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Abu Mughira
02-07-06, 03:13 PM
1). What is Wahdat al-Wujood
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Wahdat al-Wajood or Wahdat ul-Wujood is a concept based upon the idea that nothing exists other than Allah, and creation is merely the manifestation of Allah. This implies that the creation is Allah, and Allah does not exist outside the creation.

Hadhrat Imadadullah Mahajir Makki, the spiritual guide of the most prominent Deobandis, explains Wahdat al-Wajood in a booklet by the same name, with an example of a seed and a tree.
He states that the seed is Allah and the creation is the tree with its stem, roots, branches and leaves. Initially, only the seed was present, and the entire huge tree was hidden in the small seed. When the plant grew into a massive tree, the seed disappeared. The seed is now manifest in this huge tree and does not have an existence outside of it.

The Sufis consider the realization of Wahdat al-Wajood to be a matter of great wisdom. According to them, Tawheed (lit. making one) is a complete denial of existence for everything other than Allah, as explained by the Deobandis in ‘Irshaadul Mulook’ and ‘Ikhmaalush Shiyaam’,
“The root of Tawheed is the negation of the non-existent and transitory things and the confirmation of the everlasting thing.”[1]
“A concept which posits true existence for any being other than Allah is Shirk in Divine Attribute of Existence (Wajood).”[2]

The Sufis consider this type of Tawheed to be suitable only for the ‘Spiritually Elite’, and claim that only those who have reached the ‘stage’ due to excessive penance and Dhikr are able to comprehend Wahdat al-Wajood.



2). The Stages of Wahdat al-Wujood
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The Sufis in their circles exaggerated greatly upon the concept of fearing Allah, and subjected themselves to constant and excessive mental anxiety. They express their fear in ways that are far from the Sunnah like in the story mentioned in Fazaail-e-Aamaal of a man who never lifted his face towards the sky and when asked the reason, he said, “I am ashamed! How can I lift up this sinful face to such a Great Benefactor.”[3]

The effect of this anxiety was that they would enter a state of ecstasy or fall down unconscious or dead when hearing the Qur’aan, or music or even the singing of birds.

1. ‘One saint relates:
‘I saw Hazrat Shaikh Samnoon once swinging side from side in ecstasy while performing Tawaaf. I took his hand and asked him: “By the truth that you shall stand before Allah one day, I ask you, how did you reach Allah?” As soon as he heard the words, ‘stand before Allah’, he fell down unconscious…”[4]

2. Another incident mentioned in Irshaadul-Mulook states,
“Hazrat Hafiz (Dhaamin) Sahib was fond of doves. One day when he approached the cage to feed the birds, one of the doves sang such a rapturous rhapsody that Hazrat Hafiz Sahib fell unconscious into an ecstatic swoon”[5]

The effects of Qur’aan on those who listen with understanding have been mentioned in the Qur’aan. Listening to the Qur’aan causes the hearts to fear Allah, the faith to increase, the heart to soften and the eyes to shed tears.[6] But falling unconscious or dead, as a result of imposed anxiety is not the true fear that stems from the understanding of the Qur’aan and the Sunnah and such was never reported from the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) or his Companions.[7]

Another good example of misunderstanding the proper way to love and fear Allah, and subjecting oneself to extreme anxiety can be seen in the following incident mentioned in Fazaail-e-Aamaal.

It is said that Malik Ibn Deenar met a young man on his way to Hajj, walking on foot, with no provision or water. Malik Ibn Deenar offered him his shirt, but he refused saying: “…It is better to remain naked, than to acquire worldly shirts.” Later, when the Hajis (the pilgrims) put on the Ihram, read the Talbiyah, this young man kept silent and said, ‘I fear that on reciting ‘Labbaik’, a reply may be heard, “La Labbaik, La Sadaik” (Your cry is not heard and we do not return to you in Pleasure.) The young man justified his acts that were apparently opposed to the Sharee’ah by saying, “And blame me not for this love for Him, for if thou knowest the thing I see then surely will you never speak.” Later, when the pilgrims sacrificed the sheep, this young man asked Allah to accept his life as a sacrifice and then died shortly afterwards. This story also claims that a voice from the Unseen said: “This is Allah’s friend, and Allah’s martyr.” Later that night, Malik Ibn Deenar asked the young man in his dream, ‘What did Allah do to you?’ He said: ‘I have gained a reward like that of the martyrs of the battle of Badr – Nay, even more… They died at the swing of the swords of the infidels, while I died by the sword of Allah’s love.”[8]


3). Degrading oneself to the status of Dogs and Pigs
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After having exaggerated and innovated in the concept of Allah’s love and fear, the Sufis began to compare their existence and stature to that of Allah, and found themselves to be completely insignificant in front of Him. Exaggerating further in the concept of humility and modesty, they felt that they should degrade themselves in order to be truly free from Riya (showing off). Following are some examples of this…

1. Moulana Zakariyah says
that among the Akhlaq of the Sufiya is ‘to regard oneself as the most inferior…’ This has also been quoted as a saying of Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi by Moulana Zakariyah in Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.255.

2. Moulana Zakariyah says:
“Hazrat Shah Ishaq Muhajiree Makki advised to Imdadullah Muhajir Makki: “Regard yourself to be most inferior in the entire creation.”[9]

3.Story is mentioned,
“A man, who used to fast throughout the year and offer Salaat throughout the night for thirty years. He was one of the regular attendants of the circle of Abu Yazeed al-Bastami (one of three mystic ‘masters’). Nevertheless, he was unable to find the kind of knowledge, which Abu Yazeed possessed! So, Abu Yazeed taught him that even if he fasts for three hundred years and offers Salaat throughout the nights of such period he would not be able to find even an ant-weight of such knowledge! When asked about the ‘cure,’ Abu Yazeed told him that he should shave his head and beard, hang a nosebag filled with nuts around his neck, gather some kids in the market around him and tell them, ‘Everyone who slaps me once, I will give him a nut!’[10]

4. Shah Abu Saeed Naumani traveled to Balkh to his Shaikh in order to learn Sufism.
His Shaikh started his training by assigning him to look after the toilets. He was given little food but was not allowed to meet his Shaikh not was any Dhikr prescribed for him. After a considerable period passed, the Shaikh ordered a cleaner to dump a basket of dirt onto Abu Saeed. The cleaner did as he was told. This angered Abu Saeed and he threatened the cleaner, which meant that he was not ready to enter Sufism. After a period of time, the Shaikh again instructed the cleaner to do as before, but this time Abu Saeed got angry but did not say anything. Now too, Abu Saeed was not ready. After a period of time, the Shaikh instructed the cleaner to throw dirt on Abu Saeed again. On this occasion his Nafs was completely docile and submissiveness. He gathered the dirt, which had fallen to ground and strew it onto himself. When the Hazrat Shaikh was informed, he commented: “Alhamdulillah! The first stage has been traversed.”[11]

Taking a step further, the Sufis began to address themselves as dogs, given that dog is generally looked down upon. The Qur’aan says, “So his description is the description of a dog: if you drive him away, he lolls his tongue out, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls his tongue out. Such is the description of the people who reject Our Ayah (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.).”[12]

1. Moulana Muhammad Qasim, the founder of Darul-Uloom Deoband says in a poem, which has been recorded in Fazaail-e-Aamaal,
“Because of the huge amount of sins even the dogs treat my name as an abuse, but I am proud of your name and your relationship (Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam))... and I desire that my name may be included as a dog of (the streets of) Medina… May I live with the dogs of your Haram and when I die may my corpse be eaten by the vultures of Medina.” [13]

2. Moulana Zakariyah advises a person in a letter that when he goes to the Prophet’s grave he should also say:
‘One black Indian dog (Moulana Zakariyah Kandhalvi) also sends his salaams.’[14]

3. Moulana Ilyas signs his letters addressing himself as
THE DOG OF PROPHET’s CITY [15]



4). Denying the Existence of all the creation
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The Sufis eventually denied their own existence and the existence of all the creation. They claimed that only Allah exists and nothing else. Having reached the pinnacle of misguidance, the Sufis took an extremely dangerous and opposite turn, whereby they explained that the existence of the creation does not negate Tawheed al-Wujoodi, because Allah is manifest in his creation. The creation is part of Allah Himself, and Allah does not exist outside his creation, as explained by Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki with the example of the seed and tree.

