Some more to think about for the Beard Shavers

[AbuHaneefah]

Salaam,

THink this should be split from this topic now:

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...213761&page=20


Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:
The Prophet (saw) said, "There will emerge from the East some people who will recite the Qur'an but it will not exceed their throats and who will go out of (renounce) the religion (Islam) as an arrow passes through the game, and they will never come back to it unless the arrow, comes back to the middle of the bow (by itself) (i.e., impossible). The people asked, "What will their signs be?" He said, "Their sign will be the habit of shaving (of their beards). (Fateh Al-Bari, Page 322, Vol. 17th)
[Sahih Bukhari]


The ruler of Yemen, appointed by the Persian emperor Kisraa, sent two envoys to the Messenger (S) to summon him. When they came into his presence, he noticed that they had shaved their beards and grew their moustaches. He hated to look at them (because of their odd appearance) and he said: Woe be to you, who told you to do so? They replied: "Our lord! (referring to Kisraa.)" The Messenger (S) then said:
But my Lord, may He be exalted and glorified, has commanded me to leave alone my beard and to trim my moustache
[Recorded by Ibn Jar r a-abar]


Trim the moustache and save the beard.
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

[AbuHaneefah]

RE: The second narration.

Why do so many South Asian and Turkish men resemble the envoys of Kisra (who were sent to arrest the Prophet (saw)) rather than the Muslims.

i.e They shave their beards and grow their Mustaches?

[AbuHaneefah]

The Beard


INTRODUCTION

Definition

The Arabic word for beard is lihyah. It derives from lahy (jaw) and lahyan (the

two jaws). Thus, a beard is defined as the hair that grows on the cheeks and
jaws- . It

includes the hair that grows on the temples, underneath the lower lip, the hair

of the chin, and the hair that grows on the lower side of the jaws.

Ruling

Growing the beard is wajib (mandatory) for all males who are capable of

doing so. As will be presented below, there is ample evidence for this in the

Sunnah, and it is the unanimous opinion of the ‘ulama’ of Islam.

Position of the Scholars

All the ‘ulama’ (scholars) of as-Salaf us-Salih (the Righteous early Muslims),

including the Four Imams, agree that shaving the beard is haram

(prohibited). They consider shaving it an impermissible mutilation, as has
been reported from Umar Bin Abdul Aziz- . They

considered the man who shaved his beard effeminate. Many of them would

not accept his testimony or allow him to lead the prayers.

THE HANAFIS

According to the Hanafis:

“It is prohibited for a man to cut his beard ... as for

cutting it shorter than a fist-length - as is done by

some people from the west and by the effeminate men

- no one permits this. And as for shaving it completely,

it is the doing of the Indian Jews and the Persian
Magians” .

Ibn-Abidayn said:
“It is prohibited for a man to cut his beard.” (Radd

ul-Muhtar )

THE MALIKIS

According to the Malikis:

“Shaving the beard is prohibited, as is cutting it if it

causes a (clear) mutilation. But if it becomes oversized,

and if cutting it would not appear as a mutilation, then

it may be cut; but that would be disliked and contrary
to that which is better.”

Al-`Adwi said:

“It has been reported from Malik that he hated shaving

anything under the jaws, until he said, ‘It is from the

doing of the Magians.’ And it is prohibited to remove
the hair of the beard.”

Ibn Abd al-Barr said:

“It is prohibited to shave the beard, and it is not done

except by effeminate men.”

THE SHAFI’IS

As for the Shafi’is, al-Imam ash-Shafi’i has expressed that it is prohibited to
shave the beard . Also, al-Athru’i said, “The correct position is that it

is prohibited to totally shave the beard without a (medical) problem with it.”

.

THE HANBALIS

The Hanbali's agree without exception that it is prohibited to shave the beard

.

Ibn Taymiyyah stated:
“It is prohibited to shave the beard.”

As-Saffarini said:

“It is agreed in our mathhab that it is prohibited to

shave the beard.” .

IBN HAZM

Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi said:

“All of the scholars agree that shaving the beard is a
form of mutilation, and is prohibited.”

IBN TAYMIYYAH

Shaykh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah said:

“Because of the authentic hadiths, it is prohibited to

shave the beard, and no one has ever permitted it.”

CONTEMPORARY SCHOLARS

The great scholars of our time have expressed that it is prohibited to shave

the beard or cut it short. Among those are Ali Mahfuz, Muhammad Nasir

ud-Din al-Albani, Abd ul-Aziz Bin Baz, al-Kandahlawi, Abu Bakr al-Jaza’iri,

Ismail al-Ansari, and many others.

Extent of the Beard
The commands of the Prophet ! clearly indicate that the beard should becompletely spared. Furthermore, the Prophet ! and his companions had full

and large beards.
There are no authentic reports indicating that the Prophet ! trimmed his

beard. However, there are authentic reports from a number of the sahabah -

particularly, Ibn-Umar, Abu Hurayrah, and Ibn-Abbas (may Allah be pleased withthem all),
indicating that they used to cut what extended beyond a fist-length.

