View Full Version : Which is more difficult??
peace2u
31-03-06, 06:29 AM
This was a discussion question put to my class of ESL students and I was pretty amazed at some of the answers they gave. :)
Peace
Refugee
31-03-06, 08:19 AM
i dont know the answer to that - i guess it depends on the "individual"
Al Qadr
31-03-06, 08:29 AM
I think its harder being a woman - well I dont know what its like bein a man:p
but in terms of going through childbirth, being respnsible for the house and children ect...altho man man has 2 earn and be the breadwinner
Refugee
31-03-06, 08:47 AM
I think its harder being a woman - well I dont know what its like bein a man:p
but in terms of going through childbirth, being respnsible for the house and children ect...altho man man has 2 earn and be the breadwinner
Getting up in the morning providing for your family, the pressure of not providing enough for your kids and wife and parents, dealing with your bosses who might treat you like s*** - so your answer that being a woman is hard is to say the least, "is biased" - and you know it - thats the reason i didnt answer this poll :D :hidban:
being a woman and reading what is in islam, i think its harder being a man. (altho i have never been one and nevr intend to :D )
I think its harder being a woman - well I dont know what its like bein a man:p
but in terms of going through childbirth, being respnsible for the house and children ect...altho man man has 2 earn and be the breadwinner
i know what u mean sis, but comapre this to a man's responibilites and the duties on him from an islamic viewpoint, i'd choose being a woman, child birth, looking after ther house anyday! :p
Al Qadr
31-03-06, 08:58 AM
Getting up in the morning providing for your family, the pressure of not providing enough for your kids and wife and parents, dealing with your bosses who might treat you like s*** - so your answer that being a woman is hard is to say the least, "is biased" - and you know it - thats the reason i didnt answer this poll :D :hidban:
what about gettin up early every morning, cooking for the family, cleanin and dressing the kids as well as urself, makin the beds, hoovering the house, cook dinner whatever, and deal with in laws who might also treat u like s**t and maybe even holding down a part time job while the kids are at school then going to pick them up feed em, take em mosque ect :S
Al Qadr
31-03-06, 09:00 AM
i know what u mean sis, but comapre this to a man's responibilites and the duties on him from an islamic viewpoint, i'd choose being a woman, child birth, looking after ther house anyday! :p
lol, im not saying men dont work hard aswell :S the work women do shld be recognised and appreciated :p as well as mens :)
what about gettin up early every morning, cooking for the family, cleanin and dressing the kids as well as urself, makin the beds, hoovering the house, cook dinner whatever, and deal with in laws who might also treat u like s**t and maybe even holding down a part time job while the kids are at school then going to pick them up feed em, take em mosque ect :S
this is a woman's way to attain martyrdom, rather that then be murdered/killed on the battlefield like muslim men :( (may allah swt grant them the highehst ranks in jannah, ameen()
Al Qadr
31-03-06, 09:07 AM
this is a woman's way to attain martyrdom, rather that then be murdered/killed on the battlefield like muslim men :( (may allah swt grant them the highehst ranks in jannah, ameen()
Insha'Allah ameen
(it said i handed out 2 many rep points in the last 24 hrs :crying: )
Al-ghurabah
31-03-06, 09:08 AM
they both hve their own duties and responsibilities given by allah.
allah knows us best there for gave us responsibilities according to our ability to do them..
so both in their own wasy are difficult..
Insha'Allah ameen
(it said i handed out 2 many rep points in the last 24 hrs :crying: )
dont worry sis, ill remind u ;)
Al Qadr
31-03-06, 09:10 AM
dont worry sis, ill remind u ;)
lolol ;)
lol, im not saying men dont work hard aswell :S the work women do shld be recognised and appreciated :p as well as mens :)
lol, awwww, sis im sure some people do recognise it, yes not all do but the one that matters most will always recognise and appreciate it inshallah and reward u with an abundance of rewards :D so those that choose nto to appreciate can go do 1!
Refugee
31-03-06, 09:12 AM
this is a woman's way to attain martyrdom, rather that then be murdered/killed on the battlefield like muslim men :( (may allah swt grant them the highehst ranks in jannah, ameen()
jazallah khair - may allah (swt) give me the chance to be among those men (ameen)
jazallah khair - may allah (swt) give me the chance to be among those men (ameen)
inshallah
Al Qadr
31-03-06, 09:24 AM
jazallah khair - may allah (swt) give me the chance to be among those men (ameen)
Insha'Allah ameen
BEING A WOMAN!!!!!!!! too many reasons to list.....
Refugee
31-03-06, 09:28 AM
BEING A WOMAN!!!!!!!! too many reasons to list.....
come on dont be biased :D
elefantebianco
31-03-06, 09:40 AM
come on dont be biased :D
LOOL i did that i voted but i have now changed my mind.... i agree with what some one said previously....Allah gives diff ppl diff things....there may be a woman who has to deal with a really harsh life...and a man who has it easy...it maybe vice versa...and Allah gives each their resbonsibilties....and he is The Most JUST....so its probably equal according to their abilities...etc....its just in a diff way.....
