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    Allah is the best deceiver?

    Dear Muslims, why does Allah describe himself as the best deceiver in:
    * Quran 3:54
    * Quran 7:99
    * Quran 8:30
    * Quran 10:21
    * Quran 13:42

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Quran 3:54
    And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.

    Quran 7:99
    Then did they feel secure from the plan of Allah ? But no one feels secure from the plan of Allah except the losing people.

    Quran 8:30
    And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners.

    Quran 10:21
    And when We give the people a taste of mercy after adversity has touched them, at once they conspire against Our verses. Say, " Allah is swifter in strategy." Indeed, Our messengers record that which you conspire

    Quran 13:42
    And those before them had plotted, but to Allah belongs the plan entirely. He knows what every soul earns, and the disbelievers will know for whom is the final home.

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    In translations of the Quran, the word 'plan' or 'planners' is used.

    But if you type into google what the OP has said you get answering-islam and Wikiislam; two notorious anti-islamic sites. Quel surprise.

    The irony is that the disbelievers self fulfil these verses when they try to cast doubt into the minds of muslims. They plot and plan but indeed, Allah is the best of planners.
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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    lol where are the verses about deceiving?? what we can gather is that the kuffar are deceiving themselves when they think they are deceiving Allah or other people.

    Allah is the best of planners < tell me how can this be interpreted as deception? lol take some english lessons.

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Quote Originally Posted by elitealot View Post
    Quran 3:54
    And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.

    Quran 7:99
    Then did they feel secure from the plan of Allah ? But no one feels secure from the plan of Allah except the losing people.

    Quran 8:30
    And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners.

    Quran 10:21
    And when We give the people a taste of mercy after adversity has touched them, at once they conspire against Our verses. Say, " Allah is swifter in strategy." Indeed, Our messengers record that which you conspire

    Quran 13:42
    And those before them had plotted, but to Allah belongs the plan entirely. He knows what every soul earns, and the disbelievers will know for whom is the final home.

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    The title of this thread sounds so wrong. Allah is no deciever. There are no negative qualities within the nature of Allah so i really think we should think before we type. What need would Allah have to decieve when it is Allah who guides to the true & purified path. Deception is used when trying to hide the reality of a situation, what need does the all powerful have to do such a thing when he is not answerable to anyone & nobody can harm him. Allah guide us to his submission Ameen.
    Last edited by M_I; 09-03-12 at 02:49 PM.

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Quote Originally Posted by M_I View Post
    The title of this thread sounds so wrong. Allah is no deciever. There is no megative qualities within the nature of Allah so i really think we should think before we type. What need would Allah have to decieve when it is Allah who calls to the true & purified path. Deception is used when trying to hide the reality of a situation, what need does the all powerful have to do such a thing when he is not answerable to anyone & nobody can harm him. Allah guide us to his submission Ameen.
    yep. those people can't even read something properly and yet they come to us acting like a big scholar

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Quote Originally Posted by asheque mahmud View Post
    Dear Muslims, why does Allah describe himself as the best deceiver in:
    * Quran 3:54
    * Quran 7:99
    * Quran 8:30
    * Quran 10:21
    * Quran 13:42
    'Deceiver', some argue, is the wrong word to use.
    'Nor say of anything,"I shall be sure to do so and so tomorrow" without adding, " if Allah (SWT) Wills" (18:23-24)

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGE View Post
    In translations of the Quran, the word 'plan' or 'planners' is used.

    But if you type into google what the OP has said you get answering-islam and Wikiislam; two notorious anti-islamic sites. Quel surprise.

    The irony is that the disbelievers self fulfil these verses when they try to cast doubt into the minds of muslims. They plot and plan but indeed, Allah is the best of planners.
    I've had this question on the da'wah stall, calling Allaah a deciever, but it is easily disproved and as you point out the ones who make up this lie only now have a former follower who is angry with being lied to...

    indeed Allaah is the best of planners.

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Quote Originally Posted by asheque mahmud View Post
    Dear Muslims, why does Allah describe himself as the best deceiver in:
    * Quran 3:54
    * Quran 7:99
    * Quran 8:30
    * Quran 10:21
    * Quran 13:42
    Christians tend to be very vague with their quotations. They often know the references they give don'tt really say what they claim it says so they just provide the reference without the quote. You see it a lot with Christians from certain polemical websites.

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    can someone look at this site. the page is all about this toipic and it says the word makara being translated as deciever can mean deciever, scheme or plan.

    *****************************DeceptionInIslam.htm

    is it a reliable site?

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Quote Originally Posted by asheque mahmud View Post
    Dear Muslims, why does Allah describe himself as the best deceiver in:
    * Quran 3:54
    * Quran 7:99
    * Quran 8:30
    * Quran 10:21
    * Quran 13:42
    none of those ayahs say that Allah is the best deceiver.


    Al-Quran states Satan as the chief deceiver.