There are similar reports as well from a number of the salaf such as Ibrahim
an-Nakhi, Malik, and Ahmad. When ‘Abdullah bin Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both), went for Hajj or

Umrah, he used to hold his beard with his fist and cut whatever extended

beyond his fist.

Thus, the general command of sparing the beard should be restricted to the

understanding and practice of the sahabah, and its length below the chin should not

exceed a man's fist.

CHAPTER 2

WRONGS OF SHAVING THE BEARD

Shaving the beard results in a series of Islamic violations, among which are

the following:

1. Disobedience to Allah

Shaving the beard is an act of disobedience to Allah, as is expressed in the

words of His Messenger !,
Abu Hurayrah " reported that the ruler of Yemen,

appointed by the Persian emperor Kisra, sent two envoys
to the Messenger !. When they came into his presence,

he noticed that they had shaved their beards and let

their moustaches grow big. Hating their ugly appearance,

he turned his face away and said,

“Woe be to you, who told you to do so?” They replied:

“Our lord (Kisra) did!”
The Messenger ! responded: “But my Lord, exalted and

glorified be He, has commanded me to spare my beard
and trim my moustaches.”

2. Disobedience to the Messenger
Shaving the beard is an act of disobedience to the Messenger ! who commanded the men to spare their beards in many hadiths. Ibn Umar (may

Allah be pleased with them) reported that Allah's Messenger ! said:

“Closely trim the moustaches, and spare the beard.”

.

Obeying the Messenger ! is equivalent to obeying Allah:

“He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah; and

as for those who turn away: We have not sent you as a

guardian over them.”

3. Deviation from the Guidance of the Messenger
There is no doubt that Allah’s Messenger ! is the best example of a man, both

in his appearance and actions.

Allah says:

“There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of

Allah an excellent pattern - for anyone whose hope is

in Allah and the Last Day, and who remembers Allah

often.”

And Jabir " reported that Allah's Messenger ! said:

“Verily, the best guidance is Muhammad's guidance.”

.

Jabir Bin Samurah " reported that Allah's Messenger ! had a large beard
. Shaving the beard clearly exhibits a deviation from his

appearance and guidance.

4. Deviation from the Way of Believers

One must strive to follow the ways of the believers and identify with them.

This is an obligation expressed by Allah:

“Whoever opposes the Messenger, after guidance has

become clear to him, and follows other than the way

of the ‘Believers’, We will give him what he has

chosen and let him into Hell: What an evil

destination!”

Note: The description ‘Believers’ in the ayah applies first and foremost to the

Sahabah

All of the prophets (alaihis-salaam), the Sahabah (the Prophet's

companions), the great ‘ulama’, and the righteous Salaf (early Muslims) of

this Ummah (Nation) grew their beards. There is no report of a single one of

them selectively shaving his beard. -For example, Allah tells us that Harun

(alaihis-salaam) addressed his brother Musa (alaihis-salaam) as follows:
He said, “O son of my mother! Do not hold me by my

beard or head.”

Furthermore, there are authentic reports indicating that the Rightly Guided

Successors, as well as other sahabah and tabi'un had large beards. Abu Bakr
" had a thick beard , Umar " had a big beard , Uthman had a large beard , and Ali's beard was so wide

as to span the distance between his shoulders ,

Therefore, shaving the beard exhibits a clear deviation from the way of the

believers.

5. Imitation of the Disbelievers

The Muslims have been commanded to be different and distinct from the

disbelievers. In Surat ul-Fatihah, we are commanded to ask Allah to guide us

away from the ways of the disbelievers:

“Guide us to the Straight Path - The path of those

upon whom You have bestowed Your favor, not of

those who have earned Your anger, nor of those who

are astray.”
Also, Allah prohibits His Messenger ! from following the desires of the

ignorant. And indeed, anyone who is not on the True Guidance is ignorant.

Allah says:

“Do not follow the whims of those who have no

knowledge (of Islam).”
The Prophet ! has indicated that a person who imitates a certain people will be counted (in Islam) as being one of them. Ibn Umar (may Allah be pleased with

them) reported that Allah's Messenger ! said:

“I have been sent, close to the Last Hour, with the

sword (to fight for the truth) - until Allah is worshipped

alone without partners. My sustenance has been allotted

under the shade of my spear. Humility and defeat have

been allocated to whoever strays from my command. And
whoever imitates a people is one of them.”

How terrible it would be for a person whom Allah has favored with Islam to

find himself resurrected on the Day of Judgment among non-Muslims - simply

because he liked to imitate them.
In several hadiths, Allah's Messenger ! has linked sparing the beard to

being different from the followers of other religions.

