are you for or against this image

[stellared]

very simple poll, are you for or against this image. do you support the nazi - islam relationship or are you against it? discuss.

[frentra]

ermmm... how about these?

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/Hitler-with-Muller.jpg
http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/hitler_cardinal4.jpg
http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/DC_Cross.jpg

[Umar`]

what has a atheistic, facist nationalist ideology have to do with Islam, and wheres the relationship?
i know the pope was backing the nazis against the jews, and they havent forgotten either.
the jews enjoyed protection and status in the Caliphate, as opposed to the massacres their european brothers were not enjoying so much.

[stellared]

ah, the off topic diversion. The discussion you have started is for a christian forum to discuss. I want to discuss the nazi-islam connection in a muslim forum. please stay on topic.

[TEH]

Are you sure you dont mean Nazi-Muslim...not Nazi-Islam...

[seven]

historically... religious figures have always met leaders to advise them to rule justly and correctly

to assume islam has a nazi connection based on that picture is just silly

[stellared]

Are you sure you dont mean Nazi-Muslim...not Nazi-Islam...

sorry thats what i mean.

[Al-Nasser]

i find nothing wrong about it

how we look at Nazism now is different from how the people looked at Nazism during WW2

for example in Egypt people were big fans of Hitler......and the Egyptian motto was "advance, Hitler" during the Nazi campaign in North Africa......the reason is that Egypt was occupied by the British who were really hated in Egypt and then you have a guy like Hitler who is the biggest enemy of my most hated enemy.......and the Nazis had strong propaganda.....they did even had dedicated radio station playing Egyptian songs...etc to gain much supporters in Egypt


did it mean that the Egyptians wanted to exterminate all the jews?....no...actually in 1943 the jews were living perfect life in Egypt.......but the Egyptian support for Nazis was based on "they are the enemy of my enemy"....all the Egyptian wanted is freedom from the british occupation......this is where the Nazi and Egyptian interests intersected

also the same was in Palestine....British occupation and a big plan to steal the WHOLE country and give it to the jews.....so when you have someone who is the enemy of the British and the jews in the same time you will snub him??...no way

[Um Abdullah]

Excuse me but, Isn't what the Jews doing now to Muslims is what Hitler did to them?
They attack Hitler for killing them then they start killing others

Isn't that hypocracy?

--------------------------

As for the picture I don't know anything about, so can't judge, because we don't know the details behind it,
that is why we shouldn't judge people by pictures, because we don't know the reasons behind it.

[Selamat]

Hitler was nuts, as while I don't support some of the actions of the Nazis, I do think that National Socialism was good for Germany. People are who think that WWII was about "fighting fascism" are living in illusions. WWII was about fighting two upstart nations (Germany and Japan) that had dared to challenge the status-quo of international capitalism and European colonialism. The biggest crime that the Japanese committed, the one for which they were nuked, was the crime of a non-white race (Japan) forcibly taking the colonial possessions of "white" nations like Britain and France. Japanese troops were welcomed all over Asia (except China) as liberators from European colonialism (that is until they started massacring people). Nazi troops, in the same vein, were welcomed all over North Afrika and Eastern Europe, especially the Baltic states and the Ukraine (the Ukraine having suffered 8-million deaths from starvation, exposure and execution under Stalinist rule in the 1930s, see: The Forgotton Holocaust (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1262)).

Anyways, that's my two-cents.

[bint]

mod if u cme on ths thread i voted wrong one
meanta be for ah well:torture:

[DarkSoul]

mod if u cme on ths thread i voted wrong one
meanta be for ah well:torture:

U bimbo :p

[*Muhammad*]

very simple poll, are you for or against this image. do you support the nazi - islam relationship or are you against it? discuss.

what is the story behind this image first of all?

[*Muhammad*]

ermmm... how about these?

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/Hitler-with-Muller.jpg
http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/hitler_cardinal4.jpg
http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/DC_Cross.jpg

never seen them before very weird! what's the story behind these images, I heard that adolf was Christian

[Ottoman]

I heard that adolf (Hitler) was Christian
On the contrary, I heard that he was a jew. There is a rumour even in Germany.

[Tahiyah]

regardless of the situation between muslims and jews i dont think any normal human being could ever agree with what nazi's or hitler did to a race of people

and whats with all this nazi islam stuff? you guys for real? i ve never heard of this, only on this forum

[bint]

U bimbo :p

who u callin bimbo?
ureself?:rolleyes:

[-Yassar]

bimbo?!

bim·bo ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bmb)
n. pl. bim·bos
Slang. A woman regarded as vacuous or as having an exaggerated interest in her sexual appeal.
Slang. A vacuous person: “a male bimbo... who even has to be tutored... in the clichés that comprise the basic interview” (George F. Will).

That's not a nice thing to say.
:torture:

[belal1]

bimbo?!

bim·bo ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bmb)
n. pl. bim·bos
Slang. A woman regarded as vacuous or as having an exaggerated interest in her sexual appeal.
Slang. A vacuous person: “a male bimbo... who even has to be tutored... in the clichés that comprise the basic interview” (George F. Will).

That's not a nice thing to say.
:torture:

exactly what i was gonna say. what a nasty thing to say.

