Niqaab Brothers????

[Abu Mus'ab]

I hate it when old threads get bumped..

I got no idea what I was going on about..
well apparently you were on about what the mans intention is, does he want you to wear a niqaab for himself or does he want you to wear the niqaab for Allah subhanhu wa ta'aala, and that basically sums up this massive thread *Roll Eyes*

[$HugoBoss$]

If my future wife wears hijab it's more than good enough :up:

[umm_huraiyrah]

well first of all , it should be done for Allah (swt) , but u HAVE to do it if ur husband tells u too , its an extra ibaadah and plus those that take the opinion that its sunnah not fardh , well , what ever ur husband tells u to do , that is permissable (not haram) u gotta do it , as it becomes waajib on u ...

What if hubby want's you to quit wearing the hijab and/or niqqab?

Habiba

[Muhammad2]

Is he in a hospital?

If so does he have his own room there?

Because if the answer to Q1 is yes and the answer to Q2 is no then when was the last time the poor guy saw your face? :(

[ur_yusra]

What if hubby want's you to quit wearing the hijab and/or niqqab?

Habiba

If he tells you to take off your hijab you are not allowed to do it since there is no obedience to the husband if it means disobedience to Allah (SWT).. :)

Is he in a hospital?

If so does he have his own room there?

Because if the answer to Q1 is yes and the answer to Q2 is no then when was the last time the poor guy saw your face? :(

All hospitals I know of have a curtain which you can draw around for privacy.

[Zesty]

InshaAllah it should be about hayaa in general not just your outer appearance and whether youre wearing a niqab or not. People need to purify their inside, soften their heart to Islam and the love of Allah (swt). Forcing someone to do something (no matter how beautiful your intention may be) is in my opinion wrong. They never understand the significance of it and instead may even resent you for it. Alhamdullilah when you do something for the love of Allah, and for the sake of Allah- you understand why youre doing it and you automatically have this love for it. This comes with everything- wearing hijab, niqab, why you pray salaah, gaining more knowledge about the deen etc

There's a danger here of insinuating that women who wear hijab/niqaab (and who men will force their wife to wear hijab) are somehow deemed more modest and pure and to have more haya. I assure you, i have seen non-hijabi women who are more modest than some niqaabis i know. Again, i dont want to generalise or pass judgement on anyone (thats not my right) -Allah knows what is in our hearts and inshaAllah when our intentions will turn into action- which i accept is a big part of being a muslim, but we should remember that even if youre not imposing your views on someone and instead view it as "encouragment," then that should also be done with kindness, gentleness, patience and love as should be the case in a husband wanting his wife to wear niqaab because he loves her and because he wants to protect her- as Allah has commanded of him as part of his duty to his wife :)

[bint]

If my future wife wears hijab it's more than good enough :up:


U shud NEVER EVER say that...:torture:

[Zesty]

U shud NEVER EVER say that...:torture:

Why not binty? Maybe it is enough for him- maybe he does not believe the niqaab is fard, maybe he believes that he can love his wife and protect her without believeing that every single man out there who see's her face is lusting after her?
*shrug*

[bint]

Why not binty? Maybe it is enough for him- maybe he does not believe the niqaab is fard, maybe he believes that he can love his wife and protect her without believeing that every single man out there who see's her face is lusting after her?
*shrug*


he said that the hijab shud be enough.

what about the jilbab?:)

i belive the niqaab is fardh..but that sbesides the point!

hijab isnt enough.

[Zesty]

he said that the hijab shud be enough.

what about the jilbab?:)

i belive the niqaab is fardh..but that sbesides the point!

hijab isnt enough.

JIlbaab is worn because it loose and modest etc right?
Sooo why cant his wife wear modest dress (i,e, loose clothing where her figure etc cannot be seen in any way)? and just also wear the hijab?

[Abu Mus'ab]

U shud NEVER EVER say that...:torture:
Yeah 100 lashes *Roll Eyes*

[summer786]

he said that the hijab shud be enough.

what about the jilbab?:)

i belive the niqaab is fardh..but that sbesides the point!

hijab isnt enough.

hmmm well that can be seen as a matter of opinion...:coolsis:

[bint]

JIlbaab is worn because it loose and modest etc right?
Sooo why cant his wife wear modest dress (i,e, loose clothing where her figure etc cannot be seen in any way)? and just also wear the hijab?


zesty..ure going too much into the topic..theres been lots of threads on here about what a jilbab shud consist of..tbh i cant work my mind to debating this issue..

so what ill do is search the links and post it on here:up:

[Zesty]

zesty..ure going too much into the topic..theres been lots of threads on here about what a jilbab shud consist of..tbh i cant work my mind to debating this issue..

so what ill do is search the links and post it on here:up:

:) dont worry bints- feel free to post the links, i was only questioning your stance on saying "hijab isnt enough." I guess thats a subjective thing to say and thats all im getting at. LIke i said- you cant force people or impose your views on them (not that im suggesting youre doing that). If he thinks hijab is enough for his wife then so be it.

[bint]

i have said time an time again..im not enforcing my opinions..but i will say what i believe in..

[Zesty]

i have said time an time again..im not enforcing my opinions..but i will say what i believe in..

lol. why you getting so defensive for? I already said that in my post didnt i? I know you dont impose your views but will state what you believe in- and thats absolutely fine. Thats the whole point of a forum :)

[bint]

zesty i had to make that statement so OTHER people dont feel im enforcing me opinions on them..
it was like that on another thread so i added the above part on..hey ure the one that reminded me :p

okay so the links here they are..

This is Salmans Thread it starts of with a hadeeth
http://ummah.net/forum/showthread.php?p=773692

Then theres Niqaabis thread (a discussion)shud help..
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81451&highlight=modesty+jilbab

and this is one is Abu Mubaraks thread..i think where he mentions the hands n feet its not required in hanafee (thats if ure hanafi)
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5657&highlight=modesty+jilbab

Have fun

[Muhammad2]

I wouldn't settle for anything less than the full three ply niqab, jilbab and gloves.

Form an orderly line ladies ;)

[Medievalist]

Nothing wrong in a man wanting his wife to cover cos he doesnt want other men looking at her - its part of his ghayrah and further its also a shari' hukum anyway.

Alhamdulillah some men are lucky enough to have brides who conceal everything - eyes and hands included.

[Kubs]

I respect sisters who put on the niqab but I personally don’t think it is required.

I’d discuss this issue with the guy I’m going to marry beforehand, to avoid complications after marriage. I’d tell him that I wont be wearing the nikab in the future and according to that it’s up to him whether he chooses to marry me or not.

However if he agrees to what I said but later on (after marriage) changes his mind….well then I wouldn’t be too happy. I won’t go crazy, I’d just say ‘no’. If he insists I’d disagree and explain my reasons. If he tries to force me I’d have no choice but to divorce him. Simple.

Though I doubt any man would agree to something only to change his mind later on after the wedding.

[Medievalist]

I’d have no choice but to divorce him. Simple.


:rotfl:

who has ever heard of a woman divorcing a man? its impossible!!

[Kubs]

:rotfl:

who has ever heard of a woman divorcing a man? its impossible!!

lol......Impossible?

[ur_yusra]

I respect sisters who put on the niqab but I personally don’t think it is required.

I’d discuss this issue with the guy I’m going to marry beforehand, to avoid complications after marriage. I’d tell him that I wont be wearing the nikab in the future and according to that it’s up to him whether he chooses to marry me or not.

However if he agrees to what I said but later on (after marriage) changes his mind….well then I wouldn’t be too happy. I won’t go crazy, I’d just say ‘no’. If he insists I’d disagree and explain my reasons. If he tries to force me I’d have no choice but to divorce him. Simple.

Though I doubt any man would agree to something only to change his mind later on after the wedding.

Sis if he tells you to wear niqaab then you have to do it and you cannot obtain khula on those grounds... besides the wives of Rasullallah (SAW) covered their faces so its a beautiful thing to do.

[Medievalist]

A woman can sue for khula, she can divorce herself, she can ask for faskh but no where in Islaam has a woman ever divorced her husband. Its a technical impossibility.

For example even in those instances where the husband gives the right to divorce - reading the books of fiqh will show that she is given the right to divorce herself (from her husband), not divorce her husband. Its literally IMPOSSIBLE for a man to get divorced :rotfl:

[Zesty]

I respect sisters who put on the niqab but I personally don’t think it is required.

I’d discuss this issue with the guy I’m going to marry beforehand, to avoid complications after marriage. I’d tell him that I wont be wearing the nikab in the future and according to that it’s up to him whether he chooses to marry me or not.

However if he agrees to what I said but later on (after marriage) changes his mind….well then I wouldn’t be too happy. I won’t go crazy, I’d just say ‘no’. If he insists I’d disagree and explain my reasons. If he tries to force me I’d have no choice but to divorce him. Simple.

Though I doubt any man would agree to something only to change his mind later on after the wedding.

:eek: you'd seriously divorce him?!!? im not particularly keen on the niqaab idea but if i loved him and he explained his reasons and i could see that they were genuine and sincere- i'd wear it! (Thats a massive deal on my part- but honestly if i loved him soo much and he wanted me to wear it for the sake of Allah i'd wear it and obey him).

[Kubs]

Sis if he tells you to wear niqaab then you have to do it and you cannot obtain khula on those grounds... besides the wives of Rasullallah (SAW) covered their faces so its a beautiful thing to do.

