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Asalama alaykum dear muslims
briefly growing up i didnt understand why some sisters (both old and young) told me to wear hijab, and to fear ALLAH, without actually asking me the golden question
DO YOU KNOW ALLAH?
The reason why the dawa of some folks is ineffective is because they are preaching the laws first.
i use to think, how can i fear ALLAH if i dont know him? my concept of ALLAH was the one who created me that was about it. so how can i OBEY someone i do not know?
truth is many sisters i spoke to feel the same way.
THE TRUE DAWA of RASOULULAAH SCW
is to attach the hearts to ALLAH first then to introduce the LAWS
"had the messenger of ALLAH came to us with the laws first by ALLAH we would not have listened" AYEESHA
23 years our prophet was a prophet the 1st (10 or 13) he attached their hearts to ALLAH, he taught them about ALLAH, for islam is the only religion whereby ALLAH gives us his full status.
after these years, during the last (13 or 10) the laws came down. in stages.
we need to bring back this forgotton method of DAWA.
attach the hearts of our sisters to ALLAH first, put the laws aside. preaching the laws first had no effect on me, and most sisters, ayeesha confirms such approach is ineffective, ALLAHs wisdom ordered the opposite.
so what makes us muslims of 2006 think it will be effective for our sisters today?
i say bring back muhammed scws dacwa, the same dacwa that bought the early muslims out from darkness into light.
give dacwa to your sisters based on the sunnah
watch the transformation.
attach her heart to ALLAH first, then obeying him will become a pleasure, something she runs to, not a burden she runs from
dont tell her to wear the hijab, first teach her who the one who issued the command is (ALLAH).
Submission
19-04-06, 11:13 AM
:salams
Allhamdulillah. being honest as I try to be lol that has truley inspired me and makes me feel liberated. The truth needs to be told and I think you put it in very good words. I will pass on this message in my college to my peers in a talk Inshallah.
I look forward to mor reply's and Insahllah more posts from you Questy.
Thank you may ALLAH bless you and your family Inshallah.
:lailah:
SubhanAllah.. This is what we lack...
We Muslims nowadays are so much against each other we have forgotten our purpose...
Jazakillahu Khairal Jazaa Fid Darain... :) :up:
submission may ALLAH make it easy for u, and reward u for your efforts.
seriously this dawa is forgotton by many, when acknowledged i found that it actually makes us less judgmental.
for example, when we see stray muslims bearing in mind muhammed scws dawa, the first thought that comes to our minds is this person has no knowledge of their lord. once this thought comes to mind, you will approach that person and u begin by talking about ALLAH, they listen more when the topic is ALLAH as opposed to why they do not obey him etc
i use to blaytantly tell those who preached the law to take their preaching elsewhere, but those that sat by me and talked about ALLAH i felt like hey i should listen this is interesting before i knew it i was initiating such dialogues.
and it was only when i read hadith qudsi's that i started to get to know ALLAH. the more i knew about him, the more i grew to love him, the more i loved him the more i wanted to belong to his party.
this in my opinion is whats meant by "he who comes to me walking i will come to him running"
if we no non can guide but ALLAH, we should encourage the muslim to walk to him, for when ALLAH draws closer to them because they walked. guidance inshahallah comes.
how does one walk to ALLAH?
i went to the Quran, then the hadiths. this person thru walking is seeking knowledge.
now if we tell them to pray wear hijab grow a beard etc first this does nothing. unless the person knows ALLAH with sufficient knowledge
attach the hearts to ALLAH first, for when logic fails to open the mind, compassion opens the heart
ever asked someone to pray and they do not? ever said how come u dont pray and they just stay stuff that dont make sense, or give an empty promise that they will start or say inshahallah may ALLAH guide me?
this person is trying to get rid of u, they have no excuse and in the back of their heads they are wishing u leave them alone, for ignorance is a bliss
trust me i know!
now ever just approached someone and told them an inspirational story, or gave them words of wisdom which they liked then said ALLAH said this?
u will find this person is not only enjoying ur company but they are also asking questions. a moment of silence creeps up, this person is reflecting on what u said, they are now curious about ALLAH, for u have just given them the wake up call that ALLAH has the power to speak. before that they thought ALLAH was just the creator who created us and left us be. to realise he has something to say is an amazing feeling, which results in you wanting to know more about him.
ur approach with the last person is effective because u are teaching them about ALLAH without bringing their shortcomings or laws to the picture.
