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Te'oma
29-04-06, 01:50 AM
What would you do if you went to the doctor tomorrow and discovered that your heart was failing and that your only chance at survival would be to transplant a valve from a pig into your heart? Would you get it done or would you say no and allow yourself to die?

Farahnaz
29-04-06, 02:11 AM
Nope, definitely not a pig's valve :(
And I don't wanna die either :crying: :lahawla:
I'll ask an artificial one...if there's any :up: I think dats my best option.

Te'oma
29-04-06, 07:01 AM
Nope, definitely not a pig's valve :(
And I don't wanna die either :crying: :lahawla:
I'll ask an artificial one...if there's any :up: I think dats my best option.

Why not? Is there any reason? A pig's organs are very similiar to human's and are used widely for this purpose. It's easier to use a pig then it is to get a human dna match and the porcine valve is actually superior to an artificial one

Leena_Cnd
29-04-06, 09:14 AM
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I'd rather keep my dignity.
There would no quality life, besides there would
be just more suffering in being a 'guinni pig '.:eek:
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Te'oma
30-04-06, 05:27 AM
but we are allowed to consume pork if death is the alternative. The majority of people with porcine implants can live decent lives. It's beyond being a guinea pig

MG
30-04-06, 07:11 AM
thats a hard question, im still thinking about the answer!

one of my aunties has allegedly got a "pig's liver" transplant :rubeyes:

puella
30-04-06, 11:53 AM
if it was my only chance at survival then i would go for it. in my limited knowledge Allah has forbidden us from consuming the meat from pigs..nothing else....yet there are certain medicines that come in capsular form only and are made of gelatine!....just like we have been forbidden from consuming alchohol, yet sometimes there is alchohol in medicines....so what would you do then?...if you needed a medicine which, has one or both of these ingredients and there is no alternative and it was a life threatening indication...what then?

~*UC*~
30-04-06, 12:22 PM
Praise be to Allaah.
The production of medicines from non-animal sources may be of two types:
1. Where they are made from permissible materials, so they are permissible, such as making them from permissible herbs.
2. Where they are made from materials which are haraam (forbidden) or naajis (impure), so the medicine is haraam according to the consensus of the fuqahaa’, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah does not put your cure in that which He has forbidden to you.” (narrated by al-Bukhaari in a mu’allaq report; al-Fath, vol. 1, p. 78)
See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, vol. 11, p. 118
If the medicine is made from animal sources, it may be one of three types:
1. If it comes from an animal whose meat may be eaten and it has been slaughtered correctly, then it is permissible to use it as medicine.
2. If it comes from an animal whose meat may be eaten but it has not been slaughtered correctly, then it is not permissible to use it for medicine, because it is haraam. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah does not put your cure in that which He has forbidden to you.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh, in a mu’allaq report from Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him), in Kitaab al-Ashribah).
3. If it comes from an animal whose meat cannot be eaten, then it is not permissible to use it as medicine, for the reasons stated above. This includes pork.
Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Section: it is not permissible to treat disease with haraam things, or anything that contains haraam things, such as the milk of female donkeys, or the meat of something that is haraam, or to drink wine in order to treat disease, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Allaah does not put the cure for my ummah in that which He has forbidden to them.’ And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, when he was told about nabeedh (date wine) that was used for medicinal purposes, ‘It is not a cure, it is a disease.’” (al-Mughni, vol. 9, p. 338)
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Fataawa al-Kubra (vol. 3, p. 6): “Question: is it permissible to treat disease with alcohol?
The answer:
Treating disease with alcohol is haraam, as stated by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This is the view of the vast majority of scholars. It was narrated in al-Saheeh that he was asked about alcohol that was made for medicinal purposes, and he said: ‘It is a disease, it is not a cure.’ And in al-Sunan it is narrated that he said: ‘It is forbidden to treat disease with khabeeth (evil) things.’ Ibn Mas’ood said: ‘Allaah does not put your cure in that which He has forbidden to you.’ Ibn Hibbaan narrated in his Saheeh that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Allaah does not put the cure for my ummah in that which He has forbidden to them.’ In al-Sunan it is narrated that he was asked about frogs which were used for medicinal purposes. He forbade killing them, and said, ‘Their croaking is tasbeeh (glorification of Allaah).’
This is not like eating dead meat out of necessity, for that achieves the purpose of keeping the person alive when he has no alternative; eating it in this case is obligatory, and if a person is forced by necessity to eat dead meat, but he does not eat it and dies as a result, he will go to Hell. But in the case of treating disease, the cure is not certain and this is not the only medicine which one may take, rather Allaah may bring about a person's recovery through a variety of means. Treating disease is not obligatory according to the majority of scholars, so there is no analogy in this case. And Allaah knows best.
Based on the above, the answer to the second question is as follows:
2 – it is not permissible for a doctor to use haraam medications in treating disease.
And Allaah knows best.