It is a beautiful thing but I don't think it is necessary. There is a difference of opinions regarding the nikab, I don't think it is required - I don't want to wear it. He has to respect my decision.

Like I mentioned before, I'd discuss this issue with him before marriage to avoid complications. I'm not going to force him to marry me...:rolleyes: If he married me then surely he accepted me just the way I am (with only the scarf). He'd have to live with it or........

[ur_yusra]

A woman can sue for khula, she can divorce herself, she can ask for faskh but no where in Islaam has a woman ever divorced her husband. Its a technical impossibility.

For example even in those instances where the husband gives the right to divorce - reading the books of fiqh will show that she is given the right to divorce herself (from her husband), not divorce her husband. Its literally IMPOSSIBLE for a man to get divorced :rotfl:

Yes but when he gets divorce.. say through the route of khula for wife beating or whatever.. he's classed a divorcee in that if he wants to marry again.. he will obviously have to tell the potential hes divorced.

[Medievalist]

Yes but when he gets divorce.. say through the route of khula for wife beating or whatever.. he's classed a divorcee in that if he wants to marry again.. he will obviously have to tell the potential im divorced.

These are mere words. In khula - he RELEASES her.

In words in english fulaan is a divorcee but islamically a man is never a divorcee cos he never gets divorced.

[ur_yusra]

These are mere words. In khula - he RELEASES her.

In words in english fulaan is a divorcee but islamically a man is never a divorcee cos he never gets divorced.

Well technically he doesnt release her.. she has released herself from him.

[Zesty]

Well technically he doesnt release her.. she has released herself from him.

Its ok, med likes being pedantic ;)

[perfectpearl]

Isn't the womens choice to wear it. Its suppose to come from the heart and nothing else. If i a women doesn't want to wear it then its her choice. Her husband shudnt force her to wear it.

[ummbilal]

Nothing wrong in a man wanting his wife to cover cos he doesnt want other men looking at her - its part of his ghayrah and further its also a shari' hukum anyway.

Alhamdulillah some men are lucky enough to have brides who conceal everything - eyes and hands included.

i do not believe niqaab is fard, but i'd like to wear it inshaallah,

maybe u should try spending a few hours on a hot day with 3 layer niqaab and gloves on to see how it is, its very easy for u to say my wife will do xy and z but do u realise it means u will have to make serious allowences for her??

[Medievalist]

Well technically he doesnt release her.. she has released herself from him.

no - he releases her because he takes a portion of mahr back in return for issuing her freedom.

[Medievalist]

i do not believe niqaab is fard, but i'd like to wear it inshaallah,

maybe u should try spending a few hours on a hot day with 3 layer niqaab and gloves on to see how it is, its very easy for u to say my wife will do xy and z but do u realise it means u will have to make serious allowences for her??

no offence but I dont appreciate third parties involving themselves in my marital life - when I want your advice I'll ask for it :salams

[Kubs]

It's the womens choice to wear it. Its suppose to come from the heart and nothing else. If i a women doesn't want to wear it then its her choice. Her husband shudnt force her to wear it.

:up:

Otherwise it wouldn't be genuine if her husband forced her to put it on.

[ur_yusra]

no - he releases her because he takes a portion of mahr back in return for issuing her freedom.

If he was beating her I'm sure she'd be happy to give it all back.. :rolleyes: and she is still freeing herself from him although you don't like to believe it.

[ummbilal]

no offence but I dont appreciate third parties involving themselves in my marital life - when I want your advice I'll ask for it :salams


mashallah brother i wasnt trying to meddle at all, your marriage is your business not mine i was simply asking the brothers to appriciate how hard it is to wear niqaab all the time, its a wonderful thing that sisters do and i am seriously thinking of doing it inshaallah to strenghthen my islam.

there is no need to be so rude.

[Medievalist]

If he was beating her I'm sure she'd be happy to give it all back.. :rolleyes: and she is still freeing herself from him although you don't like to believe it.

tomaato tomayto :rolleyes:

u just playing with words.

:salams

[ur_yusra]

no offence but I dont appreciate third parties involving themselves in my marital life - when I want your advice I'll ask for it :salams

:rotfl:

[Nazias]

maybe u should try spending a few hours on a hot day with 3 layer niqaab and gloves on to see how it is, its very easy for u to say my wife will do xy and z but do u realise it means u will have to make serious allowences for her??

:rubeyes: it's not punishment! and I am sure the possibilities in the aakhira are a big enough reason to do so Fisabilillah!

[bint]

Im going to get me hubby to wear niqaab.:embar:

[Kubs]

:rubeyes: it's not punishment! and I am sure the possibilities in the aakhira are a big enough reason to do so Fisabilillah!

God, people are taking Ummbilals words very seriously. She was merely saying that brothers should and MUST appreciate sisters who wear the nikab/hijab/abayah despite weathers being very hot. I agree with her.

[Umm 'Umarah]

i do not believe niqaab is fard, but i'd like to wear it inshaallah,

maybe u should try spending a few hours on a hot day with 3 layer niqaab and gloves on to see how it is, its very easy for u to say my wife will do xy and z but do u realise it means u will have to make serious allowences for her??

Sister it's not as hot as it seems. abaya's and hijabs are light and airy, and less exposure to direct sunlight means the heat won't have much of an affect.

It may seem difficult for an onlooker to grasp the beauty of Niqaab, with taqwa..it becomes easy and part of a person's way of life.

[bint]

Sister it's not as hot as it seems. abaya's and hijabs are light and airy, and less exposure to direct sunlight means the heat won't have much of an affect.

It may seem difficult for an onlooker to grasp the beauty of Niqaab, with taqwa..it becomes easy and part of a person's way of life.


i second that.

kamz..dont u love wearing the niqaab? :p:hidban:

[Nazias]

God, people are taking Ummbilal words very seriously. She was merely saying that brothers should and MUST appreciate sisters who wear the nikab/hijab/abayah despite weathers being very hot. I agree with her.

But the weather is not a reason to not cover. If you felt you're not ready or due to your niyatt is different but the weather :scratch:

Just as an off point, not aimed at anyone regardless of whether they cover or not as I am not here to judge or condemn as Allah(swt) is the best and only judge... but I'm thinking jahnam would be hotter.

[Medievalist]

Thats because it appeared to me to be directed to me :scratch:

its very easy for u to say my wife will do xy and z but do u realise it means u will have to make serious allowences for her

forgive me - but that appears to be specific unless I misunderstood and I dont like people making assumptions or doing dakhl andaazi - really does annoy me quite a great deal. thank you

[heaven2002]

if u wear jilbaab u can wear something very light underneath so that u dont feel hot
although i can understand that covering ur face on a very hot day in a very hot country could be hard for some people
it can be hard covering (scarf or face or full body)when ur not used to it as everyone has different experiences and support
may Allah grant all women strength to cover themselves and protect their modesty

[Kubs]

But the weather is not a reason to not cover. If you felt you're not ready or due to your niyatt is different but the weather :scratch:

Just as an off point, not aimed at anyone regardless of whether they cover or not as I am not here to judge or condemn as Allah(swt) is the best and only judge... but I'm thinking jahnam would be hotter.

Pleeeease stop misinterpreting what I say. :rubeyes:

Yes a WOMAN must wear the scarf even if the weather is boiling - I'm not denying that. It would be nice though if a husband came up to his wife and said, ''I think you are wonderful for wearing the scarf, despite the weather being very hot.''

It's called being appreciated and understood.

:)

[Al-Irhaab]

Isn't the womens choice to wear it. Its suppose to come from the heart and nothing else. If i a women doesn't want to wear it then its her choice. Her husband shudnt force her to wear it.

why shld he have to force her???

wots the world coming to when the husband has to force the wife to wear niqaab... she shld want to do it... and if she dont want to do it.. she shld do it if her husband asks her to do it... and if shes dumb that she still dont do it when her husband asks her to do it then obviously if her husband says u got to do it then shes got to do it... wots the difficulty :rolleyes:

[Al-Irhaab]

if u wear jilbaab u can wear something very light underneath so that u dont feel hot
although i can understand that covering ur face on a very hot day in a very hot country could be hard for some people
it can be hard covering (scarf or face or full body)when ur not used to it as everyone has different experiences and support
may Allah grant all women strength to cover themselves and protect their modesty

i dont get that.... cus when its hot ur more inclined to cover ur face :scratch:

when i was in makkah mashallah and not in ihram i used to wear the saudi turban thing and i would make it drape so it covered a lof of my face.... keeps u cool :D

[Umm 'Umarah]

i second that.

kamz..dont u love wearing the niqaab? :p:hidban:

I do yeah..Alhamdulillah :love:

but people make it awkward sometimes..I don't know if it's innocent or what but just cos i'm wearing a niqaab doesn't mean I can't speak at all.

how do you find it? whats the most difficult thing?

[Peacenik]

Trying to run in it.

[Medievalist]

Its interesting you mention saudia cos I was just thinking that when in saudia a thought struck me and that was that for the saudis the only difference generally between what a man shows in public and a woman is the face and hands!!

The man wears the thobe and the ghutrah and only thing left open is his hands and the front of his face. interesting hmmmmmmmm

[Nazias]

for the saudis the only difference generally between what a man shows in public and a woman is the face and hands!!