Abu Hurayrah " reported that the Prophet ! said:

“Cut the moustaches and grow your beards. Be different

from the ‘Magians’.”

Note: ‘Magians’ - Followers of an ancient Persian religion.

Abu Umamah " reported that Allah's Messenger ! said:

“Cut your moustaches and leave your beards alone. Be
different from the people of the scripture.”

Ibn Umar (may Allah be pleased with them) reported that Allah's Messenger !

said:

“Be different from the ‘mushrikin’; trim your moustaches

and save your beards.”

Note: ‘mushrikin’ - Those who join others with Allah in worship.

Therefore, shaving the beard is an act of imitation of the disbelievers, and

should be extremely abhorred. It conflicts with many fundamentals of Islam,

and yet many Muslim men do it in compliance with the practices of the
disbelievers! Verily, Allah's Messenger ! has foretold the truth, as was

reported by Abu Said al-Khudri " that he !, said:

“You will follow the example of those who preceded you,

hand-span for hand-span, and arm-length for

arm-length. Even if they entered into a lizard's hole,

you would surely enter it!”
He ! was asked, “Do you mean the Jews and

Christians?” He replied, “Who else are the (previous)

people?” .

6. Changing Allah's Creation Without Permission

Except for cases that are expressly indicated in Islam, it is prohibited to

change the way that Allah has created things. Changing Allah's creation

without permission involves obeying Satan who, as Allah tells us, had said:

“They actually call upon none but rebellious Satan,

whom Allah has cursed. And he had said (to Allah), “I

will surely take from among Your servants a specific

portion. I will mislead them, give them false

promises, command them so they will slit the ears of

cattle, and command them so they will change the

creation of Allah.” Certainly, whoever takes Satan as
an ally instead of Allah is in tremendous loss.”

Allah has honored the human beings and fashioned them in the best form:

“Verily, We have created the human being in the best

of stature.”

Changing this without permission is indeed an act of great atrocity and

deviation that deserves punishment.
The Messenger ! has declared that the women who change what Allah has

created (such as removing their facial hair, wearing wigs, filing their teeth, or

tattooing their bodies) seeking by that to improve their appearance, are

accursed by Allah.

Ibn Mas'ud " reported that Allah's Messenger ! said:

“Allah curses those (women) who tattoo (for others) and

those who get tattoos, those who pluck the facial hair

(for others) and those who have their facial hair

plucked, those who connect their hair with other (fake)

hair, and those who file their teeth for beauty - they

all change Allah's creation.”

This hadith mentions women in particular because they normally seek to

beautify themselves more than men. But the warning applies to both genders,

because the condition for the curse is declared: changing Allah's creation.

Thus the curse applies to anyone who satisfies such condition.

Shaving the beard falls under this warning, as it is much worse than ‘nams’

- (removal of facial hair) practiced by some women.

At-Tahanawi said:

“It is established that changing Allah's creation is a

cause for the curse, and that whatever Allah's
Messenger ! prohibits is prohibited by Allah.”

Waliyy Ullah ad-Dahlawi said:

“Cutting it is the way of the Magians, and involves

changing Allah's creation.”

7. Imitation of Women

The beard presents a major distinction between men and women. Shaving it

removes this distinction, and is thus a means of imitating women. Any act

that involves imitation of the opposite gender makes a person liable for the

curse of Allah and His Messenger !. Ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them),

reported:
“Allah's Messenger ! has cursed the men who imitate

the women; and the women who imitate the men.”

.

Al-Kandahlawi said:

“No one can have doubt that complete imitation of

women arises from shaving the beard. This imitation is

stronger than that of imitating their clothing and other

matters, because the beard is the foremost and

greatest distinction between men and women. This is

possible to observe by all people, and is not denied

except by one who wants to deceive himself, follow his

whims, and be effeminate after Allah has favored him
with the good appearance of a man.” .

8. Contradicting the Pure Fitrah
The Messenger ! indicates that a child is born with a pure nature, which may

subsequently be blurred by self-indulgence or unfavorable environmental

influence. Abu Hurayrah and al-Aswad Bin Sari reported that Allah's

Messenger ! said:

“Every child is born with the pure fitrah (nature) - until

he becomes able to express himself. It is his parents

who then turn him into a Jew, a Christian, a Magian, or

a pagan.”
Furthermore, Allah's Messenger ! mentioned ten qualities as indicative of a

good, clean nature. Two of these qualities are to trim the moustaches and to

grow the beard.

A’ishah " reported that Allah's Messenger ! said:

“There are ten qualities of fitrah: trimming the

mustaches, sparing the beard, siwak (brushing the

teeth), inhaling water (to clean the nose) , cutting the nails, washing the finger knuckles,

plucking the armpit hair, shaving the pubic hair, washing
the private parts with water, .”

This fitrah never changes with time: Allah says:

“The pure nature according to which Allah has

created the people. There is no change in Allah's

creation.”

