Shouldnt the muslim community of UK protest the recent terror attacks?

[junaid368]

i mean this is the only way to stop such attacks from these "terrorists" who claim to be muslims but really arent. i think we muslims ought to protest and show the world that Islam isnt about blowing thing up

[Tax-Man]

Not a big fan of protest but we should speak out and condemn these actions

[Abandoned-Mind]

1) No one knows who did it.

(if they are muslim
2) Comndemnation Islamically should come through showing proof from the Qur'aan and Sunnaah and advise, rather than shouting on the BBC at the pleasure of the Kuffaar.

3) Condemn the Kuffaar for their wrongs in OUR lands.

4) Don't forget, if they are muslim, they are your brothers.

Don't ever give the impression the kuffaar are more valuable.

This is a difference between correcting, advising and disassociating completely.

I know people don't like to be tested because of their deen, just remember Muhammad saws and the companions..

They had the best dawah, best method, and still went through alot.

[Neurostyler]

3) Condemn the Kuffaar for their wrongs in OUR lands.

Which lands? I thought Muslim lands didn't exist.

[Saadet]

Sunnaah

So you guys are doubling up on consonents now, too, huh?

[Tax-Man]

4) Don't forget, if they are Muslim, they are your brothers.

I don't care who these guys are it's wrong and I'll condemn them.

[Saadet]

No Muslims should make any official condemnation of this incident, even if it was an act of 'Islamic terrorism'.

Why should we be expected to? During the Troubles, how many editorials did you see demanding that the Irish people condemn the IRA or the PIRA? Why weren't the Serbs expected to condemn the genocide committed in Bosna by their ethnic brothers? I don't recall either of Israel's chief Rabbis condemning Baruch Goldstein.

If any kafir out there want to hear a condemnation from me simply because I'm Muslim, here it is:

I condemn the massacres of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan by coalition forces and their Shia militant allies. I condemn the wanton torture and murder of civilians in Chechnya by the Russian military. I condemn the systematic campaign of rape against Muslim civilians in Kashmir by the Indian military. I condemn 'extraordinary rendition', Camp X-Ray, and violations of civil rights in the name of 'the War on Terror'.

How's that for a condemnation?

[Abu Ahlam]

i mean this is the only way to stop such attacks from these "terrorists" who claim to be muslims but really arent. i think we muslims ought to protest and show the world that Islam isnt about blowing thing up

How dare you sprout such drivel. For all I know they are Muslims, and you aren't. You may not agree with the methods they employ, but what they have done does not negate their Kalima.

To answer your question. No, why because all black people are not responsible for (black) gun crime, as has been indicated recently by the government. All Muslims are not responsible for acts of terrorism, as has been indicated recently by the government. And all (white) Christians are not responsible for the works of Combat-18 and the likes.

p.s. Just because you say something is wrong, don't matter how many times you say it, it ain't gonna stop happening.

[Abandoned-Mind]

I don't care who these guys are it's wrong and I'll condemn them.

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves... "

Your choice in what you do.



Saadet - Bleh.

[Muslim_Online]

Generally speaking here people: All Muslims do things believing in their permissability and as long as there are principles - it's ijtihaad.

Any differences/disagreements should be raised in talks with the other side or view.

One Ummah.

- MO

[Abandoned-Mind]

Which lands? I thought Muslim lands didn't exist.

You got that from?

[Neurostyler]

You got that from?

Well, I thought that was the reason Muslims who don't like the West gave for living in the West and not moving to Muslim lands: "There are no Muslim lands".

[Muslim_Online]

No Muslims should make any official condemnation of this incident, even if it was an act of 'Islamic terrorism'.

Why should we be expected to? During the Troubles, how many editorials did you see demanding that the Irish people condemn the IRA or the PIRA? Why weren't the Serbs expected to condemn the genocide committed in Bosna by their ethnic brothers? I don't recall either of Israel's chief Rabbis condemning Baruch Goldstein.

If any kafir out there want to hear a condemnation from me simply because I'm Muslim, here it is:

I condemn the massacres of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan by coalition forces and their Shia militant allies. I condemn the wanton torture and murder of civilians in Chechnya by the Russian military. I condemn the systematic campaign of rape against Muslim civilians in Kashmir by the Indian military. I condemn 'extraordinary rendition', Camp X-Ray, and violations of civil rights in the name of 'the War on Terror'.