[bint]

u tell him hw it is :D

[cyber_abdullah]

i find nothing wrong about it

how we look at Nazism now is different from how the people looked at Nazism during WW2

for example in Egypt people were big fans of Hitler......and the Egyptian motto was "advance, Hitler" during the Nazi campaign in North Africa......the reason is that Egypt was occupied by the British who were really hated in Egypt and then you have a guy like Hitler who is the biggest enemy of my most hated enemy.......and the Nazis had strong propaganda.....they did even had dedicated radio station playing Egyptian songs...etc to gain much supporters in Egypt


did it mean that the Egyptians wanted to exterminate all the jews?....no...actually in 1943 the jews were living perfect life in Egypt.......but the Egyptian support for Nazis was based on "they are the enemy of my enemy"....all the Egyptian wanted is freedom from the british occupation......this is where the Nazi and Egyptian interests intersected

also the same was in Palestine....British occupation and a big plan to steal the WHOLE country and give it to the jews.....so when you have someone who is the enemy of the British and the jews in the same time you will snub him??...no way


Excellent post and quite nicely summarises the predicament facing the Arabs at that time.

[syed_adeel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWk0HBTMxtc

<Interesting video but remember also propaganda, see the **** zionist trained by british to kill muslims and create terror state>

Back to topic i approve to the picture to an extent , but at end of the day muslims were used. My great uncle fought under Arab league under Nazis, he was sent to bosnia/eastern europe. I have the ring issued to all muslims under nazis as proof. Its a crecent =D

salamualikum

[Ottoman]

stellar, we still didn't get a clear and informative answer from you to the question "never seen them before very weird! what's the story behind these images" ...

[Cashew]

Hitler was nuts, as while I don't support some of the actions of the Nazis, I do think that National Socialism was good for Germany. People are who think that WWII was about "fighting fascism" are living in illusions. WWII was about fighting two upstart nations (Germany and Japan) that had dared to challenge the status-quo of international capitalism and European colonialism. The biggest crime that the Japanese committed, the one for which they were nuked, was the crime of a non-white race (Japan) forcibly taking the colonial possessions of "white" nations like Britain and France. Japanese troops were welcomed all over Asia (except China) as liberators from European colonialism (that is until they started massacring people). Nazi troops, in the same vein, were welcomed all over North Afrika and Eastern Europe, especially the Baltic states and the Ukraine (the Ukraine having suffered 8-million deaths from starvation, exposure and execution under Stalinist rule in the 1930s, see: The Forgotton Holocaust (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1262)).

Anyways, that's my two-cents.



Selemat, your two cents aren't worth much.

For example, the Nazis openly and directly regarded the Roman Catholic Poles as "sub-humans" who were occupying "Aryan" lands.

That website you're so fond of, www.thetruthseeker.co.uk, is filled with loony information: "Pope Paul VI was impersonated by an actor during the years 1975 to 1978!!"

Your take on Japan's involvement in Asia is equally bizarre. You really might want to talk, for example, to some Koreans and Taiwanese. Also, your wild understatement, "until they started massacring people," covers millions of sins.

You're not really a Muslim, are you?

[Tahiyah]

Hitler was nuts, as while I don't support some of the actions of the Nazis, I do think that National Socialism was good for Germany. People are who think that WWII was about "fighting fascism" are living in illusions. WWII was about fighting two upstart nations (Germany and Japan) that had dared to challenge the status-quo of international capitalism and European colonialism. The biggest crime that the Japanese committed, the one for which they were nuked, was the crime of a non-white race (Japan) forcibly taking the colonial possessions of "white" nations like Britain and France. Japanese troops were welcomed all over Asia (except China) as liberators from European colonialism (that is until they started massacring people). Nazi troops, in the same vein, were welcomed all over North Afrika and Eastern Europe, especially the Baltic states and the Ukraine (the Ukraine having suffered 8-million deaths from starvation, exposure and execution under Stalinist rule in the 1930s, see: The Forgotton Holocaust (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1262)).

Anyways, that's my two-cents.

i just read that "forgotten holocaust" ~ :rubeyes:

[Selamat]

Selemat, your two cents aren't worth much.

For example, the Nazis openly and directly regarded the Roman Catholic Poles as "sub-humans" who were occupying "Aryan" lands.

That website you're so fond of, www.thetruthseeker.co.uk, is filled with loony information: "Pope Paul VI was impersonated by an actor during the years 1975 to 1978!!"

Your take on Japan's involvement in Asia is equally bizarre. You really might want to talk, for example, to some Koreans and Taiwanese. Also, your wild understatement, "until they started massacring people," covers millions of sins.

You're not really a Muslim, are you?

I didn't say that the Poles welcomed the Nazis, I said that Balts and the Ukrainians did. Also, thetruthseeker.co.uk is not a website that I'm so "fond of" as you put it (where you got this info is beyond me, this is the first time I've posted anything from the site), I only used the link because it contained the Eric Margolis article on the Ukrainian Holocaust (and in case you don't know Eric Margolis is a respected author who has appeared in many newspapers and on news-stations like CNN and CBC, not some loony conspiracy theorist).

Japan didn't colonize Korea in WWII, Japan colonized Korea in 1910, 20-some years before the rise of Bushido Fascism in Japan, thus I deliberately excluded Korea from the post. Taiwan was colonized even earlier in 1895. I was only talking about nations that Fascist Japan colonized.

And no, I'm not a Muslim, I'm Jewish.

[mouse]

what has a atheistic, facist nationalist ideology have to do with Islam, and wheres the relationship?

.the relation ship is the active suport the grand mufti of palestine gave to hitler and the natzis...and the SS units of muslims that fought with the nazis

[mouse]

historically... religious figures have always met leaders to advise them to rule justly and correctly

to assume islam has a nazi connection based on that picture is just sillyit isnt an assumption it is a fact....hanzar division of muslims in the german ss

a fact of history which tends to be ignored

[mouse]

stellar, we still didn't get a clear and informative answer from you to the question "never seen them before very weird! what's the story behind these images" ...
the story is...that with the full suport of the grand mufti of jeruselem....muslims formed units of SS soldiers in the german army...and did all the things the SS did...the SS were the worst units of the german army cruel and very vicious...that is the story...they were nazis,muslim nazis fighting with the germans..