The man wears the thobe and the ghutrah and only thing left open is his hands and the front of his face. interesting hmmmmmmmm

I never thought of it that way, though some times me and my husband look like we got his and hers on when he wears black a thoub :o

[Umm 'Umarah]

Trying to run in it.

the question was addressed to binty.

please refrain from sharing your fantasies of donning women's attire.

[Kubs]

Can someone please explain why men have to wear trousers above their ankles? What is the purpose?

[Umm 'Umarah]

I never thought of it that way, though some times me and my husband look like we got his and hers on when he wears black a thoub :o

Aww, Masha'Allah :inlove: so cute.

[ur_yusra]

Aww, Masha'Allah :inlove: so cute.

lol.. yeah.. thowbs are sooo nice.

[Medievalist]

Can someone please explain why men have to wear trousers above their ankles? What is the purpose?

obedience to the Messenger of ALLAH :saw:

[Kubs]

obedience to the Messenger of ALLAH :saw:

Anyone care to explain WHY above the ankle?

[Nazias]

Aww, Masha'Allah :inlove: so cute.

I quite like it! I'm always like "wow, we got his and hers on! that's so cool" and he does this :rolleyes: and thinks I'm :wacko: but Alhumdulillah, in a good way! :D

[Peacenik]

the question was addressed to binty.

please refrain from sharing your fantasies of donning women's attire.

Boy, what a sicko...

:)

[ur_yusra]

obedience to the Messenger of ALLAH :saw:

Do brothers have to keep their ankles uncovered all the time or just during salaah?

[Peacenik]

Can someone please explain why men have to wear trousers above their ankles? What is the purpose?

Money could be a factor here...

[Medievalist]

Anyone care to explain WHY above the ankle?

primarily because its the command of the Nabi :saw:

secondary factors are the benefits that we are aware of such as the fact that there is a nerve which extends down the back of ankle - which if continually stimulated causes problems for a mans potency.

also it is purer for ones clothing.

a sign of humility

but primarily we submit to the wisdom of Sayyidina Nabi :saw:

[Kubs]

Money could be a factor here...

:rolleyes:

[Medievalist]

Do brothers have to keep their ankles uncovered all the time or just during salaah?

all times

[Kubs]

primarily because its the command of the Nabi :saw:

secondary factors are the benefits that we are aware of such as the fact that there is a nerve which extends down the back of ankle - which if continually stimulated causes problems for a mans potency.

also it is purer for ones clothing.

a sign of humility

but primarily we submit to the wisdom of Sayyidina Nabi :saw:

Jazakallah for the explanation.

[Medievalist]

Jazakallah for the explanation.

wasnt much of an explanation but barakallahu feek.

[ur_yusra]

all times

Are you serious..?

So if a brother covers his ankles he is committing a sin?

Coz I hardly see any bros having their ankles uncovered.. what about socks?

[Umm 'Umarah]

Boy, what a sicko...

:)

don't talk about yourself like that.

sheesh! some people and their self -esteem.

:)

[bint]

I do yeah..Alhamdulillah :love:

but people make it awkward sometimes..I don't know if it's innocent or what but just cos i'm wearing a niqaab doesn't mean I can't speak at all.

how do you find it? whats the most difficult thing?


how do i find it?

i thin theres alot of pressure sometimes..im the only one in me family that wears it apart from another so its hard..i guess..:S
ive had alot crap from people cos i started to wear it..my dad didnt want me to wear it..but hes grown warm to the idea..i guess it comes to u slowly..:S

difficult thing? this si soooo annoyng!!!

EVRYTIME I WALK INTO TOWN ALONE..I GET **** FROM NONMUSLIM GUYS..EITHER FOLLOWING ME OR THEM TAUNTING ME..but i guess that makes me a tad stronger..it still feels crap tho..:(

[Nazias]

i thin theres alot of pressure sometimes..im the only one in me family that wears it apart from another so its hard..i guess..:S
ive had alot crap from people cos i started to wear it..my dad didnt want me to wear it..but hes grown warm to the idea..i guess it comes to u slowly..:S

Me too and that's exactly how it was for me too and Alhumdulillah, everyone is fine with it!

[Medievalist]

Are you serious..?

So if a brother covers his ankles he is committing a sin?

Coz I hardly see any bros having their ankles uncovered.. what about socks?

what is required is to have the ankles uncovered from the trousers.

socks are permitted overcourse and can cover the ankles. the meaning of isbaal is to have ones shalwar/trouser/lunghi above the ankles.

yes he is sinful. And enough brothers have establish isbaal - where do u live some scottish village or summat? :rolleyes:

[Umm 'Umarah]

I do too..that's why I hardly go out unless I really have to..and I ask my brother to take me....I find it easier going shopping out of town than I do in my hometown, that's why I think it's important to drive- you leave your house get in your car, do your stuff, get in your car again and go home. on foot there are more people about more youth and people see you more, takes longer to get around- a huge hassle.

[muslima_89]

niqab for me is the best thing i did...its hard at first but then u get used to it..ladies remember the more trouble u get with ur niqab the bigger the Reward :D so dont give up that wt keeps me going :)

[ur_yusra]

what is required is to have the ankles uncovered from the trousers.

socks are permitted overcourse and can cover the ankles. the meaning of isbaal is to have ones shalwar/trouser/lunghi above the ankles.

yes he is sinful. And enough brothers have establish isbaal - where do u live some scottish village or summat? :rolleyes:

I don't live in a scottish village but perhaps it comes down to the fact that I don't look..

Just I haven't seen specific brothers implement it..

Never mind.

[Umm 'Umarah]

I don't live in a scottish village but perhaps it comes down to the fact that I don't look..

Just I haven't seen specific brothers implement it..

Never mind.

:rotfl:

[Muhammad2]

What's a ghutrah?

[bint]

yeah i did forget to mention that wearing the niqaab was the best evr thingamajig ive done..but err..

nah ill keep the rest of the thoughts to myeself :embar:

[bint]

What's a ghutrah?
i thinkits the red scarf checked one that saudis wear.

[Medievalist]

:scratch:

you said u dont look but first you mentioned Coz I hardly see any bros having their ankles uncovered.. what about socks?

:scratch:

[ur_yusra]

yeah i did forget to mention that wearing the niqaab was the best evr thingamajig ive done..but err..

nah ill keep the rest of the thoughts to myeself :embar:

See you in the ladies section then :rolleyes: :p

[bint]

See you in the ladies section then :rolleyes: :p


oh sheesh naww u cant do this to me man :nervous:

:smack:

[Muhammad2]

i thinkits the red scarf checked one that saudis wear.
Ah right.

I have one of those. Only I thought they were called keffiyahs.

[ur_yusra]

:scratch:

you said u dont look but first you mentioned

:scratch:

Yeh I realised the fact I didn't notice must come down to the fact that I don't look.. hence I gave brothers the benefit of the doubt..

Something I rarely do.. a moment to savour..

[Medievalist]

deleted.

[ur_yusra]

but u didnt give the benefit of the doubt you said: Coz I hardly see any bros having their ankles uncovered.. what about socks?

which means you assumed they covered their ankles in contravention of the sunnah command. hence what is that above post having a sly go at me all about when your own words are saying exact same thing abt you :scratch:

No I didn't I spoke.. then thought about it later..

[Medievalist]

No I didn't I spoke.. then thought about it later..

Something women do quite alot.

k -:salaams

[Peacenik]

sheesh! some people and their self -esteem.

:)

I know, Kamilah.

;)

[bint]

I know, Kamilah.

;)
wil u just leave her alone?

why do u like picking on girls?

[Peacenik]

Bint, lighten up.

:)

[bint]

Bint, lighten up.

:)
ill lighten up as soon as soon as u stop picking on small things.

[Abu Muslim]

If my wife asked me to wear a niqaab, I dont think I would. Oh wait, wrong question.

[Peacenik]

Bint, stay on topic please.

Thank you.

[bint]

If my wife asked me to wear a niqaab, I dont think I would. Oh wait, wrong question.

:rotfl:

[bint]

Bint, stay on topic please.

Thank you.
shud have thought about that sooner..Mister!

[Peacenik]

shud have thought about that sooner..Mister!

Exactly.

:)

[Umm 'Umarah]

Bint, stay on topic please.

Thank you.

ur a whole topic in yourself open a seperate thread please...oh wait last time you did that... one thread got taken away and the other got deleted.

:rotfl:

[bint]

ur a whole topic in yourself open a seperate thread please...oh wait last time you did that... one thread got taken away and the other got deleted.

:rotfl:
:rotfl:

exactly!..threads wont be polluted by likes of peacenik.:D

[Peacenik]

ur a whole topic in yourself open a seperate thread please...oh wait last time you did that... one thread got taken away and the other got deleted.

:rotfl:

You're getting it, Kamilah ;)

[ibn suleman]

I just wondered..

How many bros would want their wives to wear niqaab after marriage.. or even if you are already married.. do u want your wife to wear the niqaab (face veil)..??

Reasons will be appreciated..

I also want to know from sisters.. if your husband wanted you to wear niqaab would you wear it? or would you rebel?

hijab would be absolute must..as for niqaab...hmmm depends...

[Umm 'Umarah]

You're getting it, Kamilah ;)

Peacenik, brother be honest..is this a cry for attention? Is your psychiatrist doing you no good? would you like me or binty to speak on your behalf to get you a referral back to your old one? you really don't have to play up to us...all you have to do is ask us.:)

[Muhammad2]

If you were travelling through the desert, in an open top vehicle or on a riding animal, a face covering would be a very good idea.