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puella
30-04-06, 12:34 PM
i do not have the audacity to question the above post, but medical treatment is not always as straight forward as the answer permits....

Te'oma
30-04-06, 08:14 PM
Praise be to Allaah.


The production of medicines from non-animal sources may be of two types:
1. Where they are made from permissible materials, so they are permissible, such as making them from permissible herbs.
2. Where they are made from materials which are haraam (forbidden) or naajis (impure), so the medicine is haraam according to the consensus of the fuqahaa’, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah does not put your cure in that which He has forbidden to you.” (narrated by al-Bukhaari in a mu’allaq report; al-Fath, vol. 1, p. 78)
See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, vol. 11, p. 118
If the medicine is made from animal sources, it may be one of three types:
1. If it comes from an animal whose meat may be eaten and it has been slaughtered correctly, then it is permissible to use it as medicine.
2. If it comes from an animal whose meat may be eaten but it has not been slaughtered correctly, then it is not permissible to use it for medicine, because it is haraam. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah does not put your cure in that which He has forbidden to you.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh, in a mu’allaq report from Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him), in Kitaab al-Ashribah).
3. If it comes from an animal whose meat cannot be eaten, then it is not permissible to use it as medicine, for the reasons stated above. This includes pork.
Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Section: it is not permissible to treat disease with haraam things, or anything that contains haraam things, such as the milk of female donkeys, or the meat of something that is haraam, or to drink wine in order to treat disease, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Allaah does not put the cure for my ummah in that which He has forbidden to them.’ And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, when he was told about nabeedh (date wine) that was used for medicinal purposes, ‘It is not a cure, it is a disease.’” (al-Mughni, vol. 9, p. 338)
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Fataawa al-Kubra (vol. 3, p. 6): “Question: is it permissible to treat disease with alcohol?
The answer:
Treating disease with alcohol is haraam, as stated by the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This is the view of the vast majority of scholars. It was narrated in al-Saheeh that he was asked about alcohol that was made for medicinal purposes, and he said: ‘It is a disease, it is not a cure.’ And in al-Sunan it is narrated that he said: ‘It is forbidden to treat disease with khabeeth (evil) things.’ Ibn Mas’ood said: ‘Allaah does not put your cure in that which He has forbidden to you.’ Ibn Hibbaan narrated in his Saheeh that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Allaah does not put the cure for my ummah in that which He has forbidden to them.’ In al-Sunan it is narrated that he was asked about frogs which were used for medicinal purposes. He forbade killing them, and said, ‘Their croaking is tasbeeh (glorification of Allaah).’
This is not like eating dead meat out of necessity, for that achieves the purpose of keeping the person alive when he has no alternative; eating it in this case is obligatory, and if a person is forced by necessity to eat dead meat, but he does not eat it and dies as a result, he will go to Hell. But in the case of treating disease, the cure is not certain and this is not the only medicine which one may take, rather Allaah may bring about a person's recovery through a variety of means. Treating disease is not obligatory according to the majority of scholars, so there is no analogy in this case. And Allaah knows best.
Based on the above, the answer to the second question is as follows:
2 – it is not permissible for a doctor to use haraam medications in treating disease.
And Allaah knows best.



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UC...we could swap fatwas all day but in the end I am curious about your position on the subject, not your madhab's

Leena_Cnd
30-04-06, 08:46 PM
:). The poll speeks for itself. .
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~*UC*~
30-04-06, 10:20 PM
I guess my view is implied in that post, and I believe that there is no cure in that which Allah has made forbidden. So, even if I was dying from an illness I would not allow parts of a pig to be transplanted into me..as it would be haraam. Moreover, dying out of hunger is different to dying from a disease..as with disease..it's not the doctor or the 'transplant' or 'pill' that cures a person, it is Allah and you are not guaranteed that this transplant from a pig will actually be a means to cure you, as there are other means available...