In the footsteps of the disbelievers, many Muslims fitrah is now very

deformed. They find a clean-shaven man more handsome and masculine than
one with a beard - exactly the opposite to what the Messenger ! declared in

the above hadith!

9. Ridiculing the Din

With the deformed fitrah that many contemporary Muslims have, they

approve of the ways of the disbelievers and disapprove of the guidance of
Allah's Messenger !! They adorn themselves with closely shaved beards, and

are ashamed of attending important functions or meetings with even a slight

beard. They admire the shiny look of a clean shaved man, and congratulate

one who just had a nice shave! They command their relatives, children, and

subordinates to shave their beards, declaring that the beard is a sign of being

messy, backward, and lazy! They ridicule the beard and anyone who grows it!

By doing this, they redicule an established part of the religion of Islam,

which is a major sin. If they do not know that, they are most ignorant about

their din, and if they do it knowingly, they could fall into a definite act of kufr

(disbelief) - in Allah we seek refuge.

CHAPTER 3

DOUBTS AND MISCONCEPTIONS

Despite clear texts from the Sunnah, and the consensus of the great scholars

of Islam, we find that the majority of the Muslim men in our time do not grow

their beards. This is one of the many indications that most of the Muslims do

not follow the teachings of their Din. In addition, there are various doubts or

misconceptions to which many men resort in order to justify shaving their

beards. In what follows, we highlight the most important of these.

A Mere Sunnah?

One frequently hears the excuse, "But it is only a sunnah!" In their

understanding, growing the beard is an optional sunnah at best! From the

previous discussion, it is obvious that this is a wrong understanding, and

there is no doubt that growing it is a mandatory sunnah.

Fatwas from Scholars?

BAD EXAMPLES

People are often misled by a number of contemporary shaykhs who neglect this sunnah or provide unfounded fatwas (religious verdicts) belittling it. Thus they give a bad example for others, and cause them to neglect this sunnah as well. And surely, this adds to their burden of sins. Jarir Bin Abdillah "

reported that Allah's Messenger ! said:

“He who initiates in Islam a good way gets his reward for it, as well as rewards similar to those who follow him into it, without reducing any of their rewards. And he who initiates in Islam an evil way gets his burden for it, as well as burdens similar to those who follow him into it, without reducing any of their burdens.”

One such wrong fatwa was given by al-Qaradawi:

"It is true that no reports exist of anyone among the salaf shaving his beard; but that could be because they had no need for that, and it was their custom (to grow it)."

It is obvious from our earlier discussion that this is an invalid rationale;

especially since the reason for growing the beard is much greater than mere custom - it is Allah's command!

FALSE vs. TRUE SCHOLARS

Not every one who is in position of leadership or fatwa is a true scholar. True scholars are those who found their fatwas on clear evidence from Allah's Book and His Messenger's Sunnah. As time passes, fewer and fewer of the true scholars will be around. But this should not justify for anyone turning toward the false scholars.

Abdullah Bin Amr " reported that Allah's Messenger ! said:

“Allah does not pull the knowledge suddenly from the breasts of people, but takes away the knowledge by taking the lives of the ulama (true scholars). When no ulama are left, the people will appoint ignorant guides.

When they are asked, they provide fatwa (Islamic verdicts) without knowledge, thereby straying and leading others astray.” .

The Prophet Trimmed His Beard?

Some people justify shaving their beards by that the Prophet ! used to trim his. By this, they usually refer to what has been recorded by at-Tirmithhi from Amr Bin Shu'ay from his father from his grandfather (Ibn Umar) -may Allah be pleased with them:
"The Prophet ! used to cut from the width and length of his beard."

However, this report is extremely weak, and may not be used as an evidence

And even if it were not weak, this report would then only provide an

evidence for trimming the beard, not for shaving it.

Whom Are We to Please?

In order to justify shaving their beard, some men offer the excuse that their

wives prefer them without one! One should fear Allah and remember that our

course in this life must be to abide by the clear commands of Allah and His
Messenger !, and not to follow the deformed inclinations of wives, parents,

friends, etc.

Ali " reported that Allah's Messenger ! said:

“Obedience may not be offered to a human being if it

involves disobeying Allah. Obedience should only be in
good things.”

Irritation and Scratching?

Some men claim that growing their beard causes to them severe skin

irritation and scratching. This cannot result from abiding by the pure fitrah,

but would result from neglect of the proper cleaning and washing with wudu',

as instructed in the Sunnah.

If a person has a legitimate and unusual skin problem, he must consult a

true Muslim doctor in order to find the best way to treat his problem in a way

that would, as much as possible, preserve his beard intact.

Job Requirements?

Some men assert that their jobs require shaving the beard, and that they would lose their jobs if they do not shave. Usually, this is not true. If one provides evidence that the beard is a religious requirement, the employer cannot force a man to shave it.

