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    Jummah prayer

    Sallam ... What do we read for jummah namaz?

    Is this the correct way?

    the first 4 rakaah sunnah mo'akkada (by yourself)...
    KHUTBA
    2 farz (2farz jummah behind the imam)...
    4 sunnat <-- ( is it sunnah moakkda?
    2sunnat <-- ( is it sunnah moakkda?
    2 nafil

    and can we read at home?
    Last edited by Mo786; 30-03-12 at 01:09 PM.

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by Mo786 View Post
    Sallam ... What do we read for jummah namaz?

    Is this the correct way?

    the first 4 rakaah sunnah mo'akkada (by yourself)...
    KHUTBA
    2 farz (2farz jummah behind the imam)...
    4 sunnat <-- ( is it sunnah moakkda?
    2sunnat <-- ( is it sunnah moakkda?
    2 nafil
    (source - http://www.inter-islam.org/Actions/P...iday)%20Salaat
    and can we read at home?


    Yes, that's the correct method; and as far as I'm aware, you can read both Sunnah and Nafil at home (but insha'Allah more reward if you read them in the Masjid).
    'Nor say of anything,"I shall be sure to do so and so tomorrow" without adding, " if Allah (SWT) Wills" (18:23-24)

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by Peacenik View Post


    Yes, that's the correct method; and as far as I'm aware, you can read both Sunnah and Nafil at home (but insha'Allah more reward if you read them in the Masjid).
    Jabir (RA) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said: "If one of you offers his prayers in the Mosque then he should make a portion of his prayers in his house, as Allah has made his prayers in his house a means of betterment (for him)." (Ahmed, Muslim)

    Umar (RA) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said: "The nawafil salah of a man in his house are a light; whoever wishes should lighten up his house." (Ahmed)

    Umar (RA) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said: "The nawafil salah of a man in his house are a light; whoever wishes should lighten up his house." (Ahmed)

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by Peacenik View Post


    Yes, that's the correct method; and as far as I'm aware, you can read both Sunnah and Nafil at home (but insha'Allah more reward if you read them in the Masjid).
    Ok if you read at home what are the rakats ?

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by hanzla View Post
    Jabir (RA) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said: "If one of you offers his prayers in the Mosque then he should make a portion of his prayers in his house, as Allah has made his prayers in his house a means of betterment (for him)." (Ahmed, Muslim)

    Umar (RA) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said: "The nawafil salah of a man in his house are a light; whoever wishes should lighten up his house." (Ahmed)

    Umar (RA) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) said: "The nawafil salah of a man in his house are a light; whoever wishes should lighten up his house." (Ahmed)
    Doesn't alter the fact about what I said earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by Mo786 View Post
    Ok if you read at home what are the rakats ?
    Exactly the same if you were offering them at the Masjid.
    'Nor say of anything,"I shall be sure to do so and so tomorrow" without adding, " if Allah (SWT) Wills" (18:23-24)

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by Peacenik View Post
    Doesn't alter the fact about what I said earlier



    Exactly the same if you were offering them at the Masjid.
    the first 4 rakaah sunnah mo'akkada (by yourself)...
    KHUTBA
    2 farz (2farz jummah behind the imam)...
    4 sunnat <-- ( is it sunnah moakkda?
    2sunnat <-- ( is it sunnah moakkda?
    2 nafil
    So we can read the same at home even the 2 farz?

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by Mo786 View Post
    the first 4 rakaah sunnah mo'akkada (by yourself)...
    KHUTBA
    2 farz (2farz jummah behind the imam)...
    4 sunnat <-- ( is it sunnah moakkda?
    2sunnat <-- ( is it sunnah moakkda?
    2 nafil
    So we can read the same at home even the 2 farz?
    Brother, if you were to read at home, the entire Salaat would be Zuhr; it would only be Jummah at the Masjid.

    And not too sure whether the Sunnahs after the 2 Fard are 'mokada'; Nafil are entirely optional.
    'Nor say of anything,"I shall be sure to do so and so tomorrow" without adding, " if Allah (SWT) Wills" (18:23-24)

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by Peacenik View Post
    Brother, if you were to read at home, the entire Salaat would be Zuhr; it would only be Jummah at the Masjid.

    And not too sure whether the Sunnahs after the 2 Fard are 'mokada'; Nafil are entirely optional.
    can any brother put down what we read for jummah at home?

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by Mo786 View Post
    can any brother put down what we read for jummah at home?
    salat ul juma isnt done at home. the sunnah prayers can be prayed at home.

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    I am walking to the Masjid for Jum'ah this very second and it's snowing like crazy Subhanallah!

