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    Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    I have had a discussion with a Muslim friend of mine about this. He tells me that the Qur'an makes it clear that even if one lives a good life, helping to improve the world, they would still go to Hell for eternity.

    I have a problem with this.

    Are all the Native Americans who never even heard the word Islam, burning in Hell? Are the North Koreans who are brainwashed from childhood to believe that Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il are basically deities destined for Hell?

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Are all the Native Americans who never even heard the word Islam, burning in Hell? Are the North Koreans who are brainwashed from childhood to believe that Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il are basically deities destined for Hell?
    I have read that people who haven't heard the message of Islam would not be punished with hell (or would be tested -in some way or form- on the day of judgement itself).

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    For those who didn't hear the call to Islam, their judgment it's in the hereafter.

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by LoveEveryone View Post
    I have had a discussion with a Muslim friend of mine about this. He tells me that the Qur'an makes it clear that even if one lives a good life, helping to improve the world, they would still go to Hell for eternity.

    I have a problem with this.

    Are all the Native Americans who never even heard the word Islam, burning in Hell? Are the North Koreans who are brainwashed from childhood to believe that Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il are basically deities destined for Hell?
    it is a very dangerous position to try to "out think" Allah

    we had quite a few muslims here who lost their islam over such discussions

    sufficient that Allah has created us and He is not unjust to any of His servants.

    we should focus on the things in front of us, not theoretical concepts that we cannot comprehend
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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by LoveEveryone View Post
    I have had a discussion with a Muslim friend of mine about this. He tells me that the Qur'an makes it clear that even if one lives a good life, helping to improve the world, they would still go to Hell for eternity.

    I have a problem with this.
    every sensible person has a problem with similar issues

    a just God will not commit injustice -this is the obvious basic concept

    it follows also that all persons will be judged on their own merits

    in my opinion, sincere and honest people, whatever their beliefs, have of course nothing to fear from a just God

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by gariba View Post
    every sensible person has a problem with similar issues

    a just God will not commit injustice -this is the obvious basic concept

    it follows also that all persons will be judged on their own merits

    in my opinion, sincere and honest people, whatever their beliefs, have of course nothing to fear from a just God
    a just God gives mankind guidance, and a just God makes sure that guidance is understandable to all man, and if MAN decides to reject that guidance, a just God will do as He said he would do, because a just God is not a liar
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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by LoveEveryone View Post
    I have had a discussion with a Muslim friend of mine about this. He tells me that the Qur'an makes it clear that even if one lives a good life, helping to improve the world, they would still go to Hell for eternity.

    I have a problem with this.

    Are all the Native Americans who never even heard the word Islam, burning in Hell? Are the North Koreans who are brainwashed from childhood to believe that Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il are basically deities destined for Hell?
    Hi, nice to see you posting here.


    The answer is simple: If someone has never heard the true message of islam, than Islam tells us that Allah will deal with them separately on the Last Day.

    However, if you have heard of islam and it's message, then it is your responsibility to look into it's proofs. As I have learned more about Islam, I have realized this is really the truth of life, and it has given a purpose to human beings. We are not simply born to die, rather we must use this short time we have in submission to our Creator.
    If you have any questions feel free to PM me!

    Humililty, Sincerity, and the quest for Truth. There is no purpose in life but to seek the pleasure of Allah.
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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    A lot of non-Muslim (athiests) try to get at Islam by saying that its unfair that non-Muslims go to hell. Whats funny is that these people technically do not even believe that hell exists yet they are so concerned that their going there, lol ironic!
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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak View Post
    a just God gives mankind guidance, and a just God makes sure that guidance is understandable to all man, and if MAN decides to reject that guidance, a just God will do as He said he would do, because a just God is not a liar
    as long as you are upright and sincere, you have nothing to fear from God

    in your opinion, of course, this means you will become a Muslim

    in my opinion, it doesn't necessarily mean that at all

    so, it's just a difference of opinion

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by gariba View Post
    as long as you are upright and sincere, you have nothing to fear from God

    in your opinion, of course, this means you will become a Muslim

    in my opinion, it doesn't necessarily mean that at all

    so, it's just a difference of opinion

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    what does it mean to you?
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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    According to Imam Ghazali, if the message of Islam is distorted (like how it is today, with so many non practicing muslims), the non-muslims may be excused in the Day of judgement.

    Though, Imam Ghazali is widely discredited by the Contemporary so called Salafs.

