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Al-ghurabah
31-03-06, 11:15 AM
what in your opinion is the most vital issue. which you think is most important for the ummah today and why
..e.g. need for shariah. liberation of muslim lands. undertsnading of shirk/kuffr.
Refugee
31-03-06, 11:29 AM
i think liberation of muslim land is most important without that you cant enforce shariah
Al-ghurabah
31-03-06, 11:31 AM
i think liberation of muslim land is most important without that you cant enforce shariah
i forgot to add a poll to it.. its in the poll section with no poll. doesnt let me add poll by editing it..
Refugee
31-03-06, 11:32 AM
i forgot to add a poll to it.. its in the poll section with no poll. doesnt let me add poll by editing it..
Yeah it wont actually - why dont you create a new one and ask the mods to delete this or let it be
ur_yusra
31-03-06, 11:40 AM
First thing we need addressing is the wellbeing of our brothers and sisters around the world... I would think killing the oppression would be the focus point and getting our dear brothers out of prison..
But how do we do that?
Al-ghurabah
31-03-06, 11:42 AM
First thing we need addressing is the wellbeing of our brothers and sisters around the world... I would think killing the oppression would be the focus point and getting our dear brothers out of prison..
But how do we do that?
WELL FIRSTLY WE NEED TO DEFEND THE LANDS WHICH ARE UNDER ATTACK I.E KASMIR CHECHNYA PALESTINE IRAQ AFGHANSITAN.. THEN WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE CORRUPT LEADERS AND PUT IN PLACE ONE LEADER FOR THE WHOLE UMMAH.. ONE ARMY.. IMPLIMENT SHARIAH...
i know its a big ask but its proised as long as we work hard try ourselves..
allah will give victory to those who work for it.
Ummati Al Islam
31-03-06, 11:55 AM
As has been identified, first and foremost we have to liberate our brothers and sisters. The obligation to establish the Khilafah is secondary at this current moment, our attentions must be directed to our brothers and sisters.
Once the Taughut, Kufr, and fasad are enforced out of the majority Muslim lands, the Shariah should be easier to establish. InshaAllah.
Salman Al-Farsi
31-03-06, 11:57 AM
The word 'vital issue' has a technical (istilah) definition in shariah which is exclusive to establishment of Allah Tala's soverignty on this earth. All other issues are secondary to this.
Salman Al-Farsi
31-03-06, 11:59 AM
As has been identified, first and foremost we have to liberate our brothers and sisters. The obligation to establish the Khilafah is secondary at this current moment, our attentions must be directed to our brothers and sisters.
Once the Taughut, Kufr, and fasad are enforced out of the majority Muslim lands, the Shariah should be easier to establish. InshaAllah.
So Allah Tala's does not deserve soverignty until all lands are liberated?
Ummati Al Islam
31-03-06, 12:00 PM
i know its a big ask but its proised as long as we work hard try ourselves..
allah will give victory to those who work for it.
It's not really a big ask as Allah never overburdens us. Helping our brothers and sisters is the least we can do, it's our duty. Though I understand the point - we wouldn't think that by looking at these Muslim 'Lords' and what have you breaking their fasts at 10 Downing Street...
Al-ghurabah
31-03-06, 12:01 PM
So Allah Tala's does not deserve soverignty until all lands are liberated?
like i said in my post we need shariah to be implimented. but because we have muslims under attack that will take priorities at the moment..
during the past when ever muslims were attacked the defedning came first..
this fard will take priority
Ummati Al Islam
31-03-06, 12:04 PM
So Allah Tala's does not deserve soverignty until all lands are liberated?
No I didn't mean it like that.
I am quite surprised that you have asked such a question, you should get the idea that I wouldn't dare insinuate Allah All Mighty does not deserve sovereignty in whatever circumstance.
Al-ghurabah
31-03-06, 12:05 PM
No I didn't mean it like that.
I am quite surprised that you have asked such a question, you should get the idea that I wouldn't dare insinuate Allah All Mighty does not deserve sovereignty in whatever circumstance.
how can you impliment law of allah if the kuffar have inavded the muslim country.. you need to get rid of them first..
Salman Al-Farsi
31-03-06, 12:06 PM
like i said in my post we need shariah to be implimented. but because we have muslims under attack that will take priorities at the moment..
during the past when ever muslims were attacked the defedning came first..
this fard will take priority
So that means Muslims take priority over Allah's soverignty being established?
Infact, the Muslims have always been under attack since the time of the prophet (saw) and will continue to be until yomil Akhir.
However liberating lands must be the priority for those who are in those lands, but not for us.