Guardian Hijab
30-04-06, 10:22 PM
but we are allowed to consume pork if death is the alternative. The majority of people with porcine implants can live decent lives. It's beyond being a guinea pig
Exactly.

I'd do it.

Leena_Cnd
30-04-06, 11:27 PM
why ?
If human organs are customary,
why would anyone settle for hog parts ?
At any rate, . . . don't forget the anti-rejection drugs
one must take the rest of their life.
The benifits come only to those younger in age.
If it could save, say sharon ? .:rolleyes: . . .
one must use common sense.
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Al-Fateh
01-05-06, 08:47 PM
i am not voting, this is an unrealistic question

i am sorry, but the question is just out there

Akib
02-05-06, 02:53 AM
i didn't even know this was possible!

Ayah
02-05-06, 04:38 AM
UC...we could swap fatwas all day but in the end I am curious about your position on the subject, not your madhab's

I was thinking the same thing exactly. (See below). If it was my only choice, in order to survive, I would go for it. And Allah knows best.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=453&CATE=29 (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=453&CATE=29)

Most Hanafi fuqaha in our times consider gelatin to be an impure substance if derived from pork or an animal not Islamically slaughtered, holding that the change it undergoes from its original state is not sufficient to be considered 'essential transformation' (tabdil al-mahiyya).

As such, gelatin from such sources would be considered filthy (najis).

Therefore, this issues goes back to using impure substances as medicine.

The general ruling is that it is impermissible to use impure substances for medical purposes.

However, as mentioned by Ibn Abidin and others, it is permitted to use impure substances for medical purposes if:

- it is reasonably known that the medicine will be effective, and is needed;
- there is no permissible alternative reasonably available;
- and this has been established by an expert Muslim doctor who is at least outwardly upright, or through part experience, or clear signs (e.g. it is clearly known to one and all that this is the only medical alternative, for example).

And Allah knows best.
Wassalam,
Faraz Rabbani

Ayah
02-05-06, 04:41 AM
i am not voting, this is an unrealistic question

i am sorry, but the question is just out there

Why do you think so? It's a perfectly legitimate question and this type of transplant exists, as far as I know.

~ Ayah

Te'oma
02-05-06, 11:34 PM
The technology exists. Heart valve replacement is of 2 types, mechanical or biological.
Mechanical valves require the patient to take blood thinners for the rest of their lives to prevent blood clots from forming. This precludes anyone that has a history of excessive bleeding or weak livers and kidneys or if they have had problems with clots before.(I'm not talking about problem children here...that's an entirely different subject :p )
Biological valves are either from human or pigs. Human tissue transplants are rare because of donor availability. Besides, if a donor heart becomes available, doctors are loathe to cut up a healthy heart when the entire heart could be used to for a complete transplant. Porcine implants have been done many thousands of times and they are as reliable as human transplants and they do not require immuno suppressing drugs or blood thinners.
Allah has said that there is a cure for every disease except old age. Perhaps this is it. For those that would think that a human implant is superior to a porcine implant, consider this...is it halal to consume human flesh?

anabikr
03-05-06, 02:45 AM
someone deleted my post is this what you call free speech??:torture: :torture: :torture: :torture: :torture: i still think myislam.com is a sack of garbage

Leena_Cnd
03-05-06, 03:43 AM
is it halal to consume human flesh?
Consuming ?:rubeyes:
Shouldn't that be putting to use. (correction)
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I remember one sittuation where during a 'trial' test,
(to see if it could be done)
a baboon heart was transplanted into a child.

The child lived only a short time,only to indure more suffering.
I personally thought the parents were
beasts to put the poor kid .:( through such an ordeal.
I would think more natural proceedures would be welcomed ?
when has a believer crossed the line, . . . to loss faith, and be so desperate ? how about
hair implants, breast, . . . :eek: no need to say any more.

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Te'oma
03-05-06, 05:50 AM
Consuming ?:rubeyes:
Shouldn't that be putting to use. (correction)
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I remember one sittuation where during a 'trial' test,
(to see if it could be done)
a baboon heart was transplanted into a child.

The child lived only a short time,only to indure more suffering.
I personally thought the parents were
beasts to put the poor kid .:( through such an ordeal.
I would think more natural proceedures would be welcomed ?
when has a believer crossed the line, . . . to loss faith, and be so desperate ? how about
hair implants, breast, . . . :eek: no need to say any more.

