The Quran Supports a Jewish State!! Wow!

[George S]

People assume that the Koran (Q'aran - Muslim holy scriptures) has anti-Israel passages. While there is no doubt some level of anti-Jewish sentiment in the Koran, there are many passages that are actually in support of a Jewish state of Israel! The following are eleven passages showing the support for a Jewish state in the Muslim holy scriptures.




Sura 2:190

A case could even be made that Israel's victory over the Arabs in the 1948 war was a judgement by Allah against the Arabs for their apostasy in opposing the Zionists. This would be their just reward for transgressing Sura 2:190, which says, "Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities."




Sura 5:21

Moses is quoted as telling the Jews to "enter into the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you". While Mohammed later condemns the Jews for their sins and their refusal to accept his message, he never says that, as punishment, Allah has revoked our title to the Holy Land. Therefore the title still stands, and Muslim anti-Zionists are apostates.





Sura 16:126
"If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted." Yet Ariel Sharon's nonviolent, if provocative, visit to the Temple Mount was met with rioting,
including the use of firebombs and AK-47's.





Sura 17:4
"And We [Allah] gave (clear) warning to the children of Israel in the Book, that twice would they do mischief on the earth and be elated with mighty arrogance (and twice would they be punished)!" The succeeding verses tell us that the punishment referred to was banishment from the land. But "twice" means twice, not three times; hence the Jews, having been banished from the land once by the Babylonians and a second time by Rome, will never again be banished from the land. According to the Qur'an, Israel is an eternal nation.

Moreover, "twice would they do mischief on the earth" means twice, not three times; hence the Jews will never again do mischief on the earth. In particular, the Jews cannot bear moral responsibility for the Palestinian refugee problem.




Sura 17:7

The Palestinians deny that there ever was a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. But Sura 17:7 records the destruction of the First Temple by Babylon and the Second Temple by Rome, and Mohammed never contests the Bible's claim that the Temples were in Jerusalem.





Sura 17:104
The Jews' return from 19 centuries of exile is actually the fulfillment of Islamic prophecy. Sura 17:104 says that 'And we said to the Children of Israel afterwards, "Go live into this land. When the final prophecy comes to pass, we will summon you all in one group."'





Sura 60:9
Moreover, Sura 60:9 forbids aiding the enemies of the Muslim people. Contrast this with the Palestinians' continued support of Saddam Hussein, whose hands are red with the blood of Iranian, Kurdish, and Kuwaiti Muslims.





Sura 83:1
"Woe to those that deal in fraud"; yet Yasir Arafat reneged on his promise to guard Joseph's Tomb in Nablus after the Israeli troops withdrew.

[The Strategist]

Georgie boy,

If you kept on reading the Koran, again and again, perhaps one fine morning some enlightenment might shine on you.

But the key is to try and understand what the word of God is trying to tell you, not how YOU are trying to understand it.

Strategist.

[Observer]

Originally posted by The Strategist
Georgie boy,

If you kept on reading the Koran, again and again, perhaps one fine morning some enlightenment might shine on you.

But the key is to try and understand what the word of God is trying to tell you, not how YOU are trying to understand it.

Strategist.

Strato-Lounger....

If only you could take your own advice.

[Silkner]

Well said George S, well said.
Silkner

[shaver]

I see no refuttal to the George post which I found interesting. Does this mean that he is right in his reading?
If he is wrong, then can someone show us how these verses should be taken?

If he is right, then I think all the anti-zionists are going against the Quran and therefore are not being good muslims.

Yours,
Shaver

[Bilal]

Palestine in the Bible

What does the Bible say about Palestine and the Palestinian people ?

Equal to Israel;

"Do you Israelites think you are more important to me than the Ethiopians ?" asks the LORD. "I brought you out of Egypt, but have I not done as much for other nations, too? I brought the Philistines from Crete and led the Arameans out of Kir" Amos 9:7


Abraham stayed a long time there;

" And Abraham sojourned many days in the land of the Philistines." Ge 21:34

David got protection there;

"But David kept thinking to himself, "Someday Saul is going to get me. The best thing for me to do is escape to the Philistines. Then Saul will stop hunting for me, and I will finally be safe."" 1 Samuel 27:1

More righteous than Isaac;

