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    Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    A Saudi man has been beheaded on charges of sorcery and witchcraft, the state news agency SPA says.

    The man, Muree bin Ali bin Issa al-Asiri, was found in possession of books and talismans, SPA said. He had also admitted adultery with two women, it said.

    The execution took place in the southern Najran province, SPA reported.

    Human rights groups have repeatedly condemned executions for witchcraft in Saudi Arabia.

    Last year, there were reports of at least two people being executed for sorcery.

    Mr Asiri was beheaded after his sentence was upheld by the country's highest courts, the Saudi news agency website said.

    No details were given of what he was found guilty of beyond the charges of witchcraft and sorcery.

    Amnesty International says the country does not formally classify sorcery as a capital offence.

    But the BBC's Arab Affairs Editor, Sebastian Usher, says there is a very strong prohibition of some practices from the country's powerful conservative religious leaders.

    Some, he explains, have repeatedly called for the strongest possible punishments against anyone suspected of sorcery - whether they are fortune tellers or faith healers.

    In 2010, a Lebanese television presenter of a popular fortune-telling programme was arrested while on pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia.

    Though sentenced to death, after pressure from his government and human rights groups, he was freed by the Saudi Supreme Court, which that he had not harmed anyone.

    More recent cases of death on charges of sorcery include that of a Saudi woman, executed for committing sorcery and witchcraft in December, in the northern province of Jawf, and that of a Sudanese man executed in September, despite calls led by Amnesty International for his release.

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Sorcery
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    Fear Allah! And be nice to me

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Salaam

    At least someone is cracking down on this evil practice.

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    i know some1 who does this ....

    no taking law in own hands :@




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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by noobz View Post
    i know some1 who does this ....

    no taking law in own hands :@
    Turn em in. They should be executed.

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by *Aisha View Post
    Turn em in. They should be executed.
    doesnt work that way here.

    hes got alot of customers that would pay thousands for his services.




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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by noobz View Post
    doesnt work that way here.

    hes got alot of customers that would pay thousands for his services.
    Salaam

    Obiviously, these black magicians have played and continue to play a major role in Dajjaals plan for global domination. Anyone who tries to expose this practice will end up with bad things happening to them. All we can do is try to protect ourselves and our family by learning ruqya and staying away from things that increase dajjaal's influence in our life.

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    a lot of pir are black magicians

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Why couldn't they just put him in jail instead of beheading
    There is no such thing as an Israel,
    It is occupied-palestine


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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by RaineR View Post
    Why couldn't they just put him in jail instead of beheading
    Why? This is punishable by death and a grave crime. Why waste money feeding him and clothing him and housing him when that money could be put to better use? This is a crime that is completely premeditated unlike even some murders that just happen in the hear of the moment (and even those are punished harshly except for very special circumstances). No excuse for committing Shir.
    Last edited by Glow; 19-06-12 at 09:53 PM.

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by RaineR View Post
    Why couldn't they just put him in jail instead of beheading
    because the shariah punishment is beheading and as muslim we have to be happy with this and accept it, some scholers have even said if you come accross a sorcerer yourself you should kill him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muslimali1234 View Post
    because the shariah punishment is beheading and as muslim we have to be happy with this and accept it, some scholers have even said if you come accross a sorcerer yourself you should kill him.
    If that's the case then should I be killing every sorcerer back home there's looooooads
    There is no such thing as an Israel,
    It is occupied-palestine


    Should the Jews have been given a homeland?

    YES...........in germany,

    the world should have given the jews germany as payment for the holocaust

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by RaineR View Post
    If that's the case then should I be killing every sorcerer back home there's looooooads
    do it i wouldnt judge you i would pray for you, but seeing as your a sister i think you should let a brother do it lol no offence.
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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glow View Post
    Why? This is punishable by death and a grave crime. Why waste money feeding him and clothing him and housing him when that money could be put to better use? This is a crime that is completely premeditated unlike even some murders that just happen in the hear of the moment (and even those are punished harshly except for very special circumstances). No excuse for committing Shir.
    I wasn't excusing him lol
    Just saying some Islamic countries r not following this particular punishment for sorcerers
    There is no such thing as an Israel,
    It is occupied-palestine


    Should the Jews have been given a homeland?

    YES...........in germany,

    the world should have given the jews germany as payment for the holocaust

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    I thought only non-western foreigners got the death penalty?
    "The discovery of truth is prevented more effectively, not by the false appearance of things present and which mislead into error, not directly by weakness of the reasoning powers, but by preconceived notions, opinion, and by prejudice." - Arthur Schopenhauer

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by mizfissy815 View Post
    I thought only non-western foreigners got the death penalty?
    No even Arab countries but it's my first time to know u can kill a sorcerer
    There is no such thing as an Israel,
    It is occupied-palestine


    Should the Jews have been given a homeland?

