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    Question Pir in islam

    Salaam u alaikum

    A very good friend of mine were having a discussion and he was arguing that believing in good "Pir" and to a limit is halal. Not the ones who ask for money etc. I would like to know if this is true. What are your opinions on this? Thank you

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    Re: Pir in islam

    There's nowt wrong with Piri Piri sauce. Make sure you check the ingredients of the sauce do not go against the Quran and Sunnah. If they do then chuck it out with the garbage.

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    Re: Pir in islam

    Do you mean beliveing that if they make duaa for you it's more likely to be accepted?

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    Re: Pir in islam

    Please give me the reply for if I say yes and no lol

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    Re: Pir in islam


    Depends on what he is doing, I guess. Some do really crazy shirk-related stuff, using astrology/stars and things like that.

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    Re: Pir in islam

    Quote Originally Posted by x--x View Post
    Do you mean beliveing that if they make duaa for you it's more likely to be accepted?
    Please give me thw reply for if I say yes and no lol

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    Re: Pir in islam

    Pir or Wali-Ullah ... Wali means friend, so if they are true, they are friends of Allah.

    about Hazrat Awais Qarni (Rhmt.Alh), Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W.W) said,

    "there is one man, if he swears to Allah about anything, Allah will make it true"

    Hazrat Awais Qarni (Rhmt.Alh) was from Yemen. He could not see Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W.W) because His mother was very ill and he could not leave her alone, and Hazrat Muhamamd (S.A.W.W) said that He could smell the scent of His friend.

    Allah befriend those people who are unknown to everyone. Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W.W) said about Him that no doubt no one known him in this world, but he is very famous in the skies.

    Now there are some types of believe, in which sense one believe pir? If one thinks that pir is everything and seek from pir what we must seek from Allah, that is wrong. because Allah is ultimate Power. If you believe on pir that he is a noble man and it gives you motivation of becoming more strong in Eemaan, then it is ok.

    I dont know much more about these things..... but i tried to tell you what i knew at my best. Allah knows everything.

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    Re: Pir in islam

    In pakistan , pirs are nothing but fake ... heck i even know a pir that doesnt pray cause he has some 'spritual superiority'




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    Re: Pir in islam

    When you use the word He, are you saying there is only one of these people to ever exist? or can there be many of them? jazak'allah

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    pir is just a nonsense from the culture of the mushrikeen.
    "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

    The Prophet said:

    "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

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    The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


    "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

    By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

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    Re: Pir in islam

    Pir pressure.

    It can get to people.
    'Nor say of anything,"I shall be sure to do so and so tomorrow" without adding, " if Allah (SWT) Wills" (18:23-24)

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    Re: Pir in islam

    Quote Originally Posted by h.k View Post
    Salaam u alaikum

    A very good friend of mine were having a discussion and he was arguing that believing in good "Pir" and to a limit is halal. Not the ones who ask for money etc. I would like to know if this is true. What are your opinions on this? Thank you
    Wa'laykum Salam.
    Please see this article for a balanced understanding of the issue:

    http://drabutamim.blogspot.com/2011/07/need-for-shaykh.html

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    Depends , there are Genuine Awliyaa and Saaliheen and their are fake ones .

    You will know them by a simple trait , that they never say I am Waliy .

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    Re: Pir in islam

    Quote Originally Posted by h.k View Post
    Salaam u alaikum

    A very good friend of mine were having a discussion and he was arguing that believing in good "Pir" and to a limit is halal.
    If the Pir is a Vulcan then he's ok, otherwise he isnae
    Logic is the cement of our civilisation, with which we ascend from chaos, using reason and faith in Allah as our guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munnibhai View Post
    Pir or Wali-Ullah ... Wali means friend, so if they are true, they are friends of Allah.

    about Hazrat Awais Qarni (Rhmt.Alh), Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W.W) said,

    "there is one man, if he swears to Allah about anything, Allah will make it true"

    Hazrat Awais Qarni (Rhmt.Alh) was from Yemen. He could not see Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W.W) because His mother was very ill and he could not leave her alone, and Hazrat Muhamamd (S.A.W.W) said that He could smell the scent of His friend.

    Allah befriend those people who are unknown to everyone. Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W.W) said about Him that no doubt no one known him in this world, but he is very famous in the skies.

    Now there are some types of believe, in which sense one believe pir? If one thinks that pir is everything and seek from pir what we must seek from Allah, that is wrong. because Allah is ultimate Power. If you believe on pir that he is a noble man and it gives you motivation of becoming more strong in Eemaan, then it is ok.

    I dont know much more about these things..... but i tried to tell you what i knew at my best. Allah knows everything.

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    Re: Pir in islam

    Quote Originally Posted by LondoMollari View Post
    If the Pir is a Vulcan then he's ok, otherwise he isnae
    what's a vulcan?