If it becomes most likely that one would lose his job if he grew his beard, then he should weigh his situation and see which option would constitute more harm to him, shaving the beard or losing that enslaving job. Based on that, and after consulting with some people of knowledge, he should take the course that would be most pleasing to Allah.

Threat to Life?

Some men assert that growing their beards in certain countries would endanger their lives or cause them harm in their person, property, or Din. If this is true, it should be dealt with in a cautious and reasonable manner, similar to that described in the previous section.

However, one should not hold a paranoid or cowardly position, and expect that all forces of evil will be mobilized against him once a few hairs start surfacing from his face.

CHAPTER 4

OTHER HAIR

The Moustaches

The hadiths presented in Chapter 3 command the men to closely trim their moustaches, and indicate that trimming them is one of the qualities of fitrah.

Trimming the moustaches is done by cutting them level with the upper lip.
This has been reported from five of the sahabah .

Trimming the moustaches should be done at least once every forty days.

This is indicated in Anas's hadith below.

Shaving the moustaches completely is a bid ah, as declared by Malik:

"This is a bid ah that has appeared among the people ... my opinion in regard to a person who completely shaves his moustaches is that he should be beaten."


Malik had big moustaches. When questioned about that, he reported that when Umar
" got angry, he would roll his moustaches and blow .

Facial Hair

Except for the moustaches, it is prohibited to pluck or shave the facial hair.
We mentioned earlier that Allah's Messenger ! has declared that those who

remove their facial hair are accursed by Allah, as was reported from him by

Ibn Mas`ud ":

“Allaah curses ... those who pluck the facial hair (for

others) and those who have their facial hair plucked, ...”

Hair of The Head

The Prophet ! was not particular about the hair of his head. It would sometimes extend to a level between his ears and shoulders , other times (in Umrah) he would shave it completely, and when he entered Makkah he had
four braids .

Thus there is no specific restriction in regard to the hair of the head - other than the following:

a) A woman's hair may not be shaved or cut short so

as to resemble that of the men.

b) A man’s or woman's hair may not be cut or done in

a way resembling that of the sinners, disbelievers, etc.

Armpit and Pubic Hair

Removing the hair of the armpits and the pubic hair is among the qualities of

fitrah. It should be done at least once every forty days. Anas " reported:
“Allah’s Messenger ! timed for us trimming our

moustaches, clipping our nails, pulling our armpit hair,

and shaving our pubic hair-that we do not delay that

beyond forty nights.” .

Removing the hair is not considered among the prohibited “change in Allah’s

creation”, because Allah commands us to do it.

Other Hair of the Body

From the above, it is apparent that the human hair is of three types: that

which is obligatory to remove (ex. The pubic hair), that which is prohibited to

remove (ex. the Facial Hair), and that which is optional (the hair of the head).

Other bodily hair is not mentioned in any hadith is considered of the type: it

may be removed for convenience if that does not lead to any violations, such

as for men to resemble women.

Conclusion

Some of the issues mentioned in this chapter are of controversial nature

among the scholars. We attempted to present the opinion that appears to be

closest to the Sunnah, and Allah knows best.

May Allah guide us to abide by His Din, adhere to His Messenger’s Sunnah,

and be among those whom He blessed.

[AbuHaneefah]

why do you never (very rarely!) see native americans previously known as red indians with beards? or inuit previously known as eskimos? or women previously known as wenches?

perhaps a similar kind of reason?

i understand that muslims shave the moustache because the jews kept full beards and moustaches. is that correct?

See the section above on imitating disbelievers

[x--x]

Hair of The Head

The Prophet ! was not particular about the hair of his head. It would sometimes extend to a level between his ears and shoulders , other times (in Umrah) he would shave it completely, and when he entered Makkah he had
four braids .

Thus there is no specific restriction in regard to the hair of the head - other than the following:

a) A woman's hair may not be shaved or cut short so

as to resemble that of the men.

b) A man’s or woman's hair may not be cut or done in

a way resembling that of the sinners, disbelievers, etc.

But the disbelievers have every hairstyle you can thing of, long, short, braided, shaved. There is no hairstly you can have without imitating a non-believer.

[AbuHaneefah]

But the disbelievers have every hairstyle you can thing of, long, short, braided, shaved. There is no hairstly you can have without imitating a non-believer.

Talking about specific hairstyles of disbelievers such as monks (who shave the middle of their heads) etc..

[AbuHaneefah]

disbelievers use computers and the internet. they also drive cars and and fly airplanes. Why are muslims imitating us in these areas?

We aren't - the argument is stupid- its like saying non Muslims breathe - therefore you can't breathe otherwise you will be imitating us!

Its to do with specific customs and dress - a Muslim is forbidden to wear a Nun's Habit etc..

The tradition has to be something that is specific to the disbeliever and their belief = Cars, Planes and Internet are used by people of all beliefs.

[Omar]

We grow a beard because the Prophet (SAW) commanded it, khlas. We don't need to justify that.