How's that for a condemnation?

Strong.

[Abu Noah]

i mean this is the only way to stop such attacks from these "terrorists" who claim to be muslims but really arent. i think we muslims ought to protest and show the world that Islam isnt about blowing thing up

I think terrorist **** need to be routed out from within their communities, lets sort this out from the ground up rather than from the top down.

[Muslim_Online]

I think terrorist **** need to be routed out from within their communities, lets sort this out from the ground up rather than from the top down.

I guess you need to either A) Assuming you're in UK, go to an army base or B) Go to Afghanistan/Iraq and fight those allied forces then.

O, wait. I forgot. Islaamic Terrorism only. No such thing as Imperialist Terrorism.

I'm sorry.

- MO

[Ruprecht]

I condemn the massacres of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan by coalition forces and their Shia militant allies. I condemn the wanton torture and murder of civilians in Chechnya by the Russian military. I condemn the systematic campaign of rape against Muslim civilians in Kashmir by the Indian military. I condemn 'extraordinary rendition', Camp X-Ray, and violations of civil rights in the name of 'the War on Terror'.

How's that for a condemnation?

Oh... snap.

Of course I also condemn these stupid acts of terrorism.

[Abandoned-Mind]

Oh... snap.

Of course I also condemn these stupid acts of terrorism.

What did it get you?

[Tax-Man]

I think terrorist **** need to be routed out from within their communities, lets sort this out from the ground up rather than from the top down.

[Abandoned-Mind]

Well, I thought that was the reason Muslims who don't like the West gave for living in the West and not moving to Muslim lands: "There are no Muslim lands".

I'm sure they have said/meant 'Islaamic' lands.

[Ruprecht]

What did it get you?

Moral perspective.

[Abandoned-Mind]

Moral perspective.

What did it get those that were oppressed and 'terrorised'?

[Tax-Man]

I ask the question, if you guys believe Innocent travellers are valid targets why do some of you continue to live comfy lives in the west?

[Muslim_Online]

Oh... snap.

Of course I also condemn these stupid acts of terrorism.

Well, it's democratically elected governments (and a couple of odd ones too) not 'dissidents and/or 'guerilla groups' carrying out those.

"And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers. Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not."

al-Baqarah: 11-12

- MO

[Ruprecht]

What did it get those that were oppressed and 'terrorised'?

Prayer and support.

[Ruprecht]

Well, it's democratically elected governments (and a couple of odd ones too) not 'dissidents and/or 'guerilla groups' carrying out those.

"And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peacemakers. Verily! They are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not."

al-Baqarah: 11-12

- MO

Any evidence?

[Abandoned-Mind]

Prayer and support.

I remember a poem once with the words "Two fingers won't stop a bullet".

Anyway here is what Allaah swt commanded the Muslims to deal about the opressed and co :

"And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill*treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help." 4:75

[Muslim_Online]

Any evidence?

That America, Britain, Europe, Israel, India, Russia and few others are invading, occupying, killing, mass-murdering other nations?

Ya kiddin' me? If what they do isn't terrorism, I don't know what is mate, sorry.

- MO

[Al-Qamar]

The muslim community should not protest against attempted terrorism.

The muslim community is not responsible for attempted terrorism, and to protest would suggest the muslims are guilty.

Muslims should sufficiently respond with the Words of Allah swt:

"If anyone slew an innocent person it would be as if he slew the whole mankind and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole mankind" Surah 5.32

[Ruprecht]

I remember a poem once with the words "Two fingers won't stop a bullet".

Anyway here is what Allaah swt commanded the Muslims to deal about the opressed and co :

"And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill*treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help." 4:75

I must have missed the bit about blowing up civilians.

[Ruprecht]

That America, Britain, Europe, Israel, India, Russia and few others are invading, occupying, killing, mass-murdering other nations?

Ya kiddin' me? If what they do isn't terrorism, I don't know what is mate, sorry.

- MO

I was talking about these recent failed attacks.
I thought you were saying it was some sort of conspiracy.