"king of the Philistines looked out of a window and saw Isaac fondling Rebekah his wife. So Abim'elech called Isaac, and said, "Behold, she is your wife; how then could you say, 'She is my sister'?" Isaac said to him, "Because I thought, 'Lest I die because of her.'" Abim'elech said, "What is this you have done to us? One of the people might easily have lain with your wife, and you would have brought guilt upon us." (Genesis 26:6-11)



Palestinians are the Judges of Israel;

"These were the nations: the Philistines (those living under the five Philistine rulers), all the Canaanites, the Sidonians, and the Hivites living in the hill country of Lebanon from Mount Baal-hermon to Lebo-hamath. These people were left to test the Israelites – to see whether they would obey the commands the LORD had given to their ancestors through Moses." Judges 3:3-4

"And he judged Israel in the days of the Philistines twenty years." Jud 15:20



Israel Given to the Palestinians;

"And Samuel said to him, "The LORD has torn the kingdom of Israel from you this day, and has given it to a neighbor of yours, who is better than you." 1Samuel 15:28, and (jos 13:1)



Israel Sold To Palestinians;

"And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of the Philistines and into the hand of the Ammonites" Jos 10:7

[muawiyah]

you [edited]jews the quran does not support the creation of an illegetimite state like israel WHOSE FOUNDATION IS LAID ON OPPRESSION,RACISM AND DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S COMMANDS, u must know that moses ,abrahaam,yakub(ISRAEL) or jacob and his 12 children,david,solomon and other israelite prophets were muslims.the word jew comes after one of jacob's son judah,judah's (yahuda's)descendents were called yahudi. so there fore moses was not a jew but a levite because he was a descendent of levi son of jacob. THOSE ANCIENT CHILDREN OF ISRAEL WERE MUSLIMS AND FOLLOWED ISLAM,MOSES,DAVID,JACOB ETC. WERE MUSLIM PROPHETS. YES IN THE BEGINNING GOD PROMISED TO GIVE THE LAND OF CANNAN TO BANI YISRAEL SO THAT THEY COULD ESTABLISH THEREIN GOD'S LAWS AND TO MAKE PEOPLE WORSHIP HIM ALONE. BUT BANI YISRAEL AFTER SOME TIME FELL INTO SINS AND WENT ASTRAY. THUS INVOKING GOD'S WRATH UPON THEMSELVES,BECAUSE OF THAT GOD ENDED HIS CONVENANT WITH THEM AND THEY WERE CONQUORED ,HUMILIATED AND DISPERSED. GOD TOOK AWAY THE LAND OF CANNAN FROM THEM.10 OF THE 12 TRIBES GOT LOST. SO IF U SEE THE HOLY QURAN SAYING SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS TO BE A SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL ,IN REALITY IT IS REFERING TO THE TIMES OF MOSES AND ANCIENT ISRAELITE PROPHETS. THE QURAN CLEARLY STATES IN SURAH BANI ISRAEL THAT GOD ENDED HIS CONVENANT WITH THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL AND THEY WERE PUNISHED. FURTHERMORE THE TEMPLE THAT SOLOMON BUILT WAS ACTUALLY A MOSQUE. THE TEMPLE WAS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE PROSTRATION AND WORSHIP TO GOD WAS ALLOWED AT THAT TIME. THE JEWS LATER ON CORRUPTED THE LAWS,DEVIATED FROM THE STRAIGHT PATH, THE PATH OF MOSES AND THE ISRAELITE PROPHET AND THEREFORE RIGHT NOW THEY ARE ADHERETS TO AN ASTRAY PATH. GOD SENT HIS LAST PROPHET MUHAMMAD TO RESTORE AND COMPLETE THE WORK LEFT BEHIND BY THE ANCIENT PROPHETS.
I ALSO WANT TO ADD THAT THE ASKHENAZIM JEWS ARE NOT THE DESCENDENTS OF THE ANCIENT ISRAELITES.IN ACTUAL,THEY ARE THEY HAIL FROM THE KHAZARS ( A TURKIC-RUSSO RACE).

[Hierophant]

thats just so incredibly convenient muawiyah; what a great way to legitimize things. thank goodness for the mohammadans, everyone was so disillusioned before.

did ya know that chief sitting bull was actually an American? oh and Ceasar was actually a christian? oh oh how about buhda, he was actually a communist ...

didnt mohammed, in referring to the jews, say something to the affect of ... they have their qiblah and we have ours

meaning the jews had the temple mount and the mohammadans had the cube in mecca

solomon built a mosque?? lol is this actually taught in islam?

