are always in war with other countries they border?
Islamic country VS Islamic country
Israel VS the Islamic nations
India Vs Islamic country
in some cases even civil war in a country Muslims VS Religion X
are always in war with other countries they border?
Islamic country VS Islamic country
Israel VS the Islamic nations
India Vs Islamic country
in some cases even civil war in a country Muslims VS Religion X
Ambition, greed, jahilliyah, ignorance etc etc etc...the list could go on forever
Re: Can any Muslims explain to why all Islamic nations...
they didnt understood the purpose of the life in this Dunya!
"O Allah! Keep me alive as a Miskeen; let me die a Miskeen and raise me up (in Qiyaamah) in the assembly of the Masaakeen." http://thoughtsofammar.blogspot.com/
What all of them said above,it's pretty sad
Thy have lost their way, simple
what islamic nations?Originally Posted by rumi1
God will not forsake those upholding his religion.
Sudan just couldn't get Chad to say that... nor could Iran get Iraq... or...
We shouldn't include simple border disputes. Hell, Denmark still has them with Canada and they have been going back and forth landing people on a tiny worthless (or... oil?) island.
But, generally I disagree with the premise. Often times it's about communities and resources. Sudan is peripheral versus the central government and allocation of resources. Same in tons of places. As much as I hate to say it the nation-state has provided a lot of stability to many countries. The fact that the Muslim world has so much stability is the result of many things... but, I tend to think Islam is peripheral.
Men will be men
Peace
3:103 And hold fast, all together, unto the bond with God, and do not draw apart from one another. And remember the blessings which God has bestowed upon you: how, when you were enemies, He brought your hearts together, so that through His blessing you became brethren; and [how, when] you were on the brink of a fiery abyss. He saved you from it. In this way God makes clear His messages unto you, so that you might find guidance.
Excuse me, peace2u, we Americans fight _civilized and just_ wars, unlike Muslim countries.Men will be menBut, seriously, I don't know too much about many of the "Muslim country wars"... and I don't want to call them morally equivalent to American wars. But we do have the privilege of being able to fight wars without really seeming involved to the vast majority of the population. e.g. Guatemala.
War is war and america has been involved with many, my point is, nations (men) fight over just about any and everything. He wanted to know why muslim nations fight with their neighboring countries, it's not only muslim countries that do that, but all countries do.
Peace
3:103 And hold fast, all together, unto the bond with God, and do not draw apart from one another. And remember the blessings which God has bestowed upon you: how, when you were enemies, He brought your hearts together, so that through His blessing you became brethren; and [how, when] you were on the brink of a fiery abyss. He saved you from it. In this way God makes clear His messages unto you, so that you might find guidance.
Exactly bro
Good point... but if you have a closer look, the war has twisted into a strange (rather expected shape)... Its war between the following group...
Muslims Vs West
Oil producing countries Vs US
good questions, and you have had some good answers
can you explalin to me why the europeans have invaded, fought, occupied, oppressed, murdered, plundered every country on earth?
why the usa has involved itself in over one hundred attacks on other countries since world war 2?
what justifies america exporting its freedom and democracy at the point of a gun?
what justified euromerican aggression in non-euromerican countries?
Terrorists do not walk around in turbans and long beards, but they wear suits and ties.
Innocents are primarily killed by foreign policies which command bombs dropped from jet planes, tanks, and naval vessels.
NOT from "suicide bombings".
People who fight against this naked aggression are called terrorists. People who purport this evil upon mankind are called heroes.
Stop being a victim of your own ignorance.
Dear Te'oma
You have deleted my post and sent me a private warning, as you thought I was insulting Islam!!!
Did you know that quote I have provided was inspired by the following authentic hadith?
Now, can you please provide me with an explanation of how did I insult Islam and acted unscholarly? I have provided the reference from your own Sunnah?Bukhari (2:24) - "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
I am here for the final verification of truth and situations like these wouldn't help me find the true path.
Yes I agree...but what is happening is proof of what our Prophetmentioned..."there will be much Haraj" (Something on those lines). Haraj meaning killing...
The one who is killed will not know why he was killed and the one who is killing will not know why he had done such killing.
The truthfulness of this Hadith is proven to be correct if we look around the globe today...
Call to Tawheed: Worship Allah ALONE.
ANTI: Shirk, 786, Milad un Nabi, Ya Mohammads, Brelvis, Sufi's.
