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    The Ruling on Prayer Beads

    The Ruling on Prayer Bead
    From the Major Scholars.


    Question:
    What is the ruling on using the masbahah (prayer beads)?

    Praise be to Allh

    Some scholars say that it is permissible to use the masbahah, but they say that it is preferable to do tasbeeh on one's fingers; others say that it is bid'ah (reprehensible innovation).

    Shaykh al-Islm Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Fataawa (22/187): "Some of them might show off by putting their prayer-mats over their shoulders and carrying their masbahahs in their hands, making them symbols of religion and prayer. It is known from the mutawaatir reports that neither the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allh be upon him) nor his Companions used these as symbols. They used to recite tasbeeh and count on their fingers, as the hadeeth says: "Count on your fingers, for they will asked, and will be made to speak." Some of them may count their tasbeeh with pebbles or date stones. Some people say that doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is makrooh, and some allow it, but no one says that tasbeeh with the masbahah is better than tasbeeh with the fingers." Then he (may Allh have mercy on him) goes on to discuss the issue of showing off with the masbahah, saying that it is showing off with regard to something that is not prescribed by Islm, which is worse than showing off with regard to something that is prescribed.

    Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-'Uthaymeen (al-Liqa' al-Maftooh, 3/30) was asked whether using the masbahah for tasbeeh is bid'ah, and his reply was: "It is better not to do tasbeeh with the masbahah, but it is not bid'ah, because there is a basis for it, which is the fact that some of the Sahaabah did tasbeeh with pebbles. But the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allh be upon him) taught that tasbeeh with the fingers is better, as he said, 'Count with the fingertips, for they will be made to speak.' Doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is not haraam or bid'ah, but it is better not to do it, because the one who does tasbeeh with the masbahah has shunned something better. Using the masbahah may also be contaminated with some element of showing off, because we see some people carrying masbahahs that contain a thousand beads, as if they are telling people, 'Look at me, I do a thousand tasbeehs!' Secondly, those who use the masbahah for tasbeeh are usually absent-minded and not focused, so you see them doing tasbeeh with the beads, but their gaze is wandering all over the place, which indicates that they are not really concentrating. It is better to do tasbeeh with one's fingers, preferably using the right hand rather than the left, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allh be upon him) used to count his tasbeeh on his right hand. If a person counts his tasbeeh using both hands, there is nothing wrong with that, but it is better to use the right hand only."

    Shaykh Muhammad Naasir al-Deen al-Albaani said in Al-Silsilat al-Da'eefah (1/110), where he quotes the (weak) hadeeth "What a good reminder is the subhah [masbahah],"

    "In my view, the meaning of this hadeeth is invalid for a number of reasons:

    Firstly, the subhah [masbahah] is bid'ah and was not known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allh be upon him). It happened after that, so how could he (peace and blessings of Allh be upon him) have encouraged his Sahaabah to do something that was unknown to them? The evidence for what I have said is the report narrated by Ibn Waddaah in Al-Bid' wa'l-Nahy 'anhaa from al-Salt ibn Bahraam, who said: 'Ibn Mas'ood passed by a woman who had a [masbahah] with which she was making tasbeeh, and he broke it and threw it aside, then he passed by a man who was making tasbeeh with pebbles, and he kicked him then said, "You think you are better than the Sahaabah, but you are following unjustified bid'ah! You think you have more knowledge than the Companions of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allh be upon him)!"' Its isnaad is saheeh to al-Salt, who is one of the trustworthy (thiqah) followers of the Taabi'een.

    Secondly, it goes against the guidance of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allh be upon him). 'Abd-Allh ibn 'Amr said, 'I saw the Messenger of Allh (peace and blessings of Allh be upon him) counting the tasbeeh on his right hand.' "

    He also said (1/117): "If there is only one bad thing about the masbahah, which it is that it takes the place of the Sunnah of counting on the fingers, even though all are agreed that counting on the fingers is preferable, then that is bad enough. How rarely I see people counting their tasbeeh on their fingers!

    Moreover, people have invented so many sophisticated ways of following this bid'ah, so you see the followers of one of the [Sufi] tareeqahs wearing the masbahah around their necks! Or some of them counting with the beads whilst talking or listening to you! Or another one - the like of whom I have not seen for some time - riding his bicycle through a street crowded with people, with the masbahah in one of his hands! They are showing the people that they are not distracted from the remembrance of Allh for even an instant, but in many cases this bid'ah is a cause of their neglecting what is obligatory (waajib). It has happened many times - to others as well as myself - that when I greet one of these people with salaam, they answer only by waving and not by saying the words of the greeting. The bad results of this bid'ah are innumerable, and no one can say it better than the poet:

    'All goodness is in following that which went before (the salaf)

    All badness is in the innovations of those who came later.' "

    And Allh knows best.
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    http://www.tazkiya.net/Library/Fiqh/...nnovation.html
    'Are prayer beads an innovation?'
    Answered by Sidi Faraz Rabbani & Hajj Gibril Haddad

    Question: Are prayer beads an innovation?