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    According to Imam Ghazali, if the message of Islam is distorted (like how it is today, with so many non practicing muslims), the non-muslims may be excused in the Day of judgement.
    This is correct and according to Ashari school, the one who never heard the message of Islam will not be punished, they will be excused on the Day of Judgement.

    every sensible person has a problem with similar issues
    a just God will not commit injustice -this is the obvious basic concept
    As for this philosophical question our mutakallimīn (scholars of theology) answered this by stating: that they reject the notion that justice is known intuitively and that the ethical attributes of acts are ontologically determined. They argue that justice and goodness can only be determined through the divine commands revealed to humanity. They state further that justice and injustice cannot be known through `aql alone because people disagree about what is just, it cannot be said that humans have intuitive knowledge of what is good and just.

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    It is not in our place to condemn anyone in particular to hell. That said, kafir refers to people who have been presented the truth and rejected it. So people who have never even heard of Islam then they will be excused, someone who is not of sound mind will be excused, there may be more that I don't know of.

    Please read this article http://sandala.org/wp-content/upload...sbelievers.pdf

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak View Post
    what does it mean to you?
    you have only one brain, and one conscience. You simply do your best and explore reality.

    so, you examine the world, you read, you speak, you experience, you interact with your environment, then you draw conclusions. These conclusions you can also change, based on different experiences you have later in life, etc

    with regard to religion, many people draw different conclusions, and subscribe (with different degrees of conviction) to widely diverging sets of beliefs

    does this mean that there is no truth in religions, and that they are all equivalent ? no of course

    but it means that there is no sort of "privileged religious highway" where all people will converge, if they are not idiots or dishonest. On the contrary, people, based on their particular environment and experiences, will reach in fact widely different conclusions, and this is something we have all witnessed.

    the idea that any honest and intelligent person will automatically convert to Islam, once he is familiarized with it, is a strange idea which, in my experience, lacks any sort of evidence for it

    this idea is, in fact, quite offensive for non-muslims : if, as a non-muslim with an interest in Islam, you don't eventually convert after learning about it, you will automatically be considered as either dishonest or idiotic

    this is, in itself, not only offensive but downright dangerous : it depicts (well-informed) non-muslims as automatically dishonest or even evil. This distorted image can have then very serious consequences, in fostering hostility and contempt

    And this is the main obstacle in having a dialogue between muslims and non-muslims : where hostility and disrespect set in, and prejudices prevail (the perverted, dishonest kuffar vs. the medieval, terrorist muslims) any possibility for a dialogue disappears rapidly

    In fact, I don't think that, on this particular forum, many muslims are interested in a real dialogue; rather they aim to "instruct" those "ignorant kuffar" , and then they sound surprised if the "ignorant kuffar" don't accept their "superior knowledge"

    In fact, I don't think that you, in particular, are interested in a dialogue at all: you think you possess the truth (because you know exactly what God wants from us) and that honest, upright people should simply recognize this basic reality

    in my humble opinion, you are severely deluded : but I am sure you think the same about me.

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hulk View Post
    It is not in our place to condemn anyone in particular to hell. That said, kafir refers to people who have been presented the truth and rejected it. So people who have never even heard of Islam then they will be excused, someone who is not of sound mind will be excused, there may be more that I don't know of.

    Please read this article http://sandala.org/wp-content/upload...sbelievers.pdf

    Allahualam
    Correct,

    And to add, the truth is not just a simple message. It is a message with practicle examples. As of today, muslims are in such a bad state that we are making people run away from Islam. If a non muslim receives a distorted message of Islam, he may be excused in the day of judgement. Imam Ghazali mentions this in his book, Fayasl al-tafriqa bayn al-Islam wa-l-zandaqa (The Criterion of Distinction between Islam and Clandestine Unbelief)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Due2MyWeakness View Post
    Correct,

    And to add, the truth is not just a simple message. It is a message with practicle examples. As of today, muslims are in such a bad state that we are making people run away from Islam. If a non muslim receives a distorted message of Islam, he may be excused in the day of judgement. Imam Ghazali mentions this in his book, Fayasl al-tafriqa bayn al-Islam wa-l-zandaqa (The Criterion of Distinction between Islam and Clandestine Unbelief)
    except one small fact

    islam is growing now faster than ever, in spite of the war against muslims, in spite of hundreds of anti-islam preachers and in spite of the excuses you mentioned

    this is Allah's deen and Allah will bring into whoever, whenever He pleases, it is not upon us to do anything except remind and warn the people, as for ourselves, we must all take into account our actions and intentions before we enter the grave
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    Quote Originally Posted by gariba View Post
    you have only one brain, and one conscience. You simply do your best and explore reality.