[muawiyah]

MY RESPONSES ARE IN BOLD

Sura 2:190

A case could even be made that Israel's victory over the Arabs in the 1948 war was a judgement by Allah against the Arabs for their apostasy in opposing the Zionists. This would be their just reward for transgressing Sura 2:190, which says, "Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities."
visit these websites to learn what happened and what caused the 1948 war:
http://www.palestineremembered.com
http://www.jerusalemites.org
THE VERSE 2:190 IS FOR MUSLIMS WHEN THEY ARE IN A STATE OF HOSTILITY WITH THE NON MUSLIMS. THE MUSLIMS DID NOT BEGIN THE HOSTILITY WITH the jews. it was the jews who started it before the 1948 war by making terror groups like sturn,irgun etc. which commited crime that are untold on our palestinian brothers.or brothers were forced to take up arms in self defense for the protection of their lands, property,women and honour.



Sura 5:21

Moses is quoted as telling the Jews to "enter into the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you". While Mohammed later condemns the Jews for their sins and their refusal to accept his message, he never says that, as punishment, Allah has revoked our title to the Holy Land. Therefore the title still stands, and Muslim anti-Zionists are apostates.
yes god promised bani yisrael the land of cannan in the beginning but under the condition that the jews must establish God's law therein.However the children of yisrael disobeyed god and as a result the convenant was cancelled.The Holy Quran clearly mentions in surah bani israel that due to the sins of the children of israel the convenant was ended and bani israel was expelled. the jewish bible also points out the same thing. i will soon post an article which will elaborate more on this nad present ample proof for our prespective




Sura 16:126
"If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted." Yet Ariel Sharon's nonviolent, if provocative, visit to the Temple Mount was met with rioting,
including the use of firebombs and AK-47's.
what a joke, MR.ARiel sharon is a non violent,
please see this website:
www.sabra-shatila.org
u say that sharon entered the aqsa mosque non violently :lol:
just look at these pictures:-
http://www.intercircle.net/zionists.jpg
isreali soldiers taking positions in the holy sanctury prior to sharon's visit.
http://www.intercircle.net/aqsa4.gif
read the writings under this picture carefully.now who start firebombs or ak-47's?
http://www.intercircle.net/sharon.jpg
shooting of our unarmed palestinian brethren,
http://www.intercircle.net/sharon3.jpg
http://www.intercircle.net/sharon4.jpg
more carnage by jewpigs.
U JEWS MUST KEEP THIS IN MIND THAT NOT EVERY ONE HAS BEEN INFLUENCED BY UR JEWISH PROPAGANDA


Sura 17:4
"And We [Allah] gave (clear) warning to the children of Israel in the Book, that twice would they do mischief on the earth and be elated with mighty arrogance (and twice would they be punished)!" The succeeding verses tell us that the punishment referred to was banishment from the land. But "twice" means twice, not three times; hence the Jews, having been banished from the land once by the Babylonians and a second time by Rome, will never again be banished from the land. According to the Qur'an, Israel is an eternal nation.

Moreover, "twice would they do mischief on the earth" means twice, not three times; hence the Jews will never again do mischief on the earth. In particular, the Jews cannot bear moral responsibility for the Palestinian refugee problem.
THE MISCHief COULD BE OF SOME SPECIAL KIND WHICH THE JEWS DID TWICE. HOWEVER NO WHERE DOES THE VERSE SAYS THAT THE JEWS MAY NOT DO MISCHIEF WORSE THAN THOSE TWO again.
WHAT THE JEWS ARE DOING IN THE PALESTINE IS THE WORST KIND OF EVIL DONE ON THE FACE OF THIS PLANET.
VISIT
www.qana.org
www.sabra-shatila.org
http://www.ummah.com/unity/palestine/index.htm
INDEED THE JEWS WONT DO ANY MISCHIEF AGAIN,YES INDEED!


Sura 17:7

The Palestinians deny that there ever was a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. But Sura 17:7 records the destruction of the First Temple by Babylon and the Second Temple by Rome, and Mohammed never contests the Bible's claim that the Temples were in Jerusalem.