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by Sister Faisa View Post
    I am walking to the Masjid for Jum'ah this very second and it's snowing like crazy Subhanallah!
    Wow, snowing lol

    Ok so If i miss Jummah prayer i can read normal (zhur) prayer

    4 Rakat sunnah mokadda
    4 rakat farz
    2 sunnah mokadda
    2 nafl

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by Sister Faisa View Post
    I am walking to the Masjid for Jum'ah this very second and it's snowing like crazy Subhanallah!
    mash'Allah.


    I've been taught that Juma Prayer is not valid in a non Muslim Country, but is still prayed so we keep the importance of the day [correct me If I'm wrong insh'Allah]

    so the 4 Rakahs after Juma prayer are actually 4 Farz of Salatul Dhurh... I can't remember the maslah however I can clarify for tomorrow or monday iA.
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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by .Abu.Rambo. View Post
    mash'Allah.


    I've been taught that Juma Prayer is not valid in a non Muslim Country, but is still prayed so we keep the importance of the day [correct me If I'm wrong insh'Allah]

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Abu.Rambo. View Post
    I've been taught that Juma Prayer is not valid in a non Muslim Country..
    Get a different teacher.
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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by .mirror. View Post
    I was like :| too, but I've asked more than one shakyh and I got the same answer [From a Hanafi POV]




    Quote Originally Posted by Peacenik View Post
    Get a different teacher.
    peacenick you've made it clear that you've not studied books of Fiqh you shouldn't dismiss things just because you don't know about it.

    Answered by Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam
    Question : I have a brother who is contemplating a career change primarily because he would not be able to hold a teaching position at the elementary school level if he had to leave every week for Jumu’a. I have apparently been told that the Syrian Hanafi position is that Jumu’a is not mandatory in the West because there is no Muslim ruler or established Islamic authority.
    Answer : The position of the mainstream and majority of scholars, both from the Subcontinent and the Arab world, is that the condition of having a Muslim ruler (sultan) in order to establish the Friday prayer is not a condition in of itself; rather, a means to ensure that there is no dispute regarding the establishment of the Friday prayer.
    The renowned Hanafi Jurist (faqih), Imam al-Kasani (Allah have mercy on him) explains in his Bada’i al-Sana’i that the condition of having the Sultan’s permission is to avoid any possible disputes and arguments, because the Friday (jumu’a) prayer is offered in a large congregating and to lead such a massive congregation in prayer is indeed a great privilege; hence, it may lead those who like to be in the limelight into competing and arguing with one another to acquire the post of leading the Friday prayer. For this reason, appointing the right person to lead the Friday prayer was left to the discretion of the Sultan, so that he may appoint whomever he feels fit for this esteemed position. As a result, there would be no dispute, for others would be forced into obeying the Sultan and may even fear his punishment. (Bada’i al-Sana’i, 1/261)
    He further states that the above is when the Sultan or his representative is present. However, if the Sultan was not able to attend for one reason or another and the time of Jumu’a Salat came in, then there is nothing wrong in the congregation uniting in the appointment of an Imam and praying behind him. This is supported by what Imam Muhammad has narrated that when Sayyiduna Uthman (Allah be pleased with him) was surrounded by the enemies, people appointed Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) to lead them in the Friday prayer. (ibid)
    In light of the above explanation and in light of the explanation given by many other jurists, it is not a condition of the Friday prayer that it be performed in a Muslim land. In the absence of a Sultan or a Muslim ruler, it is completely permissible for the Muslims to choose someone to lead the Friday prayer and such a Friday prayer would be considered valid.
    When the Friday prayer is considered valid, it becomes obligatory upon each and every Muslim male to attend the prayer unless there is a dire and genuine excuse. Missing the Friday prayer without a legally accepted excuse would be extremely sinful.
    Allah Most High says:
    “O you who believe! When the call for Friday prayer is made, hasten towards the remembrance of Allah (Prayer and Khutba) and leave all transactions. This is best for you if you know.” (Sura al-Jumu’a, V: 9)
    The above is the position of most contemporary Ulama. What you have been told regarding the Syrian Hanafi position, it is incorrect; rather, many top Syrian Ulama concur with the position of the Subcontinent Fuqaha, in that the Friday prayer is obligatory even in the West. I myself once heard Shaykh Muhammad Sa’id Ramadhan al-Buti (Allah preserve him) refuting quite vigorously the isolated position of Jumu’a not being obligatory in the West.
    Hence, your brother will be doing the right thing by looking for an alternative job if he is unable to offer his Jumu’a prayer at his current post. It will not be permitted to take up a career where one is regularly unable to offer one’s Friday prayer, even in the West.
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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by .Abu.Rambo. View Post
    I was like :| too, but I've asked more than one shakyh and I got the same answer [From a Hanafi POV]

    peacenick you've made it clear that you've not studied books of Fiqh you shouldn't dismiss things just because you don't know about it.
    So Jummah's not obligatory on us who are living in the UK/US (or any other non-Muslim country) ?
    'Nor say of anything,"I shall be sure to do so and so tomorrow" without adding, " if Allah (SWT) Wills" (18:23-24)

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Jumah just ended it's was about the virtues of Surah Yusuf. Amazing.