Regardless of gender.

[bint]

hijab would be absolute must..as for niqaab...hmmm depends...
think about the jilbab too..before the niqaab..:up:

[Peacenik]

Peacenik, brother be honest..is this a cry for attention? Is your psychiatrist doing you no good? would you like me or binty to speak on your behalf to get you a referral back to your old one? you really don't have to play up to us...all you have to do is ask us.:)

:rofl1:

Post of the day.

:D

[Muhammad2]

Just to turn it round (and I know they're not equivalent, so just indulge me)... hwo many brothers, who don't already, would wear a thobe if their wife asked them to?

After all... us chaps have an auriyah too :)

[Masumah]

i already wear the niqaab so hubbies geting a full package @) :up:

:o

I just wondered..

How many bros would want their wives to wear niqaab after marriage.. or even if you are already married.. do u want your wife to wear the niqaab (face veil)..??

Reasons will be appreciated..

I also want to know from sisters.. if your husband wanted you to wear niqaab would you wear it? or would you rebel?

[ibn suleman]

think about the jilbab too..before the niqaab..:up:

hijab..is more than just the scarf....it includes modest clothing....right???

[Nazias]

hijab..is more than just the scarf....it includes modest clothing....right???

Indeed and the way you are as a person, attitude, mentality etc (opinions of various shcolar, not just off the top of my head!).

[Muhammad2]

You know, there's something really quite appealing about knowing that the only men who know what your wife looks like are you and her male family members.

[Masumah]

this is the beauty of Islam bro..a woman is a precious jewel :inlove:

[ibn suleman]

Indeed and the way you are as a person, attitude, mentality etc (opinions of various shcolar, not just off the top of my head!).

so then from the original question the only diff wud be the actual cloth that covers the face...

hmm well still...depends :p

[Nazias]

You know, there's something really quite appealing about knowing that the only men who know what your wife looks like are you and her male family members.

I think so too as you are therefore strictly for your husband and not randoms down the road :vomit:

[abdusamad]

I understand where sis yusra is coming from and her point. The husbands duty is to encourage the wife if his sole concern is how can his wife become more obedient to Allah swt. For tht all he can do is encourage..if one does an act like wearing the niqaab and not from the heart it can backfire. If one wants to wear it from the heart and for Allahs pleasure..no matter what tests they will face they will be as firm as a mountain..no matter how strong the wind is it cannot move the mountain..same way no matter how fierce the tests r from Allah inshaAllah the sis will remain steadfast.

For bro's who use example they wouldnt want men looking at their wves..Alhmadulillah..and tht they dont wanna go round bashing heads..well erm sorry but today if u walk around wid ur mrs wearing a niqaab most likely u will get into a confrontation with someone.

And if the Husband forces the wife to wear Niqaab then she should in return try forcing him also to grow a full beard and wear the thobe all the time and pull his trousers above his ankles..cus in this day and age ppl will point fingers at you and laugh :p :p when they see u walking around with ur trousers above ur ankles :p :p




wow ... intelligence ... :)

[ABDELTAWWAB]

i already wear the niqaab :up:

:o
:salams Ukhtee Masumah

Jazaakee ALLAHU Khayraan Katheeraan wa Baarek ALLAHU Feekeey wa Yadeekeey wa ALHAMDULILLAHI RABBIL 'ALAMEEN wa ma'shaa'ALLAH to you Ukhtee Masumah for your being an Niqaabee Muminah Sister

ALHAMDULILLAHI RABBIL 'ALAMEEN wa ma'shaa'ALLAH I'm extremely proud to be your Brother in Islaam. :)

May ALLAH ELWahhab shower the most extremely immense infinite amount of the most extremely wonderful beautiful magnificent delightful sweetest loveliest BARAKAT on to you Ukhtee Masumah in this world and in the Akhirah. ALLAHumma Aameen!

[Nazias]

the actual cloth that covers the face...

yeah the niqab :rofl1:

[Nazias]

May ALLAH ELWahhab shower the most extremely immense infinite amount of the most extremely wonderful beautiful magnificent delightful sweetest loveliest BARAKAT on to you Ukhtee Masumah in this world and in the Akhirah. ALLAHumma Aameen!

Ameen!

[Masumah]

Ameen Ameen :)

jazakAllah khair bro

:salams Ukhtee Masumah

Jazaakee ALLAHU Khayraan Katheeraan wa Baarek ALLAHU Feekeey wa Yadeekeey wa ALHAMDULILLAHI RABBIL 'ALAMEEN wa ma'shaa'ALLAH to you Ukhtee Masumah for your being an Niqaabee Muminah Sister

ALHAMDULILLAHI RABBIL 'ALAMEEN wa ma'shaa'ALLAH I'm extremely proud to be your Brother in Islaam. :)

May ALLAH ELWahhab shower the most extremely immense infinite amount of the most extremely wonderful beautiful magnificent delightful sweetest loveliest BARAKAT on to you Ukhtee Masumah in this world and in the Akhirah. ALLAHumma Aameen!

[ibn suleman]

yeah the niqab :rofl1:

read this thread before u laugh :p and i still dont properly know the diff :p http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109660


but i meant like mentality wise...if she was observing hijab properly..the only diff would be the cloth...:smack:

[Nazias]

read this thread before u laugh :p and i still dont properly know the diff :p http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109660

but i meant like mentality wise...if she was observing hijab properly..the only diff would be the cloth...:smack:

Sorry, i didn't mean it in a bad way, it just that the way you said it made me laugh! :o

I think with jilbab, abayah etc there are differences but I'm sure there is only one definition of niqab! :up:

[$HugoBoss$]

he said that the hijab shud be enough.

what about the jilbab?:)

i belive the niqaab is fardh..but that sbesides the point!

hijab isnt enough.

Bint your kinda :wacko: but it's all good, there's crazy sisters every where :D

Hijab is farz and Niqaab is not, whats so hard to understand??? Doesn't matter what you believe it's what i believe because she's my future wifey not yours :hidban:

My fiance says she's going to start to wear hijab very soon within a few months, i'm very happy she's finally paying attention to islam now. Niqaab is out of the question i doubht she'll ever wear it, i'm not against it if she wants to wear she can but i doubht it and thats why i said her wearing a hijab is more than good enough :up:

[RashidD]

yes well you see my main concern if my husband asked to wear it would be ...

is he asking me to wear it because he doesnt want other men looking at HIS wife.. like a pride/jealousy kind of thing.. OR is he asking me simply for the sake of Allah (swt)..??

Because the first reason for me is not on.. If he tells me yes you should wear it and gives me an islamic reasoning .. fine.. but if its for the first reason.. then.. well..

I dont tell him to cover his face when he goes out do I?

Yes i'd like that her to wear niqaab.
For me, both reasons... I also think it'd be lovely if she did it out of love for the example set by Umm'ul Mu'mineen (RadiAllahu Ta'aala Anhum) :)

I'd also like her encouraging me along the Sunnah InshaAllah. May Allah (Azzawajall) grant us (and/or make our current) spouse(s) that will be the coolness of our eyes and encourage us in our Deen, ameen.

[perfectpearl]

MEN mostley.....what dont u understand

ITS A WOMENS choice to wear it. YOU CANT FORCE HER MEN..OR ORDER HER. IT COMES FROM THE HEART. YOU can talk to her about the benifts but you cant just tell her to wear it. ITS SOMETHING PRECIOUS AND VALUABLE> NOT ALLLLL WOMEN CAN WEAR IT. THEy have to love it to wear it.

ONE THING U CAN FORCE is the HIJAB (lucky men :rolleyes: )

[RashidD]

primarily because its the command of the Nabi :saw:

secondary factors are the benefits that we are aware of such as the fact that there is a nerve which extends down the back of ankle - which if continually stimulated causes problems for a mans potency.

also it is purer for ones clothing.

a sign of humility

but primarily we submit to the wisdom of Sayyidina Nabi :saw:

That's very true... Especially the humility . Islam is a religion of practicality and sometimes ones mind (due to maybe whispering of shaytaan, upbringing etc) can dismiss things but once you do them you'd feel the difference... So brothers... DO IT InshaAllah ;) :coolbro:

[ummbilal]

Thats because it appeared to me to be directed to me :scratch:



forgive me - but that appears to be specific unless I misunderstood and I dont like people making assumptions or doing dakhl andaazi - really does annoy me quite a great deal. thank you

mashallah grow up and get over yourself, u can see what my intention was, and yet u still insist on making a big deal out of this.

[MWarrior]

i would marry someone who wears a niqaab but maybe if she doesnt then after marriage id tell her to wear one.

[Medievalist]

I wouldnt even marry someone who showed her face. It was one of my two conditions alhamdulillah.

[ur_yusra]

:rolleyes:

[Zesty]

I wouldnt even marry someone who showed her face. It was one of my two conditions alhamdulillah.

:) mashaAllah you have a wife who does, so its all good huh. You dont have to worry about it.

[Medievalist]

:) mashaAllah you have a wife who does, so its all good huh. You dont have to worry about it.

hello what about my other wives :rolleyes:

[Zesty]

hello what about my other wives :rolleyes:

WHAT?!?! :eek: :rofl1: Youre still on that mission?!!? looll.. i thought you'd be over it!
Well then.. i guess you look for niqaabis as your other wives too?