the first approach was logic (he created u so obey him) this failed to open the mind
the second approach was compassion (Allah is like this but not like that, he said this once, because ,.,,,,)
compassion opens the heart. again trust me i know!
peace
alhamdulillah its the first of the 6 points of dawah we use
correcting our FAITH,condition of the heart and self
inshaallah i will be discussing this and trying to remove some of the misunderstandings directed towards the"tablighi" efforton radio noor sometime this week
this is the very foundation on which all our talks,efforts,are based
alhamdulillah its the first of the 6 points of dawah we use
correcting our FAITH,condition of the heart and self
inshaallah i will be discussing this and trying to remove some of the misunderstandings directed towards the"tablighi" efforton radio noor sometime this week
this is the very foundation on which all our talks,efforts,are based
great, i was not referring solely on the tablighis, i was speaking in the general sense, but some tablighis need to remember this foundation to, when i was a teenager i came up to some in edgware road no idea about ISLAM, i was looking at a book on the veil when i noticed a brother with a mean mug (screw face) whatever u call it, he had a am disapointed in u look on his face, i felt patronised so i chucked the book back with hostility and left, later one of them came after me apologised and said he 2 saw what happened. he gave the stuff i was looking at and said ''remember why u came ova in the 1st place''
moral? there is the good and bad tablighi, then theres just those who have the knowledge but r an able to distribute it with wisdom.
Emelianenko
19-04-06, 05:29 PM
great, i was not referring solely on the tablighis, i was speaking in the general sense, but some tablighis need to remember this foundation to, when i was a teenager i came up to some in edgware road no idea about ISLAM, i was looking at a book on the veil when i noticed a brother with a mean mug (screw face) whatever u call it, he had a am disapointed in u look on his face, i felt patronised so i chucked the book back with hostility and left, later one of them came after me apologised and said he 2 saw what happened. he gave the stuff i was looking at and said ''remember why u came ova in the 1st place''
moral? there is the good and bad tablighi, then theres just those who have the knowledge but r an able to distribute it with wisdom. Aye without a doubt. Mainly with Tablighi bros..u get some who are new and just give dawah the best way they can and they do make mistakes sometimes..but over time alhamdulillah the approach with wisdom kicks in..sadly u get some who never learn tht and remain stern and harsh approach..but the problem wud be if this was never touched upon during their travels...i kno a lot of time wen they r in the mosque themselves the issue of Hikmah and nice approach is touched upon a lot. For example last yr i went and the Ameer did like role play LOL..one bro would talk an experienced bro..the experienced bros job was to be stuck up and harsh and the new brothers job would be to deliver dawah to him and tackle his attitude looool..alhamdulillah it is always being touched upon and stressed on how important it is to convey dawah with Hikmah and to stick to the way of Nabi saw :)
The elder lot i have subhanAllah seen such hikmah tht ive seen both ppl take shahadah due to it and ppls Imaan also being saved..but ill save them incidents for later inshaAllah. Todays youth in Tabligh are lacking that, spending time with the elders to learn from their experience and to let tht wisdom rub off onto them.
emel thanks for that u make some interesting valid points:up:
Abdelrhman
27-12-06, 01:53 AM
:salams
Reviving this VERY important thread!
We go about da'wah the wrong way!
The only true way is how the Prophet :saw: did it!
This is an excellent reminder, :jkk: !
I miss the sister, Quest. She was always good for posts like these. Anyone know how she's doing?
carol_au
27-12-06, 08:00 AM
I do so agree with you.. attach your heart to Allah first
He has said that you can follow all the laws and words but your heart can still be far from Him.
May our hearts never be far from Him .. we owe Him everything.
May our hearts never be far from Him .. we owe Him everything.
ameen
Abdelrhman
27-12-06, 10:24 AM
:salams
It's so true...
Muslims nowadays don't realize (and this is a reminder for myself as well) that you can't simply pray 5 times a day and then fast in Ramadan and give zakah...then do Hajj at one point in your life, and that's it. Islam is an entire way of life, not just following the rules like a robot.
And the only proper way to find the love in your heart for the Islamic way of life (the way God Himself wants us to live) is to find the love in your heart for your Creator and Sustainer, Allah.
May Allah help us find the true love for Him in our hearts, and let nothing come in the way of it.
May Allah strengthen our iman and tawheed and remind us of Him with everything we do.
Abdulah
27-12-06, 11:08 AM
What made me fear Allah was when i read through a part of the Qu'ran not sure whereabouts somewhere in Surah Yunus. It said it is Allah who feeds you and if you think about it is his will whether you are to be fed or not. So fear Allah and thank him everytime you recieve a meal. Allah Akhbar!