    so, you examine the world, you read, you speak, you experience, you interact with your environment, then you draw conclusions. These conclusions you can also change, based on different experiences you have later in life, etc

    with regard to religion, many people draw different conclusions, and subscribe (with different degrees of conviction) to widely diverging sets of beliefs

    does this mean that there is no truth in religions, and that they are all equivalent ? no of course

    but it means that there is no sort of "privileged religious highway" where all people will converge, if they are not idiots or dishonest. On the contrary, people, based on their particular environment and experiences, will reach in fact widely different conclusions, and this is something we have all witnessed.

    the idea that any honest and intelligent person will automatically convert to Islam, once he is familiarized with it, is a strange idea which, in my experience, lacks any sort of evidence for it

    this idea is, in fact, quite offensive for non-muslims : if, as a non-muslim with an interest in Islam, you don't eventually convert after learning about it, you will automatically be considered as either dishonest or idiotic

    this is, in itself, not only offensive but downright dangerous : it depicts (well-informed) non-muslims as automatically dishonest or even evil. This distorted image can have then very serious consequences, in fostering hostility and contempt

    And this is the main obstacle in having a dialogue between muslims and non-muslims : where hostility and disrespect set in, and prejudices prevail (the perverted, dishonest kuffar vs. the medieval, terrorist muslims) any possibility for a dialogue disappears rapidly

    In fact, I don't think that, on this particular forum, many muslims are interested in a real dialogue; rather they aim to "instruct" those "ignorant kuffar" , and then they sound surprised if the "ignorant kuffar" don't accept their "superior knowledge"

    In fact, I don't think that you, in particular, are interested in a dialogue at all: you think you possess the truth (because you know exactly what God wants from us) and that honest, upright people should simply recognize this basic reality

    in my humble opinion, you are severely deluded : but I am sure you think the same about me.

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    not too much humble in your opinion, but answer this

    your layout sounds fine for YOU, but what about society at large, you are not the end or the beginning of anything but yourself, however society demands laws, and knowledge of right and wrong, are you only concerned about your thoughts and emotions and leave off everyone else

    seems like your program of solution is very limited, if it is even a program of solution, if not, then why share it with anyone else

    man is going to follow a way, whatever that way may be, communism, socialism, darwinism, or whatever other isms man can think of

    good news is that he doesnt have to, Allah has already laid out the way
    bad news, even if islam is perfect in every aspect, man will still choose to follow other ways

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    When the day started, you must have thought you will obey as you wished but in accordance to peace and harmony with others be it your neighbor or anyone else.But you had the position that you will not accept Islam.And on the time of judgment you will be passed by because you did good.

    But to me it does not make sense.As you don't believe in hell and heaven.But you are concerned about it.We Muslims know that we have to answer of what we did on that day.But I don't think you believe in such, then if you do.Then why not accept Islam when you are half way through accepting Islam.

    A human whom the message of Allah did not came are just like animals.Such as those people who used to live on high mountains and they passed by before the message of Allah could come to them.Their judgment is left in the hands of Allah.As they did accordingly what their conscious told them to do.And animals also have conscious i.e. if you put a meat to a goat and ask him to eat.He will never eat it.This is conscious gifted by Allah.

    Where as those people to whom the message of Allah came down.Their decision and action is judged.Accordingly they are given punishment or reward.It is important to understand that when we hear the word of Allah and if we deny it.Then it is sin in itself and that will be asked on the day of judgment.This denial is the reason for the non-muslim to go to hell.
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    If you had been able to say the Arabic words "Muslim" and "Islam" to Jesus in his time, he probably wouldn't have understood what you were talking about. He wasn't a muslim in name, but that didn't mean he wasn't a muslim in truth. Truth acknowledged by people that may not call themselves "Muslims" is still the truth. Allah will know best about what they received or didn't receive or what they deserve and what they don't deserve. People pretend they can make the judgements for themselves and they pretend they can read hearts and minds, and judge whether the truth reaches these people or not; but their knowledge is but a speck compared to the breadth of how much there is to know and the possibilities of truth getting to someone is a lot greater than you may be understanding, and the possibilities of Allah/God have mercy is much greater than your understanding. Therefore no one should say that all non-muslims are going to hell, because many very good people that are called "non-muslims" might have converged on the truth, and many that are called "muslims" might have deviated from the truth. Only Allah/God will be able to know for sure.

