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    The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan


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    The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Praise be to Allaah Who has perfected our religion for us, and has completed His Favour upon us. And blessings and peace be upon His Prophet and Messenger Muhammad, the Prophet of repentance and mercy.

    Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):
    “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion

    [al-Maa’idah 5:3]
    “Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods) who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not ordained?

    [al-Shooraa 42:21]
    In al-Saheehayn it is reported from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

    “Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours [Islam] that is not part of it, will have it rejected.”

    In Saheeh Muslim it is narrated from Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say in his Friday khutbahs:

    “The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The most evil of things are those which are newly-invented, and every innovation (bid’ah) is a going-astray.”

    And there are many aayaat and ahaadeeth which say similar things.

    This clearly indicates that Allaah has perfected the religion of this ummah, and completed His favour upon them. He did not take the soul of His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) until he had conveyed the Message clearly and explained to the ummah everything that Allaah had prescribed for it of words and deeds. He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained that everything that people would innovate after he was gone, all the words and deeds that they would attribute to Islam, all of that would be thrown back on the one who invented it, even if his intention was good.

    The companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) knew this matter, as did the scholars of Islam after them. They denounced bid’ah and warned against it, as has been stated by all those who wrote books praising the Sunnah and denouncing bid’ah, such as Ibn Waddaah, al-Tartooshi, Ibn Shaamah and others.

    Among the bid’ahs that have been invented by some people is celebrating the middle of Sha’baan (Laylat al-Nusf min Sha’baan), and singling out that day for fasting. There is no evidence (daleel) for that which can be regarded as reliable.

    Some da’eef (weak) ahaadeeth have been narrated concerning its virtues, but we cannot regard them as reliable. The reports which have been narrated concerning the virtues of prayer on this occasion are all mawdoo’ (fabricated) , as has been pointed out by many of the scholars. We will quote some of their comments below, in sha Allaah.

    Some reports have also been narrated on this matter from some of the salaf in Syria, and others. What the majority of scholars say is that celebrating this occasion is bid’ah, and that the ahaadeeth concerning the virtues of this occasion are all da’eef (weak), and some of them are mawdoo’ (fabricated) .

    Among those who pointed this out was al-Haafiz Ibn Rajab, in his book Lataa’if al-Ma’aarif, and others. The da’eef ahaadeeth concerning acts of worship can only be acted upon in the case of acts of worship which are proven by saheeh evidence. There is no saheeh basis for celebrating the middle of Sha’baan, so we cannot follow the da’eef ahaadeeth either.

    This important principle was mentioned by Imaam Abu’l-‘Abbaas Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him).

    The scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) were agreed that it is obligatory to refer matters concerning which the people dispute to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

    Whatever ruling both or one of them give is the sharee’ah which must be followed, and whatever goes against them must be rejected. Any acts of worship which are not mentioned in them are therefore bid’ah and it is not permissible to do them, let alone call others to do them or approve of them.

    As Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
    “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allaah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination

    [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]
    “And in whatsoever you differ, the decision thereof is with Allaah (He is the ruling Judge)”

    [al-Shooraa 42:10]
    “Say (O Muhammad to mankind): “If you (really) love Allaah, then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Qur’aan and the Sunnah), Allaah will love you and forgive you your sins

    [Aal ‘Imraan 3:31]
    “But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission”

    [al-Nisaa’ 4:65]
    And there are many similar aayaat which clearly state that matters of dispute are to be referred to the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and that their ruling is to be accepted. This is the requirement of faith and this is what is best for people in this world and in the next:
    “That is better and more suitable for final determination”

    [al-Nisaa’ 4:59 ]

    – interpretation of the meaning means, in the Hereafter.
    Al-Haafiz Ibn Rajab (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his book Lataa’if al-Ma’aarif concerning this matter – after previously discussing it –

    “Laylat al-Nusf min Sha’baan (the middle of Sha’baan) was venerated by the Taabi’een among the people of al-Shaam, such as Khaalid ibn Mi’daan, Makhool, Luqmaan ibn ‘Aamir and others, who used to strive in worship on this night. The people took the idea of the virtue of this night and of venerating it from them.

    It was said that they heard of Israa’eeli reports (reports from Jewish sources) concerning that. Most of the scholars of the Hijaaz denounced that, including ‘Ataa’ and Ibn Abi Maleekah. ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Zayd ibn Aslam narrated that view from the fuqahaa’ of Madeenah, and this was the view of the companions of Maalik and others. They said: this is all bid’ah… No comment from Imaam Ahmad concerning Laylat al-Nusf min Sha’baan is known of… Concerning spending the night of the middle of Sha’baan in prayer, there is no sound report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or from his companions…”

    This is what was said by al-Haafiz Ibn Rajab (may Allaah be pleased with him). He clearly states that there is no sound report from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or from his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) about Laylat al-Nusf min Sha’baan (the middle of Sha’baan).

    In every case where there is no sound shar’i evidence that a thing is prescribed in Islam, it is not permissible for the Muslim to innovate things in the religion of Allaah, whether these are individual acts or communal acts, whether he does them in secret or openly, because of the general meaning of the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him):

    “Whoever does any action that is not a part of this matter of ours [Islam], will have it rejected.”


    And there are other daleels (evidence) which indicate that bid’ah is to be denounced and which warn against it.