[seven]

it isnt an assumption it is a fact....hanzar division of muslims in the german ss

a fact of history which tends to be ignored
another fact which tends to be ignored...

the jewish commanders/generals in the german ss

[seven]

Hitler's Jewish Soldiers (http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righitpix.html)

[pinky]

Hitler's Jewish Soldiers (http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righitpix.html)

Misled by a misnomer. There is no such thing as a "half Jew". :D:D

[seven]

jew/half-jew - black/half-black... racists are indiscriminate about their discrimination!

[mouse]

jew/half-jew - black/half-black... racists are indiscriminate about their discrimination!...no such thing as pinky said as a half jew...one either is or is not... no one can be half a religionist...but one can be bi-racial:D
no such thing as a brit either......but you can be a british citizen...work it out

[mouse]

another fact which tends to be ignored...

the jewish commanders/generals in the german ssby the way....a jewish comander wouldnt have lasted five mins

[seven]

you can be 'half-jew' by race.... just like how you can be 'half-black'

and aint you ever heard of dual citizenships?

"Only a Sith Deals in Absolutes" - Obi-Wan

[seven]

by the way....a jewish comander wouldnt have lasted five mins
apparently, they did.

[Leena_Cnd]

by the way....a jewish comander wouldnt have lasted five mins
How long did Hitler's jewish girlfriend last ? Longer than 5 mins ?
or ? his biological father Frankenberger ? (the son of a wealthy jewish family).
BTW
I can safely say, nazism wouldn't have been born,
if it wasn't for Bolshevism ( with it's Jewish leaders, as Stalin).
The artical posted earlier was posted in the Toronto daily paper as well.
Do a search yourself.
http://www.ukrweekly.com/Archive/2003/470321.shtml

http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2003/11/the_20th_centur.php


As for the poll I didn't vote, 'images' do not hold deep values.

.

[pinky]

jew/half-jew - black/half-black... racists are indiscriminate about their discrimination!

Jewish is religion, not race, dear. Learn the facts before posting such glurge.

[pinky]

you can be 'half-jew' by race.... just like how you can be 'half-black'

and aint you ever heard of dual citizenships?

"Only a Sith Deals in Absolutes" - Obi-Wan

<sigh> More misinformation. Dual citizenship speaks to nationalities, not race, not religion, not culture, not ethnic background and not how many toes a camel has. Good grief! What sort of non-education are you kids getting these days? :rolleyes:

[Rizwan]

Put it this way... if Hitler had won the war...and today Germany was World Power...guess what??

WE (Muslims) would be fighting against them (Germans) until they accepted Islam.

So quite frankly it doesnt matter if its Bush, Stalin, Hitler...they can all go to hell. Happy now? (So much for the Islam-nazi connection :rolleyes:)

[Leena_Cnd]

Jewish is religion, not race
Maybe it's that, you feel if you say it enough times it'll be true :rolleyes:
ONLY IN PINKY'S MIND .:D
.
.

[pinky]

Put it this way... if Hitler had won the war...and today Germany was World Power...guess what??

WE (Muslims) would be fighting against them (Germans) until they accepted Islam.

So quite frankly it doesnt matter if its Bush, Stalin, Hitler...they can all go to hell. Happy now? (So much for the Islam-nazi connection :rolleyes:)

Fortunately the world does not exist because of "if onlys". :)

[seven]

<sigh> More misinformation. Dual citizenship speaks to nationalities, not race, not religion, not culture, not ethnic background and not how many toes a camel has. Good grief! What sort of non-education are you kids getting these days? :rolleyes:i know the difference between nationality and race... i was pointing out the obvious flaw in mouse's comment (which she has now changed) regarding citizenships.

apparently the education us "kids" are receiving seems to be better than yours :rolleyes:

[pinky]

Maybe it's that, you feel if you say it enough times it'll be true :rolleyes:
ONLY IN PINKY'S MIND .:D

Facts are facts and indisputable. That you can't accept the truth is your problem, lee. :rolleyes:

[pinky]

i know the difference between nationality and race... i was pointing out the obvious flaw in mouse's comment (which she has now changed) regarding citizenships.

apparently the education us "kids" are receiving seems to be better than yours :rolleyes:

Are you saying you want to compare degrees? :)

[Qaasim]

photoshopped

:coolbro:

[Nusayba bint Ka'b]

And no, I'm not a Muslim, I'm Jewish.

really? I always thought u were a Muslim!

[`asiya]

well heres a few from the christian archives, a fan asks for an autograph...the christian crosses fly on the flags,the christian crosses sit on the nazi graves, the nazi soldier attend mass regularly, and hitler asks them to pray for his dead mother complete with huge cross on the grave, nazi soldiers, and luftwaffen graves all complete with their little christian crosses....

because they believe all christians are forgiven, no matter what they did, no matter what the sins, cos someone died on a cross apparently which means lil hitler and all his lil christian ss luft waffen and all his lil christian nazi footsoldiers including the now pope ( known to his freinds in the vatican as gods rotwieller i wonder why :rolleyes: ) yes the same pope who was in the hitler youth and who went on to personally work for the luft waffe who bombed and killed day and night, now some sleep in their christain graves, others work in the church,hiding peodophiles with their christian crosses held high ....and he wants to talk about a few muslims? :rolleyes:

[*Muhammad*]

Hitler Was a Christian
The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism

History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.

Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven’t encountered any), I have been forced to dispel the myth by writing this essay. It is not until I bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and their tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi regime. This is important information to take into consideration for I am privy to some info that most Americans do not know. It is common for American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens concerning Nazi Germany.) So, in presenting this information I must break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3) Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity.



Hitler’s involvement with the Church:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party

g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism



How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:

Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.

Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity.