Now the people, who did not consider themselves worthy of being called humans and referred to themselves as dogs, now consider themselves to be Allah and Allah to be in the detestable creatures like dogs and pigs![16] And Sufis like Mansoor al-Hallaj proclaimed ‘Anal-Haqq’ (I am the Truth, i.e. Allah) and Abu Yazeed al-Bastami said: ‘Subhani ma-Aadham-shaaani’ (far removed am I from all imperfections, how great is my state) (And these descriptions are only for Allah).

From the above, we see the various stages of Wahdat al-Wajood in light of examples and quotes from the books of the Deobandis. What started with self-imposed anxiety led to degrading one’s existence to the level of dogs and pigs. Further exaggeration led to the complete denial of the existence of the creation, until finally it was claimed that all that exists is nothing but the Creator.

This evil concept is a result of the Sufi’s gross misunderstanding and distance from the clear teachings of the Qur’aan and the Sunnah and arrogance in following one’s own whims and desires.

The most overt and clear refutation of Wahdat al-Wajood is the unmistakable distinction between the Creator and the created in the Qur’aan and the Sunnah. “Allah created all things and He is the Wakeel (Trustee, Disposer of affairs, Guardian) of all things.”[17] We are the creation and Allah is our Creator. He is the One in Whose Hands our affairs lie, and He is the One, Who truly deserves to be worshiped. His Attributes cannot be compared to ours and His Self is beyond our comprehension and imagination.


5). Wahdat ash-Shuhood
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Backing down from the extreme concept of Wahdat al-Wajood was the later innovated concept of Wahdat as-Shuhood. The Majlis ul-Ulema, the Deobandi lobby of South Africa, describes the believer in Wahdat ash-Shuhood as, a high ranking Wali whose soul dwells in a lofty state of Divine Presence and Perception.[18]

From Irshaadul-Mulook,
“To the Sufiya, the true Tawheed means the abandonment of every Tawheed during the state of Tawheed because any focus of the attention of any being other than Allah is within the scope of Tashbeeh (comparison).”[19]

This concept implies that the creation exists, but due to the Sufi’s complete concentration upon Allah, the creation becomes oblivious to him. This concept just serves one purpose and that is to make excuses for the previous Sufis and their open statements of Kufr. Otherwise, this concept is too as baseless as Wahdat al-Wajood. The best and the most perfect worshiper of Allah – Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) - did not experience Wahdat al-Wajood or Wahdat ash-Shuhood.

What the Sufis experience in the form of hallucinations or imaginations is due to the excessive physical abuse of their bodies and Shaytaan’s taking advantage of their venerable state of mind weakened due to starvation, anxiety and wandering in the wilderness.




6). The Concept of Allah being everywhere
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A closely related concept that has been spread among the masses is that Allah is everywhere. The people are expected to believe in this concept without questioning or pondering upon its implications. The saying, “Allah is everywhere by His Self (Dhaat)” opposes the guidance given in the Qur’aan and the Sunnah. It is mentioned at seven places in the Qur’aan[20] that Allah (who calls Himself al-Alaa (the Most High), is above His Arsh (Throne). He is not within or among His creation in His Essence. However, He is all-Seer (as-Sameeh) and all-Hearer (al-Baseer), and Knows everything that the hearts conceal.

The concept of ‘Allah being everywhere’ was neither the belief of the pious predecessors (as-Salaf as-Salih) nor the pious Imams (scholars) of Islam who came after them. For instance is the belief of Imam Abu Haneefah recorded by Ibn Abil-Ezz al-Hanafee in the explanation of “Al-Aqeedah at-Tahawiyah (p. 288)”
Mutee’ al-Balakhee reported that he asked Abu Haneefah’s opinion about a person who says that he does not know whether his Lord is in the Heavens or on earth? Imam Abu Haneefah (rahimahullah) replied: “He has disbelieved, for Allah says: ‘The Most Merciful is above the Throne’[21] and His Throne is above His Seven Heavens.” Al-Balakhee then asked: “What if he said that Allah is above the Throne, but he does not know whether the Throne is in the Heavens or on earth? Imam Abu Haneefah replied: “He has disbelieved because he has denied that Allah is above the Heavens and whoever denies that He is above the Heavens, has disbelieved.”

This is an example of how a large number of Hanafee scholars adopted an important matter of Aqeedah from deviant Sufi beliefs. Imam Abu Haneefah used the word “Kufr” or ‘disbelief’ for him, who denies that Allah is above His Arsh or above the Heavens, which show the great importance, which he gave to the matters of Aqeedah. This is an example of how those who affiliate themselves with the Hanafee Madhhab, only follow the Hanafee Fiqh, but not the Aqeedah (beliefs) of Imam Abu Haneefah.

Likewise, various beliefs of Imam Abu Haneefah mentioned by Ibn Abil-Ezz al-Hanafee (in the explanation of “Al-Aqeedah at-Tahawiyah”) are contradictory with the ideas of the present day Deobandi scholars.



7). Deobandi Scholars unanimously support the theory of Wahdat al-Wajood
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Following are some quotes from the books of Deobandis…

1. Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi says about his Pir (spiritual guide),
“Haji Sahib (Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki) was greatly over-powered by Tawheed… As for Wahdat al-Wajood, it seemed as if he was an eyewitness to it. Once, he was listening to Soorah Ta-Ha, a condition overcame him when he heard the verse: “Allah! There is no God but He, to Him belong the Best Names (al-Asma al-Husna).” He said in the explanation (Tafseer) of this verse: “A question may be raised from the first part of this verse that since there is none other than Allah, (then) what are these Hawatith?[22] The answer is thus, (as in the next part of the verse), ‘Lahul Asma al-Husna’ meaning that all are the Madhahar[23] (manifestations) of Him (Allah). Someone has said (in a poem): “In the garden, I saw every flower. Neither does it have Your color nor Your fragrance.” Haji Sahib (Imdadullah Muhajir Makki) said: “This poet is a Dhahiri (only aware of the outward matters). If he were an Aarif[24], he would have said: “In the garden I saw every flower. They all have Your color, they all have Your fragrance.” However, expressing such sayings or relating them is not for everyone.”[25] Click to view the Scanned Image of the Quote (http://www.ahya.org/tjonline/quotes/malfozathummat-1-244/malfozathummat-1-244.htm)

Imdadullah Muhajir Makki has also written a book on Wahdat al-Wajood.

2. Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi said,
“He (Imdadullah Muhajir Makki) used to say that the human being is outwardly a slave and inwardly (Batini) the Haqq (Allah).” Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi further elaborates, “The batin is the reality which is manifest in the human, and the batin should not be considered a part of the human…”[26]
Click to view the Scanned Image of the Quote (http://www.ahya.org/tjonline/quotes/imdad-ul-mushtaq-62/imdad-ul-mushtaq-62.htm)

3. Once, Moulvi Muhammad Ahsan, a resident of Mecca, expressed his skepticism on the issue of Wahdat al-Wajood to Moulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi. He (Moulvi Ahsan) remarked that this issue seems to oppose Eemaan. Ashraf Ali Thanvi replied:
“Someday listen to my lecture on this issue, then you will yourself say that Eemaan cannot be complete without the belief in this (i.e. Wahdat al-Wajood).” Then, Ashraf Ali Thanvi gave a speech of two hours on a Friday morning. After the lecture, Moulvi Ahsan could not help saying: “Belief in this (Wahdat al-Wajood) is so crucial that without it Eemaan cannot be understood.” The biographer of Ashraf Ali Thanvi comments, “Ashraf Ali Thanvi declared the belief of Wahdat al-Wajood as the completion of Eemaan. But Muhammad Ahsan went much further by saying that Eemaan rests on the belief in Wahdat al-Wajood.”[27]