For the entire Muslim ummah the utmost vital issue is the restoration of Allah's svoerignty on earth becasue every single Muslim is sinful in its absence... and could inevitably die the death of Jahilliyah.
Salman Al-Farsi
31-03-06, 12:07 PM
No I didn't mean it like that.
I am quite surprised that you have asked such a question, you should get the idea that I wouldn't dare insinuate Allah All Mighty does not deserve sovereignty in whatever circumstance.
You implied it is a secondary issue, or that blood of Muslims or occupation is somehow more important than non-existence of Allah's laws.
Ummati Al Islam
31-03-06, 12:08 PM
how can you impliment law of allah if the kuffar have inavded the muslim country.. you need to get rid of them first..
Yes, that is what my post stated but Salman Al Farsi misunderstood and asked that surprising question???
Al-ghurabah
31-03-06, 12:09 PM
So that means Muslims take priority over Allah's soverignty being established?
Infact, the Muslims have always been under attack since the time of the prophet (saw) and will continue to be until yomil Akhir.
However liberating lands must be the priority for those who are in those lands, but not for us.
For the entire Muslim ummah the utmost vital issue is the restoration of Allah's svoerignty on earth becasue every single Muslim is sinful in its absence... and could inevitably die the death of Jahilliyah.
akhi read my post above.. like i mentioned how can those muslim who are under attack or have been inaved rule by shariah unless they get rid of the enemy..
certain times certain fards will take priorities like during battle you dont need to complete your prayers at the time given...
im sure everyone knows that its fard for us to rule by the law of allah. impliment shariah.. and allahmdulilalh we have groups in all muslim countries working for that..
banglabhai
31-03-06, 12:26 PM
i forgot to add a poll to it.. its in the poll section with no poll. doesnt let me add poll by editing it..
lol.. i had the same problem so i created a new poll and deleted the other.
Salman Al-Farsi
31-03-06, 01:01 PM
akhi read my post above.. like i mentioned how can those muslim who are under attack or have been inaved rule by shariah unless they get rid of the enemy..
certain times certain fards will take priorities like during battle you dont need to complete your prayers at the time given...
im sure everyone knows that its fard for us to rule by the law of allah. impliment shariah.. and allahmdulilalh we have groups in all muslim countries working for that..
This is not what I am saying, because the queston is not about Faraid, of course it is fardh to establish Allah's rule and it is fardh to establish salah, and it is fardh to repel enemies from Muslim land. However you mentioned a specific term 'vital issue' which is exclusive the soviergnty of Allah Tala remains at all times, even for those in occupied lands, it is fardh for them to defend themselves but it is still the vital issue for them to establish Allah's authority.
AbuMubarak
31-03-06, 01:12 PM
WE cannot do anything
WE can only make dua to Allah, and learn our deen
once WE do that, then things will change for muslims
alhamdulillah, there are muslims who are not waiting for WE, or else no one would be standing up for the muslims
THEY are mujahideen fighting in the cause of Allah and WE should be making dua for them every salat
there are so many things WE need to do, it can all be summarized as in becoming better muslims, and making dua for the mujahideen
after WE learn our deen, ALLAH will raise our stations
Niqaabi
31-03-06, 01:19 PM
Allah is not going to change the state of the ummah untill we change ourselves.
So we need to come back to Qur'an and Sunnah.
Like AbuMubarak said, we should make duah that Allah ta'ala unites us and keeps us on His path, also we should not wait for everyone to get together, but as individuals help out the ummah in the ways we can.
So if that means helping the mujahideen by joining them and fighting fisabeelillah, then that is one way. If it means aquiring knowlege and teaching it to the ignorant muslims and leaders, the that is another way.
Al-Irhaab
31-03-06, 03:26 PM
every single muslim land is under occupation today apart from those few strips controlled by mujahideen... the only difference is that the occupation of Chechnya is blatant and the occupation of Pakistan is hidden. To remove this occupation is to establish the sharia, if one set of occupiers is replaced with others who do not impliment islam then the occupation remains the same.
establishing the law of Allah (swt) is the most important duty for the muslims, by removing oppression and occupation they will establish this law inshallah.
ur_yusra
31-03-06, 03:44 PM
every single muslim land is under occupation today apart from those few strips controlled by mujahideen... the only difference is that the occupation of Chechnya is blatant and the occupation of Pakistan is hidden. To remove this occupation is to establish the sharia, if one set of occupiers is replaced with others who do not impliment islam then the occupation remains the same.
establishing the law of Allah (swt) is the most important duty for the muslims, by removing oppression and occupation they will establish this law inshallah.
yeh.. thats what I meant.. you have to get rid the oppression as a means of attaining khilafah..
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