How the Nazi Regime converted the people:

a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”

b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.

d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.

e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.

f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.

g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.

h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.



Quotes from Hitler:

Hitler’s speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith So they try to pin him on other theistic views. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:

“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]

Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)

"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)

“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:

"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)

[UnoDosTres]

Hitler Was a Christian
The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism

History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.

Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven’t encountered any), I have been forced to dispel the myth by writing this essay. It is not until I bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and their tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi regime. This is important information to take into consideration for I am privy to some info that most Americans do not know. It is common for American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens concerning Nazi Germany.) So, in presenting this information I must break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3) Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity.



Hitler’s involvement with the Church:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party

g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism



How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:

Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.

Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity.



How the Nazi Regime converted the people:

a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”

b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.

d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.

e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.

f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.

g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.

h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.



Quotes from Hitler:

Hitler’s speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith So they try to pin him on other theistic views. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:

“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]

“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]

Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)

"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)

"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

"…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)

“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:

"Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide." (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)


Even if he was a Christian, that doesn't change the fact that Christians and Muslims fought against him while other Muslims appeared to support him.

Knowing what you know of history, do you think it was right of the Grand Mufti and other Muslims to align themselves with Hitler?

[Kal-El]

very simple poll, are you for or against this image. do you support the nazi - islam relationship or are you against it? discuss.

I'm sorry I don't understand the significance of that picture in relation to our faith :confused: It shows a Christian mass killer shaking hands with a Muslim as a greeting..

What has that got to do with Islam?

[tux08902]

There is no relationship between Islam and Nazism. More importantly, these pictures have been fabricated over and over again to spread hate and propaganda. So, I'm not buying this picture or any other one like it. You remember that Jew who used to come on here and post the Turkish army in WWII praying. He used to say it was the Nazis praying. If you looked closely at the band that the soldiers had, it wasn't a swastika, but the guy was troll.

[mouse]

There is no relationship between Islam and Nazism. More importantly, these pictures have been fabricated over and over again to spread hate and propaganda. So, I'm not buying this picture or any other one like it. You remember that Jew who used to come on here and post the Turkish army in WWII praying. He used to say it was the Nazis praying. If you looked closely at the band that the soldiers had, it wasn't a swastika, but the guy was troll.those with eyes who cannot see and those with ears who cannot hear.....so your not buying into the picture...dont you know there are reams of pictures...dont you know there are reams of documentation....what is wrong with facing the truth....

[Kal-El]

those with eyes who cannot see and those with ears who cannot hear.....so your not buying into the picture...dont you know there are reams of pictures...dont you know there are reams of documentation....what is wrong with facing the truth....

What truth? :confused:

[hkrespect]

the joos needed stopping, hitler the clown failed, damn u hitler!!!!!! damn u!!!!!

[mouse]

the joos needed stopping, hitler the clown failed, damn u hitler!!!!!! damn u!!!!!

HANDSCHAR (SWORD), 13th WAFFEN SS DIVISION

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Index/H/handschar_sword.gif
According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (Edition 1990, Volume 2, Pages 706 and 707), Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini (http://answering-islam.org.uk/Index/H/husseini.html), the Mufti of Jerusalem, made a major contribution to the Nazi war effort by organizing "in record time" Muslim SS units in Croatia. These units were involved in some of the worst atrocities of World War II.
An estimated 20,000 Muslims fought in the Hanjar (Sword) SS Division. Most of their activities were directed against the Yugoslav partisans, led by Josip Broz Tito, and the local Jewish and Romany populations. They also conducted police and security activities in Fascist Hungary. The Nazis recruited two SS divisions from Yugoslavia's Muslim population: the Bosnian 13th Waffen Hanjar (or Handschar) SS division, and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen SS division.
According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust:
They participated in the massacre of civilians in Bosnia and volunteered to join in the hunt for Jews in Croatia ... The Germans made a point of publicizing the fact that Husseini had flown from Berlin to Sarajevo for the sole purpose of giving his blessing to the Muslim army and inspecting its arms and training exercises.
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Index/H/handschar_mufti.jpg The Mufti of Jerusalem salutes the Bosnian Handschar

[mouse]

