What was the relationship between Shaikh Abdullah Azzam and Ayman Al-Zawahiri??

[-Shamil-]

Assalam Alaikum

I was reading an interview with the son (or son-in-law - cant remember) of Shaikh Abdullah Azzam and it seems according to him there was some hostility between the two.

Something about tactics and where and how to continue the war after the Soviets leave. Also i read something along the lines that Ayman Al-zawahiri was apperantly too extreme?

I dont know too much about the situation of that period in history. Does anyone have any info about it or any links? Are the claims true? What was the actual relationship like?

[Al-Irhaab]

Assalam Alaikum

I was reading an interview with the son (or son-in-law - cant remember) of Shaikh Abdullah Azzam and it seems according to him there was some hostility between the two.

Something about tactics and where and how to continue the war after the Soviets leave. Also i read something along the lines that Ayman Al-zawahiri was apperantly too extreme?

I dont know too much about the situation of that period in history. Does anyone have any info about it or any links? Are the claims true? What was the actual relationship like?

walaikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

this is some propoganda that has been set out by the kuffar and some muslims have taken it on board that the the egyptian mujahideen in particular did not like sheikh azzams path and they even say they killed him... at the end of the day its all rubbish and kuffar trying to cause fitnah.... who did the khutbah at sheikh abdullah azzam (rh) death... sheikh ayman al zawahiri... who keeps the words and actions of sheikh abdullah azzam (rh) alive even today ... sheikh ayman al zawahiri... etc etc

[-Shamil-]

Salam Bro

Thanks for the answer , i had a feeling it would be propaganda.

The only thing that gave it a tiny bit of credence was the fact that it was the son of Shaikh Azzam who said it. I think his name is Hudhayfah Azzam - i cant see what benefits he feels he can get by trying to cause divisions and labeliing people.

Do you anything about this character?

[Al-Irhaab]

Salam Bro

Thanks for the answer , i had a feeling it would be propaganda.

The only thing that gave it a tiny bit of credence was the fact that it was the son of Shaikh Azzam who said it. I think his name is Hudhayfah Azzam - i cant see what benefits he feels he can get by trying to cause divisions and labeliing people.

Do you anything about this character?

walaikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

i respect hudayfah azzam a lot for two reasons, firstly he is the son of sheikh abdullah azzam and secondly he is well known for his support for the defence of muslim lands... however in his own mindset he is against say people like al qaeda and sheikh abu musab az zarqawi (rh) and does not like their approach of doing things, he has spoken against them a lot and i think he has let his disagreement with them cloud his judgement... he was very young when the afghan war was being waged and knows very little therefore of what was happening and the intricate details of what went on... at the end of the day sheikh abdullah azzam (rh) praised sheikh usama bin laden heavily and sheikh ayman al zawahiri is the most respected from amongst the mujahideen even more then sheikh usama bin laden...

who knows what sheikh abdullah azzams position was going to be after the war was over and what we do know is that muslims dont let differencies in policy or fiqh affect their love and brotherhood between each other...

[Marwan]

I was in Afghanistan when the rumours flew around. Members of Ikhwanul-Muslimeen (who are currently spearheading the Hamas) claimed Zawahiri & Hekmatyar were involved in the killing. Hekmatyar, because they claimed he was "jealous" of all the attention Ahmad Shah Masoud received from Azzam.

Around 10 hours later, all Ikhwanul Muslimeen members fled Pakistan & Afghanistan because there was a bounty on them. Rightfully so.

No offence, but I highly doubt Hekmatyar actually cared. He was probably worried that Azzam was wasting all his time on a loser like Masoud.

[pinky]

I was in Afghanistan when the rumours flew around. Members of Ikhwanul-Muslimeen (who are currently spearheading the Hamas) claimed Zawahiri & Hekmatyar were involved in the killing. Hekmatyar, because they claimed he was "jealous" of all the attention Ahmad Shah Masoud received from Azzam.

Around 10 hours later, all Ikhwanul Muslimeen members fled Pakistan & Afghanistan because there was a bounty on them. Rightfully so.

No offence, but I highly doubt Hekmatyar actually cared. He was probably worried that Azzam was wasting all his time on a loser like Masoud.

Oops! Can't pass up asking a question. Muslim Brotherhood is reportedly "legit" now and out of the terrorism business, marwan. I was on their website earlier today and they present themselves as squeaky clean. Are you saying that isn't true? :)

Shabbot Shalom! :) :) Wish you were going with me, marwan. You would enjoy the Oneg, I'm sure.

[Rehmat]

Very interesting observation.

Anyone who call the country established on Jewish terrorism - is a 'terrorist himself' - or 'Jew-hater'.

Did Muslim Brotherhood helped Nazis to kill poor Eiropean Jews who were not allowed to immigrate to England, the US and my country - CANADA?

[Marwan]

Also Basayev, to let you know, they claim Ayman Zawahiri is amongst the khawarij. Osama, to them, is simply a fool with alot of cash. The Taliban are fundamentalist extremists that hijack their peaceful religion. They say all this while they make alliances with the Shi'ite and have amounted to no Jihad but sending little children to blow themselves apart. They can't do it themselves, of course.

They are the khawarij of our time. People of their ilk killed Ali (k), and are described as the "dogs of hell." They seek to create disunity amongst Muslims and claim they only are following the "true" resistance. Their web-page is www.islam-online.net (http://www.islam-online.net)

Qardawi (their leader), in fact, came all the way to Afghanistan to protest the destruction of the Buddhist statues, but never came to help the people, or praise us, or assist in leading. Just to serve as an "emissary from the sane world" to us religous bigots.

Remember, they CAME to Russia and said Chechnya is not their concern. They are opportunists. They will seek your sympathy but not extend it in return. I tell you, show sympathy for their people (the Palestinians) who are being duped by their elected officials, but expect none in return. That is the way of the Muslim.

[a mu-min]

Oops! Can't pass up asking a question. Muslim Brotherhood is reportedly "legit" now and out of the terrorism business, marwan. I was on their website earlier today and they present themselves as squeaky clean. Are you saying that isn't true? :)

Shabbot Shalom! :) :) Wish you were going with me, marwan. You would enjoy the Oneg, I'm sure.

the very fact that you see them as squeaky clean makes them all dirty in the eyes of the muslims. i never liked the ikhwanis.

[pinky]

the very fact that you see them as squeaky clean makes them all dirty in the eyes of the muslims. i never liked the ikhwanis.

I did not say I saw them as "squeaky clean". I said squeaky clean is the way they present themselves on their website. :rolleyes:

Please don't attribute something to me I did not say. :)

[-Shamil-]

Also Basayev, to let you know, they claim Ayman Zawahiri is amongst the khawarij. Osama, to them, is simply a fool with alot of cash. The Taliban are fundamentalist extremists that hijack their peaceful religion. They say all this while they make alliances with the Shi'ite and have amounted to no Jihad but sending little children to blow themselves apart. They can't do it themselves, of course.

They are the khawarij of our time. People of their ilk killed Ali (k), and are described as the "dogs of hell." They seek to create disunity amongst Muslims and claim they only are following the "true" resistance. Their web-page is www.islam-online.net (http://www.islam-online.net/)

Qardawi (their leader), in fact, came all the way to Afghanistan to protest the destruction of the Buddhist statues, but never came to help the people, or praise us, or assist in leading. Just to serve as an "emissary from the sane world" to us religous bigots.

Remember, they CAME to Russia and said Chechnya is not their concern. They are opportunists. They will seek your sympathy but not extend it in return. I tell you, show sympathy for their people (the Palestinians) who are being duped by their elected officials, but expect none in return. That is the way of the Muslim.


Jazakallahkhair for that bro , I didnt know that Ikhwanul Muslimeen were involved in Afghanistan. Nor of the rumours that they spread.
It seems they still have a decnt follwing though from the Muslim populations - mainly because people seem to think theyre doing so much to protect Palestine :confused:

[Al-Mujaddidah]

Assalamu 3laykom...

If it was Hudhayfah Azzams interview with ash-sharq al-Awsat - then in the interview at no point does it say that Shaykh Shaheed Abdullah Azzam Rahimahullah had any problem with Ayman Adh-Dhawaahiri..

It was that Hudhayfah Azzam did not agree with Dhawahiri...and he described him as 'fanatic'...if I remember correctly.

[Muslim Virus]

Also Basayev, to let you know, they claim Ayman Zawahiri is amongst the khawarij. Osama, to them, is simply a fool with alot of cash. The Taliban are fundamentalist extremists that hijack their peaceful religion. They say all this while they make alliances with the Shi'ite and have amounted to no Jihad but sending little children to blow themselves apart. They can't do it themselves, of course.

They are the khawarij of our time. People of their ilk killed Ali (k), and are described as the "dogs of hell." They seek to create disunity amongst Muslims and claim they only are following the "true" resistance. Their web-page is www.islam-online.net (http://www.islam-online.net)

Qardawi (their leader), in fact, came all the way to Afghanistan to protest the destruction of the Buddhist statues, but never came to help the people, or praise us, or assist in leading. Just to serve as an "emissary from the sane world" to us religous bigots.

Remember, they CAME to Russia and said Chechnya is not their concern. They are opportunists. They will seek your sympathy but not extend it in return. I tell you, show sympathy for their people (the Palestinians) who are being duped by their elected officials, but expect none in return. That is the way of the Muslim.


sorry im a little slow...

but ur referring to someone in ur post as "they" ....

who are u referring to in ur above post when u say "they".???

[-Shamil-]

"They" is Ikhwanul-Muslimeen in alll their forms including Hamas.

[Marwan]

Not all. Sayyid Qutb & Hasan al-Bana3a were the leading gems of our time.

Nor Sheikh Ahmed Yasin & Ahmed Rantisi. They were in the crux of Jihad, and are martyrs, Insha'allah.

It's just that, after the aforementioned died, these new people have taken over. They've always existed, it's just that they're showing more prominence.

Trust me. I know them more than I know my own mother. Their speech is poison. Under the guise of unity, they lash out against the Jihad in other countries and praise only their own.

الَّذِينَ يَتَرَبَّصُونَ بِكُمْ فَإِن كَانَ لَكُمْ فَتْحٌ مِّنَ اللّهِ قَالُواْ أَلَمْ نَكُن مَّعَكُمْ وَإِن كَانَ لِلْكَافِرِينَ نَصِيبٌ قَالُواْ أَلَمْ نَسْتَحْوِذْ عَلَيْكُمْ وَنَمْنَعْكُم مِّنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ فَاللّهُ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَلَن يَجْعَلَ اللّهُ لِلْكَافِرِينَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ سَبِيلاً

[Al-Mujaddidah]

Not all. Sayyid Qutb & Hasan al-Bana3a were the leading gems of our time.

Nor Sheikh Ahmed Yasin & Ahmed Rantisi. They were in the crux of Jihad, and are martyrs, Insha'allah.

It's just that, after the aforementioned died, these new people have taken over. They've always existed, it's just that they're showing more prominence.

Trust me. I know them more than I know my own mother. Their speech is poison. Under the guise of unity, they lash out against the Jihad in other countries and praise only their own.


الَّذِينَ يَتَرَبَّصُونَ بِكُمْ فَإِن كَانَ لَكُمْ فَتْحٌ مِّنَ اللّهِ قَالُواْ أَلَمْ نَكُن مَّعَكُمْ وَإِن كَانَ لِلْكَافِرِينَ نَصِيبٌ قَالُواْ أَلَمْ نَسْتَحْوِذْ عَلَيْكُمْ وَنَمْنَعْكُم مِّنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ فَاللّهُ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَلَن يَجْعَلَ اللّهُ لِلْكَافِرِينَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ سَبِيلاً


JazakAllahu Khayran brother Marwan for the ayah

4:141 (These are) the ones who wait and watch about you: if ye do gain a victory from Allah, they say: "Were we not with you?"- but if the unbelievers gain a success, they say (to them): "Did we not gain an advantage over you, and did we not guard you from the believers?" but Allah will judge betwixt you on the Day of Judgment. And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers.

[Hekmaa]

There was always a difference in the approach and methodology of Shaiykh Abdullah Azzam and Ayman Al Zawahiri. Later on Ayman Al Zawahiri also influenced Usama into his methodology and approach.

Shaiykh Abdullah Azzam; followed and preached what Shaiykhul Islam Ibn Taymiyah RA explains about Jihad and rules of engagement. Which is all about battle fields, and whatever means is used, it is all within a battle field.

Ayman Al Zawahiri; believed that the war can be taken to the civilians as well, as they support their governments. To do that, he believed, in all means necessary.

It is clear which is within the sunnah and which is far from the sunnah. Allot of the Ullama believe the reason Ayman Al Zawahiri adopted this view, was because of the difficulties he faced in Egyptian prisons. Thus he believed all the puppet governments are responsible for the condition of the Muslims and thus who supports them from within and outside, are also equally responsible.

There is allot of credible evidence that suggest ISI, Ayman Al Zawahiri, Hekmatyar and Usama all were involved in the murder of Shaiykh Abdullah Azzam. Recently they also had sent a letter and tape warning of death to his son, for speaking out against their method and approach, and how his father nor him support this method.


Finally i dont believe it is a good idea to brush aside anything that does not support our understanding of a situation as "propaganda". Allot credible Islamic media have also reported copies of those threats.

[Marwan]

To the accuser, I give him the news of hell-fire.

[Tristan]

They (azzam , zarqawi , zawahiry ) are devils and murderers who deserves more than the fires of hell....

[-Shamil-]

There is allot of credible evidence that suggest ISI, Ayman Al Zawahiri, Hekmatyar and Usama all were involved in the murder of Shaiykh Abdullah Azzam

Have you any evidence or are these just words to discredit other brothers?

[FollowerOfMuhammad]

According to salafis , Qutbis are deviated

http://www.troid.org/articles/manhaj/innovation/qutbees/

http://allaahuakbar.net/jamaat-e-islaami/qutb/index.htm

[alhadid]

Also Basayev, to let you know, they claim Ayman Zawahiri is amongst the khawarij. Osama, to them, is simply a fool with alot of cash. The Taliban are fundamentalist extremists that hijack their peaceful religion. They say all this while they make alliances with the Shi'ite and have amounted to no Jihad but sending little children to blow themselves apart. They can't do it themselves, of course.

They are the khawarij of our time. People of their ilk killed Ali (k), and are described as the "dogs of hell." They seek to create disunity amongst Muslims and claim they only are following the "true" resistance. Their web-page is www.islam-online.net (http://www.islam-online.net)

Qardawi (their leader), in fact, came all the way to Afghanistan to protest the destruction of the Buddhist statues, but never came to help the people, or praise us, or assist in leading. Just to serve as an "emissary from the sane world" to us religous bigots.

Remember, they CAME to Russia and said Chechnya is not their concern. They are opportunists. They will seek your sympathy but not extend it in return. I tell you, show sympathy for their people (the Palestinians) who are being duped by their elected officials, but expect none in return. That is the way of the Muslim.

Lol, that's funny. Because Osama,zawahiri, Zarqawi, abu hamza-muajer, you name it, are truer Muslim then you will ever be. You sit at the computer with your weak pacifist, apologetic(suck up) views, while they start Fatwa on non muslims to protect Muslim lands and advance the Ummah. They fight with all they got For allah yet you stand here in your little room screaming apologetic bull****. Funny.

[-Shamil-]

Lol, that's funny. Because Osama,zawahiri, Zarqawi, abu hamza-muajer, you name it, are truer Muslim then you will ever be. You sit at the computer with your weak pacifist, apologetic(suck up) views, while they start Fatwa on non muslims to protect Muslim lands and advance the Ummah. They fight with all they got For allah yet you stand here in your little room screaming apologetic bull****. Funny

Bro , you misunderstood what brother Marwan was saying.

He was explaining that these are the views of the Muslim Brotherhood regarding Osama , Zawahiri etc. They were not his (Marwans) views.

And Bro Hekmaa , im still waiting for some evidence.

Salam