm praying behind barelvi n salafi imam
    9: Rest is irrelevant.
    10: Mend your ways or as you wish. Life is yours
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    Whenever I see barelvi and deobandi speaking to each other.I somehow find them like husband and wife.Being unrealistic and fighting with eachother when in reality there is nothing but shaitaan.As far as fatwa goes.It is very shameful to see such a fatwa in the light from abu dhabhi of UAE where Islam is being out of fold like Kufr is being the norm over there.
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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    dont know about takfeer but their deviance is more than clear, then we have people like sheikh muhammad yaqoubi saying ahmad raza is a mujaddid!!! how can a Sunni Muslim even say such a thing?!!!!!!!!! unless he is also a deviant
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    Quote Originally Posted by arfatzafar View Post
    1: No, your wrong
    2: I dont follow a particular alim like you e.g. Hz Molana Safdar sb rh.a was a great alim but you consider him Hujjatullah fil arz. This tendency is a perspicuous proof of blind following of ulma ikram.
    3: I believe in Quran n sunnah. you're following a few ulma n I follow the school of thought.
    4: Beware! Psycopathy n sociopathy are disease.
    5: I've not heard these names.
    6: Are you from Pakistan?
    If yes, then this propensity of venting grudge n animosity is not surprising.
    7: I belong to the birth place of Barelviyat's real founder (Molvi Fazlerasul rh.a) but here all the ppl live peacefully. We dont have fatwa shopping. Ppl pray the salah behind all imams regardless their maslak.
    8: Now a days I'm praying behind barelvi n salafi imam
    9: Rest is irrelevant.
    10: Mend your ways or as you wish. Life is yours
    Yeah,you follow the ignorant like Moulvis of Tablighi Jamat.Whatever the Imam of Ahlus Sunnah said is from Shariah.I hate the deviants for the sake of Allah,which comes under Al-bughdu Lillah,not psychopathy and sociopathy.Hadrat Mufti Zarwali Khan(db) once said that the Tablighis who offer Salah behind a Bid'ati imam are not Tablighis,but Shayateen.Would you call Mutakallimul Islam Hadrat Maulana Ilyas Ghumman(db) also sociopath? He also speaks against all false sects and calls Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi the agent of the British.The curse of today's Tablighi Jamat has deprived you of shame and ghairah.Hadith:If you don't have shame,do whatever pleases you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordova View Post
    Yeah,you follow the ignorant like Moulvis of Tablighi Jamat.Whatever the Imam of Ahlus Sunnah said is from Shariah.I hate the deviants for the sake of Allah,which comes under Al-bughdu Lillah,not psychopathy and sociopathy.Hadrat Mufti Zarwali Khan(db) once said that the Tablighis who offer Salah behind a Bid'ati imam are not Tablighis,but Shayateen.Would you call Mutakallimul Islam Hadrat Maulana Ilyas Ghumman(db) also sociopath? He also speaks against all false sects and calls Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi the agent of the British.The curse of today's Tablighi Jamat has deprived you of shame and ghairah.Hadith:If you don't have shame,do whatever pleases you.
    Who doesn't know Ibn Salool, the leader of the munafiqin, the worst enemy of Islam- RasulAllah s.aw prayed for his Janaza-salah when he died. Why?
    According to Hz Imam Abu Hanifa if one has 1 alamat of iman against 99 of kufr, then shirk calling him Kaffir.
    TJ, InshaAllah, will remain under the rehmah of Allah swt. Nobody can harm it. I dont care what psychoath rants

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    Ibn wahab was a deviant, why else would he label muslims polytheists and then make it permissible to then murder them. Men, women, children the elderly no one was spared. Is this following Sunnah, is this Islam. It amuses me to see so many follow a murderer.

    I have seen extracts of the deobandi leaders first edition books and its no wonder imam raza khan said what he did. And its only those that believe in what those elders believed in, the demeaning way in which they refer to Rasul saws using weird analogies is disgusting.

    Imam Ahmed Raza Khan loved our Prophet, in their fail attempt at following in ibn wahabs footsteps the deobandi elders went to far.
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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by browny View Post
    Ibn wahab...
    When you can't even get his name right, the rest of the diatribe becomes just as worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    When you can't even get his name right, the rest of the diatribe becomes just as worthless.
    Thats abit rich...seriously you should check yourself, why do posters like you never do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by browny View Post
    Thats abit rich...
    I bet you don't even know why you said that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordova View Post
    Watch your words.Who made efforts to divide Indian Muslims into two groups -Barelvi and Deobandi? It was the British poodle Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi kaafir.The Muftis of Abu Dhabi asked the Imam of Ahlus Sunnah,Hujjatullah fil ard Hadrat Maulana Muhammad Sarfaraz Khan Safdar(rah) about the Barelvi beliefs,so he wrote some of them and sent to the Muftis.The Muftis then gave the Fatwa.To be on the moderate path,only those Barelvis will be out of the fold of Islam who hold the beliefs of Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi,Naeemuddin Moradabadi,Amjad Ali Azamgarhi kuffaar,this is the research of Allama Mufti Zarwali Khan(db).Don't you know that Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi kaafir labelled the Akabir of Deoband kaafir resorting to the forgery tactics of Jews? .
    So what was the beliefs that were sent to the muftis of Abu Dhabi by Sarfraz Khan Safdar?. Amjad Ali Azamgarhi? You are making the same mistake your Mufti Zar wali khan made in a speech. Tell him to hold some research on the person's name before passing some fatwa.
    لقد جاءكم رسول من أنفسكم عزيز عليه ما عنتم حريص عليكم بالمؤمنين رءوف رحيم

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post
    When you can't even get his name right, the rest of the diatribe becomes just as worthless.
    She is actually right about what he and Ibn Saud did.