Former Mufti of Jerusalem
Yasser Arafat performed terrorist operations at his request
"Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion."
Appointed Mufti of Jerusalem by the British High Commissioner in May 1921, Hajj Amin el-Husseini was the founder of the Palestinian Arab movement. He relied upon virulent anti-Jewish incitement to garner popular support. Throughout his public career, the Mufti used traditional Koranic anti-Jewish motifs to arouse the Arab street. For example, during the incitement which led to the 1929 Arab revolt in Palestine, he called for combating and slaughtering "the Jews", not merely Zionists. In fact, most of the Jewish victims of the 1929 Arab revolt were Jews from the centuries old dhimmi communities (e.g., in Hebron), as opposed to recent settlers identified with the Zionist movement. With the ascent of Nazi Germany in the 1930s, the Mufti and his coterie intensified their anti-Semitic activities to secure support from Hitler's Germany, Bosnian Muslims, and the overall Arab Muslim world, for a jihad to annihilate the Jews of Palestine. Following his expulsion from Palestine by the British, the Mufti organized a brutal anti-Jewish pogrom in Baghdad (1941), concurrent with his failed effort to install a pro-Nazi Iraqi government. Escaping to Europe after this unsuccessful coup attempt, the Mufti spent the remainder of World War II in Germany and Italy. From this sanctuary, he provided active support for the Germans by recruiting Bosnian Muslims, in addition to Muslim minorities from the Caucasus, for dedicated Nazi SS units. The Mufti's objectives for these recruits, and Muslims in general, were made explicit during his multiple wartime radio broadcasts from Berlin, heard throughout the Arab world: an international campaign of genocide against the Jews. For example, during his March 1, 1944 broadcast he stated: "Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion."
Hajj Amin made an especially important contribution to the German war effort in Yugoslovia where the Bosnian Muslim SS units he recruited (in particular the Handzar Division) brutally suppressed local Nazi resistance movements. The Mufti's pamphlet entitled, "Islam and the Jews", was published by the Nazis in Croatian and German for distribution during the war to these Bosnian Muslim SS units. This hateful propaganda served to incite the slaughter of Jews, and (Serb) Christians as well. Indeed, the Bosnian Muslim Handzar SS Division was responsible for the destruction of whole Bosnian Jewish and Serbian communities, including the massacre of Jews and Serbs, and the deportation of survivors to Auschwitz for extermination. However, these heinous crimes, for which the Mufti bears direct responsibility, had only a limited impact on the overall destruction of European Jewry when compared with his nefarious wartime campaign to prevent Jewish emigration from Europe to Palestine. Invoking the personal support of such prominent Nazis as Himmler and Eichmann, the Mufti's relentless hectoring of German, Rumanian, and Hungarian government officials caused the cancellation of an estimated 480,000 exit visas which had been granted to Jews (80,000 from Rumania, and 400,000 from Hungary). As a result, these hapless individuals were deported to Polish concentration camps. A United Nations Assembly document presented in 1947 which contained the Mufti's June 28, 1943 letter to the Hungarian Foreign Minister requesting the deportation of Hungarian Jews to Poland, includes this stark, telling annotation: "As a Sequel to This Request 400,000 Jews Were Subsequently Killed". The Mufti escaped to the Middle East after the war to avoid capture and possible prosecution for war crimes.
The Mufti was unrelenting in his espousal of a virulent Judeophobic hatred as the focal tenet of his ideology in the aftermath of World War II, and the creation of the State of Israel. The esteemed journalist and writer David Pryce-Jones elucidated the pre-eminent status of anti-Semitism in the Mufti's bitter legacy:
"These, then, were the images and preconceptions to which Hajj Amin could appeal once he became the leading Palestinian power holder. In memoirs written at the end of his life, when the bankruptcy of these images and preconceptions was starkly visible, he was still speaking of the Jews as '..notorious for perfidy and falsification and distortion and cruelty of which the noble Koran provides the strongest testimony against them..'. His hatred for Jews was instinctive, tribal; he wished to cut them down, declaring to their face, '..Nothing but the sword will decide the future of this country..'. That this came true amid calamity and ruin was Hajj Amin's memorial to posterity".
Pryce-Jones insights underscore the profound impact of the Mufti's personal convictions and hateful messages on the development of Arab and Palestinian political culture in the latter half of the 20th century, to the present. It is undeniable that the Mufti's virulent anti-Semitism continues to influence Arab policy toward Israel. Not surprisingly, Yasser Arafat (http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=650), beginning at the age of 16, worked for the Mufti performing terrorist operations. Arafat still considers the Mufti his primary spiritual and political mentor.

[hkrespect]

Damn U Hitler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! Damnu U!!!!!

[Ibn Sina]

Wheres the 'don't care because it has nothing to do with Islam' option?

[pinky]

the joos needed stopping, hitler the clown failed, damn u hitler!!!!!! damn u!!!!!

Your language is reprehensible and, to say the least, not conducive to discussion. Posts like yours should be removed.

How dare you call for the deaths of any person much less an entire ethnic group!

[(*_Hamzah]

Your language is reprehensible and, to say the least, not conducive to discussion. Posts like yours should be removed.

How dare you call for the deaths of any person much less an entire ethnic group!


And Zionism call's for and has perperated muder on same par as any Nazi war criminal would be proud off- stop it with your moral high groud, because you have none

[hkrespect]

Your language is reprehensible and, to say the least, not conducive to discussion. Posts like yours should be removed.

How dare you call for the deaths of any person much less an entire ethnic group!

glad u have ur priorities set

[tangents]

I'm strongly against the image/relationship

[(*_Hamzah]

I'm strongly against the image/relationship

Relationship, that reminds of George Bush grandfather nazi links, all you have to do is ask and I will be obliged

[Te'oma]

very simple poll, are you for or against this image. do you support the nazi - islam relationship or are you against it? discuss.


Alright!!! :up: the akhi is doing dawa with a sinner...any word if he was successful and the guy reverted and turned from his evil ways?

[pinky]

And Zionism call's for and has perperated muder on same par as any Nazi war criminal would be proud off- stop it with your moral high groud, because you have none

You talk out a hole and it isn't your mouth. IOW, you know not of what you speak and all that dribbles out is hate mongering and propoganda. Sad, sad, sad. We shall gather at the river and pray for you, bruva.

[Songbird]

Oh my, that wasn't very lady-like.

Does your husband know you speak like this to men? :D

[pinky]

Oh my, that wasn't very lady-like.

Does your husband know you speak like this to men? :D

What's unlady like about a nostril, honey?

Oh, I get it. You're all hung up in that anal retentive business of yours. Sorry, for a minute there I thought you were normal. :D :rolleyes::rolleyes: Ciao.

[Leena_Cnd]

:zzz:.pinky comes to this forum only for,
brushing-up, . . . on her 'english language' skills. .. . .:wacko::S
.
.

[pinky]

:zzz:.pinky comes to this forum only for,
brushing-up, . . . on her 'english language' skills. .. . .:wacko::S


You could use some "brushing up" on English language skills yourself, lee. Why not do it instead of talk about it though? ;)

[(*_Hamzah]

You talk out a hole and it isn't your mouth. IOW, you know not of what you speak and all that dribbles out is hate mongering and propoganda. Sad, sad, sad. We shall gather at the river and pray for you, bruva.