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    If you had been able to say the Arabic words "Muslim" and "Islam" to Jesus in his time, he probably wouldn't have understood what you were talking about. He wasn't a muslim in name, but that didn't mean he wasn't a muslim in truth. Truth acknowledged by people that may not call themselves "Muslims" is still the truth. Allah will know best about what they received or didn't receive or what they deserve and what they don't deserve. People pretend they can make the judgements for themselves and they pretend they can read hearts and minds, and judge whether the truth reaches these people or not; but their knowledge is but a speck compared to the breadth of how much there is to know and the possibilities of truth getting to someone is a lot greater than you may be understanding, and the possibilities of Allah/God have mercy is much greater than your understanding. Therefore no one should say that all non-muslims are going to hell, because many very good people that are called "non-muslims" might have converged on the truth, and many that are called "muslims" might have deviated from the truth. Only Allah/God will be able to know for sure.
    if a kafir accepts Islam, he is no longer a kafir

    Allah says, if He sees any good in them, He guides them to Islam
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pen View Post
    If you had been able to say the Arabic words "Muslim" and "Islam" to Jesus in his time, he probably wouldn't have understood what you were talking about. He wasn't a muslim in name, but that didn't mean he wasn't a muslim in truth. Truth acknowledged by people that may not call themselves "Muslims" is still the truth. Allah will know best about what they received or didn't receive or what they deserve and what they don't deserve. People pretend they can make the judgements for themselves and they pretend they can read hearts and minds, and judge whether the truth reaches these people or not; but their knowledge is but a speck compared to the breadth of how much there is to know and the possibilities of truth getting to someone is a lot greater than you may be understanding, and the possibilities of Allah/God have mercy is much greater than your understanding. Therefore no one should say that all non-muslims are going to hell, because many very good people that are called "non-muslims" might have converged on the truth, and many that are called "muslims" might have deviated from the truth. Only Allah/God will be able to know for sure.
    Syedinna Isaah alaihisalaam (Jesus) knew who are muslims and Islam.In fact all messengers of knew Islam and muslims.
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    your layout sounds fine for YOU, but what about society at large, you are not the end or the beginning of anything but yourself, however society demands laws, and knowledge of right and wrong, are you only concerned about your thoughts and emotions and leave off everyone else

    seems like your program of solution is very limited, if it is even a program of solution, if not, then why share it with anyone else
    why should I have a solution for the world's problems ? I am not so ambitious. I try to live my life without doing too much harm, and this is already quite something. In any case, each society works out a set of laws, for the better or for the worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak View Post
    man is going to follow a way, whatever that way may be, communism, socialism, darwinism, or whatever other isms man can think of
    why should there be a "global solution" at all ? life and the Universe are a mistery, and each person searches for his way. Global theories are just attempts at finding logic in what does not necessarily have one.
    In any case, even global theories are then interpreted differently by each person.

    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak View Post
    good news is that he doesnt have to, Allah has already laid out the way
    bad news, even if islam is perfect in every aspect, man will still choose to follow other ways
    to this, I will simply repeat what I said in my previous post :

    Quote Originally Posted by gariba
    I don't think that you, in particular, are interested in a dialogue at all: you think you possess the truth (because you know exactly what God wants from us) and that honest, upright people should simply recognize this basic reality

    in my humble opinion, you are severely deluded : but I am sure you think the same about me.
    You can see, even simply from this forum, how diverse opinions are on life and religion, even among Muslims themselves (who, by the way, seem to spend most of their time discussing how to push other Muslims "out of the fold of Islam")

    This diversity may seem as chaos, but in my view it corresponds simply to a very reassuring fact : i.e. that we humans enjoy our individuality, and that "one size fits all" does not work, and least of all when the ultimate questions about life and the Universe are concerned.

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

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    if a kafir accepts Islam, he is no longer a kafir

    Allah says, if He sees any good in them, He guides them to Islam
    OK

    so, since Allah has not guided me, it means I'm a bad person.

    Makes sense.

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    OK

    so, since Allah has not guided me, it means I'm a bad person.

    Makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMubarak View Post
    this is your soul you are playing with
    I'm not playing at all

    I have explained my position very clearly

    that's all

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    Quote Originally Posted by gariba View Post
    OK

    so, since Allah has not guided me, it means I'm a bad person.