4. Ashraf Ali Thanvi says:
“You are amazed at people who claim Prophet-hood… People have claimed Lordship. However, nobody must think that Hussain bin Mansoor (al-Hallaj) in his saying, ‘Aanal-Haqq’ [I am the Haqq (Truth meaning Allah)] claimed Lordship (i.e. claimed to be God). Because upon him was a condition, otherwise he also believed in Abdiyaah (the state of being a worshiper) and therefore he offered Salaah. Someone asked him (al-Hallaj): “Since you are Allah, to whom do you prostrate?” He (al-Hallaj) answered: “I have two states, one outward and the other inward. My outward self prostrates to my inward self.”[28]
Click to view the Scanned Image of the Quote (http://www.ahya.org/tjonline/quotes/malfozathummat-1-251/malfozathummat-1-251.htm)

5. Moulana Zakariyah says:
“Hazrat Shaikhul Islam, Moulana Madani said that the same kaifiyat (spiritual state) which constrained Mansoor al-Hallaj to proclaim: “Anal Haqq (I am the Truth i.e. Allah) prevailed for six months on Hazrat Mainji (Nur Muhammad) [who was the Pir (Shaikh) of Imdadullah Muhajir Makki].”[29]

6. In Shamaaim-e-Imdadiyah, a story of a Fakir (hermit) who believed in Wahdat al-Wajood is mentioned. After approving the Aqeedah of the Faqir, the author says:
“It is Shirk to differentiate between the worshiper (Aabid) and the Worshiped (Ma'bud)… To summarize, based upon the explanations of our predecessors, we understand that this position is Haqq (true) and there is no doubt about it. However, its reality is experienced only when a disciple becomes distant from his own self by striving hard and ignoring every danger. Because when a person becomes unaware of his self, he is unaware of everything. Nothing remains in his thoughts or his sight except Allah. Therefore, all concentration of the disciple is upon Allah. When nothing distracts his attention and he meditates his mind on Allah; then when he opens his eyes, he sees nothing but Allah. (At this stage) the Dhikr of Hu Hu (He He) turns to Ana Ana (Me Me). This stage is called Fanah der Fanah … (Similarly) from the special Ummah, Ba Yazid Bastami[19] said: ‘Subhaani maa Aadhaam-Shaani (Glory be to me, Far removed am I from all imperfections, how great is my state) and Mansoor Hallaj said: ‘Anal-Haqq’ (I am the Truth).[30]
Click to view the Scanned Image of the Quote (http://www.ahya.org/tjonline/quotes/shamaim-imdadiya-35/shamaim-imdadiya-35.htm)


7. From Shamaaim-e-Imdadiyah,
“In the stage of Uboodiyyah (The state of being Abd or worshiper), there are three meanings of the Kalimah – “Laa ilaha illa Allah” Laa Ma’bood (Nobody is worthy of worship) Laa Matloob (Nobody is desired) and Laa Mowjood (None exists), the last being the loftiest stage.”[31]
Click to view the Scanned Image of the Quote (http://www.ahya.org/tjonline/quotes/shamaim-imdadiya-42/shamaim-imdadiya-42.htm)

8. In the book Irshaadul-Mulook, a letter written by Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi to his Pir, Imdadullah Muhajir Makki, has been mentioned in which Rasheed Ahmad Gungohi writes at the end,
“In reality I am nothing. It is only Your Shadow – only Your existence (i.e. Allah’s existence). What am I? I am nothing. Only He is. You and me are Shirk upon Shirk.”[32]


Comment: In this letter, Rasheed Ahmad Gungohi informs his Pir, Imdadullah Muhajir Makki of his well being, and then says that in reality neither he, nor his Pir exists. And to differentiate between the Creator and the created is Shirk. Creation is only the Shadow of Allah. So, then who is writing the letter to whom? Sufism is full of self-contradictions!!

Shaikh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullah) mentions a story in relation to the theory of Wahdat al-Wajood in his book, ‘Al-Furqaan bayna Awliya ar-Rahmaa wa-Awliya ash-Shaytaan’ on page. 101, “The book, ‘Essence of Wisdom’ of Ibn Arabee was read to at-Talmasani and said: “This book of yours goes against the Qur’aan.” To which he replied: ‘The whole Qur’aan is associationism (Shirk), Tawheed is only found in our writings.” Then it was said to him: “If all existence is only one, why is a wife Halaal to a man while his sister is Haraam?” He said: “Both of them to us are Halaal, but he who is veiled says, Haraam! And so we say Haraam for you.’ The Shaikh further mentions, ‘This person, aside from his blatant belief (Kufr), has also contradicted himself! If all existence is one, who is the veiled one and who is the one who veils? Thus, one of their Shaikhs said to one of his followers: ‘Whoever tells you that there is anything other than Allah in the Universe has lied.’ The student then asked him: ‘Who then is the one who lied?’ They said to another student: ‘These are nothing but appearances.’ He said to them: ‘Are these appearances other than that, you have introduced relativity (no unity of existence!) and if they are the same, then it is as I said.’

8). Wahdat al-Wajood and Moksha
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If one analyzes the Hindu concept of the relationship between God and mankind, he would be startled at the similarity between the Pagan concept of Moksha and the Aqeedah of Wahdat al-Wajood of the Deobandis and Sufis. Following are some excerpts from the book, “The Religion of the Hindus.”[33]

“The Hindu scriptures teach that the ultimate end of human life is liberation (Moksha) from that finite human consciousness, which makes humans see everything as separate from one another and not as part of a whole. When a higher consciousness dawns upon us, we see the individual parts of the Universe as deriving their true significance from the central unity of spirit. This is the beginning of the experience, which the Hindu scriptures call, ‘the second birth’, or ‘the opening of the third eye’ or ‘the eye of wisdom’. The end of this experience is more or less permanent establishment of the inspiring consciousness, which is the ultimate goal of man.

Our political and social institutions, our arts and sciences, our creeds, and rituals are not ends in themselves, but only means to this goal of ‘liberation’. When this goal is reached, man is lifted above his mortal plane and becomes one with that ocean of pure Being, Consciousness and Bliss called ‘Brahman’ in Hindu scriptures.

The ultimate aim of man is liberation. Liberation is not only from the bondage of the flesh but also from the limitations of a finite being. In other words, ‘Moksha’ means becoming a perfect spirit like the Supreme Spirit.”