    YES...........in germany,

    the world should have given the jews germany as payment for the holocaust

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    Quote Originally Posted by muslimali1234 View Post
    do it i wouldnt judge you i would pray for you, but seeing as your a sister i think you should let a brother do it lol no offence.
    Lol I'm serious there's loads back home
    There is no such thing as an Israel,
    It is occupied-palestine


    Should the Jews have been given a homeland?

    YES...........in germany,

    the world should have given the jews germany as payment for the holocaust

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by RaineR View Post
    No even Arab countries but it's my first time to know u can kill a sorcerer
    lol ok im not telling you to kill people lol, remember you got to have sufficient evidence, i can feel the cia tracing me now lol
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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by RaineR View Post
    I wasn't excusing him lol
    Just saying some Islamic countries r not following this particular punishment for sorcerers
    A country is not necessarily Islamic just because it has a Muslim majority. But Alhamdulilah Saudi Arabia is following Islamic law to a certain extent. And we should be proud of that and encourage them to follow it more. Not advise them with thing against the Sunnah.

    Sadly, some countries are not following Islamic law, even though they should be. And yes, under Islamic law the punishment for such things are clear.

    Furthermore, we shouldn't waste money on housing, feeding, providing services and clothing such people. There are people out there, Muslims, who legitimately deserve that help the money wasted on such individuals will bring.

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by RaineR View Post
    Lol I'm serious there's loads back home
    black magicians are wajib ul qatal , however u cant take the law into ur hands as per major jurists said cause that might create anarchy and people might go killing any1 claiming he was a black magician ..

    however what if it was some1 just and truthful ? ... maybe so? ..




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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by noobz View Post
    black magicians are wajib ul qatal , however u cant take the law into ur hands as per major jurists said cause that might create anarchy and people might go killing any1 claiming he was a black magician ..

    however what if it was some1 just and truthful ? ... maybe so? ..
    I remember asking about this, and the sheikh gave an example of a man coming home finding his wife in bed with another man and kills him. Now no court has convicted the zina performing man but in such a situation the qadi would ask the one who carried out the hudud punishment to prove his case according to the criterion of the shariah, if he cannot he would be killed as a murderer and if he could there is no punishment for him but either way there is no punishment in the hereafter.

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glow View Post
    A country is not necessarily Islamic just because it has a Muslim majority. But Alhamdulilah Saudi Arabia is following Islamic law to a certain extent. And we should be proud of that and encourage them to follow it more. Not advise them with thing against the Sunnah.

    Sadly, some countries are not following Islamic law, even though they should be. And yes, under Islamic law the punishment for such things are clear.

    Furthermore, we shouldn't waste money on housing, feeding, providing services and clothing such people. There are people out there, Muslims, who legitimately deserve that help the money wasted on such individuals will bring.
    If only they were atleast as brave as Faisal ibn Abdulaziz they would not be facing this much of criticism .
    Where there are no Ulemah(Scholars) there are many Muftis.

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Do they really believe "witchcraft and sorcery" exist?

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibnzubair View Post
    Sorcery
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    and Adultery, he admitted to 2 cases of Adultery according to the OP. THat alone would have been sufficient to give him the death penalty.

    Last edited by Saif-Uddin; 20-06-12 at 02:39 AM.
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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vishnu View Post
    Do they really believe "witchcraft and sorcery" exist?
    yes,

    theres only Black magic though, no such thing as white/good magic ...
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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    yes,

    theres only Black magic though, no such thing as white/good magic ...
    Can you explain how "witchcraft and sorcery" work using cause and effect relationship?

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vishnu View Post
    Do they really believe "witchcraft and sorcery" exist?
    Lol nice one dude, u know 100% that it exists.

    Go to post number 211 here http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...97#post4740197

    Check the video there. If you want to learn black magic, go to one of their schools in America.
    Last edited by ukhan0888; 20-06-12 at 02:47 AM.

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by ukhan0888 View Post
    Lol nice one dude, u know 100% that it exists.
    I know 100% that it exists?

    No, I don't, hence the question

    Come up with a cause and effect relationship. If you lost money that you kept in your pocket while moving in busy street would you believe that somebody did a witchcraft or that someone stole it (cause) hence you are left with an empty pocket (effect) or that the purse slipped (cause) hence you are left with an empty pocket (effect)?

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vishnu View Post
    I know 100% that it exists?

    No, I don't, hence the question

    Come up with a cause and effect relationship. If you lost money that you kept in your pocket while moving in busy street would you believe that somebody did a witchcraft or that someone stole it (cause) hence you are left with an empty pocket (effect) or that the purse slipped (cause) hence you are left with an empty pocket (effect)?
    Lol so u want to play funny guy, how about jinns? Should I come up with a cause and effect relationship with how they are real as well???