I think that Te'oma thought that you may be misinterpreting the hadith. When the Prophet says fight, he doesn't necessarily mean through force and violence. Quite frankly, he was a peaceful man. Despite what the mainstream media will have you believe, the Prophet actually discouraged wars not waged in self defense.
“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. “
~Albert Einstein
The Prophet of Islam used the word "Okatel" which literally means to fight in order to kill, as the verb is derived from the noun "katl" which mean killing.
I am a native Arabic speaker, so I do quite know the meaning of the word.
What's is your response to the above?
Also, by the way there many haidths and Sirahs (Ibn Hisham and Ibn Shaq) that shows the prophet of Islam to be very combative in nature.
Banu Quraizah's incident is a very clear example of this notion. Can you please convince me otherwise.
First of all, I am no scholar. I am actually fairly new to Islam. If you want an authoritative answer to your questions, I would suggest that you go and discuss it with a scholar but in the meantime, I will do my best to answer you.
Normally we don't use public forums to deal with these kind of issues but since you have gotten your desired reaction(I know that you have been itching for a good argument)...You quoted the Shahadah, the devine testimony of a muslim's faith in Allah, as the reason for the fighting amongst muslims.
You have quoted a hadith in English. There are complexities in the arabic language that do not translate well into english so the phrase, lost in translation comes into play.
From the example of the Prophet(SAW) it is absurd to think that he would order us to fight anyone that did not believe. Did he not order us to respect the people of the book? Did he fight anyone that rejected Islam? Did he slaughter the jews in Medina when they rose against him? Did he do any of those things?
Is it inhumane to have a code in battle that spares the women, the children, the old and the holy men of other faiths and their places of worship? Does that sound like a cruel, warlike code to you? Muslims, in time of war were also told to leave the crops and the trees alone.
Certainly, the Prophet(SAW) did not allow others to walk over the muslims or to create civil disobedience. Would any leader of the day allow that? If you want a fluff bunny religion, might I suggest you look into a few of the christian groups or perhaps bhuddism... maybe even wicca.
To suggest that the Shahadah, words prescribed by Allah himself, as the declaration of faith is the cause of strife is an insult to Islam.
You need to go to speak to scholars, not laymen as you will find here. In fact I don't believe that there is anything here for you really. Insha allah, he will guide us all
Last edited by Te'oma; 18-12-07 at 07:28 AM.
All_Brains, as a non-Muslim I suggest you refrain from using daleel, less someone thinks you're Muslims and starts actually listening to you.
He's a murtad
yuck, no wonder he was banned lol
That's absolutely no reason to ban him at all. He had a legitimate question and I was about to answer it. All Brains, if you're reading this, I'm sorry on behalf of my fellow Muslims. What can you do? Ignorance is like fire; once it starts, it spreads everywhere.
“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. “
~Albert Einstein
All the reason to ban him, but since it's not against the rules there must have been something else. Yep ignorance is like wild fire, one murtdad comes along, before you know we have a whole herd of them.
Why does any war happen?
A mixture of some or all of the following : petty nationalism, greed, pure stupidity, politicians attempting to appeal to the masses by inflaming nationalistic sentiments thus deflecting attention away from failing policies, economics, distrust, fear, ethnic hatred, blah, blah, blah, etc.
Latin America is a far worse example of neighbouring countries going to war.
Do we blame Catholicism for that?
No.
Allahumma innee a'oozhubika minal hammi wal huzn, wal 'ajzi wal kasal, wal bukhli wal jubn, wadhal 'iddayni wa ghalabatir-rijaal.
If you can prove them wrong, then there's nothing to worry about, right? Banning only shows weakness and refusal to address the question, regardless of how controversial it may be.
“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. “
~Albert Einstein
War happens for one simple reason. It's called human nature.Cope with it.
“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. “
~Albert Einstein
Our job is to deliver the message, not to win arguments or prove anything.
War, or military struggle is an inalienable right of every nation. Today the kufaar and the munafiqeen have the upper hand, tomorrow when it's our turn do you think we will leave them alone.
Yeah, I have to agree with you on that one. America used to be about a nation of peace. That is until Thomas Jefferson died. Since then, we have become a nation of world policing. America keeps intervening into other countries' businesses, acting like the big bad boss on the playground. The American people's mentality must change in order for peace to resonate among all people of the world. This is why the Arabs are fighting back. And they have the nerve to call them terrorists. I love America and I was born and raised here, but that doesn't mean that I must adhere to whatever policy it assumes. In fact, I can't find one policy that I like. This is why it's crucial for us to vote for Ron Paul. He can change all of this. We need to start being non interventionists.