[Al-Irhaab]

MEN mostley.....what dont u understand

ITS A WOMENS choice to wear it. YOU CANT FORCE HER MEN..OR ORDER HER. IT COMES FROM THE HEART. YOU can talk to her about the benifts but you cant just tell her to wear it. ITS SOMETHING PRECIOUS AND VALUABLE> NOT ALLLLL WOMEN CAN WEAR IT. THEy have to love it to wear it.

ONE THING U CAN FORCE is the HIJAB (lucky men :rolleyes: )

of course its her choice... i mean she can choose not to where it... just as she can choose to walk accross the road with her eyes closed :rolleyes: but the man can stop her from walking accross the road like that.. and he can make sure she wears the niqaab aswell.... the heart is over rated :rolleyes: sometimes that which we dislike can be good for us and that which we like bad for us....

they dont have to love it :smack:

[Medievalist]

WHAT?!?! :eek: :rofl1: Youre still on that mission?!!? looll.. i thought you'd be over it!
Well then.. i guess you look for niqaabis as your other wives too?

why wud I be over it? :scratch:

yeh in few years when I've graduated inshaALLAH will marry again, inshaALLAH.

not on the look at atm - but if any believing ladies are looking for misyaar then alhamdulillahi 'ala kulli haal.

[ur_yusra]

why wud I be over it? :scratch:

yeh in few years when I've graduated inshaALLAH will marry again, inshaALLAH.

not on the look at atm - but if any believing ladies are looking for misyaar then alhamdulillahi 'ala kulli haal.

I can see them all cueing up.

[Zesty]

why wud I be over it? :scratch:

yeh in few years when I've graduated inshaALLAH will marry again, inshaALLAH.

not on the look at atm - but if any believing ladies are looking for misyaar then alhamdulillahi 'ala kulli haal.

loll.. dunno- just thought being married to one might have changed your mind! ;)

inshaAllah- whatever works for you. Aslong as the sisters are ok with it. Some of us are very selfish and dont like the idea of sharing our husband :o
well im sure when youre a qualified dentist you'll have a queue of believing ladies who like urdu shayari :p

[Medievalist]

I can see them all cueing up.

I wudnt know - I keep my gaze down when outside :p

loll.. dunno- just thought being married to one might have changed your mind! ;)

inshaAllah- whatever works for you. Aslong as the sisters are ok with it. Some of us are very selfish and dont like the idea of sharing our husband :o
well im sure when youre a qualified dentist you'll have a queue of believing ladies who like urdu shayari :p

**ahem** :o

[Zesty]

I wudnt know - I keep my gaze down when outside :p



**ahem** :o

:rofl1: you make me laugh medi!

[ur_yusra]

I wudnt know - I keep my gaze down when outside :p

Delusions of grandeur :(

[Abu Mus'ab]

Are you serious..?

So if a brother covers his ankles he is committing a sin?

Coz I hardly see any bros having their ankles uncovered.. what about socks?
I made a thread before called Izar concerning the pants over the ankle.

"whatever is below the ankle is in the fire" al hadith

[ur_yusra]

I made a thread before called Izar concerning the pants over the ankle.

"whatever is below the ankle is in the fire" al hadith

:jkk:

Better tell my brother about this.

[Medievalist]

Delusions of grandeur :(

are you being deliberately illogical or does it come naturally?

You're the one who said they queuing - Im neither supported or negated the comment - just said Im unaware either way.

Sometimes you dont half dig a whole for yourself :rolleyes:

[Medievalist]

I made a thread before called Izar concerning the pants over the ankle.

"whatever is below the ankle is in the fire" al hadith

izaar is lunghi isnt it?

[Medievalist]

:rofl1: you make me laugh medi!

alhamdulillah. :coolbro:

[Abu Mus'ab]

wil u just leave her alone?

why do u like picking on girls?
Because he can't pick on men *Roll Eyes*

[Al-Irhaab]

I made a thread before called Izar concerning the pants over the ankle.

"whatever is below the ankle is in the fire" al hadith

thank allah (SwT) for trackies man u just strap them at the bottom just above the ankles and jobs a gudden :D

[ur_yusra]

are you being deliberately illogical or does it come naturally?

You're the one who said they queuing - Im neither supported or negated the comment - just said Im unaware either way.

Sometimes you dont half dig a whole for yourself :rolleyes:

How can you be doing dentistry and not be able to understand sarcasm?

[Abu Mus'ab]

izaar is lunghi isnt it?
izar is trousers/pants/and whatnot

[Zesty]

How can you be doing dentistry and not be able to understand sarcasm?

:rofl1: are the 2 supposed to be related? do you know dentists have the highest rates of suicide!
man sis- ive come across medics who lack common sense! Its hilarious :rolleyes:

[Al-Irhaab]

are you being deliberately illogical or does it come naturally?

You're the one who said they queuing - Im neither supported or negated the comment - just said Im unaware either way.

Sometimes you dont half dig a whole for yourself :rolleyes:

what have u been told about debating with foolish people :nono:

[Reptile]

I made a thread before called Izar concerning the pants over the ankle.

"whatever is below the ankle is in the fire" al hadith

im actually interested in this topic, what is the name of the thread done some searches could find anything

jazakallah khair

[Ebony]

How can you be doing dentistry and not be able to understand sarcasm?

Whats doing dentistry got to do with sarcasm? :scratch:

Oh you know dentists have the highest rates of suicide out of any other profession? :1popcorn:

[Zesty]

Ebony- great minds sis great minds ;)

[ur_yusra]

:rofl1: are the 2 supposed to be related? do you know dentists have the highest rates of suicide!
man sis- ive come across medics who lack common sense! Its hilarious :rolleyes:

Really.. :scratch:

[Abu Mus'ab]

Just to turn it round (and I know they're not equivalent, so just indulge me)... hwo many brothers, who don't already, would wear a thobe if their wife asked them to?

After all... us chaps have an auriyah too :)
well if niqaab was meant for men too then i'd have been wearing it already *Roll Eyes*

[ur_yusra]

Whats doing dentistry got to do with sarcasm? :scratch:

Oh you know dentists have the highest rates of suicide out of any other profession? :1popcorn:

How did you and Zesty say exactly the same thing :eek: :p

[Zesty]

How did you and Zesty say exactly the same thing :eek: :p

:D freaky aint it! Like i said- great minds!

[Medievalist]

How can you be doing dentistry and not be able to understand sarcasm?

I apologise. I gave you more credit than you are due - I was acting on the saying "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" and I wanted to think good of a fellow believer so didnt ascribe sarcasm to you. My bad

what have u been told about debating with foolish people :nono:

my bad bro

[Nazahah]

I apologise. I gave you more credit than you are due - I was acting on the saying "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" and I wanted to think good of a fellow believer so didnt ascribe sarcasm to you. My bad



my bad bro

I’am probably going to get vilified for saying this, but that is the biggest load BS I have heard all day, firstly don’t tell me you have never been sarcastic, and secondly you didn’t get her sarcasm thus the confusion not because of that reason

[Medievalist]

I’am probably going to get vilified for saying this, but that is the biggest load BS I have heard all day, firstly don’t tell me you have never been sarcastic, and secondly you didn’t get her sarcasm thus the confusion not because of that reason

very perceptive. chillax

[Ruprecht]

I have great women for you Medievalist.

Good teeth, strong back, mute. No education.

How many do you want?

Discounts for bulk orders! :D

[Medievalist]

I have great women for you Medievalist.

Good teeth, strong back, mute. No education.

How many do you want?

Discounts for bulk orders! :D


:rotfl:

What am I gonna do with an uneducated lass?

[muhammad atta]

:rolleyes:
good thing u edited that....

[Abu Mus'ab]

im actually interested in this topic, what is the name of the thread done some searches could find anything

jazakallah khair
This is the thread,

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95825

[Medievalist]

good thing u edited that....

why? what did she write first?

[Ruprecht]

:rotfl:

What am I gonna do with an uneducated lass?

Whatever you want. It's not like they'll know any better! :D

[Medievalist]

nah I think I'll pass bro.

[muhammad atta]

why? what did she write first?
just another sarcastic comment aimed at the brothers but i never bothered saying anything.....

[Reptile]

This is the thread,

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95825

barakallah feek brother :)

[Abu Mus'ab]

I go away for one night and come back to see this, how do y'all manage to post 5 pages worth of posts in such a short time? *Roll Eyes*

[Nazahah]

lol thats ummah for you

[Abu Mus'ab]

just another sarcastic comment aimed at the brothers but i never bothered saying anything.....
Atta boy.

no i don't mean muhammad atta *Roll Eyes*

[bint]

Bint your kinda :wacko: but it's all good, there's crazy sisters every where :D

Hijab is farz and Niqaab is not, whats so hard to understand??? Doesn't matter what you believe it's what i believe because she's my future wifey not yours :hidban:

My fiance says she's going to start to wear hijab very soon within a few months, i'm very happy she's finally paying attention to islam now. Niqaab is out of the question i doubht she'll ever wear it, i'm not against it if she wants to wear she can but i doubht it and thats why i said her wearing a hijab is more than good enough :up:

its okay i understand..u want ure wife to show her face:D

[Umm 'Umarah]

I wouldn't marry someone who wants me to show my face, that one of the conditions before I marry the poor man that's destined to marry me:D (that's if I decide to get married in the first place that is)

[summer786]

I wouldn't marry someone who wants me to show my face, that one of the conditions before I marry the poor man that's destined to marry me:D (that's if I decide to get married in the first place that is)

Hey...i'm sure he'll be a lucky guy :) and it's sunnah to get married, so if you can, you should.