And yeah Men with moustaches look gay

[kailash]

We grow a beard because the Prophet (SAW) commanded it, khlas. We don't need to justify that.

And yeah Men with moustaches look gay

you mean like hitler and stalin?

[Omar]

you mean like hitler and stalin?

No I mean like typical pakistani/asian/turkish/arab ones but yeah we can put stalin and hitler in there too

[hamza89]

No I mean like typical pakistani/asian/turkish/arab ones but yeah we can put stalin and hitler in there too

those disgust me , and make my stomach turn

[kailash]

those disgust me , and make my stomach turn

all of them?

[mgk81]

there was no deviation from the point of the beard its merely giving examples of saying you follow the sunnah yet there is no real following..

anyways
provide proof from quranic verses under halaal and haraam to prove that prophet SAW had made such statement. the fact that its made haraam to shave.
such like ahadeeth stating that one cannot consume shellfish, the quran proves it untrue.
such that you can ask things from the dead, the quran proves it wrong.

we know of the proofs from quran stating to follow muhammad SAW, to obey Allah and HIS Rasul SAW. we are not looking for those proofs as we know it.

but show us the proof from Quranic reference that its HARAAM to shave.
and where is Allah's command in the quran that a man should grow the beard as stated in the article.

as for point number 6.changing ......
if shaving the beard falls under changing the creation, so does the shaving of the head, that too is changing. trimming of the mustache that too is changing the creation, cause it gives u a different look.

for point 7.
does who ever it is giving the evidence know what imitating means?????

point of HAIR on the HEAD
how does a real muslim woman imitate a man by cutting her hair, when in fact she's supposed to be wearing hijab?
so you women, dont hair dry, style ur hair for husbands.

sorry to say but there are a whole lotta flaws in the artcle.

[Basil al-Mamluk]

following his desires ^

[AbuHaneefah]

there was no deviation from the point of the beard its merely giving examples of saying you follow the sunnah yet there is no real following..

anyways
provide proof from quranic verses under halaal and haraam to prove that prophet SAW had made such statement. the fact that its made haraam to shave.
such like ahadeeth stating that one cannot consume shellfish, the quran proves it untrue.
such that you can ask things from the dead, the quran proves it wrong.

we know of the proofs from quran stating to follow muhammad SAW, to obey Allah and HIS Rasul SAW. we are not looking for those proofs as we know it.

but show us the proof from Quranic reference that its HARAAM to shave.
and where is Allah's command in the quran that a man should grow the beard as stated in the article.

as for point number 6.changing ......
if shaving the beard falls under changing the creation, so does the shaving of the head, that too is changing. trimming of the mustache that too is changing the creation, cause it gives u a different look.

for point 7.
does who ever it is giving the evidence know what imitating means?????

point of HAIR on the HEAD
how does a real muslim woman imitate a man by cutting her hair, when in fact she's supposed to be wearing hijab?
so you women, dont hair dry, style ur hair for husbands.

sorry to say but there are a whole lotta flaws in the artcle.

Are you saying you reject Hadith unless it is backed by Qur'an even if it is authentic?

Are you one of those Hadith rejectors?

Were Imam Abu Haneefah, Imam Malik, Imaam Shafi'i. Imaam Ahmed bin Hanbal and the other scholars quoted all wrong?

[a_nounu]

MashAllah, the article that was written is very thorough, and the points are made well over and over again leaving no doubts.

My only point is that these issues are very important, but Muslims tend to go into these important details and forget to discuss other very serious issues. The difference between a Muslim who shaves and one who doesnt, is that one has fallen in Sin. What about the Muslim who doesnt pray? Or the one who doesnt fast or doesnt pay Zakat?

My advice is that make an assessment of the audience your dealing with before presenting such an article. Perhaps someone who is further away from the Deen will find this article hard to deal with, if you find a brother who is ready for this next stage then speak to him in particular.

Some may say that the Deen is as it is and should be presented as it is! Very true, but remember that Islam was brought down in stages. Alcohol was not forbidden to begin with, infact there were not even any defined prayers until the Israa and Mi'rage journey.

[mgk81]

erm i did not say that nor was that impression given. i said under halaal and haraam bring the proof. Prophet SAW said that, if what he say does not coincide with the Quran, then its not from him.
Quran,
69:44. And if the messenger were to invent any sayings in Our name,
69:45. We should certainly seize him by his right hand,
69:46. And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:

and the Prophet SAW would not speak but by that which was revealed to him.

therefore Nabi SAW would never say anything if it did not coincide with the quran. thus why where is the proof from quran that its HARAAM TO SHAVE the beard.

The imams RA also said that if you found something more sound then what they have said, then go with that which is more sound.
furthermore i would not say that they were wrong in what they said (thats also to say if they had said certian things), for whatever the imams RA have said was due to the research they have made.