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Lee I remember the case that you are talking about. It was an experiment to try to buy the child some more time because a suitable donar heart hadn't been found yet. The child was at death's door when they transplanted the heart out of desperation.
This is a life saving procedure that isn't even remotely experimental. It's mainstream medicine and it's accepted as such. Allah created all of the animals, clean and unclean. Why would he have created something that would be of no benefit to anyone?

Leena_Cnd
03-05-06, 06:40 AM
benefit to anyone?
Within reason,
since desperation can lead to poor judgement
adding more grief, suffering and guilt.

Besides, we are here as a test and to serve Allah (swt)
. . . trying to defy mortality at all cost, just doesn't make sense.

~~~
on the flip side,
there are cases as this father who gassed his mentally challenged
daughter.
He was claiming it was to cruel to let her live :rolleyes: .
Guess there will be xtreems in both directions, as some
will rely on emotional desperation rather than Allah (swt)
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Afghan_Knight
22-05-06, 01:57 PM
Why are we so scared of dieing? This life is only a test, what comes after is paradise. I would rather die and wait for entry into paradise then continue this test.

Te'oma
25-10-06, 03:59 AM
*bump*

lao tzu
25-10-06, 04:54 AM
*bump* I'm confused here.

I understand that it's forbidden for muslims to EAT pork, but you're not eating a transplant. For my own part, I'd have no objection if it was necessary, and I have been vegetarian for more than 25 years. I think the poll was created with muslims in mind, though, so I'll refrain from voting.

As ever, Jesse






(OT) p.s. I just installed Firefox 2.0 and *woot* ... the spellchecker is underlining questionably spelled words right in the box, with suggestions popping up on the right-click. Suh-weet!

Qualitex
25-10-06, 05:02 AM
and what's wrong with dying? it's actually give me an excuse to die :D:D:D and a halal one too

Te'oma
25-10-06, 05:40 AM
and what's wrong with dying? it's actually give me an excuse to die :D:D:D and a halal one too

Too die willingly when there is an alternative is suicide and haram IMHO

belal1
25-10-06, 05:45 AM
and what's wrong with dying? it's actually give me an excuse to die :D:D:D and a halal one too

i love life. allah blessed me with a life to live. the least i can do (to show my gratefulness) is use it to worship him until my days come to and end. that day, he too will bless me with. but never will I ask for that day to come. that would be selfish and ungrateful.

*abdullah*
25-10-06, 05:59 AM
i would rather die

Torn.Rose
26-10-06, 07:27 AM
I would no way have a pigs valve to replace my own.

if it were a choice between that and dieing then id submit to Allah's will and know that this is my time and he is calling em to him...after all he hasd made all parts of the swine haraam to us so we would surely be disobeying our Lord if we acceped such a thing. no?

Gorikey
27-06-07, 08:08 PM
Yes, as mentioned previously, there are 2 types of heart valves, mechanical or tissue valves.
as have mentioned before, mechanical are widely used as valve transplant however, those receiving mechanical valves are put on blood-thinning medicine (warfarin) for the rest of their life - therefore the risk of extensive bleeding exists. however, mechanical valves lasts you about 10 years, after which you the person might have died already or may require another new valve placed

however, heart surgeons are moving more to using tissue valves - which yes indeed - is porcine-based, being the most popular - these valves function the same as a mechanical one, but they last a lifetime and does not require any blood-thinning meds whatsoever.... however...... apart from porcine-based valves.... there are bovine-based valves which are taken from cows. i can't quote you a figure how much have been utilised in actual heart valve replacement, but they have been known to exist. the person that could give you a reliable answer would preferably be a Muslim cardiac surgeon.

so, if that is the case, the next questions you'd ask, whether it's ok, if its halal or not? wallahu a'lam...

that is as far as i know.

so if i can give you an answer - i will NEVER allow anyone to put a porcine-based valve in me - i would probably opt for the mechanical one. i'd have to take warfarin for the rest of my life, but then again, if i had survived through the replacement itself, what's a couple of more medication.. many people have survived with it.

znisha
27-06-07, 09:53 PM
Nope, I'd rather die, than to have pigs stuff in me..

perfectpearl
27-06-07, 09:57 PM
Ill ask a scholar

then......................

Chained_Water
27-06-07, 10:10 PM
Ill ask a scholar

then......................
Most sensible bet, there is no point in this "I'd rather die!" or "Yes definately" if you don't know whether it would be permissible or not. If it is permisible, then why would you rather die, and if it isn't then maybe you'd want to know that before deciding to do it.

It doesn't seem as simple as "It's haraam!" ..like bro T'eoma said, in life and death situations haraam can become halaal if it is necessary for your survival. If the transplant is such a situation then surely this principle may apply. It would be wise to consult a reliable scholar about such a predicament (not the local imam, a proper mufti).

bint
27-06-07, 10:25 PM
i would never had a pigs heart put in even if it was my only chance of survival. Allah dislikes pigs..and i do not want a piece of that in my body. InshaAllah i never have to come across or anyone else for that matter, any kind of situation.

Hamza Momand
28-06-07, 06:36 AM
its better to die like a human rather than living like a pig

Sulaiman Harun
29-06-07, 05:46 AM
No way!

Asmara
29-06-07, 11:48 AM
I would get the valve from the pig transplanted into my heart.

-Fady-
29-06-07, 12:01 PM
I'd die...

heaven2002
29-06-07, 02:47 PM
you know if the doctor told me i was dying i dont think id be totally disappointed
a part of me wud be glad
not that im suicidal, dont get the wrong idea!
but then it wud mean theres less chance of me building up my mountain of sin:o
i dont agree with doctors who try and keep a patient alive no matter what
, death comes to us all
its not sumthing we can avoid

heaven2002
29-06-07, 02:50 PM
Why are we so scared of dieing? This life is only a test, what comes after is paradise. I would rather die and wait for entry into paradise then continue this test.

i totally agree

Ottoman
14-07-07, 07:23 PM
What would you do if you went to the doctor tomorrow and discovered that your heart was failing and that your only chance at survival would be to transplant a valve from a pig into your heart? Would you get it done or would you say no and allow yourself to die?
what would YOU do?
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aisha2007
14-07-07, 11:45 PM
Asalaam Alaikum

There is no way I would allow myself to be transplanted with any part of this animal. And that goes also for insulin.
It is haram to eat it...let alone have part of it put inside you....it's crazy to even think about it. And if it is the only option open to you....may it not actually be a test from Allah to determine wether you realise it is your time, and testing your faith? Or is it shaytan offering you an opt out clause? A piece of pig???? Subhanallah....what are you people thinking of?

ADZ w3
15-07-07, 12:22 AM
:salams

id book my first flight out to play football overseas with my last days of life hopeing to spend them in the best way and die spending them in that way!!!

w.salam

assia
15-07-07, 01:26 AM
Asalaam Alaikum

There is no way I would allow myself to be transplanted with any part of this animal. And that goes also for insulin.
It is haram to eat it...let alone have part of it put inside you....it's crazy to even think about it. And if it is the only option open to you....may it not actually be a test from Allah to determine wether you realise it is your time, and testing your faith? Or is it shaytan offering you an opt out clause? A piece of pig???? Subhanallah....what are you people thinking of?

Salaam sis Marsha'Allah sis you made a good point!!!

Sister in islam

aisha2007
16-07-07, 01:59 PM
Salaam sis Marsha'Allah sis you made a good point!!!

Sister in islam

Walaikum Asalaam sister, thank you.

Reptile
16-07-07, 02:15 PM
Its easy to say no if your not in that situation, you are all comfortably alive,

What if you guys were presented with this scenario and were not sure you were the best muslim, would you still refuse and risk going to hell, even for a second?

aisha2007
16-07-07, 02:24 PM
Its easy to say no if your not in that situation, you are all comfortably alive,

What if you guys were presented with this scenario and were not sure you were the best muslim, would you still refuse and risk going to hell, even for a second?


Who are we to decide what type of muslim we are? We can be perorming salat 5 times a day, and following the Sunnah to the best of our ability....does that make us the best muslim? We risk going to hell every day of our lives....and it may well be that no matter what we do, we are still going to the hellfire. It is not for us to know until the day of jusgement. But I would rather stand infront of Allah clear in the knowledge that I have not infected my body with something haram. I do not eat except for halal, I do not drink except for halal, i do not speak and spend my days in anything except as close to halal as I can.......but we all make mistakes may Allah forgive us.
But putting a piece of the pig inside of me when it is the one animal that has been made haram to me???? I think not.
As for saying that it is okay to say that because we are comfortably alive... my father is uncomfortably dying of leaukeamia right at this moment and has only days left open to him.....if they told me he could have a blood transfusion but it was from a pig.....sorry, then my father is dying as Allah intends.

Reptile
16-07-07, 02:51 PM
Who are we to decide what type of muslim we are? We can be perorming salat 5 times a day, and following the Sunnah to the best of our ability....does that make us the best muslim? We risk going to hell every day of our lives....and it may well be that no matter what we do, we are still going to the hellfire. It is not for us to know until the day of jusgement. But I would rather stand infront of Allah clear in the knowledge that I have not infected my body with something haram. I do not eat except for halal, I do not drink except for halal, i do not speak and spend my days in anything except as close to halal as I can.......but we all make mistakes may Allah forgive us.
But putting a piece of the pig inside of me when it is the one animal that has been made haram to me???? I think not.
As for saying that it is okay to say that because we are comfortably alive... my father is uncomfortably dying of leaukeamia right at this moment and has only days left open to him.....if they told me he could have a blood transfusion but it was from a pig.....sorry, then my father is dying as Allah intends.

Our final destination is unknown to us i accept that, but I still believe you have a rough idea if your the best possible muslim you can be this can be judged, if your always praying salat, or on time, how you treat your parents, how you use your time, why you intend to do things, etc

Since one is able to eat pork in dire situation if there is nothing else available then I believe the same could be applied to one having a transplant, Allahu alam

Concerning your Father May Allah grant him jannah firdaws, and make his departure easy, and grant your family sabr during this time (ameen)

aisha2007
16-07-07, 03:24 PM
Our final destination is unknown to us i accept that, but I still believe you have a rough idea if your the best possible muslim you can be this can be judged, if your always praying salat, or on time, how you treat your parents, how you use your time, why you intend to do things, etc

Since one is able to eat pork in dire situation if there is nothing else available then I believe the same could be applied to one having a transplant, Allahu alam

Concerning your Father May Allah grant him jannah firdaws, and make his departure easy, and grant your family sabr during this time (ameen)

I'm sorry but I respectfully disagree. Eating pork in the direst of situations because there is literally nothing available to you is completely different. Not being graphic but nature will take it's course and you will expel it as a waste product, which is something you cannot do with an implant.
I still think that this being open to us is in either the form of a test or as a option given by shaytan.
Why would we be told that this animal and all of its by-product is haram to us, only to then try and convince ourselves that is halal enough to have a piece of it in our body?

As for your regards to my father, I thank you akhi, my father is not muslim, although Alhamdulillah I have managed to get him to recite the first part of shahadah. I can only pray that Allah will look on him kindly.

Reptile
16-07-07, 03:32 PM
To be honest I don't know, i assumed if your in a situation where your dying you would be excused for taking that option i didnt see it as a test from shaytaan but perhaps so Allahu alam

I pray for his guidance, and im sister btw :)

aisha2007
16-07-07, 03:34 PM
To be honest I don't know, i assumed if your in a situation where your dying you would be excused for taking that option i didnt see it as a test from shaytaan but perhaps so Allahu alam

I pray for his guidance, and im sister btw :)


:o sorry sis!!!!!

Reptile
16-07-07, 03:35 PM
:o sorry sis!!!!!


lol im used to it, I guess i have to blame may masculine nickname lol

ummbilal
16-07-07, 03:47 PM
What would you do if you went to the doctor tomorrow and discovered that your heart was failing and that your only chance at survival would be to transplant a valve from a pig into your heart? Would you get it done or would you say no and allow yourself to die?


Is it haram to have a pig part transplanted into you?
if not i'd go for it, if so then no thanks,

Allahu alam

myself
23-07-07, 12:23 PM
What would you do if you went to the doctor tomorrow and discovered that your heart was failing and that your only chance at survival would be to transplant a valve from a pig into your heart? Would you get it done or would you say no and allow yourself to die?

A bit late on this thread...:o

Yes why not...when facing a life threat situation due to hunger, we are allowed to eat (enough) to help us live...

I'm sure scholars will allow such a thing to be acceptable...in order to worship Allah Alone, more. :up:

*hayat*
23-07-07, 01:12 PM
i would never want to be in that situation Godforbid but if i was then simple NO, only because i would not be able to live happily knowing i have a pig heart, and living with unsurity can be difficult,

all the members who are saying no, is it mainly because the animal is pig or is it because it is an animal?

how about a sheep?

Baybars
24-07-07, 03:26 AM
Maybe reluctantly, although I think I'd feel terrible everytime I prayed, performed salaah or even touched the Quran.