Sister or muslimah

[Shujaat_71]

Salam o allaykum waramatullah wa barakat Assalamo allaka Mohammad ur RasolAllah Sallallah-ho-alllayhey-wasallam

my question is that ,to call any muslimah my sister, while she not really any doughter of my mom and dad, further what are the definitions of a sister in shryeah ,anso inculde one or more aayah, jezakAllah kharen

[.: Anna :.]

wa alaykum salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

I read a QA about this before, maybe can find the link later ia. Saying that its no obligation to use the words sister, brother etc but also no harm in using them. It's just a term of respect, and social convention

[Shujaat_71]

[QUOTE=anna2000uk]its no obligation=[obligation n. 1 constraining power of a law, duty, contract, etc. 2 duty, task. 3 binding agreement. 4 indebtedness for a service or benefit (be under an obligation)]--- to use the words sister, brother etc *but* also no harm in using them. *It's just a term of respect, and social convention*

well this same aayah you quted 3:103 still defiening brothers not syster, [quote] by His favor you became brethren [quote]
note: please read it till 3:108 it will comform more

Q1) is there one of aayah in shareyh saying some like its not abligation but we ummah can use that for just a term of respect and social convention also can we put a BUT in Allahs order?

Q2)so are we allowed to break Allah's laws for our social convention and respect?

Q3) what kind of respect are they looking for then Allah orderd not to stare them, keep your eyes down and etc and women been ordered the same way all regarding to their respect, and the cleanliness to our hearts and and to save us from waswalul knass(shatanic thoughts) so is there any bigger respectful why out there?

Q4,isn't staill a big lie to call any muslimah a sister besuse a man cant live with her like he can live with his true sister without marry and no one can marry with his sister according to Allah's way (the rope).

@5. well finally if so, could we still call another man dad, another's mom to our mom, anothers son or doughter to call our doughters too?

Jezak allah kharen.

[ur_yusra]

The Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasalam) said..

'Want for your brother what you want for yourself'

so are you telling me he meant blood brothers?? ;)

[Al-Fateh]

muslimah or sister in Islam

its the same

[pdj_m]

wa alaykum al salam wa rahmatu allah wa barakatuh
calling a muslima sister or a muslim brother does not refer to him or her being your true sibling, but a brother or sister in islam or "oukhti fi :allah: ". that's what i know :scratch:

[Shujaat_71]

The Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wasalam) said..

'Want for your brother what you want for yourself'

so are you telling me he meant blood brothers?? ;)

read carefull what allah refers to all muslim, "the word "akie"=Brother, not from the same father , mom or both but same beliver too (muslim),, so i am free to call any muslim my brohter, but for girls Allah naver used they are your sisters,

definition of a sister, born from the same mom or father or both parents, please keep one eyes open on relation ship that allah allready made, we are not going to do with that, Agree?

Jezakallah kharen,

[Shujaat_71]

muslimah or sister in Islam

its the same

is that your fatwa? any true reference please ?

[islamirama]

The prophet *S* said this religion is a religion of brotherhood. There's many hadith refering to calling each other brothers. Calling someone a brother or sister is strengthening the emaan and behaviors of acting and interacting with them as they you are your brother and sister. IT doesn't mean they are related to you by blood becuase if that was so then you wouldn't be allowed to marry any one of them. But this is a religion of brotherhood (and sisterhood) and that is how you should see each other, give respect to each other in that manner and feel love for each other in that aspect. As the prophet *S* said you are not a true believer til you love for your brother what you love for yourself. As for blood relations. When the prophet *S* asked Abu bakr's daughter's hand in marraige, abu bakr replied but we are brothers. And the propohet *S* said something of the sort that we are brothers in Faith not in blood.

you can go to www.islam-qa.com and do search for more precise and detailed answer on this inshallah.

[Abu Mus'ab]

49: 10. The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear Allah, that ye may receive Mercy.