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Footnotes
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[1] Irshaadul-Mulook (Eng. Trans.) p.152.
[2] Ikhmaalush-Shiyaam (Eng. Trans.) p.219.
[3] Fazaail-e-Aamaal (Hindi Trans.) Virtues of Hajj, p.256. story no.3 (First Edition 1984 - Published by Idara Ishaat-e-Diniyaat).
Fazaail-e-Aamaal (Eng. Trans.), Virtues of Hajj, Conclusion, p.233, story no. 3, (New Edition 1982, Published by Dini Book Depot - Delhi).
[4] Virtues of Charity and Hajj story no: 40, p.270 (New Edition 1982, Published by Dini Book Depot).
[5] Irshaadul-Mulook (Eng. Trans.), p.22.
[6] See Soorah al-Anfaal (8): 2, Soorah az-Zumar (39): 23, and Soorah Maryam (19): 58.
[7] For more information refer to, “The Dispraise of al-Hawaa” by Dr. Saleh as-Saleh, p.74-75.
[8] See Fazaail-e-Aamaal (Eng. Trans.) Virtues of Charity and Hajj story no: 4, p.234 (New Edition 1982, Published by Dini Book Depot - Delhi).
[9] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.220.
[10] Qut al-Quloob vol.2, p.70.
[11] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.192.
[12] Soorah a-A’raf (7): 176.
[13] Fazaail-e-Aamaal (Eng. Trans.) The Virtues of Darood, p.164, no. 46. (Edn. 1985 – Published by Dini Book Depot, Delhi).
[14] Savaneh Muhammad Yousuf, p.132. (India – Maktabaa Taalifaat Ashrafeeyah) 1304 H.
[15] Makatib Hazrat Moulana Shah Mohammad Ilyas) compiled by Moulana Sayed Abul-Hassan Ali Nadvi – Idara Ishaat al-Diniyat, Nizamuddin, New Delhi) p.54.
[16] See Al-Kashf anil-Haqeeqat as-Soofiyyah p.162.
[17] Soorah az-Zumar (39): 62.
[18] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.192.
[19] Irshaadul-Mulook (Eng. Trans.) pp. 155.
[20] This has been mentioned at seven places in the Qur’aan. Soorah al-Ar’af (7): 54, Soorah Yunus (10): 3, Soorah ar-Rad (13): 2, Soorah Ta-Ha (20): 5, Soorah al-Furqan (25): 59, Soorah as-Sajdah (32): 4 and Soorah al-Hadid (57): 4.
[21] Soorah Taahaa (20): 5.
[22] Hawatith : Things that do not exist originally, but come into existence later.
[23] Madhahar : The point of manifestation. Here it means (according to the explanation of Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki) that the creatures are nothing but the visible manifestations of Allaah. Just like Allaah’s Asmaa al-Husnaa (Beautiful Names) are not other than Him, similarly these Hawadith are not other than Him.
[24] Aarif: a Soofi who has reached the stage of Ma’rifah, i.e. has gained knowledge through mystical means.
[25] Malfoodhat Hakeem al-Ummat (a biography of Ashraf Ali Thanvi by Muhammed Iqbal Quraishi) vol.1, p.244
[26] Imdadul-Mushtaq ila Ashraful-akhlaq (Urdu) saying no.74, p.62.
[27] Maqtoobat wa-Malfoozaat Ashrafeeyah (Writings and Sayings of Ashraf Ali Thanvi), a biography by one of Thanvi’s Khaleefahs, Moulana Muhammed Shareef p.185-186.
[28] Malfoozat Hakim al-Ummat (a biography of Ashraf Ali Thanvi by Muhammad Iqbal Qurayshi), vol.1, p.251. The same belief is found in the poem of Ibn al-Faridh, which he entitled, Nudhum As-Suluuk.
[29] Mashaikh-e-Chist (Eng. Trans.) p.213.
[30] Abu Yazld bin Tayfur bin ‘Isa al-Bistami, one of the founders of Soofism hailed from Bistam, a town in the Iranian province of Khamis.
[31] Shamaaim-e-Imdaadiyah, p.35 and 36. Sai Baba used to make similar statements such as, “I am Parwardigar (Persian for God)” [The Life and Teachings of Sai Baba, p.4.]
[32] Soorah al-Hajj (22): 6.
[33] Shamaaim-e-Imdaadiyah, p.43.
[34] Irshaadul-Mulook, (Eng. Trans.) p.11.

Abu Mughira
02-07-06, 04:21 PM
Refutation of Wahdat al-Wajood in light of the Qur’aan and the Sunnah
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The clear belief of Allah’s being upon his Throne is itself a refutation of Wahdat al-Wajood and those who say, ‘Allah is everywhere.’

(A) Numerous Qur’aanic verses state that Allah, the Exalted is above His Arsh (Throne) in a manner that befits His Majesty and Glory. Allah says:
“Your Rabb (Lord) is Allah, Who created the Heavens and the earth in six days and then rose above His Arsh (Throne), He manages all things.”[1]

Additional six similar verses are found in the Qur’aan. Numerous verses in every Soorah also indicate the same, from amongst them are,
“He is irresistible, above His slaves, and He is the All-Wise, Well-Acquainted with all things.”[2]
“To Him ascend (all) the good words, and the righteous deeds exalt them.”[3]

(B) Numerous Ahaadeeth of Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) clearly prove that Allah, the Exalted, is above his Throne and not among His creation in essence.

1. Muawiyah Ibn al-Hakam (radhi allahu anhu) said:
“I had a servant girl, who used to tend my sheep in the area of mount Uhud.... One day, I came to see them only to find out that a wolf had made off with a sheep from her flock... (for which) ...I gave her a terrible slap in her face. When I came to Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) with the story, he considered it to be a grave thing for me to have done so. I said: “O Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam), couldn’t I free her?” He replied: “Bring her to me.” So I brought her. He (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) then asked her: “Where is Allah?” She replied: “Above the Sky.” He (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) then asked her: “Who am I?” and she replied: “You are Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam).” So, the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said: “Free her for she is a true believer.”[4]

2. Abu Saeed al-Khudree (radhi allahu anhu) reports that the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said:
“Do you not trust me, and I am the trustworthy servant of Him, Who is above the sky. The news of the Heaven comes to me in the morning and in the evening.”[5]

3. Abu Hurayrah (radhi allahu anhu) reported:
“The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said: “When Allah completed the creation, He Wrote in a Book (which He kept) with Him above His Throne: “Verily, My Mercy precedes My Anger.”[6]

4. The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said:
“Every night when it is the last third of the night, our Lord, the Superior, the Blessed, descends to the nearest Heaven and says: ‘Is there anyone to invoke Me so that I may respond to his invocation? Is there anyone to ask Me, so that I may grant him his request? Is there anyone asking My forgiveness, so that I may forgive him?’”[7]

5. It is mentioned in Saheeh al-Bukharee, the wife of Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam), Zaynab bint Jaysh (radhi allahu anha) used to boast to the other wives of the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) that their families gave them away in marriage to the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam), while Allah from above the Seven Heavens gave her away in marriage.”[8]

(C) The Fitrah (Natural Inclination)
The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) said:
“Every child is born in the state of Fitrah (i.e. a Muslim). Then his parents make him a Jew, Christian or a Zoroastrian.”[9]
It is against the conviction of natural pure Fitrah to believe that all creation is Allah, which also includes filth and dirty places. No sane Muslim would ever accept such corrupt and immoral belief about His Lord, except him who has lost his senses or his Fitrah has been corrupted, as the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) stated: “…Then his parents make him a Jew, Christian or a Zoroastrian.”

Even a simple-minded Hindu in India remember the Lord as, “Uper-wala” or ‘the One Who is above’. The disbelieving Pharaoh too was naturally inclined to this belief, “…The Pharaoh said, ‘O Haamaan, build a lofty place for me so that I may attain the ways of (reaching the) Heavens for me to behold the God of Moosa…”[10]

(D) Isra wal-Meraj
Another manifest proof that Allah is above the Seven Heavens is the miraculous event of Isra wal-Meraj, during which Allah’s Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) was taken above the Seven Heavens to meet Allah, the Exalted. If Allah is present everywhere and in everything, (Na’oodho billah); the virtues and wisdoms behind the journey of Meraj would prove to be insignificant and worthless!



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Footnotes
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[1] Soorah Yunus (10): 3-4.
[2] Soorah al-An’aam (6): 18.
[3] Soorah Faatir (35): 10.
[4] Saheeh Muslim (Eng. Trans.) vol. 1, p.271-272, no.1094.
[5] Saheeh al-Bukharee (Eng. Trans.) vol. 8, no: 67, and Saheeh Muslim (Eng. Trans.) vol. 2, no: 742.
[6] Saheeh al-Bukharee (Eng. Trans.) vol.9, p.382-383, no.518) and Saheeh Muslim (Eng. Trans.) vol.4, p.1437, no.6628)
[7] Saheeh al-Bukharee vol: 9, no: 586 and Muwatta no: 15/30. Transmitted in Sharh as-Sunnah at-Tirmidhee no: 2601.
[8] Saheeh al-Bukharee (Eng. Trans.) vol. 9, p.382, no: 517.
[9] Saheeh al-Bukharee, vol. 8, no: 597, and Saheeh Muslim, vol. 4, no: 6423.
[10] Soorah Ghaafir (40): 36-37.