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    Re: Pir in islam

    Watch out for those pirs who think the shairah doesnt apply to them, like they themselves dont pray,fast etc and they tell their students to not pray as well.

    You find many of these are pakistani/indian.
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    The death of the heart is ignorance; so avoid it.
    Your best provision is true devotion; so provide it.
    This advice of mine is enough for you; so heed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abu_tamim View Post
    what's a vulcan?
    click here
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    SubhanAllah whenever i read anything to do with this stuff the first thing that comes to mind is the leader of the naqshabandi sufi order and the disturbing stuff on his website http://www.sheiknazim.com/

    So sad to think that so many people are misguided by these people and strive to attain the pleasure of their shaykhs and his awliyah squad rather then seek to strive the pleasure of Allah azz wa jall. depressing.

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    There are good Huffaaz and corrupt Huffaaz.

    There are good Ulama and corrupt Ulama.

    There are good Peers and corrupt Peers.

    If you find a Righteous Peer then cling to him because his company is better than gold.
    Rajab is a month of cultivation, Shaban is month of irrigating the fields, and the month of Ramadhan is a month of reaping and harvesting.”

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    Re: Pir in islam

    Quote Originally Posted by LondoMollari View Post
    If the Pir is a Vulcan then he's ok, otherwise he isnae
    Quote Originally Posted by abu_tamim View Post
    what's a vulcan?
    I know what a vulcan is, what is a pir?

    yes I've heard the term enough times, but what actually is one? What do they do that ordinary Muslims can't do for themselves?





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    Re: Pir in islam

    Quote Originally Posted by dhakiyya View Post
    I know what a vulcan is, what is a pir?

    yes I've heard the term enough times, but what actually is one? What do they do that ordinary Muslims can't do for themselves?
    they make better halwa than any1 else in the world without touching any of the ingredients.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dhakiyya View Post
    I know what a vulcan is, what is a pir?

    yes I've heard the term enough times, but what actually is one? What do they do that ordinary Muslims can't do for themselves?
    A Pir supposedly has a "Special Relationship" with Allah s.w.t. which exceeds those of ordinary Muslims, but sadly a large percentage of them are con-artists.

    As for the rest, well, if ye're pious enough and pay attention to all the Sunnahs and Hadiths the you can be a Pir too!
    Logic is the cement of our civilisation, with which we ascend from chaos, using reason and faith in Allah as our guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamson View Post
    SubhanAllah whenever i read anything to do with this stuff the first thing that comes to mind is the leader of the naqshabandi sufi order and the disturbing stuff on his website http://www.sheiknazim.com/

    So sad to think that so many people are misguided by these people and strive to attain the pleasure of their shaykhs and his awliyah squad rather then seek to strive the pleasure of Allah azz wa jall. depressing.
    This guy has apparently transported people to different galaxies

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    A real awliyah of Allah(swt) wouldnt be dropping leaflets and making money out of it and infact hardly any1 would know him. He wouldnt act special infront of any1 like the so called 'saints' nowadays do with all their mureeds flocking to their spots and chanting dhikr as loudly as they can.




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    Re: Pir in islam

    Quote Originally Posted by Medievalist View Post
    There are good Huffaaz and corrupt Huffaaz.

    There are good Ulama and corrupt Ulama.

    There are good Peers and corrupt Peers.

    If you find a Righteous Peer then cling to him because his company is better than gold.
    Best comment so far, unlike some making fun of peers or calling peers to be from the mushrikeen.
    It's the month of Ramadan. Please answer to the point instead of sarcastic remarks.

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    If you are referring to having a Shaykh in Tasawwuf, then this is permissible. For more information please watch fadeelat ash-shaykh, Mufti Muhammad Ibn Adam al-Kawthari's video about this.

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    ولقد أحسن الحسن بن أبي زياد اللؤلؤي صاحب أبي حنيفة فيما بلغنا عنه أنه استفتي في مسألة فأخطأ فيها ولم يعرف الذي أفتاه فاكترى مناديا فنادى أن الحسن بن أبي زياد استفتي يوم كذا وكذا في مسألة فأخطأ فمن كان أفتاه الحسن بن أبي زياد بشيء فليرجع إليه
    فلبث أياما لا يفتي حتى وجد صاحب الفتوى فأعلمه أنه أخطأ وإن الصواب كذا وكذا والله أعلم

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    Quote Originally Posted by x--x View Post
    This guy has apparently transported people to different galaxies
    Yeh i know, I would have found it funny too but a very close friend of mine believes in all that rubbish and we had a massive fall out over it subhanAllah. So anything to do with this stuff upsets me even more than usual!

    Don't understand how how how it is that people can read some of the sheer kufr, shirk associated with these peoples speech and actions and fall for it. So upsetting.......


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