Gather at the River Nile? That isnt Israelite territory, your diabolical plans unfold, :(

I didn know you are married, are you the jew on your husband stolen crown?

He deserves an award to put up with you :)

[sunrise]

ohh touchy touchy

I think sleep deprivation is making everyone act all moody :D

[Songbird]

What's unlady like about a nostril, honey?

Oh nothing Pinky.

You're still our favourite Bourbon-drinking, cigarette smoking Barbara Streisand look-alike we've come to really *cough* "admire" :D

I hope you use mouth-wash before you go to bed ;)

P.S Sorry for the mental image folks...it pains me too.

[Songbird]

Are you saying you want to compare degrees? :)
Erm Pinky, just a note of caution.

That feigned hubris of yours wont get you far. Seven is far more educated and knowledgeable than thee.

I think though you secretly want to be banned again?

If you do wish to spend more quality time [lol] with Mr Pinky, we can oblige :D

[pinky]

Erm Pinky, just a note of caution.

That feigned hubris of yours wont get you far. Seven is far more educated and knowledgeable than thee.

I think though you secretly want to be banned again?

If you do wish to spend more quality time [lol] with Mr Pinky, we can oblige :D

My, my such a weak little brain that hangs on my every word and can't discern when I use qualifers like "probably", "maybe", "would rather" (in terms of burbon drinking and smoking unfiltered ciggies :rolleyes:). Just goes to show how you fail to comprehend and how much you love to trash the ones you stalk. Nothing but a stalker, that's you songbid.

Ahhh, so, now you know my educational and work background as opposed to someone not even concerned in your diatribes, huh? You really do work hard to pull off the diabolical-threatening-veiled woman approach, songbird. Man, the energy that eats up. :rolleyes:

Mr. Pinky is just fine, thank you. No need for you to be concerned. He's haram to you so you shouldn't even be thinking of him. That rates two of these ---> :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Songbird]

I really do get under your skin, don't I :D

[pinky]

Gather at the River Nile? That isnt Israelite territory, your diabolical plans unfold, :(

I didn know you are married, are you the jew on your husband stolen crown?

He deserves an award to put up with you :)

No, the Illinois River, sweetie. White water river rafting. Ever been?

What is this jibberish: "jew on your husband stolen crown"?

[pinky]

I really do get under your skin, don't I :D

:D You like to think you do. The truth is, you obviously have a very big hole in your psyche that stalking another person fills for you. There is help for that sort of thing. :rolleyes:

[Songbird]

Lol, speaking of stalking...

Pot, kettle...black

Pinky is there any reason why you keep delaying going to bed? :D

[pinky]

Lol, speaking of stalking...

Pot, kettle...black

Pinky is there any reason why you keep delaying going to bed? :D

Ummm, since you have now opted become the keeper of my schedule, when did I say I was going to bed?

[Leena_Cnd]

Lol, speaking of stalking
Lol funny thing is, she also labled me as stocking her.:rubeyes:
MG we do have better thing to do.
Guess she's looking for a change from the 'anti-semite' :rolleyes: reflex syndrome.

ANYways . . .
Why would the image that was posted,
be more important than this more current photo of runsfeld ? :
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/157/handshakerumsfeldtz8.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/157/handshakerumsfeldtz8.jpg) :rubeyes:

or
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/8531/handshake835614269lg6.jpg
sheik

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5723/handshakewg6.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5723/handshakewg6.jpg)
Prescott Bush

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7130/handshake170811037cs7.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7130/handshake170811037cs7.jpg)
canine

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8845/handshakecheneyandbushfz1.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8845/handshakecheneyandbushfz1.jpg)
cowboys . . . now THAT is unethical
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. Parents should save for their childrens' future education,
or chances are they'll get stuck in Iraq.

[Te'oma]

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8845/handshakecheneyandbushfz1.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8845/handshakecheneyandbushfz1.jpg)
cowboys . . . now THAT is unethical
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Does anyone else here see a sequel to brokeback mountain here? :p

Guess with ole boss Hog and Roscoe here, that would make the Taliban the Duke boys?

[AliKhan]

Lol, speaking of stalking...

Pot, kettle...black

Pinky is there any reason why you keep delaying going to bed? :D

Seriously, what is it with middle aged non muslim women stalking this forum?

[Oceanic]

very simple poll, are you for or against this image. do you support the nazi - islam relationship or are you against it? discuss.

Shaking hands in WHAT context/circumstances ?

Many US politicians have shook hands with Sadam.

bush is killing muslims daily but many muslims have shook his hand.


The vote o/o ages are divided.


In someone's bereavement, for example, I'll shake hands with anyone . Prophet Muhamad pbuh stood up from a sitting position ,in respect, for a jew funeral passing by although jews were a pain !

Arrogance is not part of Islam.

What exactly were you trying to establish?

[Enigma Dreamer]

There can never be a relationship between nazis and Islam. Islam is love, peace, help and not as inhuman and barbaric as the nazis.

[(*_Hamzah]

No, the Illinois River, sweetie. White water river rafting. Ever been?

What is this jibberish: "jew on your husband stolen crown"?

I hope when you say satanic rituals the river comes alive and swallows you up :)

Pinky go back to your temporary zombie state and fulfill Mr.Pinky :up: dream and bear him a child – hopefully that will be the end of you and you're daily rots, us Muslims have to read from you.