    While I agree with the essence of what he was preaching, Ibn Abdul Wahhab's takfeer was excessive and the blood of Muslims are upon him and his movements hands. His movement turned into a khawariji movement and his pact with the Saud family means that he legitimized their rule as Islamic rulers.

    Getting a bunch of illiterate bedouin to make war upon anyone who deemed as "mushrikeen" is what his movement eventually became.

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    I think the Mufti's of Abu America are far more intelligent then that of Abu Dhabi; MashAllah the formers have utilised their intellectual culture to understand the very depths of all related issues; lets hear it from one such mufti of how it is NOT Kufr:

    http://shadhilitariqa.com/site/index...ask=view&id=37

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    Before I came to this site I was quite ignorant and didn't really care much about sects I just thought majority are Sunni but after coming here it's all about sunni, Sufi, deobandi, barelvi and I am sure I have missed many more really what is the point of all this and trying to prove others are kaafir really beats me

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    poor brother cordova, he is trapped in a whirlwind of condeming others; deobandi's, tablighi's, mufti so and so, berelwi's, you name it he's got something negative to say about them, when he really should be worried about where he is headed!

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    You can't call a whole group Kafir just like that
    You never know someone in that group is following by start of practising and by time can increase in knowledge and accept the true knowledge
    7 Heavens and The Arsh & Kursi Of Allah - by Sheikh Ahmed Ali [HD]

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordova View Post
    This is the Fatwa of the Muftis of Abu Dhabi concerning the Barelvi aka Razakhani sect,whose founder was the British poodle Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi.http://ia600403.us.archive.org/10/it...n_Beralwis.pdf The Muftis gave the Fatwa that the followers of Barelvi aka Razakhani sect are out of the fold of Islam because of their beliefs of Kufr.
    OH MY GOD!!!
    I always knew it, but waiting for this to happen!

    YOu see brother,
    I live in a barelvi muslim area, whenever anyone oppose them they say gustak-e-rasool
    The masjids are full of bid'aa doing people
    like the kiss thumps and swip it over their eyes on hearing sallalahu alaihi wassalam
    they say darood before adhan and also before ikama,
    Moreover they say YA rasool allah.
    and directs to the people to stand only after hiyyalassalah, because they believe prophet(may peace and blessings be upon him) comes to pray with them.

    Should I pray in that masjid?
    because it is the only masjid in our area
    or should I pray at home??

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by deenlover1 View Post
    You can't call a whole group Kafir just like that
    You never know someone in that group is following by start of practising and by time can increase in knowledge and accept the true knowledge
    He should just say the shahada and he'll be out of that fold of jahiliyya

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Arru34 View Post
    Should I pray in that masjid?
    because it is the only masjid in our area
    or should I pray at home??
    Brother,a kaafir and mu'min are never equal.Hadrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi(rah) said,'We don't make anyone kaafir,we just indicate who is kaafir'.Means one becomes kaafir because of his own beliefs.Ulama are not law-makers,but just law-interpreters.I suggest you to offer Salah except Jumuah individually instead of doing it behind an Imam with beliefs of kufr.Listen to the speeches of Hadrat Mufti Zarwali Khan(db) at www.ahsanululoom.com Insha Allah you would learn about all Shariah.

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cordova View Post
    Brother,a kaafir and mu'min are never equal.Hadrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi(rah) said,'We don't make anyone kaafir,we just indicate who is kaafir'.Means one becomes kaafir because of his own beliefs.Ulama are not law-makers,but just law-interpreters.I suggest you to offer Salah except Jumuah individually instead of doing it behind an Imam with beliefs of kufr.Listen to the speeches of Hadrat Mufti Zarwali Khan(db) at www.ahsanululoom.com Insha Allah you would learn about all Shariah.
    Thanks brother

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    To Cordova.

    I asked you to point out the beliefs that are kufria in Barelwis and if you can provide the scan of what was written to the muftis of Abu Dhabi.
    لقد جاءكم رسول من أنفسكم عزيز عليه ما عنتم حريص عليكم بالمؤمنين رءوف رحيم

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    Re: Barelvi sect out of the fold of islam !!

    Why do people bring up such topics that serve no benefit? If you are so passionate about brelvis being misguided please point out what actual practices are misguided and what the correct belief is in accordance with the quran and sunnah as understood by the salaf.

    Remember the prophet (pbuh) said the best of those are the ones who are best in character.


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