    Here is the thread about the things that can be done using black magic: http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...ic-done-on-you

    Here is a sister dying from it: http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...-may-hv-cancer

    And you can ask the many forum members who had it done on them

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vishnu View Post
    Can you explain how "witchcraft and sorcery" work using cause and effect relationship?
    Basically Witches and Sorcerors use Jinns to perform magic,

    how it is done exactly, I don't know and I don't want to know, suffice to say there are incidents of real magic which Science cannot explain away.

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by ukhan0888 View Post
    Should I come up with a cause and effect relationship with how they are real as well???
    Yes, please.

    You need to have a relationship between an effect (a sister dying) and a cause (witchcraft) to come to an understanding that is what which did.

    Otherwise, I can murder someone who is dear to you and put the blame on someone else, a known "sorcerer", that he did a witchcraft on me. You should be agreeing with my argument then as you believe people can be under the spell of a witchcraft.

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    Basically Witches and Sorcerors use Jinns to perform magic,

    how it is done exactly, I don't know and I don't want to know, suffice to say there are incidents of real magic which Science cannot explain away.

    regards
    OK, how about I steal your money and spend it or murder someone dear to you and put the blame on a sorcerer?

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vishnu View Post
    Yes, please.

    You need to have a relationship between an effect (a sister dying) and a cause (witchcraft) to come to an understanding that is what which did.

    Otherwise, I can murder someone who is dear to you and put the blame on someone else, a known "sorcerer", that he did a witchcraft on me. You should be agreeing with my argument then as you believe people can be under the spell of a witchcraft.
    Sorcery in Saudi Arabia is usually only prosecuted when one is found doing it in the act. Hence why most if not all of those accused have either admitted to it or have been caught through surveillance/recordings/hidden cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vishnu View Post
    Do they really believe "witchcraft and sorcery" exist?
    Well, them being the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia who base there country on a 'strict Wahabi interpretation of Islam' (as some put it) clearly believe it does. Hence why it's punishable.

    You being a non-Muslims may or may not believe it. And your views on it are irrelevant both to Saudi Arabia or in the sight of Islam.

    I think your opening question was just a doorway for you to insert yourself in the conversation. To be honest I don't think you really did not know the answer to that question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glow View Post
    Sorcery in Saudi Arabia is usually only prosecuted when one is found doing it in the act. Hence why most if not all of those accused have either admitted to it or have been caught through surveillance/recordings/hidden cameras.
    OK, in Saudi Arabia they believe that some can perform sorcery and others can be under its spell.

    So technically one can blame a sorcerer for a crime he did. Since sorcery is not required to show a cause and effect relationship (no one yet gave one) and since Saudi Arabia believes that sorcery exists, he would be acquitted right?

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glow View Post
    Well, them being the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia who base there country on a 'strict Wahabi interpretation of Islam' (as some put it) clearly believe it does. Hence why it's punishable.

    You being a non-Muslims may or may not believe it. And your views on it are irrelevant both to Saudi Arabia or in the sight of Islam.

    I think your opening question was just a doorway for you to insert yourself in the conversation. To be honest I don't think you really did not know the answer to that question.
    He shouldve asked, "Do you muslims believe" he asks like we got a different religion or something It doesnt justify a answer

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Glow View Post
    Well, them being the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia who base there country on a 'strict Wahabi interpretation of Islam' (as some put it) clearly believe it does. Hence why it's punishable.

    You being a non-Muslims may or may not believe it. And your views on it are irrelevant both to Saudi Arabia or in the sight of Islam.

    I think your opening question was just a doorway for you to insert yourself in the conversation. To be honest I don't think you really did not know the answer to that question.
    You are not really answering my question or telling me where I am wrong.

    Rather you choose to question my intentions and choose to discredit my question because I am a non Muslim.

    Ad hominem is described as a logical fallacy and an irrelevance.

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vishnu View Post
    OK, in Saudi Arabia they believe that some can perform sorcery and others can be under its spell.

    So technically one can blame a sorcerer for a crime he did. Since sorcery is not required to show a cause and effect relationship (no one yet gave one) and since Saudi Arabia believes that sorcery exists, he would be acquitted right?
    No, because the burden of proof for Sorcery and for most if not all other crimes in Islam falls on the shoulders of the accuser, not the accused.

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by *Aisha View Post
    He shouldve asked, "Do you muslims believe" he asks like we got a different religion or something It doesnt justify a answer
    OK, can you explain how "witchcraft and sorcery" work using cause and effect relationship?

    If not would you agree with me committing a crime and blaming it on a sorcerer?

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    Re: Saudi man executed for 'witchcraft and sorcery'

    Quote Originally Posted by Vishnu View Post
    OK, can you explain how "witchcraft and sorcery" work using cause and effect relationship?

    If not would you agree with me committing a crime and blaming it on a sorcerer?
    I answered those questions. Right in the post above. Lets have an organized dialogue. Lets not jump around from topic to topic or member to member.


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