[Shujaat_71]

wa alaykum al salam wa rahmatu allah wa barakatuh
calling a muslima sister or a muslim brother does not refer to him or her being your true sibling, but a brother or sister in islam or "oukhti fi :allah: ". that's what i know :scratch:


well your right she is not true subling , but false ? so i asked why do whe say false (Allah never said them oukhti like allah say akhi to all male believers why do we ), also read

And tell the believing women to lower their gaze ..... ( سورة النور , An-Noor, Chapter #24, Verse #31)

remember Allah sending an otder to Moa-menate its mean Momin women instead of oukhtie

[Shujaat_71]

49: 10. The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear Allah, that ye may receive Mercy.


would you please refer the surah name?
Jezakallah

[Abu Mus'ab]

would you please refer the surah name?
Jezakallah

Surah Hujraat Ayah 10.

[Shujaat_71]

Surah Hujraat Ayah 10.

Ok same thing ekhwatun =brother,
Almea-menona ekhwatun

wala nesaun menan-nesaaun women from women (again no sis jsut nesaaun

by the jezak Allah kheran

[islamirama]

Why are you concerned about this and why does it bother you so much? it's not that hard to understand.

Brotherhood in Islam
By Z.B. Asghar
Adapted Slightly From The Light - Volume 1 Issue 1
Loughborough Islamic Centre & LSU Islamic Society


The importance of brotherhood in Islam can not be over stressed. There are many hadiths relating to the fact the Muslims are a single united body, each part responsible for the other. Accordingly if one of the parts is injured or hurt then the rest of the body immediately feels that pain and is certainly uncomfortable at the situation until it is rectified without delay. The brotherhood of Muslims is a very deep and wide concept that gaurantees the safety and well being of the Society at large. Islam being a complete way of life is primarily for the society, it promotes a healthy and a well disciplined life style in every sense of the word.


It is forbidden, for example, for two Muslims to start a whispering conversation in the presence of the third. This might offend the one left out and weaken the Brotherhood. It is not permissible for a Muslim to sever relations with his brother for more than three days.


"It is sufficient evil for a Muslim that he should look down upon his brother. The life, wealth, and honour of a Muslim are inviolable by another Muslim"
[Sahih Muslim].


Brotherhood is synonynous with Islam. It is a force for good, a purveyor of peace and justice for everyone. It provides stablility in a quarrelsome world. To the downtrodden and oppressed everywhere in the past, it provided freedom. When it was powerful, it even saved the Jews and Christians in Palestine and Spain from each other.


Muslims are not allowed to kill the women and children of their enemies even in war. How could we support the killing of our own women and children? A Muslim is not really a believer if he eats his full while ignoring the plight of a hungry neighbour. How could a believer then participate in economic sanctions designed to starve his own people to death?


When giving commands regarding the Islamic Brotherhood, the Quran uses a beautiful style with a profound message.


But when you enter the houses, greet one another with a greeting from Allâh (i.e. say: As-Salâmu 'Alaikum - peace be on you) blessed and good. Thus Allâh makes clear the Ayât (these Verses or your religious symbols and signs, etc.) to you that you may understand.
[Surah An Nur Ayah 61].


O you who believe! Let not a group scoff at another group, it may be that the latter are better than the former; nor let (some) women scoff at other women, it may be that the latter are better than the former, nor defame one another, nor insult one another by nicknames. How bad is it, to insult one's brother after having Faith [i.e. to call your Muslim brother (a faithful believer) as: "O sinner", or "O wicked", etc.]. And whosoever does not repent, then such are indeed Zâlimûn (wrong-doers, etc.).
[Surah Al-Hujarat Ayah 11].


O you who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves unjustly except it be a trade amongst you, by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allâh is Most Merciful to you.
[Surah An-Nisaa Ayah 29].


The message is clear: Whatever is happening to others in the Brotherhood, is actually happening to yourself. Any aggression against any part of the Brotherhood is an aggression against all of it.