    Imaam Abu Bakr al-Tartooshi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said, in his book al-Hawaadith wa’l-Bida’: “Ibn Waddaah narrated that Zayd ibn Aslam said: We never met anyone among our shaykhs and fuqahaa’ who paid any attention to Laylat al-Nusf min Sha’baan, or who paid any attention to the hadeeth of Makhool, or who thought that this night was any more special than other nights. It was said to Ibn Abi Maleekah that Ziyaad al-Numayri was saying that the reward of Laylat al-Nusf min Sha’baan was like the reward of Laylat al-Qadr. He said, If I heard him say that and I had a stick in my hand, I would hit him. Ziyaad was a story-teller.”

    Al-‘Allaamah al-Shawkaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Fawaa’id al-Majmoo’ah: “The hadeeth: ‘O ‘Ali, whoever prays one hundred rak’ahs on Laylat al-Nusf min Sha’baan, reciting in each rak’ah the Opening of the Book [Soorat al-Faatihah] and Qul Huwa Allaahu Ahad ten times, Allaah will meet all his needs…’

    This is mawdoo’ (fabricated) [i.e., it is falsely attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him].

    Its wording clearly states the reward that the person who does this will attain, and no man who has any common sense can doubt that this is fabricated. Also, the men of its isnaad are majhool (unknown). It was also narrated via another isnaad, all of which is mawdoo’ (fabricated) and all of whose narrators are majhool (unknown).

    In al-Mukhtasar he said: The hadeeth about the salaah for the middle of Sha’baan is false, and the hadeeth of ‘Ali narrated by Ibn Hibbaan – “ When it is the night of the middle of Sha’baan, spend that night in prayer and fast that day” – is da’eef (weak).

    In al-La’aali’ he said, “One hundred rak’ahs in the middle of Sha’baan, reciting (Soorat) al-Ikhaas ten times in each… (this is) mawdoo’ (fabricated) , and all its narrators in its three isnaads are majhool (unknown) and da’eef (weak). He said: and twelve rak’ahs, reciting al-Ikhlaas thirty times in each, this is mawdoo’; and fourteen (rak’ahs), this is mawdoo’.

    A group of fuqahaa’ were deceived by this hadeeth, such as the author of al-Ihyaa’ and others, as were some of the mufassireen. The prayer of this night – the middle of Sha’baan – was described in different ways, all of which are false and fabricated.”

    Al-Haafiz al-‘Iraaqi said: “The hadeeth about the prayer during the night of the middle of Sha’baan is fabricated and is falsely attributed to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).”

    Imaam al-Nawawi said in his book al-Majmoo’: “The prayer that is known as salaat al-raghaa’ib, which is twelve rak’ahs between Maghrib and ‘Ishaa’ on the night of the first Friday in Rajab, and the prayer of Laylat al-Nusf min Sha’baan, of one hundred rak’ahs – these two prayers are reprehensible bid’ahs. No one should be deceived by the fact that they are mentioned in the books Qoot al-Quloob and Ihyaa’ ‘Uloom al-Deen, or by the hadeeth which is mentioned in these two books. All of that is false. Nor should they be deceived by the fact that some of the imaams were confused about this matter and wrote a few pages stating that these prayers are mustahabb, for they were mistaken in that.”

    Shaykh al-Imaam Abu Muhammad ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Ismaa’eel al-Maqdisi wrote a very valuable book proving that these (reports) are false, and he did a very good job. The scholars spoke at length about this matter, and if we were to quote all that we have read of what they have said about this matter, it would take far too long. Perhaps what we have already mentioned is sufficient to convince the seeker of truth.

    From the aayahs, ahaadeeth and scholarly opinions quoted above, it is clear to the seeker of truth that celebrating the middle of Sha’baan by praying on that night or in any other way, or by singling out that day for fasting, is a bid’ah which is denounced by most of the scholars. It has no basis in the pure sharee’ah; rather it is one of the things that was innovated in Islam after the time of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them). It is sufficient for the seeker of truth, in this case and in others, to know the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):
    “This day, I have perfected your religion for you…”

    [al-Maa’idah 5:3]
    and other similar aayaat; and the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings
    of Allaah be upon him):

    “Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours [Islam] that is not part of it, will have it rejected"


    and other similar ahaadeeth.

    In Saheeh Muslim it is narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:

    “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Do not single out the night of Jumu’ah for praying qiyaam and do not single out the day of Jumu’ah for fasting, unless is it part of the ongoing regular fast of any one of you.’”


    If it were permissible to single out any night for special acts of worship, the night of Jumu’ah would be the most appropriate, because the day of Jumu’ah (Friday) is the best day upon which the sun rises, as is stated in the saheeh hadeeth narrated from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Since the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned against singling out that night for praying qiyaam, that indicates that it is even more prohibited to single out any other night for acts of worship, except where there is saheeh evidence to indicate that a particular night is to be singled out.

    Because it is prescribed to spend the nights of Laylat al-Qadr and the other nights of Ramadaan in prayer, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) drew attention to that and urged his ummah to pray qiyaam during those nights. He also did that himself, as is indicated in al-Saheehayn, where it says that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:

    “Whoever prays qiyaam in Ramadaan out of faith and seeking reward, Allaah will forgive him his previous sins”

    and

    “Whoever spends the night of Laylat al-Qadr in prayer out of faith and seeking reward, Allaah will forgive him his previous sins.”


    But if it were prescribed to single out the night of the middle of Sha’baan, or the night of the first Friday in Rajab, or the night of the Israa’ and Mi’raaj, for celebration or for any special acts of worship, then the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would have taught his ummah to do that, and he would have done it himself. If anything of the sort had happened, his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) would have transmitted it to the ummah; they would not have concealed it from them, for they are the best of people and the most sincere, after the Prophets, may blessings and peace be upon them, and may Allaah be pleased with all the companions of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

    Now we know from the words of the scholars quoted above that there is no report from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or from his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) concerning the virtue of the first night of Jumu’ah in Rajab, or the night of the middle of Sha’baan. So we know that celebrating these occasions is an innovation that has been introduced into Islam, and that singling out these occasions for acts of worship is a reprehensible bid’ah.