[ur_yusra]

I wouldn't marry someone who wants me to show my face, that one of the conditions before I marry the poor man that's destined to marry me:D (that's if I decide to get married in the first place that is)

Yeah I feel the same.

[Umm 'Umarah]

Hey...i'm sure he'll be a lucky guy :) and it's sunnah to get married, so if you can, you should.

lol, I don't think so.. I'm Queen moody..:D

.......Isn't if fardh to get married? my best friend is getting married and when they came to see her she threw up twice in the morning and when she went into the room she was shaking so badly she could feel her heart pounding so bad her scarf was moving, and she said she never wants to go through that again.

there is no way I could go do that..:nervous:

[Nazahah]

lol, I don't think so.. I'm Queen moody..:D

.......Isn't if fardh to get married? my best friend is getting married and when they came to see her she threw up twice in the morning and when she went into the room she was shaking so badly she could feel her heart pounding so bad her scarf was moving, and she said she never wants to go through that again.

there is no way I could to that..:nervous:

:eek: that is a put off

[Zesty]

lol, I don't think so.. I'm Queen moody..:D

.......Isn't if fardh to get married? my best friend is getting married and when they came to see her she threw up twice in the morning and when she went into the room she was shaking so badly she could feel her heart pounding so bad her scarf was moving, and she said she never wants to go through that again.

there is no way I could go do that..:nervous:

looolll aaww bless her! thats so cute :) must be quite a daunting experience! Shouldnt put you off though inshaAllah. Marrying is completing half your deen :)

[Maalikah]

I wouldn't marry someone who wants me to show my face, that one of the conditions before I marry the poor man that's destined to marry me:D (that's if I decide to get married in the first place that is)

He could spy on you with the intention to marry you. You'd never know whether he'd seen your face or not, and there'd be no sin on him.



:rofl1:

Ahem. Sorry to scare Sis Kamilah.

P.s. marriage is a sunnah not a fardh.

[RashidD]

izar is trousers/pants/and whatnot

I thought an izar was like an ihram bottom garment. Like a lungi the only difference is that the lungi is closed i.e. circular whereas the izar is open (so a wrap) This is what i heard... But the hadith refers to all forms of clothing if i'm not mistaken.

[Jigsaw]

as a decently dressed muslimah myself, who does not wear niqaab.

i dont get harrased or leered at, at all.

to say that woman should wear niqaab so that she doesnt get looked at in a demeaning way. sueggests that we accept and find it norm therefore right that a women is but a object for the male gaze.

now this may be true to some extent.....women in all cultures have always been treated like this.

i find that niqaab is not fardh, however personally i find great refuge in it when i go to pakistan.

in the uk, i have never been treated in such ways. and so therefore i find the uk a more islamic environtment then pakistan

if i were to get married, and my husband wanted me to wear niqaab, as a decent man i would expect him to give me a choice i the matter.

because women do have a choice.

protecting women....i think this excuse has been abused and used.

people have forgotten what it mean to actually protect a woman.

[Umm 'Umarah]

looolll aaww bless her! thats so cute :) must be quite a daunting experience! Shouldnt put you off though inshaAllah. Marrying is completing half your deen :)

Yeah but wouldn't that put anyone off.

He could spy on you with the intention to marry you. You'd never know whether he'd seen your face or not, and there'd be no sin on him.



:rofl1:

Ahem. Sorry to scare Sis Kamilah.

P.s. marriage is a sunnah not a fardh.

oh okay so if it's sunnah..would that mean if a women chooses not to marry it's not considered a sin?

btw..I have a skylight window.. he'll need a helicopter to come spy on me...

and I don't go near the windows much..:D

[Peacenik]

.......Isn't if fardh to get married? my best friend is getting married and when they came to see her she threw up twice in the morning and when she went into the room she was shaking so badly she could feel her heart pounding so bad her scarf was moving, and she said she never wants to go through that again.

there is no way I could go do that..:nervous:[/QUOTE]

Hard drugs normally work.

P.S. This is not an indication to condone illegal narcotic use.

[RashidD]

Just to turn it round (and I know they're not equivalent, so just indulge me)... hwo many brothers, who don't already, would wear a thobe if their wife asked them to?

After all... us chaps have an auriyah too :)

InshaAllah yes i would :D Would love to!

[Abu Mus'ab]

I thought an izar was like an ihram bottom garment. Like a lungi the only difference is that the lungi is closed i.e. circular whereas the izar is open (so a wrap) This is what i heard... But the hadith refers to all forms of clothing if i'm not mistaken.
Yeah, but i was referring to what the hadith there refers to.

[Abu Mus'ab]

He could spy on you with the intention to marry you. You'd never know whether he'd seen your face or not, and there'd be no sin on him.



:rofl1:

Ahem. Sorry to scare Sis Kamilah.

P.s. marriage is a sunnah not a fardh.
There's a hadith about looking at other peoles stuff, if a person looks in your house because your curtains are open then there's no sin on him, but if he moves the cutain to look and someone pokes his eye out then there's no sin on the poker.

[Maalikah]

There's a hadith about looking at other peoles stuff, if a person looks in your house because your curtains are open then there's no sin on him, but if he moves the cutain to look and someone pokes his eye out then there's no sin on the poker.

Of course, you are right brother (i'm not sure about the poking bit) when referring to people's possessions and homes. You are even supposed to ask permission before looking around the room you are sitting in as a guest.

I was referring to a man looking at a woman. I'm sure there is a hadith on a man looking at a woman without her knowledge for purposes of marriage and that being permissible.

[Abu Mus'ab]

Of course, you are right brother (i'm not sure about the poking bit) when referring to people's possessions and homes. You are even supposed to ask permission before looking around the room you are sitting in as a guest.

I was referring to a man looking at a woman. I'm sure there is a hadith on a man looking at a woman without her knowledge for purposes of marriage and that being permissible.
The word 'poke' is used in the hadith that's why i used it.

I don't think i've heard that hadith before (i'm not doubting it though), but it doesn't refer to mad stalking nutcases that sit in trees with binoculars looking at people *Roll Eyes*

[Maalikah]

The word 'poke' is used in the hadith that's why i used it.

I don't think i've heard that hadith before (i'm not doubting it though), but it doesn't refer to mad stalking nutcases that sit in trees with binoculars looking at people *Roll Eyes*


I don't have a reference for it.

My grandfather who is an aalim, chose my grandmother this way. His ustaad had a daughter who he thought was compatible with my grandfather. She was very shy and said she refuses to see my grandfather or let him see her. My grandfather really wanted to see her before he agreed to marry. So, her father arranged for my grandfather to be in their house when she didn't know. My grandfather saw her and said he was willing to marry her. They've been married now for almost 50 years - masha'allah!

My grandfather still glows with happiness when he recounts this story and my grandma will start blushing :inlove:


I have come across a hadith/advice from a respected hanafi scholar but can't locate it. A man wanted to see what the woman was like but she was too shy to appear in front of him. Some women are naturally exceptionally shy. The thought of appearing in front of a man who is not their mahram scares the life out of them. But no, it doesn't give men a license to stalk :rolleyes:

[perfectpearl]

of course its her choice... i mean she can choose not to where it... just as she can choose to walk accross the road with her eyes closed :rolleyes: but the man can stop her from walking accross the road like that.. and he can make sure she wears the niqaab aswell.... the heart is over rated :rolleyes: sometimes that which we dislike can be good for us and that which we like bad for us....

they dont have to love it :smack:

YES THEY DO....they need to love it. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: HOw are you going to wear something you hate. Obviously u wouldn't do it cuz GOD and u would take it off when no one you know is present. A WOMEN CAN GUIDE A MAN TOO. YOU have to be open minded ...sooo ull practically force ur wife to wear it huh...ur saying its not force but at the same time ur saying that " he can make sure she wears the niqaab". How is he going to do that if she doesnt want to wear it. IT HER CHOICE..NOT HIS. NIQAB is not a fard its just a SUNNAH. So therefore a man cant really pressure his wife to wear it.

May Allah reward all the sisters who wear it by choice :D and those who wear it to pleas GOD (Allah) and not wear it just for their husbands sake ... :) :rolleyes:

[Medievalist]

I don't have a reference for it.

My grandfather who is an aalim, chose my grandmother this way. His ustaad had a daughter who he thought was compatible with my grandfather. She was very shy and said she refuses to see my grandfather or let him see her. My grandfather really wanted to see her before he agreed to marry. So, her father arranged for my grandfather to be in their house when she didn't know. My grandfather saw her and said he was willing to marry her. They've been married now for almost 50 years - masha'allah!

My grandfather still glows with happiness when he recounts this story and my grandma will start blushing :inlove:


I have come across a hadith/advice from a respected hanafi scholar but can't locate it. A man wanted to see what the woman was like but she was too shy to appear in front of him. Some women are naturally exceptionally shy. The thought of appearing in front of a man who is not their mahram scares the life out of them. But no, it doesn't give men a license to stalk :rolleyes:

mashaALLAH.