    Makes sense.
    Allah shows guidance to the person who wishes for it.

    Do you really wish for the guidance?
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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by gariba View Post
    OK

    so, since Allah has not guided me, it means I'm a bad person.

    Makes sense.
    Hopefully at least one Non-Muslims who can see tha folly of caliming to be "Good" Non-Muslims ... (self-contradictory)

    Good and Evil is defined by Allah ta'ala, not the Kuffars whims/desires ...

    those who who have Died as Non-Muslim have led a Life of Munkar, with No Repentance, as such Allah ta'ala has destined them to Jahannam.

    Brothers and sisters be aware that the Shaytaan will use such Illogical argumentation to create Doubt in your Imaan.

    Lastly Gariba If you are Not Guided by Allah ta'ala to Islam, then you are at fault ...

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    "Allah disdains not to use the similitude of things, lowest as well as highest. Those who believe know that it is truth from their Lord; but those who reject Faith say: "What means Allah by this similitude?" By it He causes many to stray, and many He leads into the right path; but He causes not to stray, except those who forsake (the path)"

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Due2MyWeakness View Post
    According to Imam Ghazali, if the message of Islam is distorted (like how it is today, with so many non practicing muslims), the non-muslims may be excused in the Day of judgement.

    Though, Imam Ghazali is widely discredited by the Contemporary so called Salafs.
    Another ignorant allegation of yours .

    Most Salafis ( Ahlus Sunnah ) regard Imam Ghazali to be a good Scholar though we donot make taqleed of him .

    A person who has never heard of Islam or the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and who has never heard the message in its correct and true form, will not be punished by Allaah if he dies in a state of kufr (disbelief). If it were asked what his fate will be, the answer will be that Allaah will test him on the Day of Resurrection: if he obeys, he will enter Paradise and if he disobeys he will enter Hell. The evidence (daleel) for this is the hadeeth of al-Aswad ibn Saree’, who reported that the Prophet of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are four (who will protest) to Allaah on the Day of Resurrection: the deaf man who never heard anything, the insane man, the very old man, and the man who died during the fatrah (the interval between the time of ‘Eesaa (Jesus, upon whom be peace) and the time of Muhammad SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)). The deaf man will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but I never heard anything.’ The insane man will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but the children ran after me and threw stones at me.’ The very old man will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but I did not understand anything.’ The man who died during the fatrah will say, ‘O Lord, no Messenger from You came to me.’ He will accept their promises of obedience, then word will be sent to them to enter the Fire. By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, if they enter it, it will be cool and safe for them.”

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmed_abdullah View Post
    Allah shows guidance to the person who wishes for it.

    Do you really wish for the guidance?
    what a strange question

    the world is a complex place, and human life is full of problems, suffering, etc

    who would refuse effective, positive guidance ? no one

    The idea that people, out of pride, arrogance etc doggedly insist on voluntarily burning in hellfire is absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
    Hopefully at least one Non-Muslims who can see tha folly of caliming to be "Good" Non-Muslims ... (self-contradictory)
    Raz, Raz.... as usual, you sound allergic to irony

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    Quote Originally Posted by gariba View Post
    what a strange question

    the world is a complex place, and human life is full of problems, suffering, etc

    who would refuse effective, positive guidance ? no one

    The idea that people, out of pride, arrogance etc doggedly insist on voluntarily burning in hellfire is absurd.
    It is not absurd at all. I know people like this myself. It is important to understand that pride is the overriding of rational thought due to belief that one is superior in some sense.

    Some people cannot see past their emotions. This is the choice they make.
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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by al-siddiq View Post
    It is not absurd at all. I know people like this myself. It is important to understand that pride is the overriding of rational thought due to belief that one is superior in some sense.

    Some people cannot see past their emotions. This is the choice they make.
    paradoxically, quite a few Muslims spend most of their time bragging about how they are so superior, how they are the best of peoples, how the kuffar are ignorant, perverted, unclean etc etc

    most likely, a case of pride overriding rational thought ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gariba View Post
    paradoxically, quite a few Muslims spend most of their time bragging about how they are so superior, how they are the best of peoples, how the kuffar are ignorant, perverted, unclean etc etc

    Most likely, a case of pride overriding rational thought ?
    Well a muslim who understands reality would never really brag, because they would understand that the power is with Allah and not the person. Even people in positions of authority do not have power except that as human beings we are deceived by the short term sights and not the long term consequences and so we perceive these people having power.