WE MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT ALL THE ISRAELITE PROPHETS WERE MUSLIMS AND THE TEMPLE built by solomon WAS ACTUALLY A MOSQUE WhERE PROSTRATION WAS MADE TO GOD and was a place were worships were rendered to Him



Sura 17:104
The Jews' return from 19 centuries of exile is actually the fulfillment of Islamic prophecy. Sura 17:104 says that 'And we said to the Children of Israel afterwards, "Go live into this land. When the final prophecy comes to pass, we will summon you all in one group."'
WHAT MADE YOU NOT READ THE NEXT SUCCEEDING VERSES AFTER 104? THOSE VERSES STATE THAT after they (JEWS) WILL gather, god's verdicts will befell them and the jews will BE FINALLY DESTROYED. SO IN OTHER WORDS THE QURAN PROPHESIZES THAT THE JEWS WOULD BE GATHERED IN CANNAN again AND WOULD BE DESTROYED eventually. so my dear palestinians be patient, steadfast for israel's end is near. ALLAHU AKBAR!!!




Sura 60:9
Moreover, Sura 60:9 forbids aiding the enemies of the Muslim people. Contrast this with the Palestinians' continued support of Saddam Hussein, whose hands are red with the blood of Iranian, Kurdish, and Kuwaiti Muslims.
AND WHAT MADE U TO GENERALIZE?????? THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT PALESTINIAN GROUPS WHICH BEAR DIFFERENT IDEOLOGIES BUT THEY ARE ALL UNITED IN ONE THING, THAT IS FREEDOM FROM TERROR ,OPPRESSION AND OCCUPATION, LONG LIVE PALESTINE !




Sura 83:1
"Woe to those that deal in fraud"; yet Yasir Arafat reneged on his promise to guard Joseph's Tomb in Nablus after the Israeli troops withdrew.

A FOOLISH INTERPERTATION OF THE VERSE IN A WRONG PLACE. WHAT ABOUT THE MANY PROMISES MADE BY THE ZIONIST ENTITY BUT NEVER FULFILLED OR BREACHED VIOLENTLY????

ALLAHU AKBAR
muawiyah

[muawiyah]

didnt mohammed, in referring to the jews, say something to the affect of ... they have their qiblah and we have ours
meaning the jews had the temple mount and the mohammadans had the cube in mecca
FIRST THE JEWS ARE NOT THE INHERITORS OF THE TRADITIONS OF THE ISRAELITE PROPHET. THEY CORRUPTED THE TORAH(READ JEREMIAH8:8) AND MADE A LOT OF INNOVATIONS. AND ARE DEVIATED AND ASTRAY. SO BY SAYING THAT JEWS HAVE THEIR OWN WAY AND WE HAVE OUR OWN,OUR PROPHET WANTED TO EMPAHSIS THAT WE ARE ON THE TRUE PATH AND THEY ARE DEVIATED ONES.GOD OUT OF HIS MERCY AND BLESSING CHANGED THE QIBLA TO MAKKAH(WHICH HAS A UNIQUE GEOGRAPHICAL AND GEOLOGICAL POSITION ACCORDING TO RECENT SCIENTIFIC STUDIES),BEFORE EVERY ONE FACE JERUSALEM FOR PRAYERS.
solomon built a mosque?? lol is this actually taught in islam?
THE WORD FOR "MOSQUE" IN ARABIC IS "MASJID" WHICH MEANS A PLACE WHERE PROSTRATION IS MADE.(SAJDAH MEANS PROSTRATION IN ARABIC ). if u read ENCYCLOPEDIA JUDECIA THE TEMPLE WAS THE ONLY place WHERE THE PROSTRATION WAS MADE TO GOD. FURTHERMORE IF U READ THE BOOK DEUTERONOMY U WILL SEE THAT MOSES ,ARRON,AND THEIR COMPANIONS USED TO WORSHIP GOD BY WASHING THEIR HANDS,FEET AND FACES FIRST THEN THEY USED TO STAND IN CONGREGATION AND BOWED AND PROSTRATED TO GOD. THIS METHOD IS QUITE SIMILAR TO OUR STYLE OF WORSHIP AND WE CONDUCT THAT 5 TIMES A DAY IN THE MOSQUE. THE JEWS DEVAITED AFTER MOSES AND THE ISRAELITE PROPHETS.THE MESSAGE OF ALL THE PROPHETS IS SAME THAT IS "ISLAM" OR SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF THE ONLY GOD.