[junaid368]

How dare you sprout such drivel. For all I know they are Muslims, and you aren't. You may not agree with the methods they employ, but what they have done does not negate their Kalima.

To answer your question. No, why because all black people are not responsible for (black) gun crime, as has been indicated recently by the government. All Muslims are not responsible for acts of terrorism, as has been indicated recently by the government. And all (white) Christians are not responsible for the works of Combat-18 and the likes.

p.s. Just because you say something is wrong, don't matter how many times you say it, it ain't gonna stop happening.

i dont agree with their methods because they are NOT the methods of a mujahid, why do they have to sneak up to them and detonate the bomb? Why cant the go up to them and fight them face to face? and die for the cause of Allah

[Abu Ahlam]

i dont agree with their methods because they are NOT the methods of a mujahid, why do they have to sneak up to them and detonate the bomb? Why cant the go up to them and fight them face to face? and die for the cause of Allah

I'm sure your not expecting Mujahideen to fight hand to hand combat with a sward. Times have changed, if what you have in question is the sneaking up then the history of Islam shows many Mujahideen sneaking up on people, there is one incident where the Prophet (saw) gave a mission to some Muslims to kill someone, they sneaked up and killed him at night not far from his wife.

[Fudhayl]

i mean this is the only way to stop such attacks from these "terrorists" who claim to be muslims but really arent. i think we muslims ought to protest and show the world that Islam isnt about blowing thing up

Your jumping the gun in pointing fingers at your own brothers and sisters, a little hasty.

Sure, you hold a protest outside your house- have some placards ready, a few petitions too, and chain yourself to the refuse bin outside for maximum effect insha'allah, I am sure someone will listen and do the same outside his house too.

[junaid368]

Your jumping the gun in pointing fingers at your own brothers and sisters, a little hasty.

Sure, you hold a protest outside your house- have some placards ready, a few petitions too, and chain yourself to the refuse bin outside for maximum effect insha'allah, I am sure someone will listen and do the same outside his house too.

we'r not even sure if those he did it are real muslims who follow the quran and the sunnah or .....

[.: Rashid :.]

Whatever you do, don't make takfir

The Prophet said when a Muslims calls someone a kafir, its true for one of them i.e. he was right, or by calling a Muslim a kafir he commited an act of kufr

-Rashid

[Fudhayl]

we'r not even sure if those he did it are real muslims who follow the quran and the sunnah or .....

Dude first things first wait to establish whether there comes to light any evidence it was Muslims.

Then try and discover these powers of looking into their hearts of our brothers and sister to find out if their 'real' Muslims or something else, whatever that is going through your mind.

Is it from the Qur'an and Sunnah to all jump to conclusions that believers did this before any trace of evidence states as such?

Is it from the Qur'an and Sunnah for Muslims to suspect and speculate other Muslims?

Please do something useful like that 'protest' of yours and padlock yourself to the bin and say "Oh no we will not go!", etc.

[Kal-El]

Whoever did it deserves whatever comes to them. I hate seeing comments like

"Dont forget, they are your Muslim brothers"

Do you seriously think they'd give a monkey's about you? What if a friend of yours was on a tube that got blown up or in that airport terminal, what if it were your relatives?

"Are you going to kill us all brother? Mashallah brother! "

[Abandoned-Mind]

Whoever did it deserves whatever comes to them. I hate seeing comments like

"Dont forget, they are your Muslim brothers"

Do you seriously think they'd give a monkey's about you? What if a friend of yours was on a tube that got blown up or in that airport terminal, what if it were your relatives?

"Are you going to kill us all brother? Mashallah brother! "

There is a difference in the way you deal with a muslim and a kaafir do you not agree?

Again, it is strange to think how people only care when the **** comes to their door step.

[Kal-El]

There is a difference in the way you deal with a muslim and a kaafir do you not agree?

Again, it is strange to think how people only care when the **** comes to their door step.

Generally speaking yes, but what is the relevance when someone is trying to kill you and other random people on the street?

How would you react?

[Tax-Man]

Here's a question, say I saw a suicide bomber in the underground attempting to detonate a bomb and I killed him, would it be self-defense or murder according to Islam?