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View Poll Results: Which method/angle do you follow for dawn?

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    Question Calculation for Dawn/Subh Sadiq

    Which method/angle do you follow?

    There are varying opinions on when subh sadiq occurs: usually between 12-18 degrees.

    if you want to find out which method/angle your time table follows then go to this website:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/tools/calculator/

    Under optional extra, put a value between 12-18 in 'Sun's depression angle at Fajr'

    then match the timings according to your timetable.
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    Re: Calculation for Dawn/Subh Sadiq

    bump
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    Re: Calculation for Dawn/Subh Sadiq

    So does this mean that none of the 3 different timings are "wrong" even though some are saying they are? in our area different timings are used so im pretty confused!

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    Re: Calculation for Dawn/Subh Sadiq

    This calculator is way offfff for my area (West London).

    A variation of 12-18 degrees depression angle simply gives me a variation between 6:04-6:44am, totally wrong! should be 3:20am-3:40am...
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    Re: Calculation for Dawn/Subh Sadiq

    http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...%28AUG-2011%29

    View of Mufti Taqi Usmai Sahab

    Justice Mufti Muhammed Taqi Saheb DB Says That Darul Uloom Karachi's Subh Saadiq Times Are On 18 Degrees for Fajr & Suhoor
    Thursday, 25 August 2011 17:14
    (taken from wifaqul ulama website,http://www.wifaqululama.co.uk/home/1...-a-suhoor.html)


    This is a copy of a question sent via email by Moulana Hanif Dudhwala Saheb on the issue of Subh Sadiq. The answer is given by Justice Mufti Muhammed Taqi Saheb on the 16th of August 2011.

    From: 'Moulana Hanif Dudhwala'

    Sent: 16 August 2011 4:26 PM

    To: 'Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani'

    Subject: Suhoor & Fajar

    A.A.W.W., Hazrat Mufti Taqi Usmani Saheb, hope Ramadhan is going well, this is Hanif Dudhwala from Blackburn UK (your co traveller to Albania in 2006), sorry to disturb your busy schedule in Ramadhan but I thought this was a very important issue especially here in the UK at this time and wanted to make sure that your respectable name is not used for incorrect information, it is being claimed that Darul Uloom Karachi ends their suhoor on 18 degrees and prays their Fajar on 15 degrees, this claim is being attributed to yourself and widely circulated as can be seen on the website link below, I will really be very grateful if I could get a clarification from yourself which I can ( if you say) circulate on your behalf, jzk for your precious time and humble request for duas, W.S. Hanif Dudhwala – Blackburn UK

    http://www.hizbululama.org.uk/highli..._18_degree.pdf

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    From: 'Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani'

    Sent: 21 August 2011 11:21

    To: 'Moulana Hanif Dudhwala'

    Subject: RE: Suhoor & Fajar

    Dear Molana Hanif Sahab Assalamu alaikum

    Thanks very much for your email.

    There are some fundamental misunderstandings that have been narrated in the referenced article. The viewpoint of the scholars of Darul Uloom Karachi since the time of my honourable father, Hazrat Maulana Mufti Muhammad Shafee’ Sahab ﻰﻟﺎﻌﺗ ﷲ ﮫﻣﺣر, has been that Subh Saadiq commences when the sun reaches 18 degrees below the horizon, implying that Sehri ends at this time and it is totally impermissible to eat even a morsel after this time for one who is fasting. Similarly, it also implies that the time of Fajr Salah commences at this time, meaning that any person who performs his Fajr Salah at this time will not be required to repeat his Salah as it was performed validly in its time.

    Keeping this in mind, the practice in Ramadhan in Darul Uloom Karachi is that Suhoor ends at 18 degrees whilst the Adhan of Fajr is called out at after the sun reaches 15 degrees below the horizon. This is done on the basis of طﺎﯾﺗﺣا so as to enable practice on both the views of 18 and 15 degrees. This is in the same context as appears in numerous occasions in the classical texts of Fiqh, wherein a jurist regards practicing on a view which takes into consideration and reconciles between differing views, as better (and not as necessary) to practice upon even though it may be permissible according to that jurist to practice on the differing opinion. I hope this has clarified the misunderstanding.

    Wassalam

    Muhammad Taqi Usmani

    (taken from wifaqul ulama website, http://www.wifaqululama.co.uk/home/1...-a-suhoor.html)



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    Re: Calculation for Dawn/Subh Sadiq

    follow Deo ulama of subcontinent. 18 degrees.


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