[Malcom]

THE MUSLIMS DID NOT BEGIN THE HOSTILITY WITH the jews. it was the jews who started it before the 1948 war by making terror groups like sturn,irgun etc.

Israel had terrorists groups so it's OK to declair war and try to wipe them all out?

[Bilal]

Malcom
Israel not exist before 1948, but it was created by force and terrorism.

[Hierophant]

there is no logic in using the qoran to attack judaism cause as far as judiasm is concerned mohammad is one of those false scribes mentioned in jeremiah


and as far as your logic about the word for place of prostration being mosque in arabic.

church is the english word for a place of suplication and worship so there for all churches, mosques and synagogues are now christian.

pretty stupid eh?

[Islamic]

Originally posted by Hierophant
there is no logic in using the qoran to attack judaism cause as far as judiasm is concerned mohammad is one of those false scribes mentioned in jeremiah


and as far as your logic about the word for place of prostration being mosque in arabic.

church is the english word for a place of suplication and worship so there for all churches, mosques and synagogues are now christian.

pretty stupid eh?

we all know how stupid you and the rest of the zionist are. you and the rest just keep on proveing us right. your a fraud and a racist get lost. and clean out that melon you have hanging on the shoulders of yours

[muawiyah]

my rebuttal to heirophant is in bold
there is no logic in using the qoran to attack judaism cause as far as judiasm is concerned mohammad is one of those false scribes mentioned in jeremiah
the jews due to closemindedness and prejurice may regard muhammad to be a false prophet but the torah doesnt. read deuteronomy 18:18-22. the signs of a false prophet has clearly been stated. in order to be a false prophet muhammad must have died before he accomplished his mission . in order to be a false prophet he should have also given false prophecies. but in reality we find the opposite with respect to muhammad. he died after completing his mission. he recited the revealed verse during his last pilgrimage and in front of all the muslim masses that today the religion has been completed,and the mercy has been bestowed and the religion of islam was choosen as a religion. Furthermore he gave many prophecies unfound in the bible which were all fulfilled, some of them were fulfilled during our times
you can read some of his prophecies here:
http://www.answering-christianity.co...hecies_muh.htm


and as far as your logic about the word for place of prostration being mosque in arabic.

church is the english word for a place of suplication and worship so there for all churches, mosques and synagogues are now christian.
but church does not mean a place of prostration. if u had read my response clearly, you would have seen that i have strenghtened my point by providing the example of how moses ,his brother Aaron and their companions worshipped God.
pretty stupid eh?

pretty stupid to those whose intellect is blocked and are closeminded.

[Hierophant]

Islamic;

ahhh you just hate the fact that ppl around the world are figuring out finally this huge fraud you've got going.

[Islamic]

tell me why is the world screaming about the attrocity about the israeli acts. tell us all please. we all know your spinning them lies as you ALWays do. try again. NEEXT

[muawiyah]

DEATH TO ISRAEL! JUDAISM SHOULD BE BANNED FOR IT IS A RELIGION THAT PROMOTES INHUMANITY AND CORRUPTION LIKE THAT OF SHIISM

[Hierophant]

show me one lie I've posted islamic or shut your trap.
as far as israeli attrocities, the muslim world has pretty much hardened my heart to them. during my daily suplications i pray for the compassion and sympathy i used to have for the muslim world. but it no longer comes. perhaps God doesnt want me to feel for you and your kind.

[Islamic]

Originally posted by Hierophant
show me one lie I've posted islamic or shut your trap.
as far as israeli attrocities, the muslim world has pretty much hardened my heart to them. during my daily suplications i pray for the compassion and sympathy i used to have for the muslim world. but it no longer comes. perhaps God doesnt want me to feel for you and your kind.

I DONT HAVE TOO YOUR POSTS PROVE'S IT FOR ME. BUZZ TRY AGAIN!!!! NNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!


YOU ZIONIST TRASH!!!!!