[layla tul qadr]

jazakallahu khairann....i needed all that daleel for a certain brother who doesn't grow his beard

decided to shave his beard clean "to look better" .....but the second post will change that insha'allah!!

[Sunflowerz]

dont shave the beards its a sunnah.
men with no beard resemble women quite a lot.

[quran]

http://muslims-china.blogspot.com/

[quran]

http://quran-tafseer.blogspot.com/

[KeeKee]

Shaikh Abdur Rahman As-sa'idi stated that the Prophet Muhammad ordered us to trim our moustaches and grow our beards. He also informed us that to trim it (beard) is from the Majus and the polythiests. He warned his nation from following that misguided custom. So, truly it is strange that we see someone who believes in Allah and his Messenger, yet is stingy in following the example of the Prophet and his companions, and the Tabi'een.
Allah has honoured men with beards and has made their beauty and character apparent in it, so woe to the one who shaves it, for he has disobeyed his Lord openly.
Do all of those that shave their beards that they have achieved a handsome appearance? Surely, they have not, since it shames the face of a man and takes away from its nobility. Following the misguided example of others often make evil things seem comely. Did the people of knowledge not say that if anyone attacked another by shaving his beard and that if it did not ever grow again, then upon the attacker is the responsibilty of paying full blood money? This illustrates the honor and good that Allah has placed in men who keep beards. In parallel to the previous example, imagine the state of one who assaults his own honour and dignity by removing his beard.

(gems & jewels)

[saleem31]

why don't you treat all humans with respect whether beard or not

[Qiyas]

why don't you treat all humans with respect whether beard or not

do you have a beard ?

[AbuHaneefah]

why don't you treat all humans with respect whether beard or not

Why wouldn't the Prophet (saw) look at the Persians (that came to arrest him) asking 'who has ordered you to do this?' when they came with their beards shaven?

Its not about respect or not.

Why don't you same thing about Alcohol?

Why don't you treat all humans with respect whether they drink Alcohol or not?

Both drinking Alcohol and shaving the beard are disobeying Allah (swt)

[Omar]

why don't you treat all humans with respect whether beard or not

Because those without maybe homo

[saleem31]

yes i shave, im still muslim, i wouldn't grow a beard because i can't get a job with a beard, also my mum doesn't like it, i just don't see how having a beard would make me a better person, its like saying to all non-hijabi women, your all evil bcos u don't cover.

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

yes i shave, im still muslim, i wouldn't grow a beard because i can't get a job with a beard, also my mum doesn't like it, i just don't see how having a beard would make me a better person, its like saying to all non-hijabi women, your all evil bcos u don't cover.

Do you think worshipping Allaah makes you a better person?

[saleem31]

you are actually putting shaving the beard in the same category as drinking alcohol, alcohol is seen as mother of all evils, i normally do clean shave, it makes me feel fresh and i don't view it as a major sin, bcos there is no mention of ppl shaving in quran as sinners.

[truepath]

you are actually putting shaving the beard in the same category as drinking alcohol, alcohol is seen as mother of all evils, i normally do clean shave, it makes me feel fresh and i don't view it as a major sin, bcos there is no mention of ppl shaving in quran as sinners.

why do you pray 4 rakah for dhuhr, 3 rakah for maghrib, 2 rakah for fajr? Are any particular number of rakah mentioned in Quran for any of the 5 daily prayers?

why do you make 2 sajah in every rakah? why do u sit in tashahhud after every 2 rakah in every salah? where is this mentioned in the quran?

None of this is mentioned in quran... so even in prayers why dont you follow your nafs like you do in the matter of beard because its also not mentioned anywhere in quran about praying any number of rakah for any particular prayer.

[Omar]

yes i shave, im still muslim, i wouldn't grow a beard because i can't get a job with a beard, also my mum doesn't like it, i just don't see how having a beard would make me a better person, its like saying to all non-hijabi women, your all evil bcos u don't cover.

WaAllahu yureedu an yatoobaAAalaykum wayureedu allatheena yattabiAAoona alshshahawatian tameeloo maylan AAatheeman

[saleem31]

the guys with the beards, majority the ones in my local mosque, when you go there they try to force these things on you, one brother kept on telling me grow your beard afterwards he started giving me dirty looks, so ive stopped going there, its a mosque in tooting, once these guys have long beards, they treat you disrepectfully, so i pray to allah at home always.

[~TwinklingStar~]

yes i shave, im still muslim, i wouldn't grow a beard because i can't get a job with a beard, also my mum doesn't like it, i just don't see how having a beard would make me a better person, its like saying to all non-hijabi women, your all evil bcos u don't cover.