Abu Mughira
02-07-06, 04:22 PM
Additional Proofs from the Sayings of our Pious Predecessors (as-Salaf as-Salih)
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Abu Bakr (radhi allahu anhu): Abdullah Ibn Umar (radhi allahu anhu) reported:
“When the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) was taken (passed away). Abu Bakr (radhi allahu anhu) entered and kissed his (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) forehead and said: “May my father and mother be sacrificed on you! You were good in life and in death.” Then he remarked: “He who worshiped Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam), then Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) is dead. (But) he, who worships Allah, then Allah is above the sky, He lives and does not die.”[1]

Imam Malik (d.179H): Abdullah Ibn Naafi reported that Malik Ibn Anas (rahimahullah) said:
“Allah is above the sky and His Knowledge is in every place, not being absent from anything.”[2]

Shaikh al-Islam Abdullah Ibn Mubarak (d. 181H): Alee Ibn al-Hasan Ibn Shaqeeq reports, I asked Abdullah Ibn al-Mubarak:
“How are we to know our Lord?” He replied: “He is above the seventh Heaven above His Throne. We do not say as the Jahmiyyah[3] say, He is here on the earth.” This was mentioned to Ahmad Ibn Hambal (rahimahullah), he stated: “That is how it is with us (i.e. how we believe).”[4]

Imam Muhammad Ibn Idrees ash-Shafi’ee (d. 204H): Abu Thawr and Abu Shuaib both reported that ash-Shafi’ee said:
“The saying which I found and hold regarding the Sunnah, those which I have seen Sufyan, Malik and others believing in are; ‘the testification, ‘None has the right to be worshiped but Allah and Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) is the Messenger of Allah’, Allah is above His Throne over the Heavens, He draws near to His creation as He wishes and descends to the lowest Heaven as He wishes....”[5]

Imam Ahmad Ibn Hambal (d. 241H): It was said to Abu Abdullah (Imam Ahmad):
“Allah is above the seventh Heaven, over His Throne, separate from His creation. His Power and Knowledge are in every place.” He said, “Yes, He is above the Throne and His Knowledge is in every place.”[6]

Shaikh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah writes, ‘the early generations of Muslims and their Imams were in complete and unanimous agreement that the Lord is separate and distinct from His creation.’[7]

These are few sayings of the scholars, Adh-Dhahabee has collected more than two hundred sayings of the early scholars in this regard in his book al-’Uluw.[8]


Misconception Cleared
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A number of Qur’aanic verses indicate the nearness of Allah to His creations, one among them is “He is with you, wherever you are...”[9]

The nearness of Allah to His slaves refers to His Absolute Knowledge, as is also explained by Imam Ibn Katheer (rahimahullah) in his Tafseer of the above mentioned verse. He says, “meaning, He is Watching over you and Witnessing your deeds wherever you may be, on land or on sea, during the night or the day, at home or in open areas or deserts. All of that is the same before His Knowledge and all of it is under His Sight and Hearing. He hears your speech and sees wherever you are…”

Thus, the nearness in the Qur’aanic verses is not by the Essence of Allah, but in Knowledge. Allah is As-Sameeh (the All-Hearer), Al-Baseer (the All-Seer) and al-Aleem (the All-Knower). He does not need to be among His creation to know their actions and conditions.

Imam Ibn Katheer (rahimahullah) writes in the Tafseer of the verse, “and Indeed, We have created man, and We know what his self whispers to him. And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.” Means, His Angels are nearer to man than his jugular vein. Those who explained ‘We’ in the verse to mean, ‘Our Knowledge,’ have done so to avoid falling into the idea of incarnation or indwelling; but these two creeds are false according to the consensus of Muslims. Allah is praised and glorified, He is far hallowed beyond what they ascribe to Him. The words of this verse do not need this explanation (that ‘We’ refers to ‘Allah’s Knowledge’), for Allah did not say, ‘and I am closer to him than his jugular vein.’ Rather, He said, “And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.’ Just as He said in the case of dying person, “But We are nearer to him than you, but you see not.”[10]





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Footnotes
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[1] Reported by ad-Daarimee in ar-Radd ‘alal Jahmiyyah, with a hasan isnaad.
[2] Reported by Abdullah Ibn Ahmad in As-Sunnah (p.5), Aboo Dawood in al-Masaa’il (p.263), Al-Aajuree in ash-Sharee’ah (p. 289) and al-Laalikaa’ee (1/92/2).
[3] Jahmiyyah are the followers of Jahm Ibn Safwan, who was the first one to publicly declare the denial of Allah’s Attributes. Before long he denied the Attributes of Allah, he was killed and crucified by Khalid Ibn Abdullah Al-Khusari, Prince of Iraq. This took place during the era of the Tabioon, (students of the Companion). All the scholars at his time called him a Kafir on account of plainly denying the Attributes of Allah.
[4] Reported by ad-Daarimee in ar-Radd ‘alal-Mareesee (p.24 and 103) and ar-Radd ‘alal-Jahmiyyah (p. 50) and Abdullaah Ibn Ahmad in as-Sunnah (p.7, 25, 35 and 72).
[5] Mukhtasar al-’Uluww (l96).
[6] Reported by al-Khallaal in al-Mukhtasar.
[7] ‘Al-Furqaan bayna Awliya ar-Rahmaan wa-Awliya ash-Shaytaan’ by Shaikh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah on p.111.
[8] ‘The Ever-Merciful Istiwa Over the Throne’ by Shaikh Abdullah as-Sabt deals with this subject in details.
[9] Soorah al-Hadid (57): 4.
[10] Soorah al-Waqi’ah (56): 85.

faqir
02-07-06, 09:01 PM
:salams

This is complete nonsense from multiple angles.

It is a misrepresentation of the concept of Wahdatul Wujood as understood by the Deobandi Ulema.

A straw man argument has been created and a so-called "refutation" has been posted in response.

The other point is that this issue has never been one of Aqida.

Wahdatul wujood is an experience not a theological point.

It is a state that one achieves when one realises that the existence of everything in creation is entirely dependent on Allah - so it is as though only He exists.

This does not mean that Allah is "everywhere" or He is part of His creation - Allah's refuge is sought from such baatil!


Perhaps a more fair representation of how the Deobandis understood this concept can be gained through the words of a prominent Deobandi himself:





Wahdat al-Wujood Simplified




Summary of the explanation of Wahdat al-Wujood by Maulana Zafar Ahmad Usmani in the Introduction of his Urdu book "Al-Qawlul Mansur fi Ibn al-Mansur"




Allah Ta'ala has many qualities, one of them is wujood (existence). The wujood of Allah is compulsory (Allah is 'wajib al-Wujood'). The wujood of Allah has no beginning and no end. The wujood of the creation of Allah is 'hadis' (of recent occurrence) and dependent upon Allah Ta'ala in all its aspects.

Regarding the wujood of the creation, the Ulama-e-Zahir say that the wujood of the creation is 'mustaqil' (confirmed), meaning that it is not a shadow of the existence of Allah but entirely dependent upon Allah in all its aspects. The soofia-e-kiram say that the wujood of the creation is 'ghair-mustaqil' (unconfirmed). Indeed, the wujood of the creation is 'khayali' (speculative). The real wujood is that of Allah alone. The entire creation is a testimony of the wujood of Allah. In other words, the existence of the creation is totally different than the existence of Allah. One can not make 'qiyas' (analogical deduction) of Allah's wujood with that of the creation. The existence of Allah is real and independent. Therefore, wahdat al-wujood means that Allah is one in His existence as He is one in His 'zaat' (self/identity). It is a much deeper notion of 'tawheed' (oneness of Allah). 'Wahdat as-shuhood' means that the mere speculative existence of the creation testifies the independent existence of Allah.

