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abdulhakeem
14-06-06, 11:12 PM
Taghred Chandab
June 12, 2006
Nicole Ferretti, left, shows off her designs to Houda Afyouni, and Zena and Rana Abdulla.
Photo: Jacky Ghossein
A young Sydney designer is on a mission to give Muslim women in Australia more fashion choices without breaching Islamic guidelines.
For Muslim women, it is a major struggle to find clothing in department stores that conforms to their religion - loose-fitting and concealing their body shape.
The traditional Islamic dress, the abaya, is not popular with young, hijab-wearing Muslims because of its heavy beading, dull colours and uncomfortable fabric.
But now the abaya has been given an overhaul, thanks to Nicole Ferretti.
Her makeshift showroom, in a quiet, south-western Sydney street, houses hundreds of abayas with a Western influence.
The military-style designs inspired by cargo pants and sporty abayas for the teenage girl were part of Ms Ferretti's "Pretty Covered Winter" fashion collection.
Ms Ferretti, 27, of Condell Park, said her collection had a strong Western influence, however, she was careful not to break Islamic dress guidelines.
"A lot of young women want to start wearing the abaya but their options are limited to those imported from the Middle East," she said.
"What I am trying to do is give young women who are thinking about wearing the abaya an opportunity to try something different."
Houda Afyouni, 27, of south-western Sydney, said she was never interested in wearing the abaya because of the heavy Middle Eastern influence. She said she purchased one of the abayas from Ms Ferretti's collection last year and received many compliments from friends and colleagues.
"It's trendy, it's modern and I don't feel like people are staring at me when I walk down the street."
She said living in a period where so much focus was placed on Muslim women made it difficult and was alienating. "What Nicole has done is help change the way Muslim women are dressing without compromising their values."
Ms Ferretti was in the process of developing a website to give Muslim women across the country an opportunity to wear her designs.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/fashion/new-design-on-ancient-dress/2006/06/12/1149964453395.html
for some reason i have a funny feeling about that red jilbab,.,
i dont quiet agree with bright coloured stuf..cos that DOES attract attention..dull colors is what its supposed to be.. wha the hell? we can virtually anything under our abayahs..so whats wrong here?:confused:
abdulhakeem
14-06-06, 11:32 PM
for some reason i have a funny feeling about that red jilbab,.,
i dont quiet agree with bright coloured stuf..cos that DOES attract attention..dull colors is what its supposed to be.. wha the hell? we can virtually anything under our abayahs..so whats wrong here?:confused:
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=4912&CATE=137 (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=4912&CATE=137)
Does women’s hijab have to be black? (http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=39570&dgn=4)
Colours which are encouraged (mustahabb), disliked (makrooh) and forbidden (haraam) in men’s and women’s clothing (http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=2843&dgn=4)
as mentioned in thread:
7ish-10pm 8th June - The CW Show! (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89616&page=2) post # 23 + 24
bro i aint red those links but. uh..im still not keen personally..ive experienced more attention in bright jilbabs..its just not me. neither am i dull or borin..but i wud neverrrr wear a red jilbab...its like 'in ureface' and too much to take in..
id rather stik with black, blue brown n the khaki colours.they do me just fine..and they not too right. alhamdulillah.
Question :
Are there any colours which a muslim/muslimah cannot wear eg red garments
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
Before we answer this question we should note an important point, which is that the basic principle regarding colours of clothes for men and women is that all colours are permissible except where there is a shar’i text forbidding a certain colour for men or women. There are shar’i texts which encourage the wearing of certain colours and forbid the wearing of other colours, such as the following:
Black: Umm Khaalid bint Khaalid said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was brought some clothes, among which was a small black khameesah [garment]. He said, ‘Who do you think we should give this to?’ The people remained silent. Then he said, ‘Bring me Umm Khaalid,’ and she was carried to him. He took the khameesah in his hand and put it on her, and said, ‘May you live long and wear it out.’ There was a green or yellow mark on it, and he said, ‘O Umm Khaalid, this is sanaah (good),’ and sanaah is an Abyssinian word.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari). Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I saw the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) on the day of the Conquest of Makkah, wearing a black turban.” (Reported by Muslim). ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “I made a black burdah (cloak) for the Messenger of Allaah ( ) peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he wore it, but when he sweated in it he detected the smell of wool on it, so he took it off, because he used to like pleasant smells.” (Reported by Abu Dawood. Al-Haakim (4/188) said: it is saheeh according to the conditions of the two shaykhs. Al-Dhahabi agreed with him. Shaykh al-Albaani said in al-Saheehah (5/168, no. 2136): It is as they said. Abu Dawood named a chapter in his Sunan “Bab fi’l-Suwaad (chapter on black clothes)”. The author of ‘Awn al-Ma’bood (11/126) said: The hadeeth indicates that it is permissible to wear black and that there is nothing makrooh in doing so).
Black is permissible for both men and women alike. One of the false innovations (bid’ah) connected to this colour is the practice of deliberately wearing black at times of bereavement, which also involves imitating the Christians. Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen said (Fataawa Islamiyah, 3/313): “Wearing black at times of bereavement is a false symbol that has no basis. At times of bereavement people should do what is commanded in Islam, which is to say ‘Innaa Lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raaji’oon. Allaahumma ajirni fi museebati wa’khluf li khayran minhaa (Truly! To Allaah we belong and truly, to Him we shall return. O Allaah, reward me for my calamity and compensate me with something better than it).’ If a person says this with faith and the hope of reward, Allaah will reward him for that and will replace what he has lost with something better.” He also said: “Allocating certain clothes for mourning is an act of bid’ah (innovation) in our opinion, and because it could indicate that a person is discontent with the decree of Allaah.”
White: Abu Dharr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he was wearing a white garment and was asleep. I came back to him (later), and he had woken up…” (Reported by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh, in a chapter he called Baab al-Thiyaab al-Beed (Chapter on white clothes)). Al-Bukhaari reported that Sa’d said: “I saw on the left of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and on his right two men wearing white clothes on the day of Uhud. I never saw them before or since.” These two men were Jibreel and Mikaa’eel, as al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar mentioned in al-Fath (10/295). White is a colour recommended (mustahabb) for the living to wear and for the dead to be shrouded in, as was stated in the hadeeth narrated by Ibn ‘Abbaas, who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Wear your white clothes, for they are the best of your clothes, and shroud your dead in them.’” (Reported by Abu Dawood and al-Tirmidhi; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Ahkaam al-Janaa’iz (p. 82)). White is also the preferred colour for men’s ihraam (special garments for Hajj), which consists of an izaar (lower garment) and a rida’ (upper garment).
Green: Abu Ramthah said: “I saw the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) wearing two green garments.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, who said, this is a ghareeb hasan hadeeth, and by al-Nisaa’i, 5224).
Red: It was reported that wearing pure red is forbidden for men, but not for women, because of the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade mafdam” (reported by Imaam Ahmad and Ibn Maajah, 3591). Mafdam is something that is filled with red safflower dye. According to the commentary of al-Sindi on Sunan al-Nisaa’i, mafdam is something that is filled with red. It was reported that if ‘Umar saw a man wearing a garment dyed red with safflower, he would pull him aside and say, “Leave this for the women.” (Reported by al-Tabari).
‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr said: “A man who was wearing two red garments passed by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and greeted him with salaam, but the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not respond.” (Reported by Abu Dawood and al-Tirmidhi, and classed as hasan by al-Bazzaar, who said: we know it only through this isnaad, which includes Abu Yahya al-Qattaat, who is a disputed figure).
There were several suggestions as to why men are forbidden to wear red, including the following:
because it is the dress of the kuffaar
because it is the adornment of women, so forbidding it is a way of discouraging the imitation of women
because it is vanity and does not befit a decent man to wear it
The prohibition applies only to garments that are dyed completely red. Garments that contain another colour such as white, black, etc. are not forbidden. This is how the ahaadeeth that speak about the red hullah should be interpreted, such as the hadeeth of al-Bara’ (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was of average height. I saw him wearing a red hullah, and I have never seen anything better than it.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 5400). The Yemeni hullah usually has stripes of red and another colour, it is not pure red.
Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allaah have mercy on him, said: “The clothing (of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)): Abu’l-Waleed told us Shu’bah told us from Abu Ishaaq who heard al-Bara’ (may Allaah be pleased with him) saying: ‘The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was of average height. I saw him wearing a red hullah, and I have never seen anything better than it.’ The hullah consists of an izaar and a rida’ (lower and upper garments)… It is a mistake to think that it was pure red and not mixed with any other colour. The red hullah is two Yemeni garments woven with red and black stripes like all the other Yemeni garments… But pure red is emphatically forbidden. In Saheeh al-Bukhaari it is stated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade red saddlecloths (or blankets) … With regard to red garments in general and red broadcloth, etc., the issue is still under discussion, but it is very disliked (makrooh).” (Zaad al-Ma’aad, 1/139). And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com)
I'm wondering how well cut they are as well. The picture isn't that clear but does indicate that they look a bit tightly cut, which they're not supposed to be. I'd like to see the collection though in better pics, just to get a more accurate idea.
There are 2 VERY SERIOUS problems with this thread
1. Pictures are haraam! Read this link:
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?search_text_box_dsn4=picture+maker&lv=search&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&formtrans=dgn%3D4%7C&ln=eng&ds=qa&sensitivity=2&searchquestions=1&searchtitles=1&searchanswers=1&searchsources=1&pg=result&offset=0&msubmit=1
2. Sisters should not be wearing tight cloths like the girls in the picture! Read this link: http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.php?lang=E&id=65691
bro i aint red those links but. uh..im still not keen personally..ive experienced more attention in bright jilbabs..its just not me. neither am i dull or borin..but i wud neverrrr wear a red jilbab...its like 'in ureface' and too much to take in..
id rather stik with black, blue brown n the khaki colours.they do me just fine..and they not too right. alhamdulillah.
Too right :up:
People always be calling me simple and dull. Im in a jilbaab, aint that the point :rolleyes:
Too right :up:
People always be calling me simple and dull. Im in a jilbaab, aint that the point :rolleyes:
exactly..its annoying when people ask me if im going to a funeral..get the hell outta here!!!:torture:
its becoming a growing fitnah..i mean jilbabs have become really tyt..so why call em jilbabs? cos jilbabs are meanta be loose not a figure hugging long dress that doesnt concela ure figure rather the opposite.
were just covering our beauty. and people have a problem with it. so they start a new trend just as shown above.:rolleyes:
Too right :up:
People always be calling me simple and dull. Im in a jilbaab, aint that the point :rolleyes:
Exactly sister!
Even in the quran it says: this is just an extract of verse 33:33 from the quran!
33:33 ...and make not a dazzling display...
So any bright colours are not allowed!
Anyone ever seen a pakistani wedding? Ustughfirullah! lol Nothing but bright and tight cloths!
exactly..its annoying when people ask me if im going to a funeral..get the hell outta here!!!:torture:
its becoming a growing fitnah..i mean jilbabs have become really tyt..so why call em jilbabs? cos jilbabs are meanta be loose not a figure hugging long dress that doesnt concela ure figure rather the opposite.
were just covering our beauty. and people have a problem with it. so they start a new trend just as shown above.:rolleyes:
Mashallah!
Nicely said! :)
outlandish
19-06-06, 07:45 AM
2. Sisters should not be wearing tight cloths like the girls in the picture! Read this link:
what tight clothes ,their properly covered:rolleyes:
what tight clothes ,their properly covered:rolleyes:
Why am I able to see the shape of her bottom clearly from the side view?
what tight clothes ,their properly covered:rolleyes:
it seems like ure deprived from the beauty of jilbab...
jilbab has many aspects.. and one of them is to make sure the cloak is not tyt..as it is clearly visible in the above picture. the second is to make sure they are covered..in such a way that attraction is not a problem.
outlandish
19-06-06, 01:08 PM
it seems like ure deprived from the beauty of jilbab...
jilbab has many aspects.. and one of them is to make sure the cloak is not tyt..as it is clearly visible in the above picture. the second is to make sure they are covered..in such a way that attraction is not a problem.
Ohh here we are with the same holier than though attitude
How and where did u deduce from that I am deprived from the beauty of jilbab.?Oh hey wait since I am defending some sisters right,so automatically means I dont know what jilbab is and what it means.
If u take a side view from any place u can deduce the shape of anyone's body(bottom in this case),no matter how loose their clothing may be. But I guess we always use less of our brains but more of our mouths to start bad mouthing others.
Ohh here we are with the same holier than though attitude
How and where did u deduce from that I am deprived from the beauty of jilbab.
I guess since u wear it, suddenly ur so perfect to be passing around judgements about others.
If u take a side view from any place u can deduce the shape of anyone's body(bottom in this case),no matter how loose their clothing may be. But I guess we always use less of our brains but more of our mouths to start bad mouthing others.
oh how narrow minded are we?
no i dont cuss sisters that dont wear hijab. and yes i repeat from ure posts ure deprived from the beauty of jilbab. seeing asu dont even know what a jilbab SHOULD be. yes i wear it. and im proud. got a problem? alhamdulillah i dont. not much i can do about it sorry *shrugs*:D
no ones bad mouthing anyone?:confused: where? who? what ? why ? when? man theres no compromising in islam. dont try tae argue cos u aint gina set ure beliefs. its doesnt work with islam.
what is it with people i ask? if u dont wanna wear it? then dont wear it..no one is putting a gun to ure head. but remmeber u will have to answer to ure Allah on the Day Of Judgemnet. and im not talking about you. im talking general.
you know..ure wrong when u say u can see someones figure from any place im sorry i dont get tha:confused: cos..i cant see my freinds figure..unless theres sommat wrong with my eyes n i need double glazing windows to see...wait lemme check..nope sorry cant see the figure. its hidden from those evil eyes. alhamdulillah:inlove:
outlandish
19-06-06, 01:25 PM
oh how narrow minded are we?
no i dont cuss sisters that dont wear hijab. and yes i repeat from ure posts ure deprived from the beauty of jilbab. seeing asu dont even know what a jilbab SHOULD be. yes i wear it. and im proud. got a problem? alhamdulillah i dont. not much i can do about it sorry *shrugs*:D
haha,Typical response,exactly keep on living and thinking like this. Sure I dont know what jilbab is exactly . I dont owe u anything whatever I know/or dont know,whatever I wear or not is my problem and between me and Allah.
And exactly there is no compromising in islam,so instead of preaching we should act on it as well, and give our brother and sisters 70 excuses before bad mouthing them on a public forum
And I said about a side view,so exactly something is definetely wrong with ur eyes,sorry;)
haha,Typical response,exactly keep on living and thinking like this. Sure I dont know what jilbab is exactly . I dont owe u anything whatever I know/or dont know,whatever I wear or not is my problem and between me and Allah.
And exactly there is no compromising in islam,so instead of preaching we should act on it as well, and give our brother and sisters 70 excuses before bad mouthing them on a public forum
And I said about a side view,so exactly something is definetely wrong with ur eyes,sorry;)
aye and a very typical ex`cuse from ure side. if u dont like the rulings of islam and its shariah..then hell..dont abide by em. ill laff when u have to answer to Allah in that manner. are you going to talk to him like that? like i sed if u dont wanna abide by it then dont and serve the punishment. maybe ull like it the. how do you know i dont act upon this jilbab? shame..we can only retort yet not accept the commandements of Allahs SWt adn his prophet PBUH...i pity people like u. oh do i feel sorry for u. i dont bad mouth anyone. tell me where i have bad mouthed. seems like ure quiet thik and u dont know whats what. ure not making sense! :wacko:
Al-Irhaab
19-06-06, 05:28 PM
haha,Typical response,exactly keep on living and thinking like this. Sure I dont know what jilbab is exactly . I dont owe u anything whatever I know/or dont know,whatever I wear or not is my problem and between me and Allah.
And exactly there is no compromising in islam,so instead of preaching we should act on it as well, and give our brother and sisters 70 excuses before bad mouthing them on a public forum
And I said about a side view,so exactly something is definetely wrong with ur eyes,sorry;)
no one was bad mouthing anyone... bad mouthing would have been to see look at these sisters they have no respect for the laws of allah etc etc... all that was said is their clothing was not appropriate, which is a fact after this we can make excuses for them, perhaps they dont know that its wrong etc etc....
this islam is between me and my allah :rolleyes: is a christian mentality, islam is that which is in ur heart and that which you do, it is between you, allah (Swt) and the muslims around you, you cant walk around outside swearing and someone says thats jahil and you say islam is between me and my allah (Swt), people get slapped for that...
islam was revealed to judge all our actions halal or haram, permissibile or forbidden, obligation to do or obligation not to do etc etc... from these guidelines a persons action can be judged, their niyyah is asked and on that basis a persons sincerity in regards to that action can be judged...
For anyone who thinks that the sisters in the picture are dressed appropriately, you NEED to read this!
http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/archive/article.php?lang=E&id=53036
After you have read that, you should realise (insha'allah) that the sister on the left has had her clothing on way too tight around the waist to emphasis her bottom i.e. her curses!
I think this is VERY VERY wrong!
Why am I able to see the shape of her bottom clearly from the side view?
well that would obviously be because your staring at her, dummy :torture:
well that would obviously be because your staring at her, dummy :torture:
Okay! I agree! I did stare! But would I have been put in that position if she was not dressed so attractively?
Okay! I agree! I did stare! But would I have been put in that position if she was not dressed so attractively?
yeah but so?
u shud have kept ure gaze down?
lol..
i get what u mean. its temptation. but remember u can keep ure gaze down if u didnt let satan rule u. :up:
yeah but so?
u shud have kept ure gaze down?
lol..
i get what u mean. its temptation. but remember u can keep ure gaze down if u didnt let satan rule u. :up:
True! :p
But I am weak :P Also, should sisters be wearing clothing pleasing to the eye to attract men by emphasis their curves?
Okay! I agree! I did stare! But would I have been put in that position if she was not dressed so attractively?
yes blame it all on her, u should be lowering ur gaze, your sayin they shouldnt have let people take their picture maybe the brother who started the thread shouldnt have posted the picture here either
too busy pointing out other peoples faults and forgetting our own :rolleyes:
yes blame it all on her, u should be lowering ur gaze, your sayin they shouldnt have let people take their picture maybe the brother who started the thread shouldnt have posted the picture here either
too busy pointing out other peoples faults and forgetting our own :rolleyes:
lol! fair enough.
I am at fault here, so I guess now that I have admitted it, it is ok for me to point out others faults! :p
For example, it is haraam for women to wear tight clothes infront of other WOMEN, so how bad must it be for women to wear tight clothes infront of MEN, then allow someone to take a picture and display it to the WORLD!!!
Please read this:
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=14302&dgn=4
ur_yusra
19-06-06, 09:58 PM
Okay! I agree! I did stare! But would I have been put in that position if she was not dressed so attractively?
Get a grip :S
Seriously men like you have got issues..
First and foremost you are trying to make a point, that sisters should not be in photographs and at the same time you are staring at her curvature. So whose worse?
What position do you mean exactly? Are you telling me that if a non muslim woman was wearing hardly anything you would stare at her because she put you 'in that position'.
Muslim women do not dress attractive so that they may protect themselves from the glares of pathetic men. They do not do it to help a man like you because no doubt there will be many other women you will come across that will not cover. So it is your duty to lower your gaze, and you like everyone else will be questioned about this.
Get a grip :S
Seriously men like you have got issues..
First and foremost you are trying to make a point, that sisters should not be in photographs and at the same time you are staring at her curvature. So whose worse?
What position do you mean exactly? Are you telling me that if a non muslim woman was wearing hardly anything you would stare at her because she put you 'in that position'.
Muslim women do not dress attractive so that they may protect themselves from the glares of pathetic men. They do not do it to help a man like you because no doubt there will be many other women you will come across that will not cover. So it is your duty to lower your gaze, and you like everyone else will be questioned about this.
And we thought MMS was slow to react! lol
Please read this link: http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=en...&QR=6991&dgn=4 (http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=6991&dgn=4)
And for the record, I was NOT staring. I was making a point. The point being, DO NOT WEAR TIGHT CLOTHES WHICH SHOW YOUR CURVES BECAUSE MEN WILL LOOK! Muslim women are better than that!
So CHILL dude!
ur_yusra
19-06-06, 10:21 PM
And we thought MMS was slow to react! lol
Please read this link: http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=en...&QR=6991&dgn=4 (http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=6991&dgn=4)
And for the record, I was NOT staring. I was making a point. The point being, DO NOT WEAR TIGHT CLOTHES WHICH SHOW YOUR CURVES BECAUSE MEN WILL LOOK! Muslim women are better than that!
So CHILL dude!
First and foremost I'm not a 'dude'.
Secondly in one of your posts you said 'I did stare' (with the exclamation mark) so unless you were erm joking? I took that statement at face value.
Your point is valid. The angle in which you make it is not.
Muslim women should dress modestly according to the islamic guidelines for the sake of Allah (swt), for no other reason besides the fact that it is a commandment that was revealed to Muhammad :saw: .
I do not dress modestly in the thought that it will help those poor brothers with a weak nafs who might look at me otherwise. We muslim women dress like this only for Allah (swt) and that is the primary motivation.
First and foremost I'm not a 'dude'.
Secondly in one of your posts you said 'I did stare' (with the exclamation mark) so unless you were erm joking? I took that statement at face value.
Your point is valid. The angle in which you make it is not.
Muslim women should dress modestly according to the islamic guidelines for the sake of Allah (swt), for no other reason besides the fact that it is a commandment that was revealed to Muhammad :saw: .
I do not dress modestly in the thought that it will help those poor brothers with a weak nafs who might look at me otherwise. We muslim women dress like this only for Allah (swt) and that is the primary motivation.
So im guessing you're a sister?
YES IT WAS A JOKE!!! The point was that if you display yourself like that, men will look!!!! There are probably men looking and STARING at that picture as we speak!
But still, if you are not joking about not dressing modestly, you need to read and understand this link! http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=en...&QR=6991&dgn=4 (http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=6991&dgn=4)
ur_yusra
19-06-06, 10:29 PM
So im guessing you're a sister?
YES IT WAS A JOKE!!! The point was that if you display yourself like that, men will look!!!! There are probably men looking and STARING at that picture as we speak!
But still, if you are not joking about not dressing modestly, you need to read and understand this link! http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=en...&QR=6991&dgn=4
Yes I believe that now.. :rolleyes:
Yes I believe that now.. :rolleyes:
Would you have believed that statement I made if I didn't use the technique I used?
Anyway, the reasons you posted for dressing accordingly are NOT the only reasons. You missed one of the main reasons being temptation!
The purpose of clothing is to prevent fitnah (temptation), and this can only be achieved if clothes are wide and loose. Tight clothes, even if they conceal the colour of the skin, still describe the size and shape of the body or part of it, and create a vivid image in the minds of men. The corruption or invitation to corruption that is inherent in that is quite obvious. So the clothes must be wide.
Therefore, anyone who says that the sisters in that picture are dressed islamically, need to get their eyes checked, because their clothes ARE NOT LOOSE AND WIDE!!!
outlandish
20-06-06, 08:36 AM
no one was bad mouthing anyone... bad mouthing would have been to see look at these sisters they have no respect for the laws of allah etc etc... all that was said is their clothing was not appropriate, which is a fact after this we can make excuses for them, perhaps they dont know that its wrong etc etc....
this islam is between me and my allah :rolleyes: is a christian mentality, islam is that which is in ur heart and that which you do, it is between you, allah (Swt) and the muslims around you, you cant walk around outside swearing and someone says thats jahil and you say islam is between me and my allah (Swt), people get slapped for that...
islam was revealed to judge all our actions halal or haram, permissibile or forbidden, obligation to do or obligation not to do etc etc... from these guidelines a persons action can be judged, their niyyah is asked and on that basis a persons sincerity in regards to that action can be judged...
I see it as bad mouthing,placing someone's picture on aforum,where everyone can see her,and maybe knows here. And than showing problems with her dress and talking about it. If u have sucha problem,send those sisters an email,take the picture off from here. That would be a better way.
Islam is between me and Allah is not a christian mentality,I dont see how since Allah alone knows what is in my heart, islam is in my heart,my imaan is known to Allah alone, Allah knows how I dress,no one here does,and how I dress I dont need to be telling that on a public forum,showing off ohh look I dress so modestly, since I dont own anyone any explanation here. And I dont see that as a judging factor in thinking one with beard,hijaab is automatically better than anyone else,that to me is jahil and jahil thinking.My response was to that sister whom was assuming I dont wear a jilbab/hijaab and dont know its significance. So my response was to her,in what i wear or not,or what my imaan is,Allah knows,I dont need to be telling her here.So if u bothered to read maybe u would have understood better what I meant,cant help it if people show such comprehension problems here.So I dont know what is jahil here, me or ur response coming off in such a rude way and at the same time telling me about how to be civil since I could get a slapping for this?So for the slapping part,hmm:rolleyes:
As for the looking,I assumed the one whom said it was a sister,since it turns out to be a bro well i dont think anything else need be said:rolleyes:
I see it as bad mouthing,placing someone's picture on aforum,where everyone can see her,and maybe knows here. And than showing problems with her dress and talking about it. If u have sucha problem,send those sisters an email,take the picture off from here. That would be a better way.
Islam is between me and Allah is not a christian mentality,I dont see how since Allah alone knows what is in my heart, islam is in my heart,my imaan is known to Allah alone, Allah knows how I dress,no one here does,and how I dress I dont need to be telling that on a public forum,showing off ohh look I dress so modestly, since I dont own anyone any explanation here. And I dont see that as a judging factor in thinking one with beard,hijaab is automatically better than anyone else,that to me is jahil and jahil thinking.My response was to that sister whom was assuming I dont wear a jilbab/hijaab and dont know its significance. So my response was to her,in what i wear or not,or what my imaan is,Allah knows,I dont need to be telling her here.So if u bothered to read maybe u would have understood better what I meant,cant help it if people show such comprehension problems here.So I dont know what is jahil here, me or ur response coming off in such a rude way and at the same time telling me about how to be civil since I could get a slapping for this?So for the slapping part,hmm:rolleyes:
As for the looking,I assumed the one whom said it was a sister,since it turns out to be a bro well i dont think anything else need be said:rolleyes:
some good points there, but we need to remember that when people start posting images like that in forums like this, potential or existing brothers and sisters who are new to islam will automatically assume that there is nothing wrong with it. this is why we MUST make it obvious when something like this happens that it is wrong. and you are right, the sisters in that picture should be contacted and told about what has been done. also the original poster should also be contacted!
ontop of that in the quran it says that we are to REMIND each other about islam! So when someone makes a mistake, I think we should be reminding them about islam! Obviously we should be reminding each other about islam all the time, but I think expecially when something has been done wrong.
so I see nothing wrong with what has been done so far so show everyone how wrong that picture is and how wrong their clothing is!
This thread has taken an appaling turn at the hands of a few.
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