    Sidi Hajj Gibril:

    Imm al-Suyt. recounted in one of his fatwas entitled al-Minh.a fl-Sibh.a (The Profit In Dhikr-Beads) the story of Ikrima, who asked his teacher Umar al-Mlik about dhikr-beads. The latter replied that he had also asked about it his teacher al-H.asan al-Bas.r who replied: Something we have used at the beginning of the road we are not desirous to leave at the end. I love to remember Allh with my heart, my hand, and my tongue. Al-Suyt. comments: And how should it be otherwise, when the dhikr-beads remind one of Allh Most High, and a person seldom sees dhikr-beads except he remembers Allh, which is among the greatest of its benefits.[1][1] Ab Hurayra possessed a thread with two thousand knots and would not sleep until he had used it all for dhikr.[2][2] He said: Verily, I make glorifica_tion (tasbh.) of Allh Almighty every day accord_ing to my ransom (qadar diyyat), twelve thousand times.[3][3]

    Sidi Faraz Rabbani:

    The tasbih is a means to do dhikr. One should do dhikr in the way that is most conducive to actually doing dhikr, and to maintaining ones presence of heart with Allah. The generally accepted fiqh principle is that, Means take the ruling of their ends. Interestingly, even Wahhabis (such as Shaykh Uthaymin (Allah have mercy on him)) apply this in some spheres.

    The position of some Wahhabis that using prayer beads is a bida is a bid`a in itself. All the schools of Sunni Islam allow it. The greatest hadith experts, including giants like Imam al-Nawawi, Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Imam Badr al-Din al-`Ayni, and others all explicitly permitted the use of prayer beads. The same applies to great Quranic exegetes. If these people did not understand the Quran and Sunna, then who did?

    The prayer beads permissibility is explicitly mentioned in Imam al-Haskafis Durr al-Mukhtar, and in the Hashiyas of Imam al-Tahtawi and Ibn Abidin. Imam Abd al-Hayy al-Lakhnawi has an excellent treatise on it, based on a shorter work by Imam al-Suyuti.

    Wassalam,
    Faraz Rabbani

    [1][1]Al-Suyt., al-H.w ll-Fatw. Cf. section on dhikr-beads in al-Shawkns Nayl al-Awt.r (2:316-317) and Zakariyy al-Kandihlaws H.ayt al-S.ah.ba. Albns astounding claim that whoever carries dhikr-beads in his hand to remember Allh is misguided and innovating was refuted in Mah.md Mamdh.s Wus.l al-Tahn bi Ithbt Sunniyyat al-Sibh.a wal-Radd al al-Albn (The Alighting of Mutual Be_nefit and the Confirmation that Dhikr-Beads are a Sunna in Refutation of Albn). Another refutation was published by H.mid Mirz Khn al-Firghn al-Namnakn in the seventh of his al-Masil al-Tis (Madna: Maktabat al-mn, 1985) p. 44-48.

    [2][2]Narrated by Ab Nuaym in the H.ilya (1:383) and al-Dhahab in the Siyar (Risla ed. 2:623) and Tadhkira (1:35)

    [3][3]Narrated by Ab Nuaym in the H.ilya (1:383), al-Bayhaq in the Sunan (8:79), Ibn H.azm in al-Muh.all (10:396), Ibn al-Jawz in S.ifat al-S.afwa (1:691), al-Dhahab in the Siyar (Risla ed. 2:610) and Tadhkirat al-H.uffz. (1:35), Ibn Rajab in Jmi al-Ulm wal-H.ikam, and Ibn H.ajar in the Is.ba (7:442) where he said that Ibn Sad narrates it with a sound chain in his T.abaqt.

    http://www.tazkiya.net/Library/Fiqh/...yer_beads.html
    Prayer Beads
    Answered by Sidi Faraz Rabbani

    Question: What is the hanafi position on the tasbih. should we do it on our fingers or on the beeds?

    Walaikum assalam,

    The tasbih is a means to do dhikr. One should do dhikr in the way that is most conducive to actually doing dhikr, and to maintaining ones presence of heart with Allah.

    The position of Wahhabis that using prayer beads is a bida is a bid`a in itself. All the schools of Sunni Islam allow it . The greatest hadith experts, including giants like Imam al-Nawawi, Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Imam Badr al-Din al-`Ayni, and others all explicitly permitted the use of prayer beads. Same with great Quranic exegetes. If these people did not understand the Quran and Sunna, then who did?

    The prayer beads permissibility is explicitly mentioned in Imam al-Haskafis Durr al-Mukhtar, and in the Hashiyas of Imam al-Tahtawi and Ibn Abidin. Imam Abd al-Hayy al-Lakhnawi has an excellent treatise on it, based on a shorter work by Imam al-Suyuti.

    Some scholars actually say another consideration making it better to use prayer beads is to be different from the people of innovation

    Wassalam,
    Faraz Rabbani.

    http://www.tazkiya.net/Library/Fiqh/...nnovation.html
    Al-Albani, Salafis, Prayer Beads, and The Question of Innovation in Matters of Religion
    Answered by Sidi Faraz Rabbani

    Question: I came across an edict of Shaykh Nasir ud-Deen al-Albani regarding the authenticity of the hadith referring to the use of sibha. What is the validity of his statment/Dalil [that it is an innovation because there is no proof for it, and that it goes against the sunna]?

    Walaikum assalam,

    1. al-Albani is not an authority in fiqh. The gross errors of his methodology in hadith and fiqh are accepted even by many Salafi scholars.

    2. This issue returns to understanding the issue of what an innovation is. [See answers below.]

    3. One should understand the methodological error of the Salafis. The articles on Sidi Mas'ud Khan's excellent site, especially those by Sh. Nuh Keller and Sh. Abdal Hakim Murad should be read and re-read by every concerned Sunni in the West. http://www.masud.co.uk

    Walaikum assalam,
    Faraz Rabbani

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    Re: The Ruling on Prayer Beads

    is there a legal difference between using dhikr beads, vs a prayer rug, vs a microphone to call the adhan or give khutbah?
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    Re: The Ruling on Prayer Beads

    Prayer beeds cant move by itself , you are still using the fingers .


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