    The same applies to the twenty-seventh night of Rajab, which some people believe is the night of the Israa’ and Mi’raaj; it is not permissible to single this date out for acts of worship, or to celebrate this occasion, on the basis of the evidence (daleel) quoted above. This is the case if the exact date (of the Israa’ and Mi’raaj) is known, so how about the fact that the correct scholarly view is that its date is not known! The view that it is the night of the twenty-seventh of Rajab is a false view which has no basis in the saheeh ahaadeeth. He indeed spoke well who said:

    “The best of matters are those which follow the guided way of the salaf, and the most evil of matters are those which are newly-innovated.”


    We ask Allaah to help us and all the Muslims adhere firmly to the Sunnah and to beware of everything that goes against it, for He is the Most Generous, Most Kind.

    May Allaah bless His slave and Messenger, our Prophet Muhammad, and all his family and companions.


    Adapted from Majmoo’ Fataawa Samaahat al-Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, 2/882

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    The best thing to do for the 15th of Sha`baan is to adhere to that which is confirmed in the Sunna, regarding nawaafil prayers, adhkaar, supplication and of course much tasliyya.

    The best text to know what practices are best is Shaykh Abd'l-Qaadir al Jaylani's Fath ar-Rabaani. I am sure someone here has a copy. If they do, please post the section regarding the practices to be done on the 15th of Sha`baan.
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    If we invest our energies in uniting this Ummah instead of diving into the pool of sectarianism, we may better serve the deen. Those who celebrate the night of middle sha'ban, do so because of some narrations which they consider reliable, your continuous preachings won't make them change their views, as their continuous preachings don't make you change your views, Allah will decide these matters on the day of judgment. I see you talk too much about sectarianism, do something good to this ummah, bro. They need you, me and us all. Don't be like our so called religious leaders who have given us mostly division and fitnah.

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    The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Quote Originally Posted by Debater View Post
    If we invest our energies in uniting this Ummah instead of diving into the pool of sectarianism, we may better serve the deen. Those who celebrate the night of middle sha'ban, do so because of some narrations which they consider reliable, your continuous preachings won't make them change their views, as their continuous preachings don't make you change your views, Allah will decide these matters on the day of judgment. I see you talk too much about sectarianism, do something good to this ummah, bro. They need you, me and us all. Don't be like our so called religious leaders who have given us mostly division and fitnah.
    ‘Every event ordained by Allah will come to pass, so seek not to hasten it’
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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Quote Originally Posted by Umm Layth View Post
    The best thing to do for the 15th of Sha`baan is to adhere to that which is confirmed in the Sunna, regarding nawaafil prayers, adhkaar, supplication and of course much tasliyya.

    The best text to know what practices are best is Shaykh Abd'l-Qaadir al Jaylani's Fath ar-Rabaani. I am sure someone here has a copy. If they do, please post the section regarding the practices to be done on the 15th of Sha`baan.
    Shaykh Abdul Qadir al-Gilani recommended the following modality in his Ghunya:

    “As for the ritual prayer traditional for the night of mid-Shaban, it consists of one hundred cycles, including one thousand repetitions of Qul Huwa Allahu Ahad (that is to say, ten recitations in each rak’a). This prayer is called Salat al-Khayr, and its blessings are many and varied. Our righteous predecessors used to gather to perform it in congregation. It contains much merit and rich reward. It is reported of al-Hasan [al=Basri], may Allah be well-pleased with him, that he said: ‘Thirty of the companions of the Messenger of Allah [Peace be upon him] related to me that Allah will look seventy times upon one who performs this prayer on this night, and with each glance He will fulfill seventy of that persons needs, the last of them being forgiveness.’"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunni Student View Post
    Shaykh Abdul Qadir al-Gilani recommended the following modality in his Ghunya:

    “As for the ritual prayer traditional for the night of mid-Shaban, it consists of one hundred cycles, including one thousand repetitions of Qul Huwa Allahu Ahad (that is to say, ten recitations in each rak’a). This prayer is called Salat al-Khayr, and its blessings are many and varied. Our righteous predecessors used to gather to perform it in congregation. It contains much merit and rich reward. It is reported of al-Hasan [al=Basri], may Allah be well-pleased with him, that he said: ‘Thirty of the companions of the Messenger of Allah [Peace be upon him] related to me that Allah will look seventy times upon one who performs this prayer on this night, and with each glance He will fulfill seventy of that persons needs, the last of them being forgiveness.’"
    Al-‘Allaamah al-Shawkaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Fawaa’id al-Majmoo’ah:
    “The hadeeth: ‘O ‘Ali, whoever prays one hundred rak’ahs on Laylat al-Nusf min Sha’baan, reciting in each rak’ah the Opening of the Book [Soorat al-Faatihah] and Qul Huwa Allaahu Ahad ten times, Allaah will meet all his needs…’
    This is mawdoo’ (fabricated) [i.e., it is falsely attributed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him].