'Wujood-e-khayali' (the speculative existence of the creation) is of two types:

1. 'Waqi'ee' (occurring)

2. 'Ghair waqi'ee (non-occurring)

The soofia say that the creation is 'waqi'ee' (occurring) but its occurrence is limited in terms of 'makaan' (place) and 'zamaan' (time) and dependent upon Allah. It would be wrong to call the creation non-occurring and say that everything one sees is Allah, this is against the 'aqaa'id' (beliefs) of the Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah. This is where all the misunderstanding arises. In reality, the beliefs held by the 'soofia-e-kiram' in regards to the oneness of Allah are in exact accordance with Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah and much deeper and firm-rooted than those of the 'ulama-e-zahir'. Once a person believes that the creation is only speculative then he will not think and believe that the benefits and harms being displayed by the creation are its creation but all harm and benefit is the creation of Allah. The creation only displays the orders of Allah. The 'hikmah' (wisdom) of 'wahdat al-wujood' and 'wahdat as-shuhood' is to ingrain a deep 'yaqin' (conviction) of Allah in the depths of the hearts. If a person has a hard time understanding this, he should stick to the basic beliefs and tenets of Islam as described by the 'ulama-e-zahir' because these are proven from the Quran with clarity. However, one does not have the right to criticize the 'soofia' for their beliefs just because one is unable to understand the reality of their views.

One should also understand that the views of the 'soofia' regarding 'wahdat al-wujood' are not from the fundamentals of 'tassawwuf' and understanding it is not a condition for a 'saalik' (seeker of truth). Those who speak ill of the 'soofia' should fear Allah and contemplate over the following hadith of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi WaSallam):


إملاء الخير خير من السكوت والسكوت خير من إملاء الشر رواه البيهقى فى شعب الايمان

"Speaking what is good is better than silence and silence is better than talking evil."

(Reported by al-Bayhaqi)

From: http://www.geocities.com/hujjatulmuslim/wahdatalwujood (http://www.geocities.com/hujjatulmuslim/wahdatalwujood)

faqir
02-07-06, 09:09 PM
A quote from one of the shuyukh whose views have been misrepresented above which clearly shows that he did not believe that Allah is "everywhere":

"Because of not understanding Wahdat ul Wujood's meaning, many deviant groups were created, some believing in Hulool and others in Ittihad"

- Hadhrat Haji Sahib Imdadullah Muhajir Makki Rahimahullahu Ta`ala {Imdad ul Mushtaq malfoodh 145.}

FollowerOfMuhammad
03-07-06, 01:12 PM
Wahdat al-Wajood or Wahdat ul-Wujood is a concept based upon the idea that nothing exists other than Allah, and creation is merely the manifestation of Allah. This implies that the creation is Allah, and Allah does not exist outside the creation.



This whole article can be refuted with its first statement itself :

1.

Wahdat al-Wajood or Wahdat ul-Wujood is a concept based upon the idea that nothing exists other than Allah, and creation is merely the manifestation of Allah

The guy has never studied wahdatul wujood.

It actually is based on the concept that nothing can exist by itself except ALLAh and not nothing exists except ALLAh.

Al-Irhaab
05-07-06, 11:33 PM
any reply to the above statements :rolleyes:

faqir
13-07-06, 11:50 PM
:salams

Although not directly related, I have been collecting some excerpts from Ibn Kathir's Tafsir.

see: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15394&page=1&pp=10

{if anyone sees any errors in translation do let me know!}

:salams

Um Abdullah
14-07-06, 04:31 AM
"Because of not understanding Wahdat ul Wujood's meaning, many deviant groups were created, some believing in Hulool and others in Ittihad"

- Hadhrat Haji Sahib Imdadullah Muhajir Makki Rahimahullahu Ta`ala {Imdad ul Mushtaq malfoodh 145.}


yes, because you believe in something that is unclear and confusing, and Islam is all clear with no beliefs that are ambiguous or can't be comprehended.
Your shaikh Ibn Arabi is the one who started this "wuhdat al-wujud" thing.
And it seems that scholars during his time and after understood it to mean other than what you say, to the point that some made takfir towards him.
So those scholars are "ignorant" and don't understand Ibn Arabi and Ibn Farid and other Sufi Scholars who spoke of it?
And your shaikhs are the only ones who can understand it?

Isn't that amazing.

PocketY
14-07-06, 09:57 AM
I think we need to be careful before we say things about what other scholars have written without going through the proper training or simply relying upon translations that may not be accurate. Shouldn't we make 70 excuses for our brethren in Islam? What happened to husn-al-dhann? I do not want to face my Lord on the Day of Judgement with the sin of having slandered one of His Awliya (any scholar could be one). 'The flesh of scholars is poison'.
If as brother Faqir has said, it is not an issue of aqida, then shouldn't we stop wasting our time on this and concentrate more on perfecting our understanding of tawhid? Or reading more Quran.

Jumu'ah Mubarak!

Um Abdullah
14-07-06, 02:09 PM
Although not directly related, I have been collecting some excerpts from Ibn Kathir's Tafsir.

see: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...4&page=1&pp=10

{if anyone sees any errors in translation do let me know!}

You need to study tafsir before you write stuff like that.

I am sorry to make you disappointed, but Ibn Kathir himself quoted in his tafsir of ayah (2:34) the quote of At-Tabari rahimahu Allah, who quoted a lengthy narration attributed to Ibn Abbas radiyallahu anhu, in which you find:
" so He created Adam from it (clay) with His hand".
And that is confirming the hand.
alhamdulillah.


I will only comment on a few ayat you mentioned in ur post:

Verse 43:84
"And He it is Who is Allah in the heavens and Allah in the earth"

means, He is the God of those who are in the heavens and the God of those who are on earth; all of

them worship Him and are humbled before Him. "And He is the All-Wise, the All-Knower."

so what is the problem here?
That is the actuall meaning of the ayah.
Where the word (Allah) is in the translation, it is (iIlah) in the ayah, and illah means "ma'bood" (the One worshipped).

And the translation of Hilali & Khan makes it more clear than the other translations:
[It is He (Allâh) Who is the only Ilâh (God to be worshipped) in the heaven and the only Ilâh (God to be worshipped) on the earth. And He is the All-Wise, the All-Knower.]

verse 7:54
...
...people have many positions on this matter, and this is not the place to present them at length. On this point,

we follow the position of the early Muslims (salaf)—Malik, Awza‘i, Thawri, Layth ibn Sa‘d, Shafi‘i, Ahmad, Ishaq

ibn Rahawayh, as well as others among the Imams of the Muslims, ancient and modern—namely, to let the verse

pass as it has come, without saying how it is meant (bi la takyif), without any resemblance to created things (wa

la tashbih), and without nullifying it (wa la ta‘til), and the literal outward meaning (dhahir) that comes to the

minds of anthropomorphists (al-mushabbihin) is negated of Allah, for nothing created has any resemblance to

Him: "There is nothing whatsoever like unto Him, and He is the All-hearing, the All-seeing"


note he said: والظاهر المتبادر إلى أذهان المشبهين منفي عن الله،
and the literal outward meaning "that comes to the minds of anthropomorphists (al-mushabbihin)" is negated by Allah.
so what comes to the mind of anthropomorphists?
what comes to their minds when they hear that Allah has a "hand" is that "His hand is like the creations' hand"

exalted is Allah.
And it seems that that is what came to the mind of Asha'ira, so they made ta'wil, because they couldn't "comprehend" it any other way, so they resorted to ta'wil in some of the attribues and they didn't negate Allah's attributes, which keeps them inside the fold of Islam (alhamdulillah), but Jahmiyyah were stupid, because when that came to their mind they resorted to negating all of Allah's attributes !

But what comes to NON anthropomorphists is that His "hand" is not like the "creations'" hands, and that His hand is in a manner that befits His Majesty, which Ibn Kathir mentions after what you quoted:
"and it is like the Imams said, from them are Na'eem bin Hammad al-Khuza'i, he said: who does tashbih (anthropomorphism) of Allah to His creation becomes a disbeliever, and who negates what Allah described Himself with becomes a disbeliever, and there is no tashbih in what Allah described Himself with or His messenger , so who confirms to Allah Ta'la what came in the clear ayat (verses of the Quran) and the authentic reports in the manner that befits Allah's Majesty and negates from Allah the faults, then he has taken the path of guidance." end of quote

So because the "literal meaning that comes to anthromorphists minds" didn't come to their mind, they didn't negate the attribute nor did they do ta'wil, but they confirmed the attribute with its general meaning with no takyif (modality) or ta'wil or tashbih (anthropomorphism).
Alhamdulillah.

faqir
14-07-06, 10:22 PM
You need to study tafsir before you write stuff like that.

