Why did Hazrat Umar disobey Allah(swt)?

[Fahad Hasnain]

Allah (swt) says in the Qur'an, in Sura Hujurat (49) verses 1 and 2:

[49:1] O you who believe, do not place your opinion above that of GOD and His messenger. You shall reverence GOD. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.

[49:2] O you who believe, do not raise your voices above the voice of the prophet, nor shall you shout at him as you shout at each other, lest your works become nullified while you do not perceive.

Then Sahih Bukhari says:

Volume 9, Book 92, Number 468:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

When the time of the death of the Prophet approached while there were some men in the house, and among them was 'Umar bin Al-Khatttab, the Prophet said, "Come near let me write for you a writing after which you will never go astray." 'Umar said, "The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Quran, so Allah's Book is sufficient for us." The people in the house differed and disputed. Some of them said, "Come near so that Allah's Apostle may write for you a writing after which you will not go astray," while some of them said what 'Umar said. When they made much noise and differed greatly before the Prophet, he said to them, "Go away and leave me." Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "It was a great disaster that their difference and noise prevented Allah's Apostle from writing that writing for them.

Did Umar think he knew better than Rasulullah? Is Umar authority above Prophet Muhammed(saaws)

And if we are to follow Umar, shouldn't the Qur'an today be enough for us? Why do Sunnis then use a hadith if Umar clearly said the Qur'an is enough for us?

Please lets keep this civil. No bashing..........Do it for.............cheesecake:)

[Dante Alighieri]

Well, Umar made mistakes from time to time - honest mistakes. However, subsequently afterwards, he was always corrected and understood that he made a mistake. You forget - he was human. If I recall correctly, there was a Sahaba upon fateh al-Makkah who said something to the effect that this day will be a day of bloodshed. The Prophet was displeased and even removed the flag from him. You have to remember, the companions make mistakes too, as they are human.

[Reema]

Do you casually and deliberatly misinterpret everything you come across just for the sake of having a bash or two at Sayidna Omar and the rest of the sahaba?

I find it so very unfortunate that so many translations of the Hadiths in English are poorly and badly translated and some people like Fahad hasnain here use them in such a bad fashion. Ridiculous! Fahad Hasnain, you should know better:rolleyes:

Did Umar think he knew better than Rasulullah? Is Umar authority above Prophet Muhammed(saaws)

What a stupid question, NOBODY is above the Prophet, although sometimes they conflicted-nobody was ever above him. And I seriously doubt that Omar would ever really challenege what the Prophet said ever. Again, I put your stupid question down to your own hate.

And if we are to follow Umar, shouldn't the Qur'an today be enough for us? Why do Sunnis then use a hadith if Umar clearly said the Qur'an is enough for us?

-Sigh- We live and abide according to the Qur'an and look to the sunnah as the example of the way the prophet Lived and we try our very best to follow that example but your hadith neither indicates that Omar said lets ignore the Prophet or that hes teachings dont matter or anything that your trying your best to accuse Sayidna Omar of. I do have the hadith in Arabic and its amazing how the scholar in question provided an excellent honest opinion on this specific hadith and you go make up some trash out of nothing. I wont even bother with it, once you hate, you will always hate and nothing can or will ever change that.

Please lets keep this civil. No bashing..........Do it for.............cheesecake

You can be quite pathetic sometimes. If you want to have a one sided conversation, go back to shia chat, if you want an intelligent conversation, we can have that too without the bashing if necessary.

The Holy Prophet's*statement was:"As regards my Companions, fear Allah, fear Allah. Don't make them the target of reproach after me. So, whoever loves them, he would love them on account of his love for me, and whoever shows enmity towards them would do so on account of his being an enemy to me."

Its amazing that this hadith is also in most shia books, The Prophet said: ''Love of them (my Household) is a sign of faith, and enmity towards them is a sign of unbelief. Whosoever loves them, loves God and His Messenger. And whosoever harbours enmity towards them is enemy of God and His Messenger." See: M. R. Muzaffar, The Faith of Shi'i Islam, p. 36.

Perhaps you want to learn from your own ilk first about 'shi'i love' for the house of the Prophet before you come to debate about sayidna Omar or any sahaba next time.

As regards the justness of the holy Companions' group, Imam Abu Zar'ah Razi writes: "When you notice someone is detracting people, from anyone of the Holy Prophet's* Companions, take it for granted that he is a zindiq (the criminal dissident); for the messenger is true, the Quran is true, and whatever the messenger has brought is true, and these facts were narrated to us by the holy Companions. But these criminal dissidents want to demolish our witnesses in order to falsify the Book and the Sunnah. Hence they are the more demolished (themselves).” (Fath al-Mughith, p.375).

Shocking.

[-Shamil-]

Do you casually and deliberatly misinterpret everything you come across just for the sake of having a bash or two at Sayidna Omar and the rest of the sahaba?

Why do ya expect from a little Shia:rolleyes:

[Fahad Hasnain]

Ok, the whole point of this topic is to get the Sunni Point of view on this issue. Would you rather have me accept the Shia view without getting the opinion of Sunnis? Isn't it better that i ask the Sunni point of view before i reach a conclusion?

This is not my work, i got this off another website & posted it here hoping to get clarification.

So i don't see why we have to resort to name calling, its all good though...i'ma dance to that:hidban:

[MMS]

would the prophet saw choose to die if the message was not complete? :rolleyes:

[Fahad Hasnain]

would the prophet saw choose to die if the message was not complete? :rolleyes:

ummm...i don't think Prophet Muhammed(saaws) had control over his death. That would be attributed to Allah All Mighty.

[MMS]

ummm...i don't think Prophet Muhammed(saaws) had control over his death. That would be attributed to Allah All Mighty.
Narrated 'Aisha: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "No prophet gets sick but he is given the choice to select either this world or the Hereafter." 'Aisha added: During his fatal illness, his voice became very husky and I heard him saying: "In the company of those whom is the Grace of Allah, of the prophets, the Siddiqin (those followers of the prophets who were first and foremost to believe in them), the martyrs and the pious.' (4.69) And from this I came to know that he has been given the option. (shahih bukhari Book 60, Hadith 110)

A'isha reported: I heard that never a prophet dies until he is given an option to opt the life of (this) world or that of the Hereafter. She further said: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) say in his last illness in which he' died. I heard him saying in gruffness of the voice: Along with those persons upon whom Allah bestowed favours from amongst the Apostles, the testifiers of truth, the martyrs, the pious and goodly company are they (iv. 69). (It was on bearing these words) that I thought that he had been given choice (and he opted to live with these pious persons in the Paradise). (sahih muslim Book 31, Hadith 5988)

[Fahad Hasnain]

^Thank you for that. Now that i remember it, it seems that Prophets of Allah(swt) do have in a way an option or can request prolonging their life span.

Back to topic. Here is another one

An hadith related to the battle of Uhud

The Hadith

Sahih Bukhari Vol. 3, p. 45.

"The Muslims took to flight. I was also among them. Suddenly I saw Umar ibn Khattab among those who were running away. I asked him: 'What has happened?' He said: 'It is the will of Allah.'"

A Question
Is there a will of Allah for Umar to leave the Prophet alone in danger and run away?

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YUSUFALI: Behold! ye were climbing up the high ground, without even casting a side glance at any one, and the Messenger in your rear was calling you back. There did Allah give you one distress after another by way of requital, to teach you not to grieve for (the booty) that had escaped you and for (the ill) that had befallen you. For Allah is well aware of all that ye do.
O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

[Abdulhameed]

Was not Umar amongst those who given the glad tidings of Paradise? Where do we stand today, when he was given such rank and you still critisize him.