    Its wording clearly states the reward that the person who does this will attain, and no man who has any common sense can doubt that this is fabricated. Also, the men of its isnaad are majhool (unknown). It was also narrated via another isnaad, all of which is mawdoo’ (fabricated) and all of whose narrators are majhool (unknown).
    In al-Mukhtasar he said:
    The hadeeth about the salaah for the middle of Sha’baan is false, and the hadeeth of ‘Ali narrated by Ibn Hibbaan –
    “ When it is the night of the middle of Sha’baan, spend that night in prayer and fast that day”

    – is da’eef (weak).
    Last edited by aboosait; 27-08-07 at 01:45 AM.

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Quote Originally Posted by Umm Layth View Post
    The best thing to do for the 15th of Sha`baan is to adhere to that which is confirmed in the Sunna, regarding nawaafil prayers, adhkaar, supplication and of course much tasliyya.

    The best text to know what practices are best is Shaykh Abd'l-Qaadir al Jaylani's Fath ar-Rabaani. I am sure someone here has a copy. If they do, please post the section regarding the practices to be done on the 15th of Sha`baan.
    Is'nt what is your second para contradicting what you have written in the first para?

    I agree with with what is in the first para because it confirms to what Allah s.w.t. says (translation fof the meaning)
    “And in whatsoever you differ, the decision thereof is with Allaah (He is the ruling Judge)”

    [al-Shooraa 42:10]

    “Say (O Muhammad to mankind): “If you (really) love Allaah, then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Qur’aan and the Sunnah), Allaah will love you and forgive you your sins

    [Aal ‘Imraan 3:31]

    “But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission”

    [al-Nisaa’ 4:65]
    And there are many similar aayaat which clearly state that matters of dispute are to be referred to the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and that their ruling is to be accepted. This is the requirement of faith and this is what is best for people in this world and in the next:
    “That is better and more suitable for final determination”

    [al-Nisaa’ 4:59 ]
    – interpretation of the meaning means, in the Hereafter.

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Simple , If the salafis say it is Bidah and dont do it .

    then Ahlus sunnah wal Jamaa'ah will do it .

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Quote Originally Posted by al faqeer View Post
    Simple , If the salafis say it is Bidah and dont do it .

    then Ahlus sunnah wal Jamaa'ah will do it .
    This reminds me of an old folktale from an Indian village.

    A naughty boy was eating a banana while answering nature's call sitting under a tree.

    A passerby advised him to stop eating until he finished with the nature's call and washed his hands and mouth.

    The arrogant boy made faces at him and said "you mind your buiness. I will do as I like, see..."

    So saying dipped the remaining piece of the banana into the excrement and gulped it down.

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Quote Originally Posted by aboosait View Post
    This reminds me of an old folktale from an Indian village.

    A naughty boy was eating a banana while answering nature's call sitting under a tree.

    A passerby advised him to stop eating until he finished with the nature's call and washed his hands and mouth.

    The arrogant boy made faces at him and said "you mind your buiness. I will do as I like, see..."

    So saying dipped the remaining piece of the banana into the excrement and gulped it down.

    That reminds me of Salafis who Stubbornly claim to follow the Salaf yet first Dip what they eat in the Khalaf .

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Bin Baaz.... Hmmm

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    i want proof form both side b4 the night of sha'ban,

    those who BELIEVE in sha'ban ....PROOF!!!!
    AND who DON'T.....PROOF!!!!

    HADITHS PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE B4 THE NIGHT OF SHA'BAN!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ya-rehman View Post
    i want proof form both side b4 the night of sha'ban,

    those who BELIEVE in sha'ban ....PROOF!!!!
    AND who DON'T.....PROOF!!!!

    HADITHS PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE B4 THE NIGHT OF SHA'BAN!

    There are many a threads about this already!
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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Quote Originally Posted by ya-rehman View Post
    i want proof form both side b4 the night of sha'ban,

    those who BELIEVE in sha'ban ....PROOF!!!!
    AND who DON'T.....PROOF!!!!

    HADITHS PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE B4 THE NIGHT OF SHA'BAN!

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137694

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Mu'adh ibn Jabal [May Allah be pleased with him] reports that Prophet [Peace be upon him] said: “Allah looks at his creation on the night of mid-Shaban and He forgives all his creation except for the idolater and the one bent on hatred.”

    Ibn Hibban, Sahih, ed. Shu`ayb Arna'ut 12:481 #5665.

    With a sound chain according to al-Arna’ut and al-Haythami who said that Tabarani also narrated it in his Kabir and Awsat with chains containing only trustworthy narrators, that is: sound (sahih) chains; Ibn Khuzayma included it in his Sahih, which has the same level of acceptance among the experts as Sahih Muslim; and even Albani included it in his Silsila sahiha.

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

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    The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

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    Mu'adh ibn Jabal [May Allah be pleased with him] reports that Prophet [Peace be upon him] said: “Allah looks at his creation on the night of mid-Shaban and He forgives all his creation except for the idolater and the one bent on hatred.”
    Could you post the original Arabic version please?

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

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    Could you post the original Arabic version please?
    "As for what is authentic regarding the night of the 15th of Sha'bân, then the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

    "Allâh, the Blessed and Exalted, comes to His Creation on the 15th night [laylat un-nisf] of Sha'bân, and He forgives all of His Creation, except for the polytheist and the one who has animosity towards other Muslims [al-mushâhin]."


