Say Allah-Hafiz But Not Khuda-Hafiz

[Abu Suhayb]

Khuda is the Persian word for the idols which they worship, and Hafiz comes from the Arabic root word hifz meaning "protection". So literally, means "May the (Persian idols) be your Guardian." They worship these idols even presently in Iran and other places. And when you say Hafiz
(protect) with it, you mean May Khuda (the Persian idols) protect you.

So insha-allah lets stop saying as such, and instead say Allah Hafiz.

[.Hajar.]

saying as-salaamu 'alaikum is infinitely better!

i thought khuda just meant god..hmm

[ahmed_abdullah]

If i am not wrong in parsi then khuda= Khud- ah
Khud= by own
ah= exist.

Existing by own.

Kudah.

[ahmed_abdullah]

It is not wrong until you don't involve it in ibadah.

Like we say namaz, it is nothing wrong in it like we say worship.

Similairly some say god, there is nothing wrong in it.

But including it in ibadah is wrong.

[KeeKee]

regardless of what it means etc, its best not to say it, as there is no basis for saying it.
The Muslim greeting for which we are rewarded for saying is Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakaatuhu. there is no reward in saying khuda hafiz and allah hafiz, not to mention many people mutilate
even that to Khudafiz and allahfiz.

[Ibn Sina]

proof that khuda means idols or is an idol?

i think we have this debate every month

[Khalid b. Walid]

proof that khuda means idols or is an idol?

Wikipedia says this:

Khuda or Khoda ( خدا ) is the Persian word for "Lord" or "(monotheistic) God", formerly used of Ahura Mazda, today mostly of God in Islam by Persian speakers, and as a loanword also by speakers of Hindi and Urdu. The term is originally from a Middle Persian honorific.

The term derives from Middle Iranian xvatay, xwadag meaning "lord", "ruler", "master" (written as Parthian kwdy, Middle Persian kwdy, Sogdian kwdy, etc.). It is the Middle Iranian reflex of Avestan xva-dhata- "self-defined; autocrat", an epithet of Ahura Mazda.. Sanskrit has the cognate root noun sva-dhā "self-power, inherent power". The Pashto cognate is Khwdai (خدای).

Prosaic usage is found for example in the Sassanid title katak-xvatay to denote the head of a clan or extended household, or in the title of the 6th century Khwaday Namag "Book of lords", from which the tales of Kayanian kings as found in the Shahnameh ("Book of kings") derive.

[ahmed_abdullah]

proof that khuda means idols or is an idol?

Never heard of it before though.

Yes the reward we have for saying assalamualaikum is far better than, but i believe saying when leaving is not prescribed for us.But when you meet someone , before starting a conversation one has to say it isn't it, like not at disclosing or at the end?

[KeeKee]

When leaving you can say Assalamu Alaikum again, or Fi Aman Allah.

[Abu Suhayb]

saying as-salaamu 'alaikum is infinitely better!

i thought khuda just meant god..hmm

yeah its the name for the idols, its attributed to the idols. So in effect the say the idols are their Khuda (god).

[Ibn Sina]

When leaving you can say Assalamu Alaikum again, or Fi Aman Allah.

and what is the basis of saying "Fi Aman Allah"?

[ahmed_abdullah]

yeah its the name for the idols, its attributed to the idols. So in effect the say the idols are their Khuda (god).

Idols are made by hand, how can one attribute the word khuda to idols is out of agreement.

[Medievalist]

interesting thread.

Khuda hafiz

[ahmed_abdullah]

interesting thread.

Khuda hafiz

LOL..hahaha..

[Abu Suhayb]

The worshippers of fire in Persian used mainly, Its not wrong to say Allah hafiz. coz like i said hafiz is from the arabic word hifz meaning protection, so by say Allah isntead of khuda in addition to hafiz it would be May Allah protect u.

[KeeKee]

as far as i know it doesn't have a basis, simply its saying 'i leave you in the trust of Allah.' i was replying to ahmed_abdullah's post on what to say when leaving someone.
or also when leaving someone or if someone is going away there is the dua Astawdi'Allaha Deenaka wa Amaanataka Wa Khawateema Wa Amalika.

and what is the basis of saying "Fi Aman Allah"?

[Ibn Sina]

interesting thread.

Khuda hafiz

indeed .. seems like the word "khuda" etymologically means "self sustaining" or "self existent" similar to the attribut of Allah (swt) Al Qayyum ...

well khuda hafiz thread

[Abu Suhayb]

Some cultures like to say khuda-Hafiz others say Allah Hafiz this is just to make clear that it is wrong to say khuda-Hafiz, obviously asalaam walaykum is the best.

[ahmed_abdullah]

indeed .. seems like the word "khuda" etymologically means "self sustaining" or "self existent" similar to the attribut of Allah (swt) Al Qayyum ...

well khuda hafiz thread

Khuda hafiz

[Uthman Ibn Afan]

I always understood khuda to mean god
so if its wrong to use that word then its also wrong to use the english words 'god' & 'jesus' as both of those can be linked to beliefs of shirk.....

[.Hajar.]

yeah its the name for the idols, its attributed to the idols. So in effect the say the idols are their Khuda (god).

can you back that up with something sound please..