Refugee
31-03-06, 09:59 AM
LOOL i did that i voted but i have now changed my mind.... i agree with what some one said previously....Allah gives diff ppl diff things....there may be a woman who has to deal with a really harsh life...and a man who has it easy...it maybe vice versa...and Allah gives each their resbonsibilties....and he is The Most JUST....so its probably equal according to their abilities...etc....its just in a diff way.....
i think there should be another option on this poll - i didnt voted at all because that was my reason
Yeh but just imagine the average woman.....Now the Prophet (saw) didnt say 'Paradise lies at the feet of your mother'..for no good reason. It is because of the hardship a mother goes through in bearing the child and then looking after it etc..emotionally and physically....something men will never experience. That was what came to my mind when I saw the poll........
Obviously if your talking life experiences, that varies from person to person, but a man is never going to have to experience child birth :rolleyes:.....
PaGaL~LaDo0
01-04-06, 12:05 PM
i fnk b0ff aave a eql diffclt prt :D
it's more difficult being a man... we gotta put up with women! :p :D
Niqaabi
01-04-06, 01:46 PM
None of us can actually know which is harder because you cant be both.
I say its hard to be both, but i dont know which is harder.
Salman Al-Farsi
01-04-06, 03:39 PM
I percieve.. it must be difficult being fitnah aka woman.
Its hard being me. Constantly having to be sarcastic is an uphill struggle :rolleyes:
I percieve.. it must be difficult being fitnah aka woman.
First bro to realise that its harder being a woman.....:rolleyes:....mashAllah......
LiveIslam
01-04-06, 04:22 PM
i think it same for both. however the now a days women have it harder as women get treated badly like gettng beating from theri husband. the industry, were women are used for their bodies. gals are treat less kindly as some parents are saden when they have a duaghter. and some gals have less right (not in islam) in culture e.g a man can choose his spouse but for the women the gal has no choice.
Al-Irhaab
01-04-06, 05:06 PM
it's more difficult being a man... we gotta put up with women! :p :D
and then ontop of that having to put up with pmt women... :rolleyes:
i think that was allah (Swt) way of punishing men... :(
women only go through childbirth like say abt 5 times during their lives... men got to put up with hormonal women all the time... :torture:
Ermmmm.......yeh..going through childbirth is much less pain then living with a woman with pmt hormones :scratch:....yep, that makes sense... :scratch:...so do these 'pmt women' cause you EXTREME pain physically then??????
CHILD BIRTH PEOPLE...!!!...is probably the most painful thing the average human being could experience.....however it is only the woman who will experience it and men dont have to..........man you guys aint got a clue......
Like I said, the Prophet (saw) did not raise the status of the mother to such a high level for no reason.....
MashAllah......the poll results are going the right way :D....I think undercover all the bros are voting the woman option......
:hidban:
Salman Al-Farsi
01-04-06, 06:10 PM
I really dont think its that hard being a woman, but what I believe to be hard and tough is to live up to the standards Islam has laid down for women.
I really dont think its that hard being a woman, but what I believe to be hard and tough is to live up to the standards Islam has laid down for women.
I disagree. It is THAT hard to be a woman, but not necessarily in the Islamic sense. Child birth is one example, in many respects, physically and emotionally woman have it much more difficult.
Do you mean...wearing hijaab, these kind of things???? Well, the way I see it, islamically, in the eyes of Allah (swt), the standard for everyone is the same....Allah (swt) hasnt made attaining Jannah harder for one gender over the other....because obviously this would not be fair...its the same for both.......
Salman Al-Farsi
01-04-06, 06:29 PM
Wearing hijaab is difficult??? I doubt it
its just a piece of cloth, nuns wear it.
I am talking about the standards Islam sets for women or even men.
And Islam is not just about beard, hijab, five time salah is it?
I dont know why every single issue has to be about genders.. cant you think outside that box for once.
In one or two threads its reasonable.. but making every single thread about gender issues is just boring and unintellectual.
Al-Irhaab
01-04-06, 06:33 PM
Ermmmm.......yeh..going through childbirth is much less pain then living with a woman with pmt hormones :scratch:....yep, that makes sense... :scratch:...so do these 'pmt women' cause you EXTREME pain physically then??????
CHILD BIRTH PEOPLE...!!!...is probably the most painful thing the average human being could experience.....however it is only the woman who will experience it and men dont have to..........man you guys aint got a clue......
Like I said, the Prophet (saw) did not raise the status of the mother to such a high level for no reason.....
mental torture is always farworse then physical torture... :rolleyes:
the worst part of hell is that u know u gonna be in there forever and ever...
i guess similar to marriage in one way ... thought at least with marriage u know u gonna die ... one day :D
Al Qadr
01-04-06, 06:59 PM
Wearing hijaab is difficult??? I doubt it
its just a piece of cloth, nuns wear it.
Hijaab is not just a piece of cloth. Many women get abused for wearing it and have 2 deal with glares and abuse both verbal and physical :torture:
Wearing hijaab is difficult??? I doubt it
its just a piece of cloth, nuns wear it.