    Learn Arabic, and don't swallow the kuffars accusation.
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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Quote Originally Posted by SILURES View Post
    can someone look at this site. the page is all about this toipic and it says the word makara being translated as deciever can mean deciever, scheme or plan.

    *****************************DeceptionInIslam.htm

    is it a reliable site?
    http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.j...ter=3&verse=54

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Hassan View Post
    what happened to my site in the link? ill assume then that its not considered a good site lol.

    thanks hassan, i look at that now. intersting site.


    this is what that site i posted says about the arabic verse

    Sura 3:54 says that Allah makara. The Arabic word makara means to deceive, scheme, or plan. The Arabic Bible in Genesis 3:1 uses the same word for Satan. However, the Vand Dyck and Jerusalem Bibles use the root word hayala.

    This word "schemer" (maakir) is a very strong word which Wehr and Abdel-Nour define as "sly, cunning, wily". The Arabic-Arabic unjid defines it with khuda`a which means exactly the same thing (by Bill Campbell in his book The Qur'an and the Bible in the Light of History and Science p.217-218).

    considering this is off a site that has been added to the sites censor list if its not suitable please delete or ask me to edit it out.
    Last edited by SILURES; 09-03-12 at 04:13 PM.

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Quote Originally Posted by SILURES View Post
    what happened to my site in the link? ill assume then that its not considered a good site lol.

    thanks hassan, i look at that now. intersting site.


    this is what that site i posted says about the arabic verse




    considering this is off a site that has been added to the sites censor list if its not suitable please delete or ask me to edit it out.
    SILURES, these sites are a big fake. If your interested I could give you links to Classical Arabic dictionaries like Lisan-al-Arab. You could also look in Jane's lexicon. For the meaning of the particular ayat, you can look in classical tafsirs like that of Ibn Kathir. There have been thousands of Muslims scholars who have been experts in Arabic, if the Qur'an had made such a fundamental mistake - don't you think they would have realized that.

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    talk about mis-representation.
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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Hassan View Post
    SILURES, these sites are a big fake. If your interested I could give you links to Classical Arabic dictionaries like Lisan-al-Arab. You could also look in Jane's lexicon. For the meaning of the particular ayat, you can look in classical tafsirs like that of Ibn Kathir. There have been thousands of Muslims scholars who have been experts in Arabic, if the Qur'an had made such a fundamental mistake - don't you think they would have realized that.
    hassan im not saying anyone has made a mistake in any way. or im not trying to be negitive about the ayats meaning.

    a site posted a translation of the word and said it can also mean decive as well as plan and scheme. all i asked was is that right because people here are saying it doesnt also mean decieve. i trust you and others here, if you say it doesnt also mean decive ill belive you mate, no need to post proof.

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Tafsir ibn kathir

    Muhammad bin Ishaq reported from Muhammad bin Ja`far bin Az-Zubayr, from `Urwah bin Az-Zubayr who commented on Allah's statement,

    ﴿وَيَمْكُرُونَ وَيَمْكُرُ اللَّهُ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَـكِرِينَ﴾

    (...they were plotting and Allah too was plotting, and Allah is the best of plotters.) "I (Allah) plotted against them with My sure planning, and I saved you (O Muhammad) from them.''
    Last edited by vicious L; 09-03-12 at 07:41 PM.

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    At the end i want to say that one of my christian neighbor asked me the Question.I couldn't answer that.
    So why i asked this question like this.So i found some specific talk and information from this.I will inform
    my friend.

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Quote Originally Posted by elitealot View Post
    Quran 3:54
    And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.

    Quran 7:99
    Then did they feel secure from the plan of Allah ? But no one feels secure from the plan of Allah except the losing people.

    Quran 8:30
    And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners.

    Quran 10:21
    And when We give the people a taste of mercy after adversity has touched them, at once they conspire against Our verses. Say, " Allah is swifter in strategy." Indeed, Our messengers record that which you conspire

    Quran 13:42
    And those before them had plotted, but to Allah belongs the plan entirely. He knows what every soul earns, and the disbelievers will know for whom is the final home.
    What version of the Quran is this and how well can the translators be trusted?. What does it say in Arabic? That is what is exact. The unbelievers planned?
    What did the unbelievers plan? I believe the Quran in Arabic tells us but this translated doesn't. that begs the question: WHY? What unbelievers planned is what Allah does best. That is what the verse tells me.

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    This thread made me feel uncomfortable.. The title is very wrong for starters also I don't like anyone questioning Allah swt.
    Who are we to question the all mighty.. Who are we?

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    Re: Allah is the best deceiver?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ4u View Post
    What version of the Quran is this and how well can the translators be trusted?. What does it say in Arabic? That is what is exact. The unbelievers planned?
    What did the unbelievers plan? I believe the Quran in Arabic tells us but this translated doesn't. that begs the question: WHY? What unbelievers planned is what Allah does best. That is what the verse tells me.
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