For shaving their beards, some men give the strange excuse that their wives/mothers prefer them without one! As if their purpose in this life is to follow the deformed inclinations of their wives/mothers instead of the clear-cut commands of Allaah ta'ala and His Messenger sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam! Others claim that growing their beards results in an irritability and scratching. This cannot result from abiding by the pure fitrah, but would result (if true) from neglect of the proper cleaning and washing with wudu as instructed in the Sunnah. What the 'Ulamaa and Imams Say All the 'ulamaa of as-Salaf us-Salih, including the Four Imams, agreed that shaving the beard is haram (prohibited). They considered shaving it an impermissible mutilation, as has been reported about Umar bin Abdil-Aziz. They used to consider the person who shaved his beard effeminate. Many of them would not accept his witness or allow him to lead the prayers.

May Allaah ta'ala guide us to abide by His Deen, and to adhere to His Messenger's Sunnah, and to be among those whom he blessed in both lives.

[Omar]

the guys with the beards, majority the ones in my local mosque, when you go there they try to force these things on you, one brother kept on telling me grow your beard afterwards he started giving me dirty looks, so ive stopped going there, its a mosque in tooting, once these guys have long beards, they treat you disrepectfully, so i pray to allah at home always.

LOL yeah blame others for your own mistakes it works sometimes

[saleem31]

i respect sisters who wear hijab and brothers with beards, but you should also show same respect to others, islam says you must be good to animals and these are human beings you are dealing with, those brother 7/7 they had beards and the killed innocent are they better than pious clean shave muslims

[AbuHaneefah]

yes i shave, im still muslim, i wouldn't grow a beard because i can't get a job with a beard, also my mum doesn't like it, i just don't see how having a beard would make me a better person, its like saying to all non-hijabi women, your all evil bcos u don't cover.

You don't understand the concept of Rizq - Allah (swt) is the one that provides, it doesn't matter if you have a beard or not.

Alhumdulillah many brothers here have beards and jobs, you need to have your answer for Allah (swt) and I don't think any of the excuses you have are valid from the Shariah.

It is like saying:

Verily the woman who is perfumed and passes by men and they smell her scent, she is called a zaaniyah (fornicator or adultress) in the heavens.[Ahmed and others with isnaad hasan Saheeh Al-Jaami’ 2701]

or:

There are two types of people in Hellfire... among them are the women who are clothed yet naked and whose hair is piled upon their heads like the humps of camels. They will neither enter Al-Jannah nor even smell its fragrance. [Muslim]

There are many Hadith talking about the evils of women that do not cover their Awrah and there are many hadith that have been posted about what the Prophet (saw) said about the beard.

If you love Allah (swt) and his Messenger (saw) then you will listen to their words.

If you don't then you can make as many excuses as you like for not covering or not growing the beard, but the evidence is compelling, both are an order.

[truepath]

the guys with the beards, majority the ones in my local mosque, when you go there they try to force these things on you, one brother kept on telling me grow your beard afterwards he started giving me dirty looks, so ive stopped going there, its a mosque in tooting, once these guys have long beards, they treat you disrepectfully, so i pray to allah at home always.

They will go in their grave... you will go in your grave...

dont make excuse to justify your actions.

If I drink alcohol.... I wont make excuses...or try to justify it in one way or the other... but rather admit that its my weakness due to which I am drinking alcohol...and will request brothers to make dua for me that Allah gives me courage so that I come out of this sinful practice.

Likewise, if I shave my beard, then I will not make 10 zillion futile excuses for why I am not keeping it and justify it with silly reasons like because its not mentioned in quran and this and that. Rather, I would honestly admit it that I am not keeping beard because of my own weakness and I am unable to build courage to do so and I am not ready for it yet. Also, at the same time I will request brothers to make duaa for me to ALlah to give me courage and strength in faith that I stop the sinful practice of shaving and start practicing sunnah of prophet of growing beard.

This is considered honesty, one should stay honest to themselves and to their lord that they are not keeping beard only cuz of their own weakness rather than trying to justify it by making one or the other excuses like by
saying its not mentioned in quran... or like by making excuses by saying people with beard are disrespectful or whatever...

What people say or do shouldn't even be an issue for one who is sincere....

So, if you dont keep beard...atleast remain honest to yourself and stop making 10 zillion excuses and admit that you are not keepin it cuz of your own weakness and nothin else. Perhaps, then Allah might inshaAllah give you tawfeeq and courage to practice it if not today but may be in future.

But one who makes excuses for his baatil and tries to justify it, he wont even get taufeeq from Allah because rather than accepting it as weakness either they blame others or try to find some other excuse to justify their wrong by saying its not mentioned in quran etc...

[saleem31]

yes i try to grow it, but after a few days, when i see it messy and shaytaan gets to me i shave it off

[rahamath]

yes i try to grow it, but after a few days, when i see it messy and shaytaan gets to me i shave it off

Let Allah help us to follow the sunnah and please our Rabb for verily we cant do any good deed without the help of Allah Ameen ameen thumma ameen Ya Rabbil Alameen

[saleem31]

when i was a baby i never had a beard, i was clean shaven on my fitra and will be till the day i die inshallah.