T "_"
thanks for the interesting replies guys, glad this thread was successfull alhamdulilaah
AbuMubarak
21-07-07, 01:19 AM
Bismillâhi-r-Rahmâni-r-Rahîm
Al-Hamdulillâhi Was-Salâtu Was-Salâmu 'Alâ Rasűlillâh, Wa Ba'd:
As-Salâmu 'Alaikum Wa Rahmatullâhi Wa Barakâtuh
The Obligation Of The Call And The Duty Of The Caller
Author: Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Saalih al-'Uthaymeen
Source: "As-Sahwatul-Islaamiyyah" (p. 76-77)
Taken From: http://www.calgaryislam.com/ (http://www.calgaryislam.com/)
[Question 1]: Is da'wah (calling) to Allaah obligatory upon every Muslim man or woman, or is it to be left for the Scholars and the students of knowledge only? Is it permissible for the lay person to call to Allaah?
[Answer 1]: When a person has knowledge and insight into that which he is calling to, then there is no difference between the one who has a great amount of knowledge, or a student of knowledge who has recently started in pursuit of knowledge, or a lay person – as long as he has certain knowledge of the issue at hand. The Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: “Convey from me, even if it is one aayah.” [Related by al-Bukhaaree (no. 3461) from 'Abdullaah Ibn 'Amr (radiyallaahu 'anhu).]
So it is not a condition upon the daa'ee (caller) to attain a great amount of knowledge, but the condition is that one must have knowledge of what one is calling to. If this calling is established upon ignorance and passion, then it is not permissible.
Thus, we see that some of the brothers who call to Allaah, they do not have except a little knowledge. We see them, due to their strong emotions, prohibiting that which Allaah has not prohibited, whilst making obligatory that which Allaah has not made obligatory upon his worshippers. This is a very dangerous matter, since permitting what Allaah has made haraam (unlawful) is like prohibiting what Allaah has made halaal (lawful). So when they begin prohibiting people from making a certain matter halaal, then others will rebuke them for making it haraam. Allaah the Most High says:
“And do not say, concerning that which your tongues falsely put forward, ‘This is lawful and this is prohibited,' so as to invent lies against Allaah. Indeed those who invent lies against Allaah will never prosper.” [Sooratun-Nahl 16:116-117]
As for the lay person, then he must not call to Allaah if he does not have knowledge. Rather, it is essential to have knowledge, in accordance to the statement of Allaah the Most High:
“Say: This is my path, I call unto Allaah upon sure knowledge.” [Soorah Yoosuf 12:108]
So it is a must to call to Allaah upon knowledge. However, if a matter is clearly known to be evil or good, then one can command it – if it is good, or prohibit it – if it is evil.
So the callers to Allaah must start with knowledge. Whosoever calls to Allaah without knowledge, then such a person will cause greater harm than good – as is evident. So it is obligatory upon a person to first acquire knowledge, then to give da'wah. As for the clear evils, and that which is clearly good, then the good is enjoined and the evil prohibited. [Taken from as-Sahwatul-Islaamiyyah (p. 75-76) of Shaykh Ibnul-'Uthaymeen, as compiled by 'Alee Aboo Lawz.]
[Question 2]: What is the difference between a Scholar and a daa'ee?
[Answer 2]: The difference between the Scholar and the daa'ee is clear. The daa'ee is the one who strives to convey the message of the Sharee'ah to the servants of Allaah. He calls them, sometimes by means of targheeb and tarheeb (persuation and deterring).
The Scholar is the one to whom Allaah has given knowledge and who may, or may not be a daa'ee. However, if the Scholar is not a daa'ee, then he is extremely deficient in his knowledge, and not a complete inheritor of the Messenger of Allaah sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam). This is because the Prophets ('alayhimus-salaatu was-salaam) did not bequeath the dirham nor the deenaar as inheritance, but they bequeathed knowledge, as the Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said: “Indeed the Scholars are the inheritors of the Prophets, and indeed the Prophets do not leave behind them the deenaar nor the dirham as inheritance. They leave behind only knowledge as inheritance. So whosoever acquires it aqcuires a huge fortune.” [Hasan: Related by Aboo Daawood (no. 3461) and Ibn Maajah (no. 223) from Abud-Dardaa‘ (radiyallaahu 'anhu). It was authenticated by Shaykh al-Albaanee in his checking upon Sharhus-Sunnah (1/276). ]
Consequently, whoever acquires knowledge and calls to Allaah, then such a person has truly inherited from the inheritance of the Prophets – in proportion to what he establishes and implements from their prescribed laws.