[Al-Irhaab]

YES THEY DO....they need to love it. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: HOw are you going to wear something you hate. Obviously u wouldn't do it cuz GOD and u would take it off when no one you know is present. A WOMEN CAN GUIDE A MAN TOO. YOU have to be open minded ...sooo ull practically force ur wife to wear it huh...ur saying its not force but at the same time ur saying that " he can make sure she wears the niqaab". How is he going to do that if she doesnt want to wear it. IT HER CHOICE..NOT HIS. NIQAB is not a fard its just a SUNNAH. So therefore a man cant really pressure his wife to wear it.

May Allah reward all the sisters who wear it by choice :D and those who wear it to pleas GOD (Allah) and not wear it just for their husbands sake ... :) :rolleyes:

ok say if its just sunnah then surely ud want to do ur sunnah... surely if someone told u to do something that was sunnah ud do it.... i mean its like when u tell ur kids to pray their sunnah salah.... :rolleyes: and u can pressure ur wife to wear it and u can force her to wear it but inshallah it shouldnt come to that....i mean if u really wanted to you could just stop her from going out and that way u wouldnt have to force her to wear it...

may allah (swt) reward all sisters wo wear niqaab if they do it for their husbands or by choice because either way they will be pleasing allah (Swt)

[Abu Mus'ab]

Al-Irhaab said it better.

[ur_yusra]

It doesn't matter whether the niqaab is fardh or not, the main thing is that what the husband says goes *Roll Eyes*

lol.. or a better way of putting it.. pleasing the husband.. pleases Allah (swt).

[Abu Mus'ab]

lol.. or a better way of putting it.. pleasing the husband.. pleases Allah (swt).
You had to quote me so fast *Roll Eyes*

[`asiya]

I wouldn't marry someone who wants me to show my face, that one of the conditions before I marry the poor man that's destined to marry me:D (that's if I decide to get married in the first place that is)

u wouldnt show them your face if they want to marry u ? but the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam has ordered people to look at each other before marriage, what if he didnt like the look of u once u took off ur niqaab on the wedding night ...


The word 'poke' is used in the hadith that's why i used it.

I don't think i've heard that hadith before (i'm not doubting it though), but it doesn't refer to mad stalking nutcases that sit in trees with binoculars looking at people *Roll Eyes*

exactly how come people think they can go spying on people in their own homes!!! even to look for marriage. ( if i found out some man had been hiding in my own home, my place of privacy to look at me, with the permission and knowledge of my father!!! id not want to have anything to do with such men.)

The hadith as i understand,says the man hid to "look at that which makes u marry her" and seeing as u normally cannot even look at a womans face as we all should be lowering our gazes then in the case of marriage is the only time u are allowed to look at "what makes u marry her" which is her face, and her hands are also included as permissible to look at as the other hadith which tells a man to look at (the plumpness of) a womans hands, if she has plump hands its a good sign of fertility ( as we know from medical science today skinny women cannot concieve easily and are more likely to be infertile) and muslims should marry the ones who are loving and fertile as per the hadith of rasoolAllah salallahu alleyhi wa salam

[Nazias]

u wouldnt show them your face if they want to marry u ? but the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam has ordered people to look at each other before marriage, what if he didnt like the look of u once u took off ur niqaab on the wedding night ...

:up: :rofl1:

[Umm 'Umarah]

I meant in general. some men don't like their wife to wear niqaab.

[`asiya]

I meant in general. some men don't like their wife to wear niqaab.

aaahhhh i got it now masha Allah :D

[$HugoBoss$]

its okay i understand..u want ure wife to show her face:D

Bint she's going to be a doctor have you ever seen a doctor in a niqab??? I don't think she'll ever wear one but she's getting accustom of wearing a hijaab, whats so hard to understand????

Bint you don't have to show your face if you don't want to but i highly doubht anybody would want to see it anyways :nervous:

[$HugoBoss$]

I meant in general. some men don't like their wife to wear niqaab.

I don't think it's some i think it's majority by far, how many niqabis do you see compared to hijabis?????

[Abu Mus'ab]

I don't think it's some i think it's majority by far, how many niqabis do you see compared to hijabis?????
Well they don't represent men, just because they say they're men doesn't mean they are.

[Medievalist]

what the majority likes or dislikes is irrelevant - its what ALLAH Ta'ala commands that has true value and importance.

Also - why cant a lady wear niqaab and study medicine? At our uni mashaALLAH two brothers wear shalwar kameez on clinics and one of them ALWAYS wears an imaamah. He lived at my house for a number of weeks and the only time I ever saw him without imaamah was in the morning - rest of the day, from fajr till isha brother wore imaamah and he's a 3rd yr medic - mashaALLAH.

[$HugoBoss$]

Well they don't represent men, just because they say they're men doesn't mean they are.

So if a muslim man doesn't want his wife to wear a niwab he's not a man??? So what hadith did you get this from or is it directly from the quran????

I like your definition of a man, maybe i should buy the abu musab english dictionary for dummies *Rolls Eyes* twice

[Abu Mus'ab]

So if a muslim man doesn't want his wife to wear a niwab he's not a man??? So what hadith did you get this from or is it directly from the quran????

I like your definition of a man, maybe i should buy the abu musab english dictionary for dummies *Rolls Eyes* twice
What's a niwab?

[Medievalist]

What's a niwab?

nawabs are nobility in urdu.

:rotfl:

[$HugoBoss$]

what the majority likes or dislikes is irrelevant - its what ALLAH Ta'ala commands that has true value and importance.

Also - why cant a lady wear niqaab and study medicine? At our uni mashaALLAH two brothers wear shalwar kameez on clinics and one of them ALWAYS wears an imaamah. He lived at my house for a number of weeks and the only time I ever saw him without imaamah was in the morning - rest of the day, from fajr till isha brother wore imaamah and he's a 3rd yr medic - mashaALLAH.

Allah commands sisters to wear hijab and we all know thats fard, niqab is not.

There's nothing wrong with wearing a niqaab and studying medicine but what about after when she becomes a doctor????? Hijab is good enough, whoever wants to wear a niwab good for them, i'm not against it but i'm not for it either.

[Medievalist]

Allah commands sisters to wear hijab and we all know thats fard, niqab is not.

There's nothing wrong with wearing a niqaab and studying medicine but what about after when she becomes a doctor????? Hijab is good enough, whoever wants to wear a niwab good for them, i'm not against it but i'm not for it either.

My brother actually you'll find that the stronger opinion is that the niqab is either fard or wajib. If you are hanafi then by the true ulama of our school it is now classed as wajib.

Thats the problem with secular education - people start thinking beyond themselves. We need to submit to the religion.

1. ALLAH Ta'ala does not command anyone to wear hijab. Where does it say you wear hijab? Hijab isnt a piece of clothing that you wear it. I really dont understand what this hijab is - which piece of cloth is called hijab in fuss-ha arabic?

[$HugoBoss$]

What's a niwab?

Nice we got a professor here spell checking my posts, thats what people do when they can't counter someone's response :rolleyes:

[$HugoBoss$]

My brother actually you'll find that the stronger opinion is that the niqab is either fard or wajib. If you are hanafi then by the true ulama of our school it is now classed as wajib.

Thats the problem with secular education - people start thinking beyond themselves. We need to submit to the religion.

1. ALLAH Ta'ala does not command anyone to wear hijab. Where does it say you wear hijab? Hijab isnt a piece of clothing that you wear it. I really dont understand what this hijab is - which piece of cloth is called hijab in fuss-ha arabic?

Ask a imam if you don't know really understand :D

[Medievalist]

Ask a imam if you don't know really understand :D

The imams Im gonna ask know arabic and they gonna say that hijab aint a piece of clothing. Perhaps I should ask an imam who doesnt understand arabic? :scratch:

[$HugoBoss$]

The imams Im gonna ask know arabic and they gonna say that hijab aint a piece of clothing. Perhaps I should ask an imam who doesnt understand arabic? :scratch:

Your choice

[Hassan Aidarus]

the niqab is a blessin from Allah, it even makes the less attractive muslimahs look not just attractive but blossoming with Noor. SubhanAllah how a piece of cloth can change ones looks, same for the bruvas wid beards.:up:

[Medievalist]

Now who cant give an answer **roll eyes**

My brother for the record - no1 can wear a hijab because its not a piece of clothing. A woman can wear jilbaab or khimaar or chador or burqa or dupatta or jubba or abaaya - these are pieces of clothing but you acnt wear a hijab because there is no such piece of clothing.

Women who wear a scarf wear a scarf not a hijab.

A person can only ever either observe hijab or speak from behind a hijaab. Hijaab is a curtain. Unless a woman is literally draping a curtain then she aint wearing hijab.

Legally hijaab is the term used for the segregation and isolation of one gender from the other with a physical barrier between them - traditionally a curtain. Just as in urdu we dont ever:

Fulaana purdah pehen rahee hai
So-and-so is wearing purdah

rather we say Fulaana purdah karti hai
so-and-so observes purdah, she does purdah, she does segregation.

Purdah is the translation of the word hijaab in our urdu.

[urban_rose]

isnt purdah the urdu word for Niqaab?

[Abu Mus'ab]

Nice we got a professor here spell checking my posts, thats what people do when they can't counter someone's response :rolleyes:
First,

So if a muslim man doesn't want his wife to wear a niwab he's not a man???

then,

Hijab is good enough, whoever wants to wear a niwab good for them, i'm not against it but i'm not for it either.