More on this topic:

Islamic Brotherhood
http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/charac/essay_brotherhood.htm

The Concept of Brotherhood in Islam
http://www.famsy.com/salam/Brotherhood0404.htm

[Shujaat_71]

Salam o allaykum waramatullah wa barakat Assalamo allaka Mohammad ur RasolAllah Sallallah-ho-alllayhey-wasallam

very thank you islamirama for all the information about brotherhood but i am already agree with that no doubt, Alhamdulillah, but what i want to ask , i sure you didnt understand, please take another carefull look at my post up then think think and think till you didnt get a decision about it,

well i just wanted to make it more clear,
if Y got 4 sisters and 5 brothers, while X got 2 sisters and 3 brothers , where
Sister = father's or mother's doughter and brother = fathers or mother's son.

right according to islam Y's sons are the real brothers of X's sons
while in islam they cant get married with eachother (mam to man marry not allowed) but they can stay under same house day and nights can sleep on the same bad without sex or sexual thoughts any kind ,they can hug eachouter they can touch eachouter they can anjoy out dinner or partying (men only)

further Y's doughters can not marry with Y's sons (brother cant marry with his sister) but they can do whatever they wants such as dinner, enjoying jokes fun, they can hug they can touch eachoter because they are sisters and borthers of eachother(no sex involve any kind)

but Y's doughters are fully allowd to get married with X's sons and X' doughters can marry with Y's sons and they are allowed to perpose their doughters.

well got to the point back, if Y's doughter "d" got married with X's son "s"
now they are free to do every thing they like , sitting together can lay on the same bed , kissing, hugging and everything, including sex.

is that ok if "s" say she (d) was my sister before we got married?
or d say f was my brother before we got married/???

Ok hope you will get what i want to say.

JezakAllah Kharen

[islamirama]

Salam o allaykum waramatullah wa barakat Assalamo allaka Mohammad ur RasolAllah Sallallah-ho-alllayhey-wasallam

very thank you islamirama for all the information about brotherhood but i am already agree with that no doubt, Alhamdulillah, but what i want to ask , i sure you didnt understand, please take another carefull look at my post up then think think and think till you didnt get a decision about it,

well i just wanted to make it more clear,
if Y got 4 sisters and 5 brothers, while X got 2 sisters and 3 brothers , where Sister = father's or mother's doughter and brother = fathers or mother's son.

right according to islam Y's sons are the real brothers of X's sons
while in islam they cant get married with eachother (mam to man marry not allowed) but they can stay under same house day and nights can sleep on the same bad without sex or sexual thoughts any kind ,they can hug eachouter they can touch eachouter they can anjoy out dinner or partying (men only)

further Y's doughters can not marry with Y's sons (brother cant marry with his sister) but they can do whatever they wants such as dinner, enjoying jokes fun, they can hug they can touch eachoter because they are sisters and borthers of eachother(no sex involve any kind)

but Y's doughters are fully allowd to get married with X's sons and X' doughters can marry with Y's sons and they are allowed to perpose their doughters.

well got to the point back, if Y's doughter "d" got married with X's son "s"
now they are free to do every thing they like , sitting together can lay on the same bed , kissing, hugging and everything, including sex.

is that ok if "s" say she (d) was my sister before we got married?
or d say f was my brother before we got married/???

Ok hope you will get what i want to say.

JezakAllah Kharen


wa'alaikum as'salaam wr wb,

i think i know what you're trying to ask bro.

let's say there's two families. Family A and Family B and they both have their own kids.

Family A - has 2 boys and 2 girls
Family B - 1 boy 1 girl

Family A kids are siblings (bro/sis) by blood and they can have fun together doing whatever bro/sis do in a family.

Family B kids are sibligns (bro/sis) by blood and can play together as such.

Family A and B kids are not related. well lets say they are cousins. A's kids and B's kids are cousins. The parents taught the kids to that these are you sibligs (bro/sis) and you play with them and treat them like bro/sis. So A's kids and B's kids treach each other like bro/sis all their life growing up together as such.