[mouse]

What truth? :confused:...this one....20.000 truths

Muslim SS units in Croatia. These units were involved in some of the worst atrocities of World War II.
An estimated 20,000 Muslims fought in the Hanjar (Sword) SS Division. Most of their activities were directed against the Yugoslav partisans, led by Josip Broz Tito, and the local Jewish and Romany populations. They also conducted police and security activities in Fascist Hungary. The Nazis recruited two SS divisions from Yugoslavia's Muslim population: the Bosnian 13th Waffen Hanjar (or Handschar) SS division, and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen SS division. ...............................................

one of the reasons for the later war between the serbs and muslims ...the hate for what happened in ww2

[Enigma Dreamer]

...this one....20.000 truths

Muslim SS units in Croatia. These units were involved in some of the worst atrocities of World War II.
An estimated 20,000 Muslims fought in the Hanjar (Sword) SS Division. Most of their activities were directed against the Yugoslav partisans, led by Josip Broz Tito, and the local Jewish and Romany populations. They also conducted police and security activities in Fascist Hungary. The Nazis recruited two SS divisions from Yugoslavia's Muslim population: the Bosnian 13th Waffen Hanjar (or Handschar) SS division, and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen SS division. ...............................................

one of the reasons for the later war between the serbs and muslims ...the hate for what happened in ww2
If the jews and those Chrsitians were the Israel and U.S. of today, it is fair

[mouse]

If the jews and those Chrsitians were the Israel and U.S. of today, it is fair..can you explain ..dont quite get what jews and christians have to do with it..seriously

[messman returns]

yuck!!

[`asiya]

the whole freaking nazi army was christian, all their soldiers are buried with crosses on their graves, they prayed in church and mixed with cardinals and bishops and priests, and hitlers reason for mass extermination was because the bible says jews are the children of satan and the bible still says that today and no christian can deny that its all there just open up your book..so whats the point of this thread exactly....a little buck passing perhaps........

[Enigma Dreamer]

the whole freaking nazi army was christian, all their soldiers are buried with crosses on their graves, they prayed in church and mixed with cardinals and bishops and priests, and hitlers reason for mass extermination was because the bible says jews are the children of satan and the bible still says that today and no christian can deny that its all there just open up your book..so whats the point of this thread exactly....a little buck passing perhaps........
MashaAllah! That is great.

[Mikha’eel]

the whole freaking nazi army was christian, all their soldiers are buried with crosses on their graves, they prayed in church and mixed with cardinals and bishops and priests, and hitlers reason for mass extermination was because the bible says jews are the children of satan and the bible still says that today and no christian can deny that its all there just open up your book..so whats the point of this thread exactly....a little buck passing perhaps........

Uh, no they weren't. The Nazi's had many links to Occult Practices. Many didn't even believe in religion. There were many soldiers in the Army that just didn't want to be there. They didn't want to kill Jews but how could they refuse? If they didn't, someone else would and they'd be shot.

And just where did you read this about the Bible saying ''They are the children of satan''? I recall a Racist White supremcist Christian group in the USA that say that, they also believe they are the real Israelites. :rolleyes:

[Leena_Cnd]

Muslim SS units in Croatia.
It was THE CATHOLICS that actually pursued nazi policies :torture:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustashe#Victims

BTW
The Bosnian Waffen SS units were assigned to combat Muslim and Serb Partisans.
In addition,
the Bosnian Muslim clerics issued
three declarations publicly denouncing :)
Croat-Nazi collaborationist measures against Jews and Serbs: that of Sarajevo in
October 1941, of Mostar in 1941, and of Banja Luka
on November 12, 1941

Intresting that Albania itself,
was the only country to come out of the second world war
with a larger Jewish population than it had at the beginning of the war.:rubeyes:
This fact has been noted
by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum and by Yad Vashem in Israel,
where Albanian Muslims have been honored
as “righteous Gentiles"

By the New Year of 1943, over 100,000 Muslims had been killed .
" The Muslims bear the special status of being persecuted by all others"
QUOTE >Himmler`s Bosnian Division.
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.Parents should save for their childrens' future education,
or chances are they'll get stuck in Iraq.

[Enigma Dreamer]

..can you explain ..dont quite get what jews and christians have to do with it..seriously
Who are the Nazis?

[`asiya]

Uh, no they weren't. The Nazi's had many links to Occult Practices. Many didn't even believe in religion. There were many soldiers in the Army that just didn't want to be there. They didn't want to kill Jews but how could they refuse? If they didn't, someone else would and they'd be shot.

And just where did you read this about the Bible saying ''They are the children of satan''? I recall a Racist White supremcist Christian group in the USA that say that, they also believe they are the real Israelites. :rolleyes:

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1364044&postcount=49 well heres some snapshots of reality and i have family who actually lived through 5 years of nazi occupation so get your facts right what u have said is a load of tosh the nazis on the whole were basically ordinary christian boys who belived in arian supremacy, the "higher race" being supreme over "the savages" of the world, just like the british national party today in the uk

and read the new testament and psalms ( printed in 2000) john chapter 8:39-47 (this particular bible is a standard bible called "the new international version" and is handed out to school children)

"abraham is our father they answered If you were abrahams children said jesus then you would do the things Abraham did, As it is you are determined to kill me,a man who has told you the truth that i heard from God.Abraham did not do such things,you are doing the things your own father does"

(john 8:44) entitled "the children of the devil"

"Jesus said to them, if God were your master you would love me,for i was sent by god and now i am here. I have not come on my own but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? because you are unable to hear what i say, you belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out your fathers desire.