    It is an authentic narration narrated by a number of Companions with a number or different chains that strengthen each other by way of Mu'âth ibn Jabal, Abű Tha'labah al-Khushanî, 'Abdullâh ibn 'Amr, Abű Műsâ al-Ash'arî, Abű Hurayrah, Abű Bakr as-Siddîq, 'Awf ibn Mâlik, and 'Â'ishah…

    (…What follows here in the Arabic is a long, 4-page discussion by al-Albânî of the different chains of the narration.To summarize what he said, different wordings of the narration can be found in 'as-Sunnah' of Ibn Abî 'Âsim, 'Sahîh Ibn Hibbân,' 'Shu'ab al-'Îmân' of al-Bayhaqî, 'al-Mu'jam al-Kabîr' and 'al-Awsat' of at-Tabarânî, the 'Musnad' of al-Imâm Ahmad, the 'Sunan' of Ibn Mâjah, the 'Musnad' of al-Bazzâr, and many others, on the authority of the eight mentioned Companions.)

    …So in summary, the narration is authentic without a doubt, as authenticity could be established for it even if there were not so many routes, so long as they are free of any severe weaknesses, as is the case with this narration."

    [end quote - from 'Silsilat ul-Ahâdîth as-Sahîhah' #1145]

    This hadîth shows us the virtue of the 15th night of Sha'bân, and as Shaykh al-Albânî said in his checking of 'Islâh Al-Masâjid' (p.99): "The authenticity of this hadîth does not necessitate taking this night as an occasion to gather with the people and perform acts of innovation like those the author mentioned…" He is referring to people illuminating the masâjid, praying 100 rak'ahs, reciting Sűrat al-Ikhlâs ten times in each rak'ah, etc. from the things mentioned by al-Qâsimî, the author of 'Islâh al-Masâjid.'

    So, the point is: to specify this night as a night for specific acts of worship is what is to be considered an innovation in the Religion, while we are to acknowledge full well the virtue of this night, as indicated by the above mentioned authentic hadîth – as opposed to what is assumed by some who are overly zealous in protecting the Sunnah and preventing the practice of innovation, that the 15th of Sha'bân has no importance - and Allâh Knows best.
    ..
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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

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    "..............and He forgives all of His Creation, except for the polytheist and .............................. [al-mushâhin]."

    [QUOTE=Sunni Student;2099266]

    ............and He forgives all his creation except for the idolater and .............
    Did you observe the difference?

    In our Sunni Student's post the word idolator is used to mean MUSHRIK and the word in your post is polytheist.

    Acually Shirk Is Not Limited to Idols And Includes Seeking Intercession Through Prophets, Angels, Jinns, and the Righteous.

    Refutation of the Mushriks who seek Intercession and nearness to Allaah by the Righteous dead, and who claim that Shirk is only embodied in invoking idols and stones and trees is contained in the following verses of the Qur'an.

    The verses refer to worship of the Prophets, Angels, Jinn, the righteous dead, and they also allude to the worship of the dead with the use of idols as the focal point, the idols being used to represent those righteous dead.


    Az-Zumar (39):3

    أَلَا لِلَّهِ الدِّينُ الْخَالِصُ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّخَذُوا مِن دُونِهِ أَوْلِيَاء مَا نَعْبُدُهُمْ إِلَّا لِيُقَرِّبُونَا إِلَى اللَّهِ زُلْفَى إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَهُمْ فِي مَا هُمْ فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي مَنْ هُوَ كَاذِبٌ كَفَّارٌ


    Surely, the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allâh only. And those who take Auliyâ' (protectors and helpers) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allâh." Verily, Allâh will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allâh guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever.


    Yunus (10):18

    وَيَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ مَا لاَ يَضُرُّهُمْ وَلاَ يَنفَعُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ هَـؤُلاء شُفَعَاؤُنَا عِندَ اللّهِ قُلْ أَتُنَبِّئُونَ اللّهَ بِمَا لاَ يَعْلَمُ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَلاَ فِي الأَرْضِ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَى عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ


    And they worship besides Allâh things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allâh." Say: "Do you inform Allâh of that which He knows not in the heavens and on the earth?" Glorified and Exalted be He above all that which they associate as partners with Him!


    Al-Ma'idah (5):116

    وَإِذْ قَالَ اللّهُ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَأَنتَ قُلتَ لِلنَّاسِ اتَّخِذُونِي وَأُمِّيَ إِلَـهَيْنِ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ قَالَ سُبْحَانَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِي أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِي بِحَقٍّ إِن كُنتُ قُلْتُهُ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِي وَلاَ أَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِكَ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ عَلاَّمُ الْغُيُوبِ


    And (remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allâh?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner*self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All*Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.


    Also see verses: Saba' (34):40-41, Al-Isra (17):57, Ash-Shu'ara (26):69-73 and Fatir (35):14.

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    "Celebrations" in the middle of Shabaan are Bidah (By Non-Salafi Scholars)!

    Asslamo Allaikum,

    Shaykh Bin-Baaz (RA) is right to a great extent. Shaykh Bin-Baaz (RA) is right to a great extent. I say to a large extent because Scholars in Islam have ascribed importance to this night because of a large number of “Weak Ahadeeth”. & some opinions with references are as follows:

    Imam Shafi rahmatullahi alayh said in Al-Umm, Vol. 1 p. 231:

    Imam Shafi (RA) said, “of the narrations that have reached us, verily, dua is accepted on five nights: the night of Juma’, the night of E’id Al-Adha, the night of E’id Al-Fitr, the first night of Rajab, and the 15th night of Shabaan”.

    Imam Ibn-Taimiyyah (RA): (Kutub Wa Rasila Wa Fatawa Ibn Taymiyyah Fil Fiqh Volume 23/Page 132)

    As for the 15th night of Shabaan, there are many narrations and Athar (quotes from the Sahabah ) regarding its virtue. It has been reported of the salaf that they prayed in this night. Therefore, praying alone on this night, having precedence in the salaf, is sufficient evidence and something of this kind surely cannot be denied.