[Fahad Hasnain]

Was not Umar amongst those who given the glad tidings of Paradise? Where do we stand today, when he was given such rank and you still critisize him.

I'm using my argument using the Holy Qur'an & Sahi Bukhari. Its not a opinion. Its a established fact based on authentic Islamic Scripture.

I don't agree with cursing him like some Shias do, but obviously he is not above criticism.

[MMS]

^Thank you for that. Now that i remember it, it seems that Prophets of Allah(swt) do have in a way an option or can request prolonging their life span.

Back to topic. Here is another one

An hadith related to the battle of Uhud

The Hadith


A Question
Is there a will of Allah for Umar to leave the Prophet alone in danger and run away?

i have never come across that hadith before :rubeyes: and surprisingly i cant find it anywhere :confused:

i did come across this though

Narrated Al-Bara bin Azib: The Prophet appointed 'Abdullah bin Jubair as the commander of the infantry men (archers) who were fifty on the day (of the battle) of uhud. He instructed them, "Stick to your place, and don't leave it even if you see birds snatching us, till I send for you; and if you see that we have defeated the infidels and made them flee, even then you should not leave your place till I send for you." Then the infidels were defeated. By Allah, I saw the women fleeing lifting up their clothes revealing their leg-bangles and their legs. So, the companions of 'Abdullah bin Jubair said, "The booty! O people, the booty ! Your companions have become victorious, what are you waiting for now?" 'Abdullah bin Jubair said, "Have you forgotten what Allah's Apostle said to you?" They replied, "By Allah! We will go to the people (i.e. the enemy) and collect our share from the war booty." But when they went to them, they were forced to turn back defeated. At that time Allah's Apostle in their rear was calling them back. Only twelve men remained with the Prophet and the infidels martyred seventy men from us. On the day (of the battle) of Badr, the Prophet and his companions had caused the 'Pagans to lose 140 men, seventy of whom were captured and seventy were killed. Then Abu Sufyan asked thrice, "Is Muhammad present amongst these people?" The Prophet ordered his companions not to answer him. Then he asked thrice, "Is the son of Abu Quhafa present amongst these people?" He asked again thrice, "Is the son of Al-Khattab present amongst these people?" He then returned to his companions and said, "As for these (men), they have been killed." 'umar could not control himself and said (to Abu Sufyan), "You told a lie, by Allah! O enemy of Allah! All those you have mentioned are alive, and the thing which will make you unhappy is still there." Abu Sufyan said, "Our victory today is a counterbalance to yours in the battle of Badr, and in war (the victory) is always undecided and is shared in turns by the belligerents, and you will find some of your (killed) men mutilated, but I did not urge my men to do so, yet I do not feel sorry for their deed" After that he started reciting cheerfully, "O Hubal, be high! (1) On that the Prophet said (to his companions), "Why don't you answer him back?" They said, "O Allah's Apostle What shall we say?" He said, "Say, Allah is Higher and more Sublime." (Then) Abu Sufyan said, "We have the (idol) Al Uzza, and you have no Uzza." The Prophet said (to his companions), "Why don't you answer him back?" They asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What shall we say?" He said, "Says Allah is our Helper and you have no helper." (shahih bukhari Book 52, Hadith 276)

[manzbajwa]

Well, Umar made mistakes from time to time - honest mistakes. However, subsequently afterwards, he was always corrected and understood that he made a mistake. You forget - he was human. If I recall correctly, there was a Sahaba upon fateh al-Makkah who said something to the effect that this day will be a day of bloodshed. The Prophet was displeased and even removed the flag from him. You have to remember, the companions make mistakes too, as they are human.

It's true that hazrat Umer disagreed with the holy prophet on some issues, but most of the times his point of view was considered the best at the end. That's why he was the best choice of the holy prophet. For example, he was the one who opposed the holy prophet for saying prayers behind the closed doors. He suggested that if saying prayers is right, then why should it be done behind the closed doors. It was only after that Muslims started saying prayers openly and boldly. Another example is that 1/5th of the spoils of wars which holy prophet recieved was kept with Hazrat Fatima as an amanat. This money was in fact for the common benefit of the Muslims. Some people wanted Hazrat Fatima to keep that as her personal property after the demise of holy prophet. Khalifa Umer took a strong note of this and took all that property in the common custody of the newly formed Muslim state. Shias tried to make an issue out of that by saying that Hazrat Umer disobeyed the holy prophet like this. In fact he didn't disobey the holy prophet. It were the shias who wanted hazrat Fatima to violate the principles of Islam and to keep the amanat of Muslims as her property.

[Fahad Hasnain]

Me personally, this seems like a contridiction. Sunnis hold the Sahabas in high regard & this contridicts with their beliefs.

There also a few more relating to Umar & Muwayia. But i think i made my point.

The Prophet(saaws) did say that some will stray from the path after he dies & its apparant many notable Muslims made some "mistakes" after his death in relation to the Shariah.

Me personally, i still think its wrong to curse them. but they are not above critisicm. I personally put Hazrat Ali & Imam Hassan, Hussain on a higher pleateu.
But i am not convinced on the divinity of the 12 Imams or the Shia Potrayal of Imam Mehdi(seems very inaccurate)
There is also the case of the Shia Hadith being alot more fabricated than their Sunni Hadith......so its kinda hard to institutionalize my beliefs on that.

I dunno guys. I don't consider myself Sunni, and now i don't consider myself Shia either.....somebody reference me to a good book or something.

[MalikOne™]

Me personally, i still think its wrong to curse them. but they are not above critisicm.

Idiot.

None of them should be mentioned in a bad manner nor are they to be blamed for anything. Rather, we should mention thier good deeds, thier virtues and thier praiseworthy lives and are silent about anything else. It has been reported that Allah's Messenger (saw)"When my companions are mentioned hold back" (Al-Tirmidhi)


Ibn Abbas (ra) said "I exhort you to fear Allah, to stay away from astrology because it is inviation to foretelling, to beware of mentioning any of the companions of Allahs messenger (saw) except in good , otherwise Allah will throw you headlong into Jahannam for Allah has made the religion triumph through them"

[tux08902]

I hven't read everything, but the main issue here is that Umar (R.A.) was human like all of use here. I was told by my friend that even the Prophet (PBUH) made one mistake in his lifetime.

You also have to consider the fact that the Sahabahs were part of the first generation of Muslims. They asked the Propeht (PBUH) about everything, they had alot more learning to do where as many of the Islamic values are just understood nowadays because they are incorporate into home values or culture.

Sunnis, including myself, supplement the Quran with the Prophet's life including the Hadith because his life is the example for the ideal life. That's is the main reason. By neglecting to refer to the Prophet's life, you are nullifying the Sharia and a host of other Islamic elements.