I am talking about the standards Islam sets for women or even men.
And Islam is not just about beard, hijab, five time salah is it?
I dont know why every single issue has to be about genders.. cant you think outside that box for once.
In one or two threads its reasonable.. but making every single thread about gender issues is just boring and unintellectual.
Ehmmm......this thread is exactly about gender, so yes the issue here is about gender, and thats not my fault.
I would appreciate if you didnt turn this in to some sort of personal attack against me...there is no need for that. If you feel that 'I dont think outside of the box' or am 'unintellectual' and 'boring'..and it is a issue for you... I would prefer it if you did not do it publically, but gave me some personal naseehah.
The hijaab may look like a peice of cloth to you, as it looks to non-muslims for that matter....for sisters it means much more, and carries many consequences for those wearing it in kuffar society, for the sake of Allah (swt). Nuns on the other hand, DO wear a cloth. spot the difference.
Salman Al-Farsi
01-04-06, 07:18 PM
Ehmmm......this thread is exactly about gender, so yes the issue here is about gender, and thats not my fault.
I would appreciate if you didnt turn this in to some sort of personal attack against me...there is no need for that. If you feel that 'I dont think outside of the box' or am 'unintellectual' and 'boring'..and it is a issue for you... I would prefer it if you did not do it publically, but gave me some personal naseehah.
The hijaab may look like a peice of cloth to you, as it looks to non-muslims for that matter....for sisters it means much more, and carries many consequences for those wearing it in kuffar society, for the sake of Allah (swt). Nuns on the other hand, DO wear a cloth. spot the difference.
It was not directed at you, but at the people who turn every thread into a gender issue.
If you read the initial post in the thread its not about what the thread has turned into.
We all know Islam has defined roles for both men and women and have burdened them both equally .. so we dont have to get pedantic about it.
As for the hijaab issue, bros get the same for beard. Again my initial point.. Allah Tala has ordained us equally.
Continously moaning about women having it more difficult or men having it more difficult is just non-sense.
It was not directed at you, but at the people who turn every thread into a gender issue.
If you read the initial post in the thread its not about what the thread has turned into.
We all know Islam has defined roles for both men and women and have burdened them both equally .. so we dont have to get pedantic about it.
As for the hijaab issue, bros get the same for beard. Again my initial point.. Allah Tala has ordained us equally.
Continously moaning about women having it more difficult or men having it more difficult is just non-sense.
The initial post states 'which is more difficult'...'being a man or woman'...
Yes, Islamically, they have been ordained equally. However in other respects, for example, child birth, raising of young children, physically, etc all these aspects increase the harship of a woman compared to the man. And because of this increased hardship, the Prophet (saw) and ultimately Allah (swt) has increased the status of the mother.
No sex has it more difficult than the other.
Both men and women have responsibilities and duties ordained on them by Allah (swt). Both have the means and ability to execute those duties as that is Allah (swt) has created that as part of their nature (man/woman)
To say that one sex has it more harder is fundamentally arguing against the way Allah (swt) has "made" you.
Don't go down that road.
No one is arguing with that point. As far as I can see, everyone made that point. Ofcourse Allah (swt) has ordained men and women equally, we both are being tested equally.
Im going to go back to what I said initially, the fact that the Prophet (saw) raised the status of the mother higher then the father. This was with good reason. If the hardship of what the mother goes through was the same as the father, their status would have been the same.
Salman Al-Farsi
01-04-06, 08:14 PM
Prophet (saw) forbade women from positions or authority does that mean men are better.
This way of argument is unhealthy.
Correct way of viewing this is that Allah Tala has well defined roles of men and women, eg Men as leaders, or women as mothers etc.
Niqaabi
01-04-06, 08:16 PM
Women have it hard i guess, do you know the amount of times we need to file our nails and straighten our hair? :crying: Life is so hard :(
I'm not saying one is 'better' than the other.......
I give up.......:D
:hidban:
Women have it hard i guess, do you know the amount of times we need to file our nails and straighten our hair? :crying: Life is so hard :(
woah woah woah... me and u have verrry different views then...
i was thinking its harder cuz we have to child rear and all... and all the domestic work...
ze leetle elper
01-04-06, 08:28 PM
Both are equal yet hold different roles and responsibilities which they must carry out.
Just read my signature :p
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another point of view...
The Prophets of Allah (Alayhimus Salaam) endured the most difficulties in their lives... only men were Prophets
ur_yusra
01-04-06, 08:32 PM
I'm not saying one is 'better' than the other.......
I give up.......:D
:hidban:
Yeah I agree.. A woman may say it is harder for her and a man may say likewise.. But at the end of the day a man has never been a woman and a woman has never been a man, so it is all rather subjective and bias at times..
My personal opinion is that it is not Islam that makes it hard on women.. its culture.. women in many societies are seen as taboos from the moment they are born.. girls are still buried alive because they are unwanted..!! women are still tied to the kitchen in some places and are not even allowed to