    Imam Ibn-Taimiyyah (RA): (Kutub Wa Rasial Wa Fatawa Ibn Taymiyyah Fil Fiqh Volume 23/Page 131)

    If one prays on this night alone or in a select company of people as many groups amongst the salaf did, then it is good. As for congregating in the masjid upon a fixed prayer like gathering upon a salat with 100 rakats, and reciting Surah Ikhlas a thousand times, this is bida’t. None of the scholars extolled this and Allah knows best.

    Shaikh Mubarakpuri writes in Tuhfatul Ahwadhi Vol.3 P.365

    You should know that a sufficient number of hadith has been narrated confirming the virtues of the 15th night of Shabaan. All these ahaadith prove that it has a basis.

    Nevertheless the "Celebrations as common in Asian & other Cultures MUST be condemned"



    Mufti Taqi Usmani:


    http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/shab1.htm
    http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/15fast.htm

    Mufti Zubair Dudha (UK):

    http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/shabraat.htm

    Shaykhul Hadith Fazlur Rahman Aazmi (South Africa):

    http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/fastshbbarat.htm

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    Re: "Celebrations" in the middle of Shabaan are Bidah (By Non-Salafi Scholars)!

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    Asslamo Allaikum,

    Shaykh Bin-Baaz (RA) is right to a great extent. Shaykh Bin-Baaz (RA) is right to a great extent. I say to a large extent because Scholars in Islam have ascribed importance to this night because of a large number of “Weak Ahadeeth”. & some opinions with references are as follows:

    Imam Shafi rahmatullahi alayh said in Al-Umm, Vol. 1 p. 231:

    Imam Shafi (RA) said, “of the narrations that have reached us, verily, dua is accepted on five nights: the night of Juma’, the night of E’id Al-Adha, the night of E’id Al-Fitr, the first night of Rajab, and the 15th night of Shabaan”.

    Imam Ibn-Taimiyyah (RA): (Kutub Wa Rasila Wa Fatawa Ibn Taymiyyah Fil Fiqh Volume 23/Page 132)

    As for the 15th night of Shabaan, there are many narrations and Athar (quotes from the Sahabah ) regarding its virtue. It has been reported of the salaf that they prayed in this night. Therefore, praying alone on this night, having precedence in the salaf, is sufficient evidence and something of this kind surely cannot be denied.

    Imam Ibn-Taimiyyah (RA): (Kutub Wa Rasial Wa Fatawa Ibn Taymiyyah Fil Fiqh Volume 23/Page 131)

    If one prays on this night alone or in a select company of people as many groups amongst the salaf did, then it is good. As for congregating in the masjid upon a fixed prayer like gathering upon a salat with 100 rakats, and reciting Surah Ikhlas a thousand times, this is bida’t. None of the scholars extolled this and Allah knows best.

    Shaikh Mubarakpuri writes in Tuhfatul Ahwadhi Vol.3 P.365

    You should know that a sufficient number of hadith has been narrated confirming the virtues of the 15th night of Shabaan. All these ahaadith prove that it has a basis.

    Nevertheless the "Celebrations as common in Asian & other Cultures MUST be condemned"



    Mufti Taqi Usmani:


    http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/shab1.htm
    http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/15fast.htm

    Mufti Zubair Dudha (UK):

    http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/shabraat.htm

    Shaykhul Hadith Fazlur Rahman Aazmi (South Africa):

    http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/fastshbbarat.htm
    didnt get that brother ?

    are you with it or against it ? Personally i see nothing wrong in doing more Du3aa on this particular night , but Celebrations Is not part of the night only 3ibaada .

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    The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Since when did reading quran, praying, making dua and fasting count as celebrating?

    Really, what is the harm in doing all of this? If you regularly pray, read Quran etc, then theres no problem is there. And for those who dont regulalry pray or make dua, they can make the most of the opportunity and it can be a starting point for them, even if it is based on 'weak' hadith.

    Since when did you all become scholars? Please stop making everything bidah for everyone.
    Yawmaithin tu’a A’radoona la takhfa minkum khafiyatun [69:18]
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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    A lot of people were asking this on Islam q n A yesterday on Islam channel if you have it they show the re-runs today i think at about 1ish (u can check the website) inshAllah
    Bye bye

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Quote Originally Posted by Na'ima View Post
    Since when did reading quran, praying, making dua and fasting count as celebrating?

    Really, what is the harm in doing all of this? If you regularly pray, read Quran etc, then theres no problem is there. And for those who dont regulalry pray or make dua, they can make the most of the opportunity and it can be a starting point for them, even if it is based on 'weak' hadith.

    Since when did you all become scholars? Please stop making everything bidah for everyone.
    You need to visit the sub continent and certain people from there, and see how they 'celebrate' this day.

    Agree with what you say, except about the weak hadith, Allah knows.
    "If you speak, then consider your words, articulate your speech and make clear what you intend; do not allow them to carry a number of meanings, and do not use words that may be misunderstood, or words that are ambiguous and will need further explanations and clarifications, for your opponent will not remember your explanation, and if his heart is diseased he will release your words and direct them where he pleases."

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    Worhship NOT Celebration!

    Quote Originally Posted by al faqeer View Post
    didnt get that brother ?

    are you with it or against it ? Personally i see nothing wrong in doing more Du3aa on this particular night , but Celebrations Is not part of the night only 3ibaada .
    Asslamo Allaikum,

    We are both saying the same thing, Insha'Allah.