“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. “
~Albert Einstein
Is he paying you or something?This is why it's crucial for us to vote for Ron Paul
How remarkably arrogant. Keep the flippant one-liners for the school playground, please.War happens for one simple reason. It's called human nature.
It’s a lot more complicated than just “human nature”. If the cause of war was simply “human nature”, every human being on the planet would be naturally predisposed to fighting war, This is obviously not the case. There are a myriad of sociological and psychological factors that invariably determine or constrain human nature.
Human behaviour is incredibly diverse, there is no standard model of behaviour upon which we can be judged. Genetic predisposition toward certain behaviours may be indicative of “human nature”, but genetic predisposition itself is subject to influence from one’s environment.
Allahumma innee a'oozhubika minal hammi wal huzn, wal 'ajzi wal kasal, wal bukhli wal jubn, wadhal 'iddayni wa ghalabatir-rijaal.
No. We actually pay him.I brought him up because it was relevant since this dude I was responding to was ****ed off at American interventionism in the Middle East. What good would it do if I offered no solutions? I offered the solution: Ron Paul! Don't hate.
“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. “
~Albert Einstein
It was an oversimplification. I agree. However, if you're a devout Muslim then you'd know the first murder was committed by Cain against Abel because of jealousy. The Koran even mentions many instances in which men have waged war because they felt they were superior. I didn't say it was absolute human nature. But it is very common. And your analysis is weak since that would be like saying since we all need water, we all want water, which isn't always the case. Just because it's in us doesn't mean we don't resist it.
“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. “
~Albert Einstein
what are RP's social stances? Stances on medicare?Mecdicaid?social aidNo. We actually pay him.
Is he going to introduce a fore liberatarianomics in which the poor get screwed over ?
May Allah Bless Us All.
Hmm... without water we'd die.
read my signature
the Prophet was a realist, not a follower of gandi
fighting has been prescribed on you, whether you like it or not
it is a part of islam, it is the pinnacle of islam, nothing is greater in islam that fighting in the cause of Allah
Terrorists do not walk around in turbans and long beards, but they wear suits and ties.
Innocents are primarily killed by foreign policies which command bombs dropped from jet planes, tanks, and naval vessels.
NOT from "suicide bombings".
People who fight against this naked aggression are called terrorists. People who purport this evil upon mankind are called heroes.
Stop being a victim of your own ignorance.
dont hate?No. We actually pay him.
what is with you advocating this kafir, ron paul?
this guy is deaf, dumb and blind, and you think he is fit to lead muslims?
no he isnt
i dont even know if he is fit to lead kafirs, and you are advertising him like he is the mahdi
what is wrong with you? you come with this faith question, now you come with ron paul
sounds strange to me
Terrorists do not walk around in turbans and long beards, but they wear suits and ties.
Innocents are primarily killed by foreign policies which command bombs dropped from jet planes, tanks, and naval vessels.
NOT from "suicide bombings".
People who fight against this naked aggression are called terrorists. People who purport this evil upon mankind are called heroes.
Stop being a victim of your own ignorance.
akhi, you got ron paul on the brain and a very simplistic version of american history
i am sure there are about 200 tribes of american indians who would disagree with your assessment that ameica used to be a nation of peace
and a few mexicans, some french, british, spanish, even dutch would also take umbrage at that statement
not to mention black folk
Terrorists do not walk around in turbans and long beards, but they wear suits and ties.
Innocents are primarily killed by foreign policies which command bombs dropped from jet planes, tanks, and naval vessels.
NOT from "suicide bombings".
People who fight against this naked aggression are called terrorists. People who purport this evil upon mankind are called heroes.
Stop being a victim of your own ignorance.
Yes, it was a ridiculous oversimplification. Your furious back-peddling does not, however, remove the arrogance with which you first stated your thoughts.....thoughts that you now admit are incorrect.
You are contradicting yourself.
This point has nothing to do with my analysis.
We DO need water and at some point we all want water. I suggest it's your analysis that is weak.
This is incredibly vague, explain what you mean.Just because it's in us doesn't mean we don't resist it.
Allahumma innee a'oozhubika minal hammi wal huzn, wal 'ajzi wal kasal, wal bukhli wal jubn, wadhal 'iddayni wa ghalabatir-rijaal.
Yet here you are, year after year - sitting at the computer, telling people God created them to get up and fight.
Last edited by cosmicdancer; 22-12-07 at 01:14 AM.
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