[Hierophant]

by the way muawiyah, you are misreading deuteronomy if you think it is referring to the ishmaelites or the [edited]

[muawiyah]

HEIROPHANT ,SO DO WE HAVE FOR THE RUDE AMONGST THE CHRISTIANS AND THE JEW PIGS. WE FEEL BOILED AND HARDENED AND WE ABANDONED ASKING GOD TO GUIDE YOU PEOPLE TO THE TRUTH.

[kenwayy]

so you now believe that God does not have the power to guide them? You are losing your faith in your God? That is what you are saying.

[muawiyah]

I AM NOT TRYING TO REFER TO ISHMAELITES IN THAT PASSAGE I PROVIDED, THIS IS THE VERSE:When a prophet speaks in the Name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the Lord has not spoken, the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him.".(Deuteronomy 18:21-22)



AND TELL ME WHAT DOES IT SAY, DOES NT IT SAY WHAT IS THE SIGN OF A FALSE PROPHET??

[Hierophant]

the sun is going to rise tomorrow .... am i a muslim prophet now?

of course not!!!

[muawiyah]

heirophant better read the prophecies of muhammad before making such stupid claims, by saying the sun will rise tomorrow is not prophecy because every one knows it

[Hierophant]

fine

Today We shall preserve your body that you may be a sign to those after you: although most men give no heed to Our signs. (Yunus, 10.92)


umm ya, the egyptians preserved their pharoahs.


i hereby predict this wont be enough for you and you will want me to prove the other so called prophecies too.

[Fidayee]

hey what is mohammadans???????????

there is no such thing as that. We are Muslims.


Admins comeon that words must be cleaned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kenwayy]

Along with [edited], Amerikka, Jewnited States, and several others I could find.

[Hierophant]

fidayee, [edited] is the english word for muslim, it always has been. its no different than an arabic person using the word kufr. since arabic is their language kufr is acceptable. I'm not arabic so i would never use the word kufr and in fact i try never to use foreign words as it is just too easy to misuse them, as you do see alot of non-arabic ppl using arabic words on here. so out of respect i try not to use any. i know how you guys are always fighting back and forth how 'he is not muslim' or 'he is a better muslim' etc This way i avoid the accusations. It really only makes sense.

try to lighten up a bit will you.

[Fidayee]

hey SoB your coming in here a Muslim forum and telling us what to do. heroin pants should be cleaned too!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shaver]

Hierophant- valient effort. But Abu...I mean Muawiyah doesn't know how to read verses in context. I get flamed for doing it with the Quran but they think they are immune to it when we show them how they can't read the bible very well.
The bible declares that Jesus is Lord over all. It does not mention Muhammad in any verse. So there are no prophecies about Muhammad.

the ones that make me laugh are the claims about Song of Songs. The supposed pornographic book that prophecies Muhammad!! :-)

John 14 and 16- paraklete- counsellor known as Spirit of Truth who is obviously NOT human. And then this is all fulfilled in Acts with Pentecost.

Deuteronomy- refers to Jesus. Has to be an Israelite.

Isaiah- refers again to Jesus. The suffering servant.

Yours,
Shaver.

[EVILution]

Originally posted by George S


People assume that the Koran (Q'aran - Muslim holy scriptures) has anti-Israel passages. While there is no doubt some level of anti-Jewish sentiment in the Koran, there are many passages that are actually in support of a Jewish state of Israel! The following are eleven passages showing the support for a Jewish state in the Muslim holy scriptures.

So you actually read the Quran but you've still not converted.

[George S]

This is correct. Reading the Quran confirmed to me that the Muslim religion is way to primitive and barbaric. Especially the part about cuting of heads and stuff.

[Gengis_Khan]

George cuting off heads like this you moron!!!!!


Palestinian baby murdered by Jewish air strikein fihter jets given by USA using USA tax payers money

http://www.rabbani29.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/gena4jpg.JPG

[jamila]

Originally posted by Hierophant
thats just so incredibly convenient muawiyah; what a great way to legitimize things. thank goodness for the mohammadans, everyone was so disillusioned before.

did ya know that chief sitting bull was actually an American? oh and Ceasar was actually a christian? oh oh how about buhda, he was actually a communist ...

didnt mohammed, in referring to the jews, say something to the affect of ... they have their qiblah and we have ours

meaning the jews had the temple mount and the mohammadans had the cube in mecca

solomon built a mosque?? lol is this actually taught in islam?