    There are Ulama who are of the opinion that there is Barakah in this night, therefore Brothers/Sisters ascribing to such an opinion should do Ibadaah (worship) & not celebrate!

    In Pakistan, it is the exact opposite, people go around singing, dancing, throwing firecrackers, cooking and distributing sweets etc. which are complete against the Sunnah on any night let alone a night where one should seek to be closer to Allah (SWT).

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    Re: Worhship NOT Celebration!

    Quote Originally Posted by HelpingHand View Post
    Asslamo Allaikum,

    We are both saying the same thing, Insha'Allah.

    There are Ulama who are of the opinion that there is Barakah in this night, therefore Brothers/Sisters ascribing to such an opinion should do Ibadaah (worship) & not celebrate!

    In Pakistan, it is the exact opposite, people go around singing, dancing, throwing firecrackers, cooking and distributing sweets etc. which are complete against the Sunnah on any night let alone a night where one should seek to be closer to Allah (SWT).
    Well Brother People have to be happy let them be happy , and if they are doing something wrong , its between them and Allah right .

    Leave the Creation to the Creator .

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    Re: Worhship NOT Celebration!

    Quote Originally Posted by al faqeer View Post
    Well Brother People have to be happy let them be happy , and if they are doing something wrong , its between them and Allah right .

    Leave the Creation to the Creator .
    "You (true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his Sunnah) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma`ruf (i.e., Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden)''. (3:110)
    "If you speak, then consider your words, articulate your speech and make clear what you intend; do not allow them to carry a number of meanings, and do not use words that may be misunderstood, or words that are ambiguous and will need further explanations and clarifications, for your opponent will not remember your explanation, and if his heart is diseased he will release your words and direct them where he pleases."

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    Re: Worhship NOT Celebration!

    [QUOTE=al faqeer;2100716]

    Well Brother People have to be happy let them be happy ,
    Happiness in this life is not all. Help them to be happy in the eternal life in the hereafter.

    Leave the Creation to the Creator
    Where can you go leaving the creation? You are from the creation and will remain in created places....in dunya, in barzakh and in akhirah.

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    Re: Worhship NOT Celebration!

    Quote Originally Posted by Abandoned-Mind View Post
    "You (true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and his Sunnah) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma`ruf (i.e., Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden)''. (3:110)
    They are not doing Munkar or polytheism , Its not like they killing innocent civilians right or wrong ?

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    Re: Worhship NOT Celebration!

    Quote Originally Posted by al faqeer View Post
    They are not doing Munkar or polytheism , Its not like they killing innocent civilians right or wrong ?
    Their belief is wrong, its not from Islaam, as you said yourself, it needs to be dealt with. Advise them.

    Sorry to put a downer on your party.
    "If you speak, then consider your words, articulate your speech and make clear what you intend; do not allow them to carry a number of meanings, and do not use words that may be misunderstood, or words that are ambiguous and will need further explanations and clarifications, for your opponent will not remember your explanation, and if his heart is diseased he will release your words and direct them where he pleases."

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    Re: Worhship NOT Celebration!

    [QUOTE=aboosait;2100882]
    Quote Originally Posted by al faqeer View Post



    Happiness in this life is not all. Help them to be happy in the eternal life in the hereafter.



    Where can you go leaving the creation? You are from the creation and will remain in created places....in dunya, in barzakh and in akhirah.
    Man you really are stuck on the PAAN man !

    anyways if you dont understand english its not my problem , better i stop talking to your likes b4 you call the Quran kufr again .


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    Re: Worhship NOT Celebration!

    Quote Originally Posted by Abandoned-Mind View Post
    Their belief is wrong, its not from Islaam, as you said yourself, it needs to be dealt with. Advise them.

    Sorry to put a downer on your party.
    Its wrong according to Khalafis , Not all Ahlus sunnah , so your argument will be ignored since Nowadays thats what most muslims do with salafi opinions .

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    Re: Worhship NOT Celebration!

    Quote Originally Posted by al faqeer View Post
    Its wrong according to Khalafis , Not all Ahlus sunnah , so your argument will be ignored since Nowadays thats what most muslims do with salafi opinions .
    OK. I take fireworks etc are part of the Salaf actions on the day eh.
    "If you speak, then consider your words, articulate your speech and make clear what you intend; do not allow them to carry a number of meanings, and do not use words that may be misunderstood, or words that are ambiguous and will need further explanations and clarifications, for your opponent will not remember your explanation, and if his heart is diseased he will release your words and direct them where he pleases."

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

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    Did you observe the difference?

    In our Sunni Student's post the word idolator is used to mean MUSHRIK and the word in your post is polytheist.

    Acually Shirk Is Not Limited to Idols And Includes Seeking Intercession Through Prophets, Angels, Jinns, and the Righteous.

    Refutation of the Mushriks who seek Intercession and nearness to Allaah by the Righteous dead, and who claim that Shirk is only embodied in invoking idols and stones and trees is contained in the following verses of the Qur'an.

    The verses refer to worship of the Prophets, Angels, Jinn, the righteous dead, and they also allude to the worship of the dead with the use of idols as the focal point, the idols being used to represent those righteous dead.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B]

    Az-Zumar (39):3

    أَلَا لِلَّهِ الدِّينُ الْخَالِصُ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّخَذُوا مِن دُونِهِ أَوْلِيَاء مَا نَعْبُدُهُمْ إِلَّا لِيُقَرِّبُونَا إِلَى اللَّهِ زُلْفَى إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَهُمْ فِي مَا هُمْ فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي مَنْ هُوَ كَاذِبٌ كَفَّارٌ


    Surely, the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allâh only. And those who take Auliyâ' (protectors and helpers) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allâh." Verily, Allâh will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allâh guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever.