But now they have all grown up and what now? Son of family A wants to marry daughter of family B, is that possible? They grew up together calling each other bro/sis and treating each other as such. Well regardless of how they have grown up, they are still non-mahrams in Islam. They can get married and be husband and wife. He/she can say he/she used to be my brother/sister and that would understand to mean that either they were bro/sis in islam or they had taken each other as such in the past. But since by islamic law, they are still non-mahrams so they are allowed to marry like any other strangers or non mahrams.

Under normal conditions that's how it is. But once they are married, they don't need to say he/she used to be my bro/sis becuase we all are bro/sis to each other in Islam but not mahrams to each other and thats main thing to understand.

[Shujaat_71]

well, so you think cousions can live together both boys and girls( till their adults age) even there are non mahram?

[sisterKhadija]

I beleive we call each others Brothers and Sisters because in Allah's eyes we are all Brothers and Sisters to each other. We all came from the same Father being Allah our Creator.

A Muslimah just means a female Muslim.

Here is a great link about sisterhood
http://www.themuslimwoman.com/SisterhoodinIslam.htm

Salaam,
SisterKhadija

[islamirama]

I beleive we call each others Brothers and Sisters because in Allah's eyes we are all Brothers and Sisters to each other. We all came from the same Father being Allah our Creator.

A Muslimah just means a female Muslim.

Here is a great link about sisterhood
http://www.themuslimwoman.com/SisterhoodinIslam.htm

Salaam,
SisterKhadija

We are brother/sisters on many levels. most intimate is by blood thru parents. we are bro/sis believers in same faith. and we are brothers/sisters as children of Adam and Eve.

as for cousins living together, once the children reaches puberty then they become adults in islam and their sins are written down from that time on. So if cousins are living together as bro/sis in one house, thats fine but once puberty comes then they have become non mahrams and guidelines of islam must be followed in regards to non mahrams. you can go to www.islam-qa.com and look of tons of similiar questions asked by others and their answers according to islam.

[Shujaat_71]

well the word ikhwatun defines in surah hijrat 49 :10 is used for both muslim and muslimah in common arabic language, so i got to the end of my question, both muslim and muslimah are Ikhwatun (brother and sister) even your faterh is your father in relation but relagiously he is your bother, mother as well your sister, and wife, well you can also say she a sister religiously.

Jezak allah kharen,

[Shujaat_71]

well the word ikhwatun defines in surah hijrat 49 :10 is used for both muslim and muslimah in common arabic language, so i got to the end of my question, both muslim and muslimah are Ikhwatun (brother and sister) even your faterh is your father in relation but relagiously he is your bother, mother as well your sister, and wife, well you can also say she a sister religiously.

Jezak allah kharen,

[islamirama]

well the word ikhwatun defines in surah hijrat 49 :10 is used for both muslim and muslimah in common arabic language, so i got to the end of my question, both muslim and muslimah are Ikhwatun (brother and sister) even your faterh is your father in relation but relagiously he is your bother, mother as well your sister, and wife, well you can also say she a sister religiously.

Jezak allah kharen,

Don't read too much into it bro and try to interpret it by yourself. Of course, Allah says that He made the Quran is to understand and we should understand it easily when reading but not everyone can do that these days. We don't study arabic nor speak it, we don't the grammar of arabic and we don't study islamic history, study when the verse came down and what happend at that time that caused the verses to be revealed. So you see most the muslims lack the understanding to interpret the Quran becuase they don't have the foundation of knowledge,arabic grammar, and history to understand it completely. So it's important to go learn this knowlege from the scholars. The prophet *S* said that the inherits of the prophets are the scholars (becuase all the Prophet's have and give is knowledge). And also a hadith says to go learn your deen from the learned men (schoalrs/imams) . So before you go too deep into this bro, ask your local imaam about this inshalalh.