Mr. Orientalist Playing card,

Mosque = Masjid = Ma (place) + sajud (prostration)

Prove to me that a synagogue (or a church, for that matter) is not a place suitable for prostration.

What's a Mohammadan? Friends of yours?

Which Muhammed is that? Muhammed Ali Clay?

Direction of prayer.

Muslims prayed towards the Dome of the Rock for 15 years of the Prophet (sawa)'s prophethood. The Allah revealed the switch to the Kabah. The Nazarah who visited Madinah prayed towards the sunrise.
jamila

[Hierophant]

Originally posted by jamila

Mr. Orientalist Playing card,

Right image, wrong origin, think centuries before ...

Mosque = Masjid = Ma (place) + sajud (prostration)

been covered before, repeating a definition gets you no points.

Prove to me that a synagogue (or a church, for that matter) is not a place suitable for prostration.

wtf? stay on topic lil one

What's a Mohammadan? Friends of yours?

Mohammedan is english for muslim. not all that different than calling someone a Christian.

Muslims prayed towards the Dome of the Rock for 15 years of the Prophet (sawa)'s prophethood. The Allah revealed the switch to the Kabah. The Nazarah who visited Madinah prayed towards the sunrise.
jamila

dome of rock did not exist during mohammad's life. this is just the typical rewriting of inconvenient history. it is well documented in islamic literature who built the dome of the rock and when. i suggest you start learning about your religion.

[khilafah]

[al-Baqarah 2:191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

The Qur'an quite clearly states that fighting those who evict you is a duty of the Muslims.

In countless other places it also smashes this whimsical fantasy that Islam supports Zionism.

[khilafah]

Hierophant,

Mohammedan is english for muslim. not all that different than calling someone a Christian.

Actually it's what we refer to in English as a 'misnomer'.

The difference here is that Muslims never called themselves Mohammedans, whilst Christians do call themselves Christians, do you see the difference now?

dome of rock did not exist during mohammad's life. this is just the typical rewriting of inconvenient history.

You are quite correct in saying that the Dome did not exist, but the rock did, and it WAS the direction of prayer (Qibla) for the Muslims, for a large part of their early history under the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

There is no typical rewriting of inconvenient history here, this is a known fact, that the "site of the temple mount" or as it is known to Muslims, ash-Sharif al-Haramain (Noble Sanctuary) or al-Masjid al-Aqsa (The fuirthest place of worship) was indeed the first direction of prayer for the Muslims, yes the buildings that exist on it today are buildings that were constructed by later leaders of the Muslims, but that has little to do with the direction.

[Hierophant]

Originally posted by khilafah
Actually it's what we refer to in English as a 'misnomer'.

The difference here is that Muslims never called themselves Mohammedans, whilst Christians do call themselves Christians, do you see the difference now?

so, whats your point, a non-muslim wouldnt describe themselves as kufr a muslim wouldnt call himself mohammedan, whatever. a german doesnt call himself german a frenchman doesnt call himself a frenchman ... on and on and on. bottom line i dont speak arabic and i would rather not use arabic words, when i can use english, and actually understand the meaning of.
\Mo*ham"med*an\, a. [From Mohammed, fr. Ar. muh['a]mmad praiseworthy, highly praised.] Of or pertaining to Mohammed, or the religion and institutions founded by Mohammed. [Written also Mahometan, Mahomedan, Muhammadan, etc.]
not a misnomer

You are quite correct in saying that the Dome did not exist, but the rock did, and it WAS the direction of prayer (Qibla) for the Muslims, for a large part of their early history under the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

I believe this to be false and would need to see documentation.

There is no typical rewriting of inconvenient history here, this is a known fact, that the "site of the temple mount" or as it is known to Muslims, ash-Sharif al-Haramain (Noble Sanctuary) or al-Masjid al-Aqsa (The fuirthest place of worship) was indeed the first direction of prayer for the Muslims, yes the buildings that exist on it today are buildings that were constructed by later leaders of the Muslims, but that has little to do with the direction. [/B]

And this is why i think it is false. Because i know it was when the Umayyads who while trying to establish damascus as the center of the islamic world convinced ppl in the area to pray towards the temple mount, it did not last. it was this same ... caliphate(?) that buit the dome on the rock. for two main reasons; establish center of rule and to cover up the remains of a jewish religious site. obviously this was all after mohammed's death