You were saying? *Roll Eyes*

[Abu Mus'ab]

isnt purdah the urdu word for Niqaab?
Purdah is the urdu representative of the arabic Hijaab.

[$HugoBoss$]

Now who cant give an answer **roll eyes**

My brother for the record - no1 can wear a hijab because its not a piece of clothing. A woman can wear jilbaab or khimaar or chador or burqa or dupatta or jubba or abaaya - these are pieces of clothing but you acnt wear a hijab because there is no such piece of clothing.

Women who wear a scarf wear a scarf not a hijab.

A person can only ever either observe hijab or speak from behind a hijaab. Hijaab is a curtain. Unless a woman is literally draping a curtain then she aint wearing hijab.

Legally hijaab is the term used for the segregation and isolation of one gender from the other with a physical barrier between them - traditionally a curtain. Just as in urdu we dont ever:

Fulaana purdah pehen rahee hai
So-and-so is wearing purdah

rather we say Fulaana purdah karti hai
so-and-so observes purdah, she does purdah, she does segregation.

Purdah is the translation of the word hijaab in our urdu.

You knew what i meant and i'm sure your islamic knowledge is superior to mine, i'm glad you feel special. Why compare your question to abu musab's nonsense post. Jazakallah for the info though.

[Abu Mus'ab]

nawabs are nobility in urdu.

:rotfl:
So women wear nobility these days?

Do you know where they sell some of these niwabs? *Roll Eyes*

[$HugoBoss$]

First,



then,



You were saying? *Roll Eyes*

Yeah so whats your point?????

[Abu Mus'ab]

Yeah so whats your point?????
Point? what's that? *Roll Eyes*

[Muhammad2]

Did some one say niqaab brothers?

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Mark761/tuareg1.jpg

[$HugoBoss$]

Point? what's that? *Roll Eyes*

When your playing basketball and you shoot the ball into a hoop you get a point :buttkick:

[Abu Mus'ab]

Did some one say niqaab brothers?

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Mark761/tuareg1.jpg
and how do you know that's a man?

[Muhammad2]

Do you know nothing about the Tuareg? :confused:

[bint]

Bint she's going to be a doctor have you ever seen a doctor in a niqab??? I don't think she'll ever wear one but she's getting accustom of wearing a hijaab, whats so hard to understand????

Bint you don't have to show your face if you don't want to but i highly doubht anybody would want to see it anyways :nervous:


oh my shock horror!! :eek: no ways..:shock: shes a doctor? no no..she cant wear a niqaab..she cant wear a hijab..that wud look too funny :rotfl:
my repuation will be stained..ill get weird looks from my collegues..oh my id rather shrivel up than me wife wearing a niqaab..

oh get real ...dont take it too personally..i believe a womans face shud be covered..but i havent enforced my opinion on u or ure wife..

as for my face..it is pretty scary..which is why i have to hide it from the leering gazes :smack:

[Abu Mus'ab]

Do you know nothing about the Tuareg? :confused:
how would i know? *Roll Eyes*

[heaven2002]

its real sad when u hear muslim people dissing other muslim people
if muslims cant be united then its no wonder that non muslims overpower
may Allah grant us all understanding and patience to get on with each other

[Abu Mus'ab]

oh my shock horror!! :eek: no ways..:shock: shes a doctor? no no..she cant wear a niqaab..she cant wear a hijab..that wud look too funny :rotfl:
my repuation will be stained..ill get weird looks from my collegues..oh my id rather shrivel up than me wife wearing a niqaab..

oh get real ...dont take it too personally..i believe a womans face shud be covered..but i havent enforced my opinion on u or ure wife..

as for my face..it is pretty scary..which is why i have to hide it from the leering gazes :smack:
Don't doctors cover their face when they do an operation anyway?

[bint]

Don't doctors cover their face when they do an operation anyway?


geez yeah..but then u wud totally fit in. u dig?:D

[Zesty]

Seriously- who on earth is FULAANA?!?!!? :rolleyes:

[bint]

Seriously- who on earth is FULAANA?!?!!? :rolleyes:
fulaana is just 'that person' or 'this person' in arabic..that word is used in examples alot :p

[Zesty]

fulaana is just 'that person' or 'this person' in arabic..that word is used in examples alot :p

:rofl1: i seee , well thankyou for enlightening me binty dear.

[Abu Mus'ab]

Seriously- who on earth is FULAANA?!?!!? :rolleyes:
fulaan ibn fulaan = so and so the son of so and so

*Roll Eyes*

[Zesty]

fulaan ibn fulaan = so and so the son of so and so

*Roll Eyes*

*rolls eyes* right back atcha!

[$HugoBoss$]

oh my shock horror!! :eek: no ways..:shock: shes a doctor? no no..she cant wear a niqaab..she cant wear a hijab..that wud look too funny :rotfl:
my repuation will be stained..ill get weird looks from my collegues..oh my id rather shrivel up than me wife wearing a niqaab..

oh get real ...dont take it too personally..i believe a womans face shud be covered..but i havent enforced my opinion on u or ure wife..

When did i say she can't wear a hijab and that she'll look funny if she did??? How would that stain my reputation again???? Weird looks from collegues who cares i can handle it. You got serious problems bint and your the one that needs to get real :torture:


as for my face..it is pretty scary..which is why i have to hide it from the leering gazes :smack:

I could imagine :vomit:

[bint]

When did i say she can't wear a hijab and that she'll look funny if she did??? How would that stain my reputation again???? Weird looks from collegues who cares i can handle it. You got serious problems bint and your the one that needs to get real :torture:




I could imagine :vomit:

lol im real..im just wondering oif ure living in dreamland :rotf:

oh and the last person that saw me was some poor sod on the street who had a near fatal heart attack and was sent to the hospital..thank god hes okay:D

[Abu Mus'ab]

When did i say she can't wear a hijab and that she'll look funny if she did??? How would that stain my reputation again???? Weird looks from collegues who cares i can handle it. You got serious problems bint and your the one that needs to get real :torture:




I could imagine :vomit:
You need to get real, until you can disprove her with shari proof then your 'opinion' is worth nothing.

[$HugoBoss$]

Don't doctors cover their face when they do an operation anyway?

Only surgeons, dentists cover their face during a surgery to avoid infection not family doctors.

Why would you even compare a niqab to a surgical face mask *Rolls Eyes*

[bint]

You need to get real, until you can disprove her with shari proof then your 'opinion' is worth nothing.
gee jazakAllah:D

[bint]

Only surgeons, dentists cover their face during a surgery to avoid infection not family doctors.

Why would you even compare a niqab to a surgical face mask *Rolls Eyes*


so they cover their face..so they dont get an infection etc..
i cover my face to keep away from perverted gazes:D ..oh in ure case..so people dont get heart attacks :rotfl:

[Abu Mus'ab]

lol im real..im just wondering oif ure living in dreamland :rotf:

oh and the last person that saw me was some poor sod on the street who had a near fatal heart attack and was sent to the hospital..thank god hes okay:D
I'm thinking i must be some hideous creature too, because most small children that look at me start crying *Roll Eyes*

[Medievalist]

You knew what i meant and i'm sure your islamic knowledge is superior to mine, i'm glad you feel special. Why compare your question to abu musab's nonsense post. Jazakallah for the info though.

My brother I apologise for my arrogance but my intention wasnt to flaunt what little I knw (I hope :s) but it was rather to make a valid point.

The Qur'anic command is for hijaab and jilbaab and thats what we need to undrestand. In our deen words are very important and we should all strive to use correct terminology - I will be first to admit that too often my tongue/fingers are uncontrolled and things are blurted out in a less than perfect manner but still we should strive isnt it?

When the Qur'an commands on covering the clothing used is called jalaabeeb - ie jilbaab. And the comman pertaining to segregation refers to hijaab. We need to understand what the Qur'an is actually requiring from us rather than using words loosely with the intention that well I knw what I mean.

As an example in our religion sadaqah is haraam upon the Ahlul Bayt. If a person gives a gift to a Sayyid and says it is sadaqah for you then that gift becomes totally haraam for the person - EVEN though a person may be intending it as a gift.

Does that make any sense?

[Abu Mus'ab]

Only surgeons, dentists cover their face during a surgery to avoid infection not family doctors.

Why would you even compare a niqab to a surgical face mask *Rolls Eyes*
I take it you've never had an operation yet?

surgical mask covers your face, that's my point.

[$HugoBoss$]

You need to get real, until you can disprove her with shari proof then your 'opinion' is worth nothing.

Why don't you mind your own business abu musab your on my case in every thread, i'm not talking to you so it's better if you keep out of any of my discussions, i would greatly appreciate it if you can do that.

[bint]

I'm thinking i must be some hideous creature too, because most small children that look at me start crying *Roll Eyes*


:rotfl:

[Zesty]

I'm thinking i must be some hideous creature too, because most small children that look at me start crying *Roll Eyes*

:rofl1: :rofl1: aawww im sure you aint that bad! Maybe you just have bad breathe?!?! :p

[heaven2002]

gosh some folk have real problem with someone not agreeing with their point of view

[Medievalist]

Seriously- who on earth is FULAANA?!?!!? :rolleyes:

you thought I was backbiting someone innit :torture: