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Lu'Lu
07-05-06, 03:03 PM
Sorry if you thought that I was telling it! But I am looking for it. I heard it once aaaaages ago, it was translated by an Arabic speaking sister at a sisters camp. SubhanAllah it was so beautiful, it was the true story of a woman who only spoke Quran, no other speech. She would reply to questions with ayaat from the Quran and it was so amazing. Her reason was that she feared angering Allah if she spoke any other speech.
I have been looking for it for ages with no luck.:(

Has anyone heard it? Heard of it? I dont even know who narrated it and which period of the time it was from. Maybe the Ta'bieen?

Arifa
07-05-06, 06:56 PM
A word from a Merciful Lord is: PEACE

Imam Abu Haneefa’s (RA) student, Abdullah Ibn Mubaarak (RA) was travelling from Makkah to Medinah, when he came across a woman in the midst of a desert. What happens next is for all to remember. The scholars have concluded that the knowledgeable woman was either Raabiyah Basri or Umme Yahya (RA).
NOTE: Every sentence said by the lady Raabiyah Basri is from the Holy Qur’aan.

Abdullah: Assalaamu Alaikum
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya): A word from a Merciful; Lord is: ‘Peace’.(36:58)

Abdullah: May Allah’s blessing be upon you! What are you doing here?
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):Those whom Allah sends astray, there is no guide for them.(7:186)

Abdullah: (Thinking she has lost her way). In which direction are you travelling?
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya): Glory to Him (Allah) who carried His servant by night from Masjid Haraam to the far distant place of worship (Masjid Aqsa).(17:01)

Abdullah: (Concluding that people returning from Hajj travel to baitul Maqdis.) For how long have you remained here?
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya): For three whole nights.(19:10)

Abdullah: (Astonished) But how have you been surviving when you have neither food nor drink?
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):He is the Being Who feeds me and gives me drink.(26:79)

Abdullah: But if you have no water how have you been making Ablution?
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):And if you find no water then take for yourselves clean earth.(4:43)

Abdullah: Listen, I have food with me. Would you like to eat now?
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):Complete your fast till night.(2:187)

Abdullah: But why are you fasting? When surely this is not the month of Ramadan.
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya): He who does good with his own free will; it is better for him. For
Surely Allah is the most Grateful and the all Knowing.(2:158)

Abdullah: However it has been excused for muslims not to fast whilst travelling?
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya): And if you fast it is better for you. If only you know. (2:184)

Abdullah: (In frustration) why do you speak Quranic verses only, why do you not speak my language?
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya): He utters no word but there is with him an observer.(Meaning the
Angels who take account of our deeds)(50:18)

Abdullah: What tribe so you come from?
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya): And follow not of that which you have no knowledge.(17:36)

Abdullah: (Ashamed, pleadingly). Please forgive me, yet again I have been proven wrong.
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):(Forgivingly) Have no fear for this day.(12:92)

Abdullah: Come ride upon my camel and I shall take you safely to your destination.
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):And what so ever good you do, Allah knows.(2:197)

Having reared the camel to crouch down, he then indicated Raabiyah (RA) to climb onto the camel.

Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and be
modest.(24:30)

After lowering his gaze, Abdullah (RA) told her to climb upon the camel. Just as Raabiyah (Umme Yahya) began to climb on, the camel moved forward which caused her shawl to unravel somewhat to which she said: It is because of the things your hands have earned.(42:30)

Abdullah: Wait; let me first tie the camel down, so that it may stay still for when you climb upon it.
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya) :And we have made Suleiman (AS) understanding (the case)(21:79)

After tying the camel down once again, Abdullah (RA) told Raabiyah (RA) to climb onto the camel. Whilst climbing Raabiyah began to praise Allah:

Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):Glory be to Him who has subjected this for our use for we could never have accomplished this (by ourselves)(43:13)

Abdullah (RA) whilst holding onto the rope of the camel began praying loudly and also quickened his voice. Seeing this Raabiyah (RA) once again stated another verse.

Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):And be moderate in your pace and lower your voice.(31:19)

Abdullah: Allah had granted you with many rewards.
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):But none will grasp the message apart from men of understanding.(3:07)


Abdullah: Do you have a companion, a husband?
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):O’ you, who believe, ask not questions about such things that if made clear to you, may cause trouble.(5:101)

After hearing this, Abdullah (RA) remained silent until he approached a group of people. (Upon arrival)

Abdullah: What family do you have amongst this tribe?
Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):Wealth and sons are an ornament of the life of this world.(18:46)

Abdullah (RA) realized that she had sons within the tribe. He then asked for her address.

Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):And marks and signposts and by the stars (men) guide themselves. (16:16)

Abdullah held on to the lead of the camel and began to circulate amongst the tents asking whether she recognized her tent. When passing one particular tent, she called out:

Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):And Allah did take Ibrahim as an intimate friend.(4:125)
And Allah spoke directly to Moosa.(4:164)
O’ Yahya hold fast onto the scripture.(19:12)

Abdullah now knew that she had three sons, Moosa Yahya and Ibrahim, so raising his voice; he began to call for the three. No sooner had the words left his mouth that three handsome young men came running upon hearing their names being called out. Seeing their mother, they lowered her from the camel and began a conversation with Abdullah (RA).

Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):Now send one of you with this silver coin into the city, and let him see what food is purest there and bring a supply thereof.(18:19)

As soon as hearing this, one son hurried away, only to return with some food which he put in front of Abdullah (RA)…

Raabiyah(Umme Yahya):Eat and drink with ease for that which you sent on before you, in pass days.(69:24)

Abdullah (RA) became fully aware of Raabiyah’s (RA) piety and great ability in understanding the Holy Qur’aan. From the beginning to the end of the journey, she had answered from the Holy Qur’aan, not once speaking her own language. He cried out in panic to her sons, “I swear not to touch this food until I have been told who this pious women is”
Astonished by Abdullah’s (RA) outcry, her sons answered, “We haven’t any reasons not to tell you. She is our mother who has for the last forty years only spoke from the holy Qur’aan, using Quranic verse, so that on the Day of Judgement, she will not have to answer for any sins committed by her tongue.” Subhanallah!!
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Salam, You're lucky it's one of my favourite stories, what do I get? :D
Just kidding, Remember the Ummah in your duas. XxX

PASHTUN WARRIOR
07-05-06, 07:04 PM
that is wrong and forbidden in islaam. three men came to the prophet, the one wanted to fast all his life time, the other wanted to pray all his life time and the third refused to have sexual intercourse. the PROPHET MUHAMMED SAW GOT REALLY ANGRY AND SAID THAT THE ONE WHO DOES NOT FOLLOW MY SUNNAH HAS NOT RELATION WITH ME...

thus the woman acted in a bad way and being proud of such a story is another stupid thing.

We only follow the SUNNAH and for those trying to be better than the Prophet MUhammed saw, then they will fail and become khwarij.

THE PROPHET DIDNT ALWAYS RESPOND BY THE QURAN AND DIDNT TALK ONLY SAYING WORDS FROM THE QURAN. THUS, WE SHOULD IMMITATE THE PROPHET AND NOT THIS WOMAN.
MAy ALLAAH GUIDE US TOWARDS TO SUNNAH OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMED SAW

Muslimah333
07-05-06, 07:25 PM
Hmmm. Her intention was good. I don't think she meant to do wrong... Then again Allah is the judge.

PASHTUN WARRIOR
07-05-06, 07:42 PM
no, they had a good intention but they didnt follow the sunnah and the prophet Muhammed saw got angry because of this. in another narration, abdullah ibn massoud sees people saying 100 times subhannallaa, allhamdulilah and allahu akbar and gets angry with the people because what they are doing is a bidah, inventing a new form of worship.
of course these people have a good intention but you always gotta follow the sunnah.

puella
07-05-06, 07:43 PM
that is wrong and forbidden in islaam. three men came to the prophet, the one wanted to fast all his life time, the other wanted to pray all his life time and the third refused to have sexual intercourse. the PROPHET MUHAMMED SAW GOT REALLY ANGRY AND SAID THAT THE ONE WHO DOES NOT FOLLOW MY SUNNAH HAS NOT RELATION WITH ME...

thus the woman acted in a bad way and being proud of such a story is another stupid thing.

We only follow the SUNNAH and for those trying to be better than the Prophet MUhammed saw, then they will fail and become khwarij.

THE PROPHET DIDNT ALWAYS RESPOND BY THE QURAN AND DIDNT TALK ONLY SAYING WORDS FROM THE QURAN. THUS, WE SHOULD IMMITATE THE PROPHET AND NOT THIS WOMAN.
MAy ALLAAH GUIDE US TOWARDS TO SUNNAH OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMED SAW

brother, with all due respect, you should keep hold of your tongue for a short while and try to understand wht the sisters are trying to accomplish....who said anything about wanting to follow in this ladys' footsteps?...and as for you loosley ascribing people to being khawaarij, who made us judge and jury?!

puella
07-05-06, 07:47 PM
no, they had a good intention but they didnt follow the sunnah and the prophet Muhammed saw got angry because of this. in another narration, abdullah ibn massoud sees people saying 100 times subhannallaa, allhamdulilah and allahu akbar and gets angry with the people because what they are doing is a bidah, inventing a new form of worship.
of course these people have a good intention but you always gotta follow the sunnah.

i understand your argument, for example, someone who wishes to worship Allah may prosrate three times in each rakaah instead of twice just to show his/her veneration for their Lord...their intention may be just but the act in itself is not right according to the sunnah, so in that respect i agree with you....yet Islaam is not a rigid religion, it is not a harsh religion and sometimes it is portrayed as such by us...sometimes by the way we practice and sometimes by the remarks we make!

PASHTUN WARRIOR
07-05-06, 07:48 PM
so the woman is better than the prophet saw and the sahaba for only answering talking in quranic language?

the best way to fear ALLAAH is to follow the sunnah of the prophet muhammed saw.

puella
07-05-06, 08:06 PM
so the woman is better than the prophet saw and the sahaba for only answering talking in quranic language?

the best way to fear ALLAAH is to follow the sunnah of the prophet muhammed saw.

and who said that?

PASHTUN WARRIOR
07-05-06, 08:20 PM
her actions imply that.

arabic_courses
07-05-06, 08:24 PM
Assalaamu alaikum
This story is well known in the arab land, however it is a classic case of a well known story that is not true. My teacher who teaches me tafseer mentioned that there is nothing established that this story is true.
However, even if it was true, then it is not exactly praiseworthy as it contains many things that are not allowed.
1) The opinions of the scholars have differed with regards to saying ayaat of the Qur'aan with the intent of changing its meaning, however, the least that can be said is that it is makrooh because it entails using the Qur'aan for other than what it was intended for. For example, if you saw a guy called Yahya and you wanted to give him a book, so you said in Arabic "Oh yahyah take this book with firmness". That is an Aayah of the Qur'aan however it was not revealed to be used like this.
2) If she is a woman then she has to have her monthly cycle, and all the four mathhabs are in agreement that a woman should not recite Qur'aan during that time (except Imaam Maalik who allowed a woman who needs to revise her Qur'aan to recite during that time do to the harm that her Qur'aan might become weak or she might forget some Aayaat).
3) Allaahs Messenger gave us adhkaar for the day and night, and for all aspects of our lives, but by her doing this she is leaving the Sunna of our Prophet Sallaahu alaihi wa salaam. Not to mention that the Salaah has words in it that are not from the Qur'aan so how did she pray? There are adhkaar that can be said at the beginning and end of Wudhoo, when giving zakaah, the talbiya during Hajj and so on.


However, there is no need to mention the above as the story is not true.
As for liking the story, then one cannot criticise someone for liking it as it (apparently) sounds nice. Everyone would 'like' to be able to recite the Qur'aan from any place at any time, so I don’t think that anyone should criticise anyone else for liking it (especially when the person liking it is not a scholar). As long as they don’t extract Islamic rulings from the story or act upon it in any way, because what she did (the woman in the story) was not from Islaam.

I have been reading some of the posts on this forum and I find that there is one problem that we all seem to have, and that is respect for each other.
I believe that we can all exchange ideas and information without rudeness or criticising. We should love our Muslim brothers enough to not embarrass them inform of the world. Also, from that love for our muslim brothers is the want for them to be guided and I don’t see that happening if we call each other 'stupid' or 'wahabi' or whatever.
This was general advice for everyone and not someone specific.
Assalaamu alaikum

puella
07-05-06, 08:30 PM
I have been reading some of the posts on this forum and I find that there is one problem that we all seem to have, and that is respect for each other.
I believe that we can all exchange ideas and information without rudeness or criticising. We should love our Muslim brothers enough to not embarrass them inform of the world. Also, from that love for our muslim brothers is the want for them to be guided and I don’t see that happening if we call each other 'stupid' or 'wahabi' or whatever.
This was general advice for everyone and not someone specific.

Jazakallah for your post, very enlightening.

And also with regards to the last portion of the above post, i want to apologise to anyone to whom i may have been harsh/rude etc...and i think i may have been with PW, sorry.

PASHTUN WARRIOR
07-05-06, 08:43 PM
salam brother,
thanks. i agree with you fully. May ALLAAH bless you more.

Assalaamu alaikum
This story is well known in the arab land, however it is a classic case of a well known story that is not true. My teacher who teaches me tafseer mentioned that there is nothing established that this story is true.
However, even if it was true, then it is not exactly praiseworthy as it contains many things that are not allowed.
1) The opinions of the scholars have differed with regards to saying ayaat of the Qur'aan with the intent of changing its meaning, however, the least that can be said is that it is makrooh because it entails using the Qur'aan for other than what it was intended for. For example, if you saw a guy called Yahya and you wanted to give him a book, so you said in Arabic "Oh yahyah take this book with firmness". That is an Aayah of the Qur'aan however it was not revealed to be used like this.
2) If she is a woman then she has to have her monthly cycle, and all the four mathhabs are in agreement that a woman should not recite Qur'aan during that time (except Imaam Maalik who allowed a woman who needs to revise her Qur'aan to recite during that time do to the harm that her Qur'aan might become weak or she might forget some Aayaat).
3) Allaahs Messenger gave us adhkaar for the day and night, and for all aspects of our lives, but by her doing this she is leaving the Sunna of our Prophet Sallaahu alaihi wa salaam. Not to mention that the Salaah has words in it that are not from the Qur'aan so how did she pray? There are adhkaar that can be said at the beginning and end of Wudhoo, when giving zakaah, the talbiya during Hajj and so on.


However, there is no need to mention the above as the story is not true.
As for liking the story, then one cannot criticise someone for liking it as it (apparently) sounds nice. Everyone would 'like' to be able to recite the Qur'aan from any place at any time, so I don’t think that anyone should criticise anyone else for liking it (especially when the person liking it is not a scholar). As long as they don’t extract Islamic rulings from the story or act upon it in any way, because what she did (the woman in the story) was not from Islaam.

I have been reading some of the posts on this forum and I find that there is one problem that we all seem to have, and that is respect for each other.
I believe that we can all exchange ideas and information without rudeness or criticising. We should love our Muslim brothers enough to not embarrass them inform of the world. Also, from that love for our muslim brothers is the want for them to be guided and I don’t see that happening if we call each other 'stupid' or 'wahabi' or whatever.
This was general advice for everyone and not someone specific.
Assalaamu alaikum

Lu'Lu
07-05-06, 11:13 PM
Assalaamu alaikum
This story is well known in the arab land, however it is a classic case of a well known story that is not true. My teacher who teaches me tafseer mentioned that there is nothing established that this story is true.
However, even if it was true, then it is not exactly praiseworthy as it contains many things that are not allowed.
1) The opinions of the scholars have differed with regards to saying ayaat of the Qur'aan with the intent of changing its meaning, however, the least that can be said is that it is makrooh because it entails using the Qur'aan for other than what it was intended for. For example, if you saw a guy called Yahya and you wanted to give him a book, so you said in Arabic "Oh yahyah take this book with firmness". That is an Aayah of the Qur'aan however it was not revealed to be used like this.
2) If she is a woman then she has to have her monthly cycle, and all the four mathhabs are in agreement that a woman should not recite Qur'aan during that time (except Imaam Maalik who allowed a woman who needs to revise her Qur'aan to recite during that time do to the harm that her Qur'aan might become weak or she might forget some Aayaat).
3) Allaahs Messenger gave us adhkaar for the day and night, and for all aspects of our lives, but by her doing this she is leaving the Sunna of our Prophet Sallaahu alaihi wa salaam. Not to mention that the Salaah has words in it that are not from the Qur'aan so how did she pray? There are adhkaar that can be said at the beginning and end of Wudhoo, when giving zakaah, the talbiya during Hajj and so on.


However, there is no need to mention the above as the story is not true.
As for liking the story, then one cannot criticise someone for liking it as it (apparently) sounds nice. Everyone would 'like' to be able to recite the Qur'aan from any place at any time, so I don’t think that anyone should criticise anyone else for liking it (especially when the person liking it is not a scholar). As long as they don’t extract Islamic rulings from the story or act upon it in any way, because what she did (the woman in the story) was not from Islaam.

I have been reading some of the posts on this forum and I find that there is one problem that we all seem to have, and that is respect for each other.
I believe that we can all exchange ideas and information without rudeness or criticising. We should love our Muslim brothers enough to not embarrass them inform of the world. Also, from that love for our muslim brothers is the want for them to be guided and I don’t see that happening if we call each other 'stupid' or 'wahabi' or whatever.
This was general advice for everyone and not someone specific.
Assalaamu alaikum

:sub: , I seemed to have opened a can of worms :nervous: . Jzk Sister Mystique for posting the story. You probably like me, were not aware that the story was untrue and of all the above. Jzk to the brother who wrote the above and for clarifying our misconceptions. The thing is, I heard this story about 7 years ago when I was 14 at an event where it was 'narrated' rather than read out or given to read. Sometimes stories are told in such a wonderful way that they leave a lasting impression. I and many others were somewhat 'mesmerised' by this tale of a woman who feared Allah so much that she went to such great lengths to not anger him with her speech. We didn’t think to question it, and after reading the above, it seems so obvious that it is not correct and in accordance with the sunnah.

I would say, that the good I took from it and maybe others can (even though it is not true) is the importance of controlling our tongue. It is so easy to utter words that maybe hurtful towards another Muslim brother or sister or even something futile which will be of no benefit to the people on the spur of the moment. We do not often realise the graveness of what we say, nor do we realise that our tongues will give witness against us on Yawm ul Qiyamah. There must be a reason why we were told to guard our tongues and private parts. Committing fornication seems to be such a huge sin, but it does not always seem to be as bad with regards to our tongue. The fact that they were mentioned together says a great deal in itself.

Which reminds me, sorry if going a bit off topic, of the hadith of when the Prophet (SAW) told us that if one becomes angry, if he is standing, he should sit down and if he is sitting down, he should lie down. Has anyone tried it? It is the funniest thing ever!!! If you have a person having a rant and you tell them to carry on but sit down, they try and carry on but they cant with as much zeal. And if you tell them to lie down, you have them lying flat on their backs looking straight up talking rubbish and look so ridiculous they just give up! You usually both end up laughing! Good way to solve arguments as well :) SubhanaAllah, so much hikmah in the hadith.

There is also the hadith of Abu Dharr (RA), who told the following story: he was watering his animals at a trough, when some other people came along. He said, “Who among you will help Abu Dharr to water his animals and ....?” A man said, “I will,” but he broke the trough. Abu Dharr was standing, so he sat down, then he lay down. Someone asked him, “O Abu Dharr, why did you sit down then lie down?” He said, “Because the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said … [and quoted the Hadith].”

The man had done something so big and despite that Abu Dharr was able to control his anger. And it must have really upset him that he ended up sitting down and lying down so as to stop himself from lashing out! He may have looked a bit odd, but if it meant that he could guard his tongue, so be it.

To end, one of the posts above, one brother was concerned that our lesson from the story may have been to imitate the woman and speak in Quran. Well I can say for myself, that with the amount of Quran I know, I would be very restricted in my speech. :(

Subhanaka wa bihamdika la ilaha illah anta astaghfiruka wa atoobu ilayk