He was a murderer from the beggining, not holding to the truth,for there is no truth in him,when he lies he speaks his native tounge for he is the father of lies yet because i tell you the truth u do not beleive me, can any of you proove me guilty of sin? if i am telling the truth why dont you beleive me? he who belongs to God hears what God says,The reason you jews do not hear me, is that you do not belong to God."

so there u go christians should try actually reading their bibles, and stop lying and pretending that they love everyone, because thats hypocrisy and lying is a massive sin

[Kal-El]

...this one....20.000 truths

Muslim SS units in Croatia. These units were involved in some of the worst atrocities of World War II.
An estimated 20,000 Muslims fought in the Hanjar (Sword) SS Division. Most of their activities were directed against the Yugoslav partisans, led by Josip Broz Tito, and the local Jewish and Romany populations. They also conducted police and security activities in Fascist Hungary. The Nazis recruited two SS divisions from Yugoslavia's Muslim population: the Bosnian 13th Waffen Hanjar (or Handschar) SS division, and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen SS division. ...............................................

one of the reasons for the later war between the serbs and muslims ...the hate for what happened in ww2

Did they sign up? Under what circumstances were they recruited. I'd like to do some research.

If you want something hard to swallow; note that American and British soldiers during that war, some of them that were captured were recruited into Hitlers military - they had to fight against their own friends and comrades on the opposite side of the field.

They were threatened with death if they did not sign up; some chose death, some were too cowardly and refused to die for their country, so they chose instead to fight their own to save their lives.

The forgotten "truth".

[Mikha’eel]

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1364044&postcount=49 well heres some snapshots of reality and i have family who actually lived through 5 years of nazi occupation so get your facts right what u have said is a load of tosh the nazis on the whole were basically ordinary christian boys who belived in arian supremacy, the "higher race" being supreme over "the savages" of the world, just like the british national party today in the uk

and read the new testament and psalms ( printed in 2000) john chapter 8:39-47 (this particular bible is a standard bible called "the new international version" and is handed out to school children)

"abraham is our father they answered If you were abrahams children said jesus then you would do the things Abraham did, As it is you are determined to kill me,a man who has told you the truth that i heard from God.Abraham did not do such things,you are doing the things your own father does"

(john 8:44) entitled "the children of the devil"

"Jesus said to them, if God were your master you would love me,for i was sent by god and now i am here. I have not come on my own but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? because you are unable to hear what i say, you belong to your father the devil, and you want to carry out your fathers desire.

He was a murderer from the beggining, not holding to the truth,for there is no truth in him,when he lies he speaks his native tounge for he is the father of lies yet because i tell you the truth u do not beleive me, can any of you proove me guilty of sin? if i am telling the truth why dont you beleive me? he who belongs to God hears what God says,The reason you jews do not hear me, is that you do not belong to God."

so there u go christians should try actually reading their bibles, and stop lying and pretending that they love everyone, because thats hypocrisy and lying is a massive sin

I say not all were christians so i am one myself?
Secondly, not every single German or soldier believed in their supremecy. I've seen in many documentaries from soldiers that were in the Nazi Army. They said it themselves. And what i've said is not a load of ''Tosh'' as you claim. Its well documented and proven they had many links to the occult, whether your family lived through their occupation doesn't disprove what others have proven to be fact.

And lastly, if i'm not mistaken, John 8:44 and onwards is refering to the Pharisees for their hypocrisy and other actions....not all jew in general.

[Leena_Cnd]

very simple poll, are you for or against this image.

I'll ask stellared . . .
are you for or against this image ? :
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/157/handshakerumsfeldtz8.jpg
(rumsfeld)

Did they sign up? Under what circumstances were they recruited. I'd like to do some research
A jewish friend of mine ,
was under 'forced labour' work
in a german ss admin. office as a clerk. :rubeyes:
74 yrs. old now, anti-zionist (may she be blessed) . . .
the recollection of her personal stories is priceless.
( Stuff you generally could never read in
any westernized history books.)
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.Parents should save for their childrens' future education,
or chances are they'll get stuck in Iraq.

[*Muhammad*]

Even if he was a Christian, that doesn't change the fact that Christians and Muslims fought against him while other Muslims appeared to support him.

Knowing what you know of history, do you think it was right of the Grand Mufti and other Muslims to align themselves with Hitler?

i want to know the story or the real caption for that pic:)

[-Shamil-]

i want to know the story or the real caption for that pic:)

yeah me too

i wonder who this "mufti" really was

[*Muhammad*]

Shaking hands in WHAT context/circumstances ?

Many US politicians have shook hands with Sadam.

bush is killing muslims daily but many muslims have shook his hand.


The vote o/o ages are divided.

Prophet Muhamad pbuh stood up from a sitting position ,in respect, for a jew funeral passing by although jews were a pain !

Arrogance is not part of Islam.

What exactly were you trying to establish?

:up:

[mouse]

yeah me too

i wonder who this "mufti" really wasarrafats uncle

[Leena_Cnd]

arrafats uncle
Shows the true ambassadorship :D of the family.
Here's some more :
(they'll will find something to whine about in these :rolleyes: aswell ?)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6227/handshakenetanyahukn8.jpg
(with Netanyahu)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4379/handshakearafaton7.jpg
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Parents should save for their childrens' future education,
or chances are they'll get stuck in Iraq.(u.s military)

[Makki]

what is this facination you have with nazis about stellared? for someone who is so for peace and love (giggle) as you i find your fixation on mass murderers perplexing.

but seeing as yet again you're trying to push the sins of the nazis on to muslims i have to point out the obvious.

the nazis came from christian europe. their rule was validated by the pope. get over it.

[mouse]

but seeing as yet again you're trying to push the sins of the nazis on to muslims i have to point out the obvious.

the nazis came from christian europe. their rule was validated by the pope. get over it.the nazis came from europe..validated by the pope and the muslims joined them...as you rightly say...get over it, it happened...glad we are all agreed

[seven]

the nazis came from europe..validated by the pope and the muslims joined them...as you rightly say...get over it, it happened...glad we are all agreed
you forgot to add that the JEWS joined the nazis too

[mouse]

you forgot to add that the JEWS joined the nazis too which of the 6million dead were they then...names and rank please