As for the saying of some of the people that is is permissible to become du'aat (callers) without knowledge, then if they mean a daa'ee without a huge amount of knowledge, able to give fataawaa (religious verdicts), explain and deduce issues from their proofs – then it is possible to accept this saying. However, if they mean a daa'ee not having knowledge what to give da'wah to, nor having knowledge what to give da'wah with, then there is no doubt that this cannot be. And I warn people from calling to the truth in this manner, since the harm caused is greater than the goodness achieved, as can be seen!
Wa Jazâkum Allâhu Khairan
Wa Billâhi-t-Tawfîq
Akhűkum Fillâh,
Abű Anas
Tameem Bin Jørn Helmer Jørgensen, Ad-Danimârkî
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AbuMubarak
22-07-07, 02:28 PM
Four Principles of Dawah
Texas Muslim Juan Galvan offers his insights on Invitation to Islam.
Earlier this year, I asked a local Imam advice about dawah. He replied, "Sincerity. Intention. Tension. Manners. First, you must be sincere. Your intentions and actions must be only for the sake of God. Expect tension. Have manners."
1. Sincerity
"Say, Verily my prayer, my sacrifice, my living, and my dying are for God, the Lord of the Worlds." (Qur'an 6:162).
All our actions should be acts of worship. Sincerity ensures that your intentions and actions are only for the sake of God. Our actions must not be tainted by our own desires.
The work you're doing doesn't have worldly returns. Don't expect any worldly returns. If you always expect things and are waiting for things, you'll never get work done. You will never the get recognition you deserve. All actions are only to gain pleasure from God.
By ensuring our intentions are purely for God, we free ourselves from expectations of worldly rewards. We don't expect acknowledgement, wealth, anything. We are sacrificing our time purely for the religion without expectations.
"[Do not follow] the lust (of thy heart), for it will mislead thee from the Path of God." (Qur'an 38:26).
Race to do good deeds. Friendly competition benefits everyone. Ultimately, we are on the same side. This attitude helps lessen stress and dangerous levels of competition. Sometimes, you will work with people you neither trust nor admire.
A sincere Muslim does not deny anything that is known by necessity to be part of Islam. We cannot make something Halal that is Haram, or something Haram that is Halal. Sincerely repent after committing sins and avoid telling others to avoid setting a bad example. Sincere Muslims practice their religion and educate themselves.
Sincerity requires consistent actions around others and when alone. Respect and good-manners toward others should be sincere. We must be sincere toward everyone. Sincere Muslims should care about current problems and issues within the entire community. Islam is the true, universal religion of our Creator. God is All-Hearing, All-Knowing, All-Aware.
2. Intention.
Prophet Mohammed http://www.islamfortoday.com/_borders/saws.gif said: "Actions are only by intention, and every man shall only have what he intended." (Al-Bukhari and Muslim). Actions begin with an intention.
Intention gives you direction. Intention also allows you to quantify your actions. Many new Muslims want to help but have no idea where to start. State your intentions in clear terms. Set deadlines when possible.
Intentions guide actions. What actions do you need to take? What are your strengths and weaknesses? What sacrifices will you need to make? Time. Economic. Emotional.
Always, check your intentions. You may need to modify them. Be flexible. Check your intentions for sincerity. First things first. Prioritize. Learn to think in terms of one year, five years, and fifteen years from now.
Educate yourself. You can only teach up to what you know. No more and no less.
Consider whom you befriend. People want you to follow them. Do not blindly follow people. You may never fully trust the people you follow and/or lead. Know when to lead and when to follow.
"To each is a goal to which God turns him; then strive together (as in a race) towards all that is good. Wheresoever ye are, God will bring you together. For God Hath power over all things." (Qur'an 2:148).
Race to do good deeds. Set your intentions. People with similar interests will miraculously enter your life. When you take a step toward God, He will come running toward you.
"Invite (all) to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious..." (Qur'an 16:124).
Analyze people and situations. Consider current knowledge, background, customs, and culture. Avoid using expressions and vocabulary unfamiliar to non-Muslims. Use little Arabic at first.
Begin by teaching the basics. Begin with Tawheed. Tawheed is the "Unification of Lordship, of Worship, and of His Names and Attributes." Don't confuse people. Explain what Tawheed means. We can't isolate ourselves from non-Latino Muslims and non-Muslims.
The three fundamental concepts of Islam are Tawheed, Prophethood, and Day of Judgment. Explain the Pillars of Faith. Explain the Pillars of Islam. Explain common misconceptions about Islam. People think you're a terrorist. Maybe.
3. Tension.
"How many of the prophets fought (in God's way), and with them (fought) large bands of godly men? But they never lost heart if they met with disaster in God's way, nor did they weaken (in will) nor give in. And God loves those who are firm and steadfast." (Qur'an 3:146).
Anyone who gives dawah will experience tension. You will be criticized. The more you do, the more criticism you will get. You will need to give advice, suggestions, and ask questions.
Expect tests and trials. Your patience will be tested. You will make mistakes. Learn from your mistakes. Don't give up. Read your tension. Tension often speaks to you.
Perform an action then leave the results in the hands of God. You can't control everything. God knows best. Patience. Everyone is busy; all the time. Only God knows what's in your heart.
Be committed. Make things happen. Next time, you'll get more volunteers. Remind people. We forget. Time is the most valuable asset you can give. People are your most valuable asset.
Prophet Mohammed http://www.islamfortoday.com/_borders/saws.gif would assign Muslims jobs according to their ability. We will not all be scholars, administrators, or heroes. Do your best with what is available.
"And in no wise covet those things in which God Hath bestowed His gifts more freely on some of you than on others." (Qur'an 4:32).
Don't be a hypocrite. You will be called a hypocrite. Don't burn bridges. You will burn bridges. Consequences come from our behavior. Don't be afraid to make decisions. Get advice and ask questions when appropriate. Listen.
We're on the same side. Seek to empower people rather than making them your slaves. The more you help others, the more they can do for themselves and others. That's freedom for everyone. Seek long-term friendships.
Everyone is a human with feelings and needs. Everyone thinks they are right. Watch your ego. Know when to let go of your pride.
4. Manners.
Abd Allah ibn 'Amr said, "Prophet Mohammed of God, upon him be peace, was never obscene or coarse. Rather, he used to tell us that the best among us were those with the best manners." (Bukhari).
I have emphasized manners throughout the other points.
Bad morals destroy society. People will avoid and humiliate you. No one will like your personality. Avoid people who have bad manners.
"Do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are of kin, neighbors who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess." (Qur'an 4:36).
People who follow the example of prophet Mohammed http://www.islamfortoday.com/_borders/saws.gif attract people. Be a role model. Be wise. Be patient. Be truthful. Be fair. Be courageous. Be considerate. Be just. Be generous. Be compassionate. Be forgiving. Be respectful.
May God guide us all. Surely, God is the best guide.
Juan Galvan
Noor_Usman
22-07-07, 04:52 PM
Asalamalikum.
Mashallah this is very true. I discussed Islam with my partner for just over a year - history and beliefs mainly, until I felt like I was bursting and I just couldn't take it any more. I felt like I had to declare my belief in Islam or I was going to explode through frustration because I accepted everything I'd been told and it all seemed to fit in with my life experiences...in effect I felt like I should declare myself a muslim and to delay any longer was tearing me appart :banghead:
I ended up doing it in a mosque during Ramadan when they were showing non-muslims around to try and enlighten them to what Islam was :inlove: I'd already been fasting all through Ramadan with my husband ;) He was meant to have taken me but he couldn't get the time off work so one of the brothers he knew that was helping run the event had promised to keep an eye on me.
Well I felt really left out because no one else seemed to have a clue about Islam and were wandering around like it was a museum, so I started discussing with this brother and another (there were very few sisters there at this time tbh...and a lady who they already knew decided to convert very early on in the event so I think they all ran off with her :rolleyes::up:) Anyway I was saying how I believed but I was worried that I still did so many bad things that I'd just end up being a bad muslim if I converted before I'd changed my life.
And one of the brothers told me then that he really admired reverts/converts and that they were truely the blessed ones because they decided to throw their whole way of living and thinking out of the door to make room for Allah and his messanger and declare their belief in Islam. They'd be forgiven for every sin they'd already done and they'd cherish their religion more than most born muslims :) He also told me that no one is perfect, muslim or not and that to convert first and then start to better myself to be what a true muslim should be, step-by-step, was the best way.
Well while we were discussing they started saying the only thing I needed to know was the kulma and started to recite it for me (to teach me lol ;) ) and I already knew the kulma and said it outloud in front of both of them and everyone within ear shot, both in arabic and english :shock: You should have seen the massive surprised grins on their faces! :rotfl::rotfl: Mashallah! And then they insisted that I truely was a sister :inlove: And told everyone they knew running the event for the rest of the evening:D They told my husband when he picked me up to go home and he was a little shock lol because he'd kept warning me not to convert until I understood the changes that I'd have to make, especially conerning the roles of a wife :rolleyes:
*sorry for the long post!!!* but there was a point to it :up: What I'm trying to say is that, that's the way it happened. The love and belief coming first. I used to cry listening to nasheeds when I heard our Prophets name mentioned :inlove: Then come the rules...and you spend years trying to learn them and act on them. I'm still learning now and inshallah in a few years time I will MUCH MUCH better. But I continue to expand my knowledge all the time.
I feel so sad when I see sisters being pressured to start living by all the rules as soon as they convert. It really scares them and it would have scared me too! :( There is so much to learn all at once! And with the massive confidence it some times takes to declare their belief I'm not surprised some of them then feel like they are just bad muslims instead :(
Sometimes I feel like a bad muslim because I am not learning as quickly as I think I should. But then I remember we all have our limitations and individual spiritual potentials and I just make sure that I am constantly learning and doing readings :)
Arsalan
22-07-07, 05:02 PM
Apparently the all new method of giving dawah to the kuffar, is appeasement of those who slander and belittle our Prophet Saaw....
:rubeyes::vomit::vomit::vomit::vomit:
AbuMubarak
22-07-07, 05:38 PM
i think you have a point there
it seems that if you approach them with straight truth, muslims accuse you of being harsh
but if you accept their lies on islam, you are looked at as being compassionate
i think you have a point there
it seems that if you approach them with straight truth, muslims accuse you of being harsh
but if you accept their lies on islam, you are looked at as being compassionate
no...you approach them with the truth...you don't beat them over the head with it and belittle them if they don't get it right off the hop
no...you approach them with the truth...you don't beat them over the head with it and belittle them if they don't get it right off the hop
But that would rather diminish the entirely satisfying sense of self-importance and self-righteousness, wouldn't it?
But that would rather diminish the entirely satisfying sense of self-importance and self-righteousness, wouldn't it?
Be very careful Cash, those are my brothers and sisters. I don't appreciate my words being used as a slam against them
Be very careful Cash, those are my brothers and sisters. I don't appreciate my words being used as a slam against them
Loyalty is all well and good, but the deal is that once a snotty, belligerent tone has been established as the standard, it becomes the standard for everyone.
It used to be that a snotty, belligerent tone was tolerated as long as it was Muslims addressing non-Muslims.
Next up, it became OK for the more orthodox Muslims to address the more "liberal" Muslims in that way.
Now it's completely tolerated even for orthodox Muslims addressing other orthodox Muslims. Just the other day, for no apparent reason, one of our more orthodox members tore into one of our most pious, humble, and knowledgeable orthodox participants. It was really unpleasant.
It's also interesting to note that as this snotty, belligerent tone has become accepted as the standard, the amount and quality of Islamic knowledge shared in this forum has dropped dramatically.
AbuMubarak
23-07-07, 08:29 AM
what are you talking about?
who tore into whom?
what are you talking about?
who tore into whom?
A guilty conscience?
You weren't involved, anyway.
But I'm surprised you missed it, as it went on and on and on...
AbuMubarak
23-07-07, 09:00 AM
not guilty
i dont see all
not guilty
i dont see all
That's sort of the problem, isn't it?
By virtue of your authority, you've established as certain tone as the standard for this forum. I think it could be fairly characterized as a snotty, belligerent tone.
But you really do fail to see, much less take responsibility for, the impact this tone has had throughout the forum.
You are most welcome to comfort yourself by saying, "Well, it's only the kufaar and the wishy-washy liberal Muslims who don't appreciate my tone."
And while that may comfort you, it's not true.
There are any number of completely pious, humble, and knowledgeable orthodox Muslims who no longer participate here because discourse has become snotty and belligerent.
AbuMubarak
23-07-07, 09:14 AM
i guess you couldnt find the post
i guess you couldnt find the post
I can find it without any problem.
But you're the Big Man in Charge.
UmmahForum is your baby. I wouldn't want to do anything that would seem to undercut your authority.
AbuMubarak
23-07-07, 09:21 AM
when you find it, let me know
Z-Blade
25-09-07, 02:10 AM
:salams,
Subhanallah, wonderful thread, the sister knows her stuff mashaAllah :). Indeed, this is true and even Yasir Qadhi said something similar to this one one of his talks.
But he was talking about inviting kufar to Islam, not other non-practicing Muslims :p.
Wassalam.
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