    But I'm back to walking outside in the even crazier snow. Alhamdoulilah it preety, but it kills the bottom of my abaya

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by .Abu.Rambo. View Post
    mash'Allah.


    I've been taught that Juma Prayer is not valid in a non Muslim Country, but is still prayed so we keep the importance of the day [correct me If I'm wrong insh'Allah]

    so the 4 Rakahs after Juma prayer are actually 4 Farz of Salatul Dhurh... I can't remember the maslah however I can clarify for tomorrow or monday iA.
    Reallly? I didn't know that....

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Rambo, the fatwa says it's valid.

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    This is why I can't trust all these fatwas. Who are they do say jumma is not valid in a non muslim country.

    Allah nows the intentions of us. They are pure. I pray jumma because I fear Allah and I want to follow the religion.

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by .mirror. View Post
    Rambo, the fatwa says it's valid.
    Yeah I know, even the opinions that I've been told they say we still must pray Juma but to be safe we must pray dhurh as well. I asked an ustadh and he said typically there should be an Islamic minister to lead the prayer but since we are in a non muslim land and we have no official person to officiate such a thing.

    I was also told that the shakyhs I spoke to were following a strict opinion and these are deep matters.

    Will find out more when I meet my moualana on monday
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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Also, ask him about countries like Pakistan and India, because these countries aren't exactly under an Islamic rule.

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by .mirror. View Post
    Also, ask him about countries like Pakistan and India, because these countries aren't exactly under an Islamic rule.
    I've heard Ulema there do the same, they pray their dhurh + juma.
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    Re: Jummah prayer

    So, there's no Jummah valid anywhere in the world? Since, we don't really have a real Muslim ruler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .mirror. View Post
    So, there's no Jummah valid anywhere in the world? Since, we don't really have a real Muslim ruler.
    I think there is ikhtilaaf, i told you it's a stricter opinion so some say there is, some say there isn't.

    I'll ask sidi al-ghazali to clarify iA.
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    Re: Jummah prayer

    The Jummah salah is an obligation on every able body individual. To miss this prayer is an extremely grave sin. The position of a few scholars that the Jummah prayer is not valid without a sultan is an isolated opinion (shahd) and it is not permissible to follow a shahd opinion in this matter.

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    If someone misses jummah prayer then we read zhur namaz normally is that correct

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    ↑Correct.
    Call onto Allah, such that you are certain that He, al-Mujib wal-Kareem, will answer your call before you even lower your hands.
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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Answered by Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam
    Question : I have a brother who is contemplating a career change primarily because he would not be able to hold a teaching position at the elementary school level if he had to leave every week for Jumu’a. I have apparently been told that the Syrian Hanafi position is that Jumu’a is not mandatory in the West because there is no Muslim ruler or established Islamic authority.
    Answer : The position of the mainstream and majority of scholars, both from the Subcontinent and the Arab world, is that the condition of having a Muslim ruler (sultan) in order to establish the Friday prayer is not a condition in of itself; rather, a means to ensure that there is no dispute regarding the establishment of the Friday prayer.
    The renowned Hanafi Jurist (faqih), Imam al-Kasani (Allah have mercy on him) explains in his Bada’i al-Sana’i that the condition of having the Sultan’s permission is to avoid any possible disputes and arguments, because the Friday (jumu’a) prayer is offered in a large congregating and to lead such a massive congregation in prayer is indeed a great privilege; hence, it may lead those who like to be in the limelight into competing and arguing with one another to acquire the post of leading the Friday prayer. For this reason, appointing the right person to lead the Friday prayer was left to the discretion of the Sultan, so that he may appoint whomever he feels fit for this esteemed position. As a result, there would be no dispute, for others would be forced into obeying the Sultan and may even fear his punishment. (Bada’i al-Sana’i, 1/261)
    He further states that the above is when the Sultan or his representative is present. However, if the Sultan was not able to attend for one reason or another and the time of Jumu’a Salat came in, then there is nothing wrong in the congregation uniting in the appointment of an Imam and praying behind him. This is supported by what Imam Muhammad has narrated that when Sayyiduna Uthman (Allah be pleased with him) was surrounded by the enemies, people appointed Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) to lead them in the Friday prayer. (ibid)
    In light of the above explanation and in light of the explanation given by many other jurists, it is not a condition of the Friday prayer that it be performed in a Muslim land. In the absence of a Sultan or a Muslim ruler, it is completely permissible for the Muslims to choose someone to lead the Friday prayer and such a Friday prayer would be considered valid.
    When the Friday prayer is considered valid, it becomes obligatory upon each and every Muslim male
    to attend the prayer unless there is a dire and genuine excuse. Missing the Friday prayer without a legally accepted excuse would be extremely sinful.
    Allah Most High says:
    “O you who believe! When the call for Friday prayer is made, hasten towards the remembrance of Allah (Prayer and Khutba) and leave all transactions. This is best for you if you know.” (Sura al-Jumu’a, V: 9)
    The above is the position of most contemporary Ulama. What you have been told regarding the Syrian Hanafi position, it is incorrect; rather, many top Syrian Ulama concur with the position of the Subcontinent Fuqaha, in that the Friday prayer is obligatory even in the West. I myself once heard Shaykh Muhammad Sa’id Ramadhan al-Buti (Allah preserve him) refuting quite vigorously the isolated position of Jumu’a not being obligatory in the West.
    Hence, your brother will be doing the right thing by looking for an alternative job if he is unable to offer his Jumu’a prayer at his current post. It will not be permitted to take up a career where one is regularly unable to offer one’s Friday prayer, even in the West.
    And Allah knows best
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    Darul Iftaa
    Leicester, UK
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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by Peacenik View Post