:salams

Sister, I am trying to study Ibn Kathir's tafsir - not making my own tafsir!

In fact, the post I have linked has translations of the Imam's tafsir provided with the original arabic text.


I am sorry to make you disappointed, but Ibn Kathir himself quoted in his tafsir of ayah (2:34) the quote of At-Tabari rahimahu Allah, who quoted a lengthy narration attributed to Ibn Abbas radiyallahu anhu, in which you find:
" so He created Adam from it (clay) with His hand".
And that is confirming the hand.
alhamdulillah.


What do you mean by "that is confirming the hand"?


I will only comment on a few ayat you mentioned in ur post:



so what is the problem here?
That is the actuall meaning of the ayah.
Where the word (Allah) is in the translation, it is (iIlah) in the ayah, and illah means "ma'bood" (the One worshipped).

And the translation of Hilali & Khan makes it more clear than the other translations:
[It is He (Allâh) Who is the only Ilâh (God to be worshipped) in the heaven and the only Ilâh (God to be worshipped) on the earth. And He is the All-Wise, the All-Knower.]


There is no problem with the translation of the explanation given by Ibn Kathir.

However, what is the literal translation of the ayah? Is it to be believed literally?



note he said: والظاهر المتبادر إلى أذهان المشبهين منفي عن الله،
and the literal outward meaning "that comes to the minds of anthropomorphists (al-mushabbihin)" is negated by Allah.


Read what I posted.


so what comes to the mind of anthropomorphists?


Well, as you can read Arabic you will know what Ibn Kathir thinks comes to the minds of the anthropormphists = "the literal outward meaning [dhahir]" - so I guess we should avoid that.


what comes to their minds when they hear that Allah has a "hand" is that "His hand is like the creations' hand"

Is that the literal outward meaning [dhahir] of yad?


exalted is Allah.

Yes.


And it seems that that is what came to the mind of Asha'ira, so they made ta'wil, because they couldn't "comprehend" it any other way, so they resorted to ta'wil in some of the attribues and they didn't negate Allah's attributes, which keeps them inside the fold of Islam (alhamdulillah), but Jahmiyyah were stupid, because when that came to their mind they resorted to negating all of Allah's attributes !

Well, according to the asha'ira the literal outward meaning is not the intent, the safest position is tafwid but ta'wil is employed to refute the innovators if there is a proof from the early generations or scope within the language of the qur'an.


But what comes to NON anthropomorphists is that His "hand" is not like the "creations'" hands, and that His hand is in a manner that befits His Majesty, which Ibn Kathir mentions after what you quoted:
"and it is like the Imams said, from them are Na'eem bin Hammad al-Khuza'i, he said: who does tashbih (anthropomorphism) of Allah to His creation becomes a disbeliever, and who negates what Allah described Himself with becomes a disbeliever, and there is no tashbih in what Allah described Himself with or His messenger , so who confirms to Allah Ta'la what came in the clear ayat (verses of the Quran) and the authentic reports in the manner that befits Allah's Majesty and negates from Allah the faults, then he has taken the path of guidance." end of quote


Yes, thank you. Here it is:

بل الأمر كما قال الأئمة، منهم: نعيم بن حماد الخزاعي شيخ البخاري، قال: من شبه الله بخلقه كفر، ومن جحد ما وصف الله به نفسه فقد كفر، وليس فيما وصف الله به نفسه ولا رسوله تشبيه، فمن أثبت لله تعالى ما وردت به الآيات الصريحة، والأخبار الصحيحة، على الوجه الذي يليق بجلال الله، ونفى عن الله تعالى النقائص، فقد سلك سبيل الهدى



But the fact of the matter is as explained by the Imams; like Nu`aym ibn Hammad al-Khuza`yi who is Imam Bukhari's shaykh - he said:

Whosoever held a similitude for Allah from His creation has committed disbelief [kufr], whosoever disputes what Allah has attributed for Himself has committed disbelief [kufr], there is absolutely no similitude [tash'bih] in what Allah taala has described Himself or His messenger; so, whosoever affirms [the attributes] for Allah ta`ala [just] as they have been mentioned in the [qur'anic] verses, and in the authentic reports - that is befitting the Majesty of Allah ta'ala and negates all flaws [naqayiS] from Allah ta'ala has truly struck the path of guidance.



This is actually another lovely quote. No mention of taking literal meanings. Just mentioning as has been revealed.

So because the "literal meaning that comes to anthromorphists minds" didn't come to their mind, they didn't negate the attribute nor did they do ta'wil, but they confirmed the attribute with its general meaning with no takyif (modality) or ta'wil or tashbih (anthropomorphism).
Alhamdulillah.

I'm glad you agree that the literal outward meaning is not intended.


JazakAllahu khairan.

faqir
14-07-06, 10:27 PM
yes, because you believe in something that is unclear and confusing, and Islam is all clear with no beliefs that are ambiguous or can't be comprehended.
Your shaikh Ibn Arabi is the one who started this "wuhdat al-wujud" thing.
And it seems that scholars during his time and after understood it to mean other than what you say, to the point that some made takfir towards him.
So those scholars are "ignorant" and don't understand Ibn Arabi and Ibn Farid and other Sufi Scholars who spoke of it?
And your shaikhs are the only ones who can understand it?

Isn't that amazing.


:salams

I think you will find that the original post is in reference to the Deobandi Ulema.

I have tried to provide you some explanation directly from Deobandi sources. If it is still unclear to you then I suggest you seek out a Deobandi shaikh and ask him directly.

May Allah reward you.

:salams

Um Abdullah
15-07-06, 05:46 AM
Sister, I am trying to study Ibn Kathir's tafsir - not making my own tafsir!

I meant study tafsir Ibn Kathir, the whole thing, before talking about his manhaj, or his beliefs in a certain issue, because in one part he might be ambiguous and more clear in another part, so to understand the stance of a person in an issue you have to read all of his book not only part of it.
And that is a good thing that you are studying the tafsir.
by the way, I advise you to study usool tafsir and manahij mufasireen also.
It will help in ur study of tafsir.
And it is fundemental in comprehending the issue of tafsir.

What do you mean by "that is confirming the hand"?
what I meant is that he confirmed its general meaning, that Allah does have a hand but a hand that is in a manner that befits Allah 'azza wa jal.
not a hand like His creations hand. exalted be He.
If he didn't believe that Allah had a hand he would have said that Allah created Adam with his power or ability or kept quiet about it if he did tafwid of its meaning.
And it is important to understand that similarity in "names" doesn't necessitate similarity in "modality" (kayfiyyah), even the attributes in the creation are not all the same.
For example, the arms of an octopus are not like our arms, also the eyes of a fly are not like the human eyes (you can read about it yourself), the power of an elephant is not like the power of an ant... etc.
So the attribute has the same name, but the actualy modality of it in the creation is different. walillahi al-mathalu al-a'la.
So it has to do with the essence, our essence is weak so our attributes are weak and have faults, but Allah's essence is Great and perfect, so Allah's attributes would be Great and perfect and are definitly not like ours.
Exalted be Allah.


However, what is the literal translation of the ayah? Is it to be believed literally?

brother, I told you the meaning of "illah" which is used in the ayah, the literal meaning of "illah" is "ma'bood" (the One worshipped), so what does that mean?
It means that he is "the one worshipped" in the heaven and in the earth.
So where is the ta'wil in the tafsir of the ayah?