    The only one who has the right to be prideful is Allah, because we are all merely creation. No one who is muslim now is guaranteed to die as a muslim, nor is a nonmuslim guaranteed to die as a nonmuslim. So it would be foolish to be bragging because we have nothing to brag about.
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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by al-siddiq View Post
    Well a muslim who understands reality would never really brag
    so, what is all this nonsense about being "the best of peoples", and this contempt for the perverted, unclean kuffar ?

    If you really are the best (which, of course is as yet unproved) just act modest ... no exaggerated claims, no disparaging definitions...

    interact normally with people, and try to impress them with your moral qualities

    no insults, no "the kuffar are lower than fly poop" and similar absurdities

    then, perhaps, you would be taken more seriously by non-muslims

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    Quote Originally Posted by gariba View Post
    so, what is all this nonsense about being "the best of peoples", and this contempt for the perverted, unclean kuffar ?

    If you really are the best (which, of course is as yet unproved) just act modest ... no exaggerated claims, no disparaging definitions...

    interact normally with people, and try to impress them with your moral qualities

    no insults, no "the kuffar are lower than fly poop" and similar absurdities

    then, perhaps, you would be taken more seriously by non-muslims
    gariba, every muslim here knows that at a moments notice, Allah could decree they become UN-guided, hence one of the reasons we pray salat five times a day, within that salat, as beseech our Lord to keep us guided on the path

    however, as the book of Allah clearly states, we are not to be ashamed of our worship of Allah, and that Allah has decreed ANYONE who believes in Him as the best of mankind, because they pray and enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong

    what you are confusing is confidence in our Lord and His guidance with arrogance. anyone who was created out of murky fluid has nothing to be PROUD about, because in the end, we all will return to the dirt
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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by gariba View Post
    so, what is all this nonsense about being "the best of peoples", and this contempt for the perverted, unclean kuffar ?

    If you really are the best (which, of course is as yet unproved) just act modest ... no exaggerated claims, no disparaging definitions...

    interact normally with people, and try to impress them with your moral qualities

    no insults, no "the kuffar are lower than fly poop" and similar absurdities

    then, perhaps, you would be taken more seriously by non-muslims
    This seems to be an issue of your interaction with muslims who are not where you want them to be in terms of their personality traits, and not an issue of islam.

    I mean it should be very clear from studying the islamic texts that moral qualities naturally would sprout as a result of correct understanding of islam. If there are mistakes with the personalities of some muslims you met, then that is a problem with their understand, not with islam.

    And this same idea applies not just to muslims, but to any person. There are many people who think they are better than others, and this trait in my experience is more prominent in nonmuslims than muslims. Again this is not really the discussion, if we see a problem we kindly address it, without sarcastic and indirectly insulting remarks =).

    Nontheless, as a muslim for me the greatest insult would be someone disbelieving in the very Creator that created them. And as a patient person, I kindly and calmly show them the correct point of view. If they choose to reject this after clear proofs, then this is plain ignorance and arrogance.
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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    I would like to mention a very important point here.

    Hadhrat Ubayy ibn ka'b radhiallaahu 'anhu said: "If Allaah were to punish the inmates of His heaven and the inmates of His earth, then He could do so and He would not be unjust to them, and if He were to show mercy to them, then His mercy is better for them than their deeds............" And he went further to say "And if you die upon a belief other than this, then you will enter the fire"

    The same was narrated from ibn mas'ood and hudhayfah radhiallaahu 'anhumaa, and zayd ibn thaabit radhiallaahu 'anhu narrated it from Rasoolullaah Sallallaahu 'Alayhi Wa Sallam.

    And it is reported in abu daawood.

    What people fail to realise is that Allaah created everyone and everything, and Allaah can do with His creation what He wishes, so how can Allaah be unjust?




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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by al-siddiq View Post
    as a muslim for me the greatest insult would be someone disbelieving in the very Creator that created them. And as a patient person, I kindly and calmly show them the correct point of view. If they choose to reject this after clear proofs, then this is plain ignorance and arrogance.
    so, if a person disagrees with you, this means that, necessarily, he is both ignorant and arrogant...

    this person would be perfectly justified in thinking exactly the same about you

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    Re: Do all non-Muslims go to Hell?

    Quote Originally Posted by al-siddiq View Post
    There are many people who think they are better than others, and this trait in my experience is more prominent in nonmuslims than muslims.
    disagree
    in my experience, religion has absolutely no influence on this


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