    Yunus (10):18

    وَيَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ مَا لاَ يَضُرُّهُمْ وَلاَ يَنفَعُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ هَـؤُلاء شُفَعَاؤُنَا عِندَ اللّهِ قُلْ أَتُنَبِّئُونَ اللّهَ بِمَا لاَ يَعْلَمُ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَلاَ فِي الأَرْضِ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَى عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ


    And they worship besides Allâh things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allâh." Say: "Do you inform Allâh of that which He knows not in the heavens and on the earth?" Glorified and Exalted be He above all that which they associate as partners with Him!


    Al-Ma'idah (5):116

    وَإِذْ قَالَ اللّهُ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَأَنتَ قُلتَ لِلنَّاسِ اتَّخِذُونِي وَأُمِّيَ إِلَـهَيْنِ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ قَالَ سُبْحَانَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِي أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِي بِحَقٍّ إِن كُنتُ قُلْتُهُ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِي وَلاَ أَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِكَ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ عَلاَّمُ الْغُيُوبِ


    [I][FONT="Century Gothic"][SIZE="3"][COLOR="Green"][INDENT]And (remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allâh?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner*self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All*Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.

    Also see verses: Saba' (34):40-41, Al-Isra (17):57, Ash-Shu'ara (26):69-73 and Fatir (35):14.
    The translation of the hadith was not my own, it was of Shaikh Gibril Haddad's and also to find out which is correct we would need to look at the arabic, i find it ridiculous that when your initial claim of the thread is refuted regarding the innovation of mid-Shaban then you switch your angle and shoot to another topic, i mean come on brother why is there the need to go into the issue of Intercession? Why are you causing Fitnah in every thread? Take the advice of Shaikh you quoted about seeking knowledge and not branding everyone as evil sinners and innovators, especially if you have limited knowledge.

    Even Ibn Baaz and Albani say it is not Shirk to seek the Intercession of the Prophet [Peace be upon him] at his grave, they regard it as a Innovation that can lead to Shirk.

    Please read the opinions of the Scholars, without getting into this argument i would just say May Allah restrain you from causing Fitnah, i had a very detailed discussion on LI Islamic Forums on this very Issue, its a shame they deleted all my posts a few months after the discussion so they can hide the other side of the argument.

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    Re: Worhship NOT Celebration!

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    Man you really are stuck on the PAAN man !

    anyways if you dont understand english its not my problem , better i stop talking to your likes b4 you call the Quran kufr again .

    I get the same problem with him

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

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    The translation of the hadith was not my own
    Does'nt make any difference because u approve of it and only this is what is clear from my statement
    In our Sunni Student's post the word idolator is used to mean MUSHRIK and the word in your post is polytheist.
    Please also note that I have not said it is your own interpretation.

    to find out which is correct we would need to look at the arabic
    obviously.

    why is there the need to go into the issue of Intercession?
    Because I found a mis interpretation of the word Mushrik.

    Why are you causing Fitnah in every thread?
    You consider pointing out your mistake as fitnah?

    Even Ibn Baaz and Albani say ....
    Go tell that to some muqallid of these Shaikhs.

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    What is this?
    Last edited by aboosait; 29-08-07 at 01:03 AM.

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

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    Please read the opinions of the Scholars,
    Please read the actual Quranic verses translated by learned scholars and posted by me here and do not try to create fitnah here with the sugar coated opinions of your scholars.

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

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    Does'nt make any difference because u approve of it and only this is what is clear from my statement Please also note that I have not said it is your own interpretation.


    obviously.



    Because I found a mis interpretation of the word Mushrik.



    You consider pointing out your mistake as fitnah?

    Go tell that to some muqallid of these Shaikhs.



    What is this?

    NAh thats not fitnah , when i come in a thread and you are already in it aboosait it means time to humiliate .

    So you are a blind follower of the khalaf scholars who you see as prophets , thats why you have these ITS BIDA ITS BIDA out cry's .

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Quote Originally Posted by aboosait View Post
    Please read the actual Quranic verses translated by learned scholars and posted by me here and do not try to create fitnah here with the sugar coated opinions of your scholars.
    You always mis-interpret the Tafseers, if these Ayahs are refering to all types of Intercession then seeking the Intercession of the Prophet [Peace be upon him] on the day of Judgment would not be acceptable.

    The Ayahs you have quoted are in regards to those who put there trust in other than Allah those who believed that Other than Allah can benefit them by themselves, those who requested other than Allah for direct help.

    When we seek the Intercession of the Prophet [Peace be upon him] we ask him to make Dua to Allah on our behalf, we do not worship him and we do not ask him for direct help.

    Funny how now you quote Ibn Kathir as a learned Scholar and you take his opinion on every Quran Ayah, lets see what you say when you see explicit Tawassul in Ibn Kathirs Tafsir

    I will make a thread on this when i come back from Yorkshire Inshallah, but i will not be replying for a week or so because i will be away, feel free to attack what i have said, as it will satisfy your nafs.

    There was no need to go into this discussion, you simply could have pointed out the difference in translation.

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    Re: The Bid`ah of Celebrating the Middle of Sha’baan

    Quote Originally Posted by aboosait View Post
    Because I found a mis interpretation of the word Mushrik.
    You do not know if it is a mis-interpretation unless you look up the hadith yourself!

    You consider pointing out your mistake as fitnah?

    You are pointing out something you are not even sure of being a mistake, first prove it was a mistake!

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