[Abu Suhayb]

I always understood khuda to mean god
so if its wrong to use that word then its also wrong to use the english words 'god' & 'jesus' as both of those can be linked to beliefs of shirk.....

Ur right

[Abu Suhayb]

can you back that up with something sound please..

The sheikh was giving a lecture on it yesterday I'll see if I can find something to back it up with, insha-Allah.

[Peacenik]

The same applies to the word 'namaaz'; that's also Persian.

Why don't people use the term ALLAH (SWT) Has Mentioned ? = Salaat ?

[Abu Mus'ab]

Firstly, everything you've mentioned about Khuda is false, it has no basis whatsoever, i clarified this issue a long time ago in another thread.

Secondly, people should not be using these terms anyway, what is so hard to use islaamic terms? Seeing as you get rewarded for using the islaamic greeting but get nothing for these kind of greetings.

Thirdly, someone had claimed that we're not told to greet when parting, but that is false, we are told to greet when meeting and when parting, Rasoolullaah Sallallaahu 'Alayhi Wa Sallam says in a hadeeth which is reported in abu daawood, nasaa'i, tirmidhi and the musnad of imaam ahmad, that when a person comes to a majlis (it will refer to meeting normal singular people as well) then let him make salaam, and when he intends to leave then let him make salaam, because the first one is not more rightful than the last one (the parting one).

Meaning that both salaams are equal and sunnah.

Lastly, a person may say the full salaam when leaving, or they may say "Was Salaam", both are valid and have basis.

[KeeKee]

[cuezed]

i dont know about persian whatever. but khuda is the urdu word for God.

[Abu Mus'ab]

The sheikh was giving a lecture on it yesterday I'll see if I can find something to back it up with, insha-Allah.

Which shaykh?

[IbnulQayyim]

Khuda is the Persian word for the idols which they worship, and Hafiz comes from the Arabic root word hifz meaning "protection". So literally, means "May the (Persian idols) be your Guardian." They worship these idols even presently in Iran and other places. And when you say Hafiz
(protect) with it, you mean May Khuda (the Persian idols) protect you.

So insha-allah lets stop saying as such, and instead say Allah Hafiz.

if we go like this then we cant even say mosque cuz mosque is short for mosquito somehow.

when we say Khuda Hafiz we say in terms of Urdu language not persian. In urdu it means God.
Just like in english Goddess means female god or some beautiful woman or something too.

Saying khuda hafiz/allah hafiz after the salam or when parting ways is not haram nor a bidah as per Hanafiyyah.

[naila-k]

saying why do people use the word namaaz is like saying why do they use the word prayer.....

its just their language innit,

and the same way if I see you and when I leave I say May God be with you, or May Allah be with you, there is nothing wrong with that, there is nothing wrong with saying Allah Hafiz...

[KeeKee]

yes, but the word salah/namaz are every day words, of an action. assalamu alaykum is an actual greeting for which there is reward in saying, so there is difference between salam and the translations of other arabic words.
and there is nothing to do with khuda hafiz/allah hafiz in hanafi madhab.

[Peacenik]

yes, but the word salah/namaz are every day words, of an action. assalamu alaykum is an actual greeting for which there is reward in saying, so there is difference between salam and the translations of other arabic words.
and there is nothing to do with khuda hafiz/allah hafiz in hanafi madhab.

But hasn't ALLAH (SWT) and His Rasool-Allah told us specifically how to greet ? :

“When you are greeted with a greeting, greet with better than it or return it. Allah takes count of all things”.

(4:86)

And :

Hadith - Sahih Muslim 96, Narrated Abu Hurayrah (ra)

The Messenger of Allah observed: "

You shall not enter paradise so long as you do not affirm belief (in all those things which are the articles of faith) and you will not believe as long as you do not love one another. Should I not direct you to a thing which, if you do, will foster love amongst you: (i.e.) give currency to (the practice of paying salutation to one another by saying) As-salamu alaykum.

Taking the above Divine Words into account, I'm at a loss as to why people would use a different form of greeting

[islam4u2]

If Islam cant sort out a simple farewell then I shudder to think what it does with serious issues.

[Peacenik]

If Islam cant sort out a simple farewell then I shudder to think what it does with serious issues.

Brother, blame the people, not the Deen.

[naila-k]

so if i say bye or hello it is bidah?

[Peacenik]

so if i say bye or hello it is bidah?

If you're responding to a Muslim, then it's fairly obvious what you're doing is wrong.

[Abu Mus'ab]

so if i say bye or hello it is bidah?

No it's not bid'ah, well technically using the terminology of some 'ulamaa it could be termed bid'ah.

But to put it simply, it will be contrary to the sunnah, and thus makrooh.

However if you are speaking to new converts, or if you are a convert yourself and have not yet learnt the salaam then it would be acceptable to use.

Wallaahu A'lam.

[IbnulQayyim]

how is saying hi bye khuda hafiz/allah hafidh/marhabah/ma salamah etc.. bidah or even wrong.

its not bidah since its not even related to worship

[Abu Mus'ab]

If Islam cant sort out a simple farewell then I shudder to think what it does with serious issues.

What you have said here is kufr akbar, and it's waajib upon you to repeat your shahaadah.

[Asma-SE]

For like the 5th time this week...