    Yes, that's the correct method; and as far as I'm aware, you can read both Sunnah and Nafil at home (but insha'Allah more reward if you read them in the Masjid).
    When reading the 1st 4 rakha is that gair Mokkada means optional and after 2 farz I read 4 sunnah again and then 2sunnah .. And 2nafl
    Can these be read at home. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Abu.Rambo. View Post
    I've heard Ulema there do the same, they pray their dhurh + juma.
    I live in Pakistan & people pray only Jummah + Sunnah. The only I've seen who offer 4 fard after Jummah are some Brailvees.

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    I have a question. I should probably make a separate thread for this but can anyone tell me what after prayer tasbeeh to do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peacenik View Post


    Yes, that's the correct method; and as far as I'm aware, you can read both Sunnah and Nafil at home (but insha'Allah more reward if you read them in the Masjid).
    I was told by the Imam that reading Sunnah Salah (after Fardh) at home is more rewarding.

    If I am not mistaken, There are authentic Ahadith stating that we should pray it at home,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Hassan View Post
    I live in Pakistan & people pray only Jummah + Sunnah. The only I've seen who offer 4 fard after Jummah are some Brailvees.
    Thats correct bro, but we should pray 2 Rakaah Sunnah upon entering the Mosque as per the Ahadith.

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by Peacenik View Post


    and as far as I'm aware, you can read both Sunnah and Nafil at home (but insha'Allah more reward if you read them in the Masjid).
    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    I was told by the Imam that reading Sunnah Salah (after Fardh) at home is more rewarding.

    If I am not mistaken, There are authentic Ahadith stating that we should pray it at home,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peacenik View Post
    Brother, if you were to read at home, the entire Salaat would be Zuhr; it would only be Jummah at the Masjid.

    And not too sure whether the Sunnahs after the 2 Fard are 'mokada'; Nafil are entirely optional.
    After 2 Farz with the imaam.

    The sunnahs are Mokadda... is that correct?

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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by .Abu.Rambo. View Post
    mash'Allah.


    I've been taught that Juma Prayer is not valid in a non Muslim Country, but is still prayed so we keep the importance of the day [correct me If I'm wrong insh'Allah]

    so the 4 Rakahs after Juma prayer are actually 4 Farz of Salatul Dhurh... I can't remember the maslah however I can clarify for tomorrow or monday iA.
    akh, thats some very wrong teaching your getting, and no the 4 raka'ah after Jumu'ah is not Fard of Duhr. Seems like akh al-ghazalli has sheded more light on this.

    Also if Im not mistaken the Prophet would pray 2 raka'ah after jumu'ah in the masjid and if at home, then 4 raka'ah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil al-Mamluk View Post
    salat ul juma isnt done at home. the sunnah prayers can be prayed at home.
    Praying Jummah at home is Zhur Namaz

    4 Sunnat Mokadda
    4 Farz
    2 Sunnah Mokadda
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    Re: Jummah prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by Mo786 View Post
    4 Sunnat Mokadda
    4 Farz
    2 Sunnah Mokadda
    2 Nafk
    What does "Mokadda" mean brother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al-Ghuraba View Post
    What does "Mokadda" mean brother?

    mokadda means emphasized sunnah i.e. something that the prophet pbuh always did.

    ghair mokadda means its a sunnah but not as strongly emphasized. Only Asr and isha the 1st 4 sunnah gair Mokkada are optional
    Correct me if I'm wrong


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