[mohabdul]

It is truly amazing how shias are so obsessed with critisizing and insulting the sahabis, specially, abu bakr, omar, othman, muawia, aisha, etc. on one side and so obsessed on the other side of highly praising ahli bayt to the extend of almost worshipping them. It seems that this has become the focal point of their belief. Per se their "shahadah". In almost all the shia forums and discussions what stands out are these two things: lets insult the sahabas and lets praise the ahli bayt. It seems that they have completely lost their common sense and not realizing that the sahabis just like the prophets who also made mistakes were just humans. We are all living on this earth because of Adam's (as) mistake. Do we hold a grudge towards him? Absolutely no! Why not? Life is too short and we are all given a chance to still enter jannah if we wish. Shias, wake up and smell the coffee. Stop getting emotional with the deen and use your common sense. If the sahabis were that evil, why did Allah (swt) allow His last and beloved Prophet (saw) to be surrounded by such evil people? Why did He (swt) allow His beloved Prophet (saw) to marry Aisha (ra) whom the shias love to use as a punching bag and also Habsa (ra)? By the way, Aisha (ra) is number 4 in narrated hadiths of the Prophet (saw). Many of her hadiths are used in fiqh issues.

The truth of the matter is with all their human faults, the sahabis were still the best of human (aside from the prophets) in all matters, worldly and akhirah. And thats why Allah (swt) who is All-Knowing chose them to assist His final Messenger Mohammad (saw) and later gave them the ability to spread His deen from one corner of the earth to the other in a short period. By the way ironically it was Ameer Omar Faruq (ra) who was credited in bringing Islam to Zoroastian Persian empire where today you find the shias concetrated. Shouldn't the shias be thanking and praising Omar (ra) instead. How foolish!!

[Fahad Hasnain]

^You have a point. But their main reason for this is because they feel they were unfit for Caliphate because of these shortcomings. I personally don't care as much for something that took place 1400 years ago..Focus on the now.

[MalikOne™]

^You have a point. But their main reason for this is because they feel they were unfit for Caliphate because of these shortcomings. I personally don't care as much for something that took place 1400 years ago..Focus on the now.

Bro let me put it 2 u this way yer theres so much doubt,bidah and fitnah associated with the Shia doctrine of Islam. So why dont u let go of all of that and purely base your Aqeedah on the Quran and Authentic Sunnah of Rasoolullah :saw: that way you cannot go wrong.

[neelu]

The most serious consequence of casting doubt on the characters of several of the Sahaba (ra) is that the Sahaba (ra) would have played a key role in the transmission not just of ahadith, but also of transmitting the Quran and it's compilation in book form as we see it today. Imam Bukhari did not trust the hadith narration of someone who showed deceit even to a horse and yet it's commonplace among Shias to propagate casting doubt on the character of Sahaba (ra). What's your view on the Quran we have today?

[Fahad Hasnain]

Bro let me put it 2 u this way yer theres so much doubt,bidah and fitnah associated with the Shia doctrine of Islam. So why dont u let go of all of that and purely base your Aqeedah on the Quran and Authentic Sunnah of Rasoolullah :saw: that way you cannot go wrong.

I'm learning man. There are some things that make sense to me in Shia Islam & Some in Sunni. But i'm still undecided. I have alot of research ahead of me, but i assure everybody that i am extremely unbiased, and my only concern is the truth.

Just pray for me that Allah(swt) guides me to true Islam.

The most serious consequence of casting doubt on the characters of several of the Sahaba (ra) is that the Sahaba (ra) would have played a key role in the transmission not just of ahadith, but also of transmitting the Quran and it's compilation in book form as we see it today. Imam Bukhari did not trust the hadith narration of someone who showed deceit even to a horse and yet it's commonplace among Shias to propagate casting doubt on the character of Sahaba (ra). What's your view on the Quran we have today?

My view on the Qur'an is that it is perfect. It is the infallible word of Allah(swt) that contains ZERO errors, ZERO contridictions. it is perfect. 95% of Shias also hold this belief. Its a misconception when people say that Shias believe that the Qur'an is incomplelte.

[Te'oma]

ummm...i don't think Prophet Muhammed(saaws) had control over his death. That would be attributed to Allah All Mighty.

Allow me to rephrase...Do you think Allah would have allowed The prophet to die before the message was complete? It was prophesied that the Qu'ran would be The definitive text of allah's message to humanity in it's entirety. The prophet would not have passed to his rest until the job was complete

[BengaliMuslim]

I'm learning man. There are some things that make sense to me in Shia Islam & Some in Sunni. But i'm still undecided. I have alot of research ahead of me, but i assure everybody that i am extremely unbiased, and my only concern is the truth.

there is not much to learn and to do a lot of research. while u discuss any deed of umar ra
always remember that many of the sahabas were present at that time. did any one of them made those accusations which the "so called shias" make today? surely they had much better understanding of islam then u and me. most importantly, ali ra himself was present and what was his attitude towards the senior sahabas like abu bakr ra and umar ra? obviously it was not like todays "so called shias". rather he gave bayah to the previous khalifs. and when a man like ali ra gave bayah surely he gave bayah from his heart.

besides, what is the point in engaging in such a futile discussion while the ummah is passing such a critical time? hmm.. smells like western conspiracy to divide muslims.

[Um Abdullah]

Brothers and sisters, we should refrain from using harsh language and bad naming when discussing with others, because our purpose is "dawah" not to fight.

As for the first hadith Fahad mentioned:
Then Sahih Bukhari says:

Volume 9, Book 92, Number 468:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

When the time of the death of the Prophet approached while there were some men in the house, and among them was 'Umar bin Al-Khatttab, the Prophet said, "Come near let me write for you a writing after which you will never go astray." 'Umar said, "The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Quran, so Allah's Book is sufficient for us." The people in the house differed and disputed. Some of them said, "Come near so that Allah's Apostle may write for you a writing after which you will not go astray," while some of them said what 'Umar said. When they made much noise and differed greatly before the Prophet, he said to them, "Go away and leave me." Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "It was a great disaster that their difference and noise prevented Allah's Apostle from writing that writing for them.


Umar radiyallahu a'nhu said (The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Quran, so Allah's Book is sufficient for us.) because he had sympathy and affection for the Prophet (in that state of illness) and writting a book would take quite a bit of time. And the most correct was to obey the Prophet but Umar (ra) and others thought that it was not obligatory (that he write a book), and they hated to burden the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam while he is in that state of illness, and they remembered Allah's saying -translation of the meaning- (We have neglected nothing in the Book) [6:38] (And We have sent down to you the Book (the Qur'an) as an exposition of everything) [16:89], and another group saw that he it should be written because it is obediance to the Prophet and it will have more clearification. And the Prophet ordering them to go away proves that his command was for "ikhtiyar", choosing (not an obligation). And that is why the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) lived a few more days and didn't repeat the command again. And if it was obligatory he wouldn't have let it go just because they differed. (from Fath al-Bari)
You can check the explanation in Fath al-Bari of Ibn Hajar rahimahu Allah for more explanation.


Also, you should know that the revelation came a few times in favor of Umar's opinion, like the issue of Hijab and the captives of Badr and a third incident I don't remember.

So that should show you the status of Umar radiyallahu anhu... and like our brothers and sisters said, the Sahaba are humans and make mistakes... including Ali and his sons (radiyallahu anhum), they are also human beings and make mistakes... no human is free from error except the Prophets when it comes to delivering the message.

and on the issue of critisism, we should look at ourselves before critisizing the most beloved people to the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa-sallam), we are not even close to their status, so what right do we have to critisize them?

[Um Abdullah]

Sahih Bukhari Vol. 3, p. 45.

"The Muslims took to flight. I was also among them. Suddenly I saw Umar ibn Khattab among those who were running away. I asked him: 'What has happened?' He said: 'It is the will of Allah.'"