Well, as you can read Arabic you will know what Ibn Kathir thinks comes to the minds of the anthropormphists = "the literal outward meaning [dhahir]" - so I guess we should avoid that.
...
Is that the literal outward meaning [dhahir] of yad?


he said "the literal meaning >> that << comes to the mind of anthropomorphists.
He didn't say that what comes to the mind of anthropomorphists is the literal meaning.

You see, there is a general meaning, and a detailed one, the detailed one is the kayfiyyah, meaning u start going into details about its meaning, saying how the attribute is.
But when u confirm its general meaning, saying that yes Allah has a hand that is a hand not "power" or "ability" or something that is totally ambiguous, meaning it is the same as saying "gahslgh", its letters are there but the meaning is ambiguous, we don't know what it means.
But going into "how" the attribute is, here it is not allowed and it is "khawd fi al-ma'na خوض في المعنى" meaning going into details of the meaning, and that is what anthropomorphists have done when they did tashbih, because what came to their mind is the detailed meaning, the attribute and its kayfiyyah.

Well, according to the asha'ira the literal outward meaning is not the intent, the safest position is tafwid but ta'wil is employed to refute the innovators if there is a proof from the early generations or scope within the language of the qur'an.

That is why 'Asha'ira are Muslims, I mean they are inside the fold of Islam (alhamdulillah), because their ta'wil is based on some kind of proof, although it was incorrect to choose another meaning other than the literal one (general meaning not detailed one = kayfiyyah), because Salaf didn't do that, they believed in it like it came with no ta'wil at all. and without going into details of its meaning, they just believed in the general meaning.


I'm glad you agree that the literal outward meaning is not intended.

JazakAllahu khairan.


Yes, the detailed literal meaning (kayfiyyah) is not intended, but the general literal meaning is intended (the linguistic meaning with no takyif - modality).

And I hope the examples of similarity in names and difference in modality made my statment about general and detailed meaning more clear.

Um Abdullah
15-07-06, 06:01 AM
I think you will find that the original post is in reference to the Deobandi Ulema.

I have tried to provide you some explanation directly from Deobandi sources. If it is still unclear to you then I suggest you seek out a Deobandi shaikh and ask him directly.

May Allah reward you.



wa alaykum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

What I didn't understand is why the scholars at that time understood differently than the ur scholars of today.
And if it does have to do with Ibn Arabi and other sufi scholars using language that can only be comprehended by certain people, then what is the use of their books and why even come up with this "concept", that can be so confusing.
I mean "tawhid" in Quran and sunnah and the explanation of Scholars of Salaf was very clear and simple, and is enough.
Why make such complicated terms and concepts like wuhdat al-wujud, which caused some people (because of misunderstanding it -which you mentioned in ur post (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1158528&postcount=5)) to go astray and believe in kufr.

That is what is confusing to me.

Um Abdullah
15-07-06, 06:47 AM
correction: I meant the general meaning and the "details of" the meaning, not the detailed meaning.

faqir
15-07-06, 08:48 AM
:salams

Sister, I had actually typed out a point for point response but I feel this issue is best discussed in another thread dedicated to this subject - perhaps in the Muslim section of this forum.

I do find this subject interesting. Actually, I think that the difference between what you and I are saying is likely to be just an issue of semantics. I have been collecting some quotes from the Ulema regarding this issue as well - see

Fulfilling a Need of Clarifying the Creed of the Salaf and Khalaf Regarding Tafweed (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13478)

Regarding the actual subject of this thread and the categorising of Tawhid - there is no problem with that. Yes, some have misunderstood Wahdatul Wujood - they should avoid this concept - no problem.

:salams

Universal_Islam
15-07-06, 09:10 AM
Salam alaikum,

I completely believe in "Wahdat-ul-Wujud" and also "Wahdat-ul-Shuhud".
It is not something I believed just by reading books or listening to scholars. It is something that my heart was opened to it by Allah. And, I consider it the highest level of "Tawheed"

Also, I believe that this "tawheed" is the tawheed of Prophets and Awaliya'. However, since Islam and Quran addresses all level of "mind-capacities" and "personal acceptance", people who don't reach to the level of realizing that Allah is his creation, too, are also on the right track. This is Allah's mercy. At the end, he gave everything its creation. So, every person has special creation given to him by Allah guarded by unique Divine Name (The Lord) which gives him the knowledge Allah gave him since pre-existance.

the term "Wahdat-ul-Wujud" was coined later in Islamic history, but that doesn't mean that the Prophet (saaws) didn't have it. He had it as well as some of the companions, like AbuBak, Ali. AbuBakr once said: "Whenever I looked at something, I see Allah behind it". He is refering to that the reality behind the images sensed in this world is Allah and that the images are manifestation of his reality. However, we cannot comprehend that reality.

Also, "wahdat-ul-wujud" is the at the deeper meaning of Allah's Divine Name "Al-Ahad", that is, it is completely different than the Name "Al-Wahid"

Among the ancient scholars who had "ma'rifa" of Allah (and believed in wahdat-ul-wujud) are Al-Junaid, Abu Yazeed Al-Bistami, Al-Hallaj. Then, came Abdul-Qadir Al-Jilaani, then, Ibn Arabi, and many others.

Also, one cannot attain the belief in "wahdat-ul-wujud" just by reading books or listing to shyoukh. It is a gift from Allah put into one's inner sight. To reach to that level, one has to understand deeply different Islamic issues, like (1) "Al-Qadar" (Pre-destination) to a very deep level, (2) the secrets of "Kun Fa Yakoun" (BE and It is), (3) the deeper meaning of "creation", and many others.
People who believe in "Wahdat-ul-Wujud" are no longer see "cause-and-effect", "reasons",..etc. They perceive eveything as 'KUN' even their talks. They are no longer with the "creation", they are with Allah. That's why "Wahdat-ul-Wujud" remains absurb and mind-boggling to normal people or people who cannot perceive things beyond their appearance level.

And for those who restrict the meaning of Quranic verses to one meaning, they are striping the Quran from its endless oceans of knowledge. One verse (even one word or one letter) has different meanings on different layers. They are all true and consistent on that layer. Each one gets into the level of understanding according to his creation. This is Allah's mercy and wisdom.

so, no one can restrict a Quranic verse to one meaning and force others to believe in that meaning.

Salam alaikum,

Um Abdullah
15-07-06, 01:16 PM
Sister, I had actually typed out a point for point response but I feel this issue is best discussed in another thread dedicated to this subject - perhaps in the Muslim section of this forum.

Did you start one?
where is it?

Um Abdullah
16-07-06, 07:40 PM
Actually, I think that the difference between what you and I are saying is likely to be just an issue of semantics.

That is incorrect.
From your thread, that u posted the link to, and from what I know about 'Asha'ira
You ('Asha'ira) say that the "literal" meaning of the attributes is not meant, and ur scholars did ta'wil to some of the attributes.

And you say that the Salaf did tafwid of the meaning to all of the attributes of Allah 'aza wa Jal, meaning that to them it was ambiguous, and only Allah knows its meaing; and that (the salaf doing tafwid of meaning) is incorrect, because the Salaf did confirm the literal meaning (linguistic meaning) and did tafwid of al-kayfiyyah (modality), so they believed in it like it came (with its literal linguistic meaning) but did tafwid to the details of the meaning (kayfiyyah - modality).
and the proof of them confirming the literal meaning (without the details of it - the "how) is that they said, when talking about the meaning of "istawa 'ala ",: it means " 'alaa" and "irtafa'a" (rose above)
and that is confirming the literal meaning without the details, because only Allah knows the details of the how, and Allah said in the Quran (laysa kamithlihi shay' = There is nothing like unto Him).
Also, saying that the salaf did tafwid to all the attributes, means they did it to the attributes of (sight, hearing, mercy, speech, greatness ..etc.), so these attributes would be ambiguous to them?!!

Allah 'azza wa Jal has "al-asma' al-husna" (Most beautiful names), and the names would not be "husna" unless it had a meaning ... and because His names are derived from His divine attributes it means that those attributes mean what they are, meaning the literal linguistic meaning.