A Question
Is there a will of Allah for Umar to leave the Prophet alone in danger and run away?


Where did you get that from ?

I searched the Arabic text and found the hadith to be the one in the battle of Hunain, not Uhud.
And this is the translation of that hadith:

(Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 370:
Narrated Abu Qatada:
We set out in the company of Allah's Apostle on the day (of the battle) of Hunain. When we faced the enemy, the Muslims retreated and I saw a pagan throwing himself over a Muslim. I turned around and came upon him from behind and hit him on the shoulder with the sword He (i.e. the pagan) came towards me and seized me so violently that I felt as if it were death itself, but death overtook him and he released me. I followed 'Umar bin Al Khattab and asked (him), "What is wrong with the people (fleeing)?" He replied, "This is the Will of Allah," After the people returned, the Prophet sat and said, "Anyone who has killed an enemy and has a proof of that, will posses his spoils." I got up and said, "Who will be a witness for me?" and then sat down. The Prophet again said, "Anyone who has killed an enemy and has proof of that, will possess his spoils." I (again) got up and said, "Who will be a witness for me?" and sat down. Then the Prophet said the same for the third time. I again got up, and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Qatada! What is your story?" Then I narrated the whole story to him. A man (got up and) said, "O Allah's Apostle! He is speaking the truth, and the spoils of the killed man are with me. So please compensate him on my behalf." On that Abu Bakr As-Siddiq said, "No, by Allah, he (i.e. Allah's Apostle ) will not agree to give you the spoils gained by one of Allah's Lions who fights on the behalf of Allah and His Apostle." The Prophet said, "Abu Bakr has spoken the truth." So, Allah's Apostle gave the spoils to me. I sold that armor (i.e. the spoils) and with its price I bought a garden at Bani Salima, and this was my first property which I gained after my conversion to Islam.
)

Just pray for me that Allah(swt) guides me to true Islam.

May Allah guide us and you to the straight path.

[Abu Mus'ab]

The Lies And Kufr Of The Shias Are Just Never Ending.

[Debater]

Before replying to shias' slander upon Saiyidina 'Umar Farooq radhiyAllahu 'anhu, I would first paste the Fatwa of Imam Malik with regard to Shia Rafidha, upon this fatwa the whole Ummah is united:

Imam Malik: Once when asked about the Raafidi Shia, Imam Malik said; "Do not speak to them or narrate from them, for surely they are liars." During one of Imam Malik's classes, it was mentioned that the raafidi Shia curse the sahaba. Imam Malik recited the verse, "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them." (48:29) He then said, "Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahâbah (http://allaahuakbar.net/sahabah/index.htm) are mentioned is the one about whom the verse speaks." (Tafseer al-Qurtubi)

Now commenting upon the slander and lies of this Rafidhi, I would start with counter reply that
at the time of Treaty of Hudaybiyah, Kuffar of Makkah objected upon the signature of Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam at the end of agreement which was 'Muhammad Rasoolullah'. They (Kuffar) said that that was the core issue between them and Muslims as they didn't believe that Muhammad was Rasool of Allah.
Rasoolullah sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam commanded Saiyidina 'Ali bin Abi Talib radhiyAllahu 'anhu to erase the word 'Rasoolullah' from the signature.

'Ali radhiyAllahu 'anhu refused to do so.

Why?

Why don't these Blind Rafidha read this Sahih Narration from Sahih Books of our Hadith?
Why don't these Enemies of Allah condemn or criticise Imam 'Ali because of this narration?

If 'Umar disobeyed Rasoolullah when the Rasool was in his death bed then what 'Ali did at the time of Hudaybiyah?

[Debater]

ummm...i don't think Prophet Muhammed(saaws) had control over his death. That would be attributed to Allah All Mighty.
Funny!
The Prophet didn't have control over his death but their Super Natural Imams have this control.
Am I wrong?

[Debater]

Back to topic. Here is another one

An hadith related to the battle of Uhud

The Hadith

Sahih Bukhari Vol. 3, p. 45.

"The Muslims took to flight. I was also among them. Suddenly I saw Umar ibn Khattab among those who were running away. I asked him: 'What has happened?' He said: 'It is the will of Allah.'"

A Question
Is there a will of Allah for Umar to leave the Prophet alone in danger and run away?
Ya Jahil Shia!!!

Jahl (ignorance) is certainly the Pride of your satanic faith; the above mentioned narration is with regard to Hunayn and not Uhud, open your eyes and don't do excessive maatam, it affects your head badly.
Then I would ask this Rafidhi to prove that Imam 'Ali was not among them who were fleeing in Hunayn, using the same narrations of Bukhari or Muslim.

[FollowerOfMuhammad]

Mr. Rafdhi , how many times did ur mother do muta before u were born and how much did she get for it ?

[Fahad Hasnain]

I'm feeling the love in this room.:up:

[Umm Layth]

I have learnt a great deal from this discussion, i am sure it being in 'Learn about Islam' will give Muslims as well as non-Muslims a thorough understanding of Islam and Muslims.

:rolleyes:

[Fahad Hasnain]

^Ummm...if you have a problem, report to the mods homie. I dont know why everybody is catching feelings & handing out insults, but whatever...

You guys are reppin Islam well:up:

[Debater]

The most serious consequence of casting doubt on the characters of several of the Sahaba (ra) is that the Sahaba (ra) would have played a key role in the transmission not just of ahadith, but also of transmitting the Quran and it's compilation in book form as we see it today. Imam Bukhari did not trust the hadith narration of someone who showed deceit even to a horse and yet it's commonplace among Shias to propagate casting doubt on the character of Sahaba (ra). What's your view on the Quran we have today?
Well, almost all Early Predecessors of shi'ism believe that Quran is fabricated due to their Hatred of Sahabah, today's shias can't admit this so they do Taqiyyah, saying they believe that Quran is perfect but they don't call their those Ayatullas Kafir who believed that Quran is Fabricated.
What does this mean?

[Debater]

^Ummm...if you have a problem, report to the mods homie. I dont know why everybody is catching feelings & handing out insults, but whatever...

You guys are reppin Islam well:up:
If Enemies of Islam slander the transmission chain of Quran (Companions of Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam), we must retaliate to them.

Anyways, answer to my questions.

[Fahad Hasnain]

I ask i simple question from Sunni Hadith books. There is on reason to get all emotional about it. Its not the end of the world. I saw this on another website & posted it here to get responses, not insluts & attacks.

Amazing man. This forum is just Wow!... Zionists & Muslim Extremists.....LOL, all in one forum

[Um Abdullah]

This is really terrible

the guy is asking questions, and asked for guidance
and you start insulting him?
Even if he is shi'a, doesn't mean we curse him, I mean what benefit will we get from that?
our goal is to do dawah, to call people to the right path not insult them and turn them away from it !

This is very bad, it is not from the akhlaq (manners) of a Muslim, and it definitly does not serve "dawah".

May Allah guide us all, and grant us good manners.

[Um Abdullah]

sorry.. made a mistake
This post is a repeat

[Debater]

Sister you don't know these shias, they are the most cunning and deceptive people on earth. They do taqiyyah, in all forums most of them claim that they are asking questions to learn and being sincere and they do hidden tabarra upon Sahabah. For example read the post number 9 on page 1 of this thread, he is claiming that Umar ran away from the battle field. This is in fact the shia belief that Abu Bakr, Umar and 'Uthman ran away from the battle of Uhud and he is simply trying to prove that in this thread that Umar disobeyed Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam and he betrayed him as well.

You probably don't have come across with them frequently, I am so used to of their attacks, I know most of their tactics to defame Sahabah. Visit their forum www.shiachat.com (http://www.shiachat.com) and see what they are, from your own eyes. Unfortunately, there are some forums where they spread their batil beliefs against Sahabah and simple Muslims get trapped by them.
As for our being offensive is a natural reaction to their slandering our 2nd Khalifah that he was disobedient to the Prophet and he ran away from the battle field.
Don't forget he is a shia.

[Debater]

Amazing man. This forum is just Wow!... Zionists & Muslim Extremists.....LOL, all in one forum
Well, we are Extremist Muslims in your eyes and what you are?
Zionist?

[Debater]

For example, go to this thread of mine and see how much they insult Ummul Mumineen 'Aishah Siddiqah radhiyAllahu 'anhu:

(from their own forum shiachat)

http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52102

[Um Abdullah]

Sister you don't know these shias, they are the most cunning and deceptive people on earth. They do taqiyyah, in all forums most of them claim that they are asking questions to learn and being sincere

Brother I know they do tuqyah a lot, but we can't generalize.
We give the brother the benefit of the doubt.. I mean it won't hurt us if we clearfied the issue to him without cursing.
We are not going to benefit from cursing him, actually it might hurt us, because if this particular person is really looking for the truth (and Allah only knows his intentions) then we would be turning him away and that won't look good in our book of deeds !

[Fahad Hasnain]

Well, we are Extremist Muslims in your eyes and what you are?
Zionist?


No, you're not a extremist Muslim.....Just a extremist..You've yet to display anything Islamic..but whatever man, i'm gonna start avoiding this forum. People start crying & insulting for no reason whatsoever... You guys need to grow up.


I come here to ask questions & clarifications from Sunnis & all i get is insults & blalant hate. Its ridiculous. What, you guys expect to sit there & co-sign each other?

Have fun with your Zionist friends.:up:

[Um Abdullah]

For example, go to this thread of mine and see how much they insult Ummul Mumineen 'Aishah Siddiqah radhiyAllahu 'anhu:

(from their own forum shiachat)

http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=52102



Yah,
I heard that "shubha" before.
That is why I don't debate with shi'a
because they bring many sick "shubhas"
and they need someone who has good knowledge of deen to debate with them.
I hate to debate with them, it causes me distress and makes me feel sick.

Note; No offense Fahad, I am talking about some shi'a not all.

[Fahad Hasnain]

Mr. Rafdhi , how many times did ur mother do muta before u were born and how much did she get for it ?

Just look at this^. I mean you call yourself follwerofMuhamemd & then go on to insult my mother? Which Muhammed are you following?

Unbelievable man, just unbelievable.

[Fahad Hasnain]

For example, go to this thread of mine and see how much they insult Ummul Mumineen 'Aishah Siddiqah radhiyAllahu 'anhu:

(from their own forum shiachat)

http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52102

Oh yea this happens to be my post from that thread.

I agree with tefi92. These sort of conversations lead nowhere. If you are a Shia, then just let it be known that you consider the Ahl ul Bayt superior to the Sahabas. And provide evidence by showing what sort of people the Imams were. Showing the mistakes of the Sahabas & the wives of Prophet Muhammed(saaws) doesnt accomplish anything except further tension between Sunni & Shias.

[Debater]

I agree with you sister, Umm 'Abdullah, would try to be careful next time inshaAllah.

And Fahad, if Follower used offensive language for you then this is nothing compared to the filthy language shias use for the Mothers of Believers and Companions of Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam. I agree, Follower shouldn't have used this language but all he did was a reaction to what shias do on almost all forums i.e hurting our religious sentiments by calling our Religious Figures names.

Would you like me to show you posts of shia members from shiachat where they use the most Indecent Language than brother Follower or any sunni can use?

Tell me, if you NEVER read replies of Sunnis on your shiachat regarding this issue which you imply disobedience of 'Umar radhiyAllahu 'anhu towards Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam?

Even if I have realised my mistake that I became harsh when addressing you but I still have doubt that you asked this question with sincerity.

[Abu Mus'ab]

Just look at this^. I mean you call yourself follwerofMuhamemd & then go on to insult my mother? Which Muhammed are you following?

Unbelievable man, just unbelievable.

How Can your Mother be Above Critism? But You Are Quick To Slander The Sahabah Radiallahu Ta'aala Anhum Ajmaeen And Say They Are Not Above Critism.

[Fahad Hasnain]

How Can your Mother be Above Critism? But You Are Quick To Slander The Sahabah Radiallahu Ta'aala Anhum Ajmaeen And Say They Are Not Above Critism.

Look, stop following me around threads alright. I'm tired of arguing with little kids.


PLEASE STOP QOUTING ME & RESPONDING TO ME!

[Abu Mus'ab]

Look, stop following me around threads alright. I'm tired of arguing with little kids.


PLEASE STOP QOUTING ME & RESPONDING TO ME!

I'm Not Following you Around,I Can Go Wherever I please.

And Who You Calling "A Little Kid" You've Only Been Born In 1984 So Dont Tell Me About Little Kids.

And If You Dont Want To Read My Posts Then Put me On Your "Ignore List" Its As Simple As That.

And The Only Reason You're Trying To Run Away Now Is Because You Know That You Cant Answer me.

[Debater]

They simply don't have any answer to our questions, brother, because they are the Followers of Falsehood. And just to add that, they don't regard Sahabah beyond criticism then they should start with their Imams and criticise them at the first place because we should also have right to expect shias to criticise their Infallibles besides Sahabah.

[Al-Irhaab]

Brother I know they do tuqyah a lot, but we can't generalize.
We give the brother the benefit of the doubt.. I mean it won't hurt us if we clearfied the issue to him without cursing.
We are not going to benefit from cursing him, actually it might hurt us, because if this particular person is really looking for the truth (and Allah only knows his intentions) then we would be turning him away and that won't look good in our book of deeds !

ukhti with all due respect you cannot talk about giving someone the benefit of the doubt when you have been on the forum for such a little ammount of time... this raafidah kaafir has said and posted many things about the sahaba (Ra) and the mujahideen (ha).... all raafidah shiahs are kaafir this person is not looking for the truth his posts and his loyalty to kuffar have proven this beyond doubt...

[Fahad Hasnain]

Seriously, you guys love to come here & have a circle jerk fest & co-sign each other...why don't you man up & take this to Shia Forums & declare them Kaffir, if you are so confident. It's your own insecurity that leads to these childish insulsts.

Like i said, cowards.

[Abu Mus'ab]

Seriously, you guys love to come here & have a circle jerk fest & co-sign each other...why don't you man up & take this to Shia Forums & declare them Kaffir, if you are so confident. It's your own insecurity that leads to these childish insulsts.

Like i said, cowards.

I Dont Mind,I Fear No Shia.

Give Me A Link To One Of Your Shia Forums,I'll Sign Up There And Tell Them Exactly What I Feel About Them.

[FollowerOfMuhammad]

Just look at this^. I mean you call yourself follwerofMuhamemd & then go on to insult my mother? Which Muhammed are you following?

Unbelievable man, just unbelievable.


Wowwwwww lollllzzzzzz

Unbelievable man unbelievable.

According to shias Muta is a great deed and Here we have a shia , who believes that saying his mother did muta is an insult to his mother. If u believe muta is similar to nikah then whats the insult ?????

But as we all know Muta is prostitution and hence u feel I insulted ur mother.
But for this view i think Khomeini would skin you alive. He is proud of Muta.

But anyway , I still want to know how many times ur parents did Muta before u were born :up:

[GothiKa]

ukhti with all due respect you cannot talk about giving someone the benefit of the doubt when you have been on the forum for such a little ammount of time... this raafidah kaafir has said and posted many things about the sahaba (Ra) and the mujahideen (ha).... all raafidah shiahs are kaafir this person is not looking for the truth his posts and his loyalty to kuffar have proven this beyond doubt...

so that justifies some of the member's insults hurled at him, e.g implicitly comparing his mother to a prostitute?

if it is justified, prove it from the Quran and sunnah to abuse others

[FollowerOfMuhammad]

Seriously, you guys love to come here & have a circle jerk fest & co-sign each other...why don't you man up & take this to Shia Forums & declare them Kaffir, if you are so confident. It's your own insecurity that leads to these childish insulsts.

Like i said, cowards.

This munafiq merely wants to increasethe membership of his filthy forums so that they gain more ads n promos. Y dont those filthy organisms sign up here instead.

Ask this mughrab to make those rafdhis join here if he is really sure that he is right.

We are not going to join in ur filthy forums ALhamdhuLiALLAh, u make ur friends join this forum and debate with us.

[Abu Mus'ab]

so that justifies some of the member's insults hurled at him, e.g implicitly comparing his mother to a prostitute?

if it is justified, prove it from the Quran and sunnah to abuse others

A Simple Question GothiKa,Do Shias Allow Mutah And Do They Think Of It As A Great Deed?

All I Want Is For You To Answer With Yes Or No.

[FollowerOfMuhammad]

so that justifies some of the member's insults hurled at him, e.g implicitly comparing his mother to a prostitute?

if it is justified, prove it from the Quran and sunnah to abuse others


1. A prostitute is billion times better than a murtad or a kaffir.

In Quran ALLAh calls all those who slander against Ummul Mumineen Aisha Siddiqua radhiallahu taa'la anha as disbelievers.

A prostitute may gain forgiveness but a disbeliever will not.

So we have actually elevated his parents status not abused them by giving them a lesser insult than what they actually deserve. Infact calling shias as whores and pimps is actually praising them andinsulting whores and pimps.

U may not agre with what I say, but please read the following article as well >>>

2. Shias are proud of Muta to such an extent that they believe its wajib upon them. In iraq since fall of saddam , hotels have sprung up offering 15 min marriages.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-05-04-pleasure-marriage_x.htm
BAGHDAD — In the days when it could land him in jail, Rahim Al-Zaidi would whisper details of his muta'a only to his closest confidants and the occasional cousin. Never his wife.
The renaissance of the pleasure marriage coincides with a revival of other Shiite traditions long suppressed by the former regime. Interest in Shiite customs has accelerated since Shiite parties swept Jan. 30 elections to become the biggest bloc in the new National Assembly.

"Under Saddam, we were very scared," says Al-Zaidi, 39, a lawyer from Sadr City, a sprawling Shiite neighborhood in eastern Baghdad. "They would punish people. Now, all my friends are doing it."

A turbaned Shiite cleric who issues wedding permits from a street-side counter in Sadr City says he encourages permanent marriages but gives the OK for pleasure marriages when there are "special reasons." The cleric, Sayid Kareem As-Sayid Abdullah Al-Mousawi, says he grants licenses for muta'a in cases where the woman is widowed or divorced, or for single women who have approval from their fathers.

Shiites, Sunnis split

"Clerics who blessed them were hounded by security during the previous regime," he says. "I can assure you, these (muta'a) marriages are flourishing in (Shiite cities) Najaf, Karbala and Kadhamiya in an amazing way. There are a lot of hotels (patronized) by Shiites who approve of such marriages."

Shiites and Sunnis both permit men to take more than one permanent wife, but the rival branches of Islam are deeply split over pleasure marriages.

Most Shiite scholars today consider it halal, or religiously legal. Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the highest religious authority in Shiite Islam, sets conditions and obligations for muta'a on his Web site. ("A woman with whom temporary marriage is contracted is not entitled to share the conjugal bed of her husband and does not inherit from him ...")

Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari and other Shiite lawmakers have said they want Iraq's new constitution to use the sharia, or Islamic law, as its basis. That could give muta'a formal legal protection. Sunni Arabs and Kurds, who are mainly Sunni, oppose the idea. But the practice is growing among Sunnis and Shiites alike.

Sunni scholars fear that giving official sanction to pleasure marriages — many of which are only verbal agreements between the couple — are little more than legalized prostitution that could lead to a collapse of moral values, especially among young people.

"We have reports about one-hour pleasure marriages that are flourishing among students," says Sheik Ali Al-Mashhadani, a Sunni imam at the Ibn Taimiya mosque in Baghdad. "I'm advising parents to watch their sons very carefully, particularly those who are in the colleges and universities."

Short-term marriages were considered idolatry by Saddam's ruling Baath Party in the 1970s and '80s, says Kamal Hamdul, president of the Iraqi Bar Association. Muta'a were punishable by fines or prison, he says. Couples took the practice underground, meeting in out-of-the-way apartments and hotels — and rarely telling even family members.

Pleasure marriages began to resurface after the fall of Baghdad in 2003. One reason is that Shiites, 60% of Iraq's population, have a greater ability to shape social mores than they did under Saddam, a Sunni Arab whose top aides were also Sunnis.

Payments to women vary

A woman agreeing to a pleasure marriage that involves a one-time encounter might be able to count on about $100. For a muta'a that runs longer, she might be paid $200 a month, though the amounts vary widely and can depend on whether she has children.

Zeinab Ahmed, 31, lost her husband in a car accident five years ago. She says she has considered entering into a muta'a contract with a man, but the stigma attached has kept her from doing so.

"All my friends who have done this have told me they got married in this way just to meet their sexual desires," Ahmed says, "but later on they started to love that man, and he does not accept to get married permanently. ... Most of the men, at the end of the contract, they feel contempt towards the woman."

Contracts for pleasure marriage strongly favor men.

Married women can't enter a muta'a, although a married man can. Men can void the contract at any time; women don't have that option unless it's negotiated at the outset. The couple agrees not to have children. A woman who unintentionally gets pregnant can have an abortion but must then pay a fine to a cleric.

Women's rights activists are concerned. Salama Al-Khafaji, a Shiite lawmaker who supports the concept of sharia law but advocates for women's rights, calls the re-emergence of muta'a an "unhealthy phenomenon."

With the right intentions, she says, muta'a can serve the noble purpose of helping divorced and widowed women. But too many men are using temporary marriages to exploit women for sex, she says. Her solution is to reinforce the importance of permanent marriages with work programs for newlywed couples and education campaigns.

"A woman who practices muta'a does not usually feel comfortable about it," Al-Khafaji says. "People these days are creating excuses to practice these acts."

Al-Mousawi, the Shiite cleric, says the practice of pleasure marriages is open to abuse and misinterpretation. He says he is particularly troubled by kiss-and-tell men. "After they've finished with the woman, they've told their friends about her beauty and given a description of her body, which is something absolutely unacceptable in Islam," he says.

Al-Zaidi, the Sadr City lawyer, says his motivations are spiritual. In 2002, he says he persuaded a Sunni widow to enter into a one-year muta'a with him, even though at first she refused.

To him, pleasure marriages are legitimate in God's eyes. They bring responsibility and formality to what would otherwise be squalid and sinful, he says. "There is a noble goal in this kind of marriage," says Al-Zaidi, still married to his first wife and has five children. "It's to eradicate moral corruption."

In the past, some muta'a contracts have been struck when permanent, legal marriages were not possible.

Ayad Muhammed Ali fell in love eight years ago with a woman who walked into his Baghdad tailor shop. She was a widow with two young sons whose husband, a member of an underground group outlawed by Saddam, had been executed by Saddam's men. The woman also was richer than Ali, so her family would never have consented to a legal marriage.

The lovers agreed to a yearlong muta'a in 1993 and have renewed their contract every year since, he says. In the decade after their muta'a, the couple never dared meet in the open. In April 2003, the month U.S. forces swept into the capital, they began meeting in public places for the first time, he says.

"I was always so afraid someone would find out and I'd go to prison," says Ali, 29. "Now, I'm not afraid. My only fear is her family."

Contributing: Mona Mahmoud

Moral of the story >>> Shiasm promotes prostitution and pimphood and their clerics endorse it as a gr8 deed. So calling them by what they actually hold valid and good is not insulting them.

[GothiKa]

A Simple Question GothiKa,Do Shias Allow Mutah And Do They Think Of It As A Great Deed?

All I Want Is For You To Answer With Yes Or No.

Yes, Shiahs allow mutha. According to their laws, it is halal.

Now, if you claim all shias are born of mutah marriages, you must back it up with evidence. How do you know Fahad's mother engaged in mutha?

I do not know anything about his mother, and neither am I concerned about his private life. I am following the Prophet's sunnah

"Part of a man's good observance of Islam is that he leaves alone what does not concern him."

"abu musab", if Fahad's mother is lawfully married, will you come out and take the 80 lashes (assuming you called his mother a prostitute)?

An acrimonious attitude is against the sunnah of the Prophet(pbuh)

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A believer does not taunt, curse, abuse or talk indecently.

I personally beilive the shia theology is absurd, but I don't resort to acting like a brat to bloster my opinions

[Universal_Islam]

Yes, Shiahs allow mutha. According to their laws, it is halal.

Now, if you claim all shias are born of mutah marriages, you must back it up with evidence. How do you know Fahad's mother engaged in mutha?

I do not know anything about his mother, and neither am I concerned about his private life. I am following the Prophet's sunnah

"Part of a man's good observance of Islam is that he leaves alone what does not concern him."

"abu musab", if Fahad's mother is lawfully married, will you come out and take the 80 lashes (assuming you called his mother a prostitute)?

An acrimonious attitude is against the sunnah of the Prophet(pbuh)

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A believer does not taunt, curse, abuse or talk indecently.

I personally beilive the shia theology is absurd, but I don't resort to acting like a brat to bloster my opinions

EXCELLENT Akhi :up: couldn't agree more

[FollowerOfMuhammad]

1. He didnt say they havent done muta either. I didnt tell that he was born out of muta, i just asked a question. Had it been a shia who asked that question, he would have happily replied back.
2. When shias them selves dont view it as prostitution, where lies the insult ??? Muta for them is just like eating and drinking in terms of commonness. its nothing new.
3. Ask him if he believes Muta is prostitution ???

4. It may not concern u , but it does concern me, because Shias abuse our
Mother Ummahatul Mumineen Aisha Siddiqua radhiallahu taa'la anha.

[FollowerOfMuhammad]

"abu musab", if Fahad's mother is lawfully married, will you come out and take the 80 lashes (assuming you called his mother a prostitute)?



1. U have misunderstood what I said, I asked him if his mother did muta to some one else before his birth , i.e. before his parents married. I had assumed that his parent are married to each other , though their is no lawful shia marriage, as Shiasm itself is against law.

2. 80 lashes, no probz a 100 lashes :zzz: , but his head in exchange for believing and propogating faith of people who abuse the ummahatul muminnen and the sahaba ridhwanullahi taa'la a laihim ajmaeen. Same rules applicable to both sides.

[FollowerOfMuhammad]

How Can your Mother be Above Critism? But You Are Quick To Slander The Sahabah Radiallahu Ta'aala Anhum Ajmaeen And Say They Are Not Above Critism.

U r absolutely right, :up:

[Abu Mus'ab]

Yes, Shiahs allow mutha. According to their laws, it is halal.

Now, if you claim all shias are born of mutah marriages, you must back it up with evidence. How do you know Fahad's mother engaged in mutha?

I do not know anything about his mother, and neither am I concerned about his private life. I am following the Prophet's sunnah

"Part of a man's good observance of Islam is that he leaves alone what does not concern him."

"abu musab", if Fahad's mother is lawfully married, will you come out and take the 80 lashes (assuming you called his mother a prostitute)?

An acrimonious attitude is against the sunnah of the Prophet(pbuh)

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A believer does not taunt, curse, abuse or talk indecently.

I personally beilive the shia theology is absurd, but I don't resort to acting like a brat to bloster my opinions


Firstly I'd Like You To Show Me Proof Where I Called his Mother A Prostitute.

Sercondly Like "FollowerOfMuhammad" Said, When shias them selves dont view it as prostitution, where lies the insult ??? Muta for them is just like eating and drinking in terms of commonness. its nothing new.

Its Like Asking "Do You Fast,Do You make Salaah Etc" So I Dont See Where The Insult Is.

[Abu Mus'ab]

Seriously, you guys love to come here & have a circle jerk fest & co-sign each other...why don't you man up & take this to Shia Forums & declare them Kaffir, if you are so confident. It's your own insecurity that leads to these childish insulsts.

Like i said, cowards.

I'll See you There,Thats If They Even Activate My Account,Shia Cowards.

[Al-Irhaab]

Yes, Shiahs allow mutha. According to their laws, it is halal.

Now, if you claim all shias are born of mutah marriages, you must back it up with evidence. How do you know Fahad's mother engaged in mutha?

I do not know anything about his mother, and neither am I concerned about his private life. I am following the Prophet's sunnah

"Part of a man's good observance of Islam is that he leaves alone what does not concern him."

"abu musab", if Fahad's mother is lawfully married, will you come out and take the 80 lashes (assuming you called his mother a prostitute)?

An acrimonious attitude is against the sunnah of the Prophet(pbuh)

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A believer does not taunt, curse, abuse or talk indecently.

I personally beilive the shia theology is absurd, but I don't resort to acting like a brat to bloster my opinions


a simple question was asked... there was no insult thrown... shiahs believe mutah is halal so all that was asked is how many times did a certain shiah do mutah... if he says none then he says none whats the big deal.... :rolleyes:

why the shame... why dont you take fits at him when he seems to imply that umar (ra) is a wrongdoer or when his shiah mates seem to imply disgusting things about Aisha (ra)... so basically we cant question acts of someones mother but they can question the acts of the mother of the believers (ra)...

you know what this bs talk about unity and one ummah etc etc in relation to the raafidah shiah... there will never be unity with raafidah shiah... they are not part of this ummah... they are kaafir... they are worse then the idol worshippers and then then jews and the christians... between ahlul islam and ahlul rawaafidah there can be only war.... there will never be peace with those that insult the mothers of the believers and the companions of the prophet (saW)...

[Abu Mus'ab]

I've Just Been Browsing Their Kufr Forum And So Far I Have Not Seen One Muslim On There.

Every Single One Of Them Are Filthy Mushrik Kufaar.

Does Anyone Know How Many Times "Bugatti" Was Banned From Ummah.com?

[Abu Mus'ab]

"Fahad Hasnain" Since My Account has Not Been Accepted yet You Can Post For me Instead.

See This Thread,

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=82368&st=0

please visit ..and ..yes..VISIT THERE IN LARGE NUMBERS!!!..SAYING YA ALI MADAD!!
http://www.ummah.com/forum/

Tell Them To Come I'm Waiting.

[`asiya]

May Allah give u jannah abu musab amin

[Abu Mus'ab]

May Allah give u jannah abu musab amin

Wa Iyyaaki Ukhti.

[Reema]

You see some interesting stuff on their forums like this...

'BEING A RAFIDI TO THE OPPRESSION OF OPPRESSORS IS ABSOLUTELY BETTER THAN BEING A SUNNI WHO FOLOWS THE SUNNAH OF OPPRESSORS!!!
BEING A DEMON WHO TRUELY FOLLOWS CHRIST IS BETTER THAN THE ONE WHO FOLLOWS THE DEMON AND NAME HIMSELF "CHRISTIAN"!!!' :confused: :scratch: :wacko:

sunnah of the oppressors? now who exactly is oppressed and whose oppressing who? I dont think these people realise what they say half of the time?!! allahu alim!!

'Shiahs can be Identified Brother...in the same way a great personality can be identified...or Noor amongst Darkness...this is the similarity of we shiahs.....
After all we are the followers of 14 NOORS.....'

yeahh rigggght.

:wacko:


"Fahad Hasnain" Since My Account has Not Been Accepted yet You Can Post For me Instead.

See This Thread,

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=82368&st=0



Tell Them To Come I'm Waiting.

[Reema]

'Shi'ites turn their backs on the opulent mosques and magnificent palaces of the caliphs of Islam and turn to the lonely, mud house of Fatima.'
-Dr Ali Shari'ati (RA)

"It is not enough to say we must return to Islam...We must specify what Islam: that of Abu Zarr or that of Marwan...One is the Islam of caliphate, the palace and the rulers. The other is the Islam of the people, of the exploited, and of the poor...Which Islam do you advocate?"
-Dr Ali Shari'ati (RA)

Mmmmm...:scratch:

[Reema]

Oh dear, May Allah guide these people.

''Topic: NAMAZ not needed for a shia

Dear brother,Assalammunalaikum.It is very shameful of our local moulanas who are very ignorant and they are the main reason to confuse the young generation.In a majlis the moulana said "TO SHED TEARS FOR THE IMAM IS MORE REWARDING THAN NAMAZ.EVEN THE ZINAKAR,SHARABI AND JUWADI WILL GO TO JANNATH IF THEY CRY FOR THE IMAM.AZAZEEL(IBLEES) THE BEST NAMAZI OF THE FARISHTAS DID NOT BOWDOWN TO ADAM SO HE WAS BANISHED TO HELL.THE PANJATAN ARE MORE GREATER SO THOSE WHO BELIVE IN THEM WILLREACH JANNATH" What can you expect from the young who listen to this nonsence?''

http://www.al-khoei.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=237&PN=1

Unbelievable!! Its a good thing this person acknowledges that this is nonsense indeed!

:wacko:

[Debater]

I support Gothica's view point.

[Al-muthanaa]

Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

Attacking the sahabah by the children of mutaa and haram is infact an attack on prophet muhammad sallahu allayhe wasallam.

when you attack umar who narrated thousands of hadith then you also disprove of these hadith. Umar would sometimes disagree with prophet muhammad over an issue that has not been revealed ofr example praying over a munnafiq. Prophet Muhammd didn't want fitnah but umar said that we know these are munnafiqeen so lets not pray over them. The quranic verses were revealed backing umar's over Prophet muhammd view.

When you attack Abu bakr and Uthman and muawyah etc... you would have to attack the quran because they compiled the quran.

If you attack aisha our beloved mother and call her a prostitute and allege that she has commited zina (fornication) then this is a very dangerous attack on the prophet. cos your saying the prophet marrried a prostitute. This is implicitly saying prophet muhammd is impure cos it says in the quran: al-khabitheen lil khabithat (impure men for impure women).

Attacking the ahlul bait namely the mother of the believers is also disproving the quran. cos Allah revealed 10 verses saying aisha is innocent of zina and attacked the hypocrites for spreading this allegation.
so the shia are forced to say the quran we have to day is made up by the sahabah and we have the proper one called mushaf fatimah.

[FollowerOfMuhammad]

I have no doubts that these filthy organisms do muta becauser they slander against Ummahatul Mumineen (ridhwanullahi taa'la alaihim ajmaeen) and ALLAh's azaab has descended upon them and they lose their purity.

InshaALLAh in a few days i m going to get some details frm history, which prove that the rafdhi shias were actually in Yazid's army

[FollowerOfMuhammad]

The shias in Kashmir have a ceremony which they hold as imp as circumcission.

In it , a shia makes 3 men sit at small distances frm each other whereas his child is made to interact with each of them.

The child is made to go to the first man and say O ! Abu Bakr give me food and the man slaps very hard him in return , then to the next and say O Omar give me food and he also slaps the child and then the child is made to go to the third man and say O Uthman give me food and the man also slaps him very harshly. '

This is done to brainwash the child to hate the first 3 Caliphs of Islam right from childhood nauzubillah.

[GothiKa]

Al-Irhaab

why the shame... why dont you take fits at him when he seems to imply that umar (ra) is a wrongdoer or when his shiah mates seem to imply disgusting things about Aisha (ra)... so basically we cant question acts of someones mother but they can question the acts of the mother of the believers (ra)...


Why the shame? This is why:

Narrated on the authority of Aisha(ra)
The Prophet never used bad language neither a Fahish nor a Mutafahish. He used to say "The best amongst you are those who have the best manners and character."

A man reviled AbuBakr and the Prophet (peace be upon him) was sitting showing pleasure and smiling, but when the man went on at length and AbuBakr replied to some of what he said the Prophet (peace be upon him) became angry and got up and left. AbuBakr caught up with him and said, "Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), he was reviling me while you were sitting, but when I replied to some of what he said you became angry and got up and went away." He replied, "There was an angel with you replying to him, but when you replied to him a devil came down." He then added, "AbuBakr, there are three things all of which are true: No one is wronged and ignores it for the sake of Allah who is Great and Glorious without Allah giving him great help for it. No one begins to give intending thereby to unite ties of relationship without Allah providing him with much more because of it. And no one will begin to beg seeking thereby to gain abundance without Allah giving him still more scantiness because of it."
Ahmad transmitted it.

A man reviled Abu Bakr(ra) infront of the Prophet(pbuh), and yet, the Prophet(pbuh) did not take fits at him.

Does taking fits at someone's mother equate with what the Prophet(pbuh) said

A believer does not taunt, curse, abuse or talk indecently.
Transmitted by Tirmidhi.

Or How about

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "A good manner of conduct, deliberation and moderation are a twenty-fourth part of prophecy."

Abu musab

Firstly I'd Like You To Show Me Proof Where I Called his Mother A Prostitute


I specifically said: "(assuming you called his mother a prostitute)?"

[Abu Mus'ab]

Abu musab

I specifically said: "(assuming you called his mother a prostitute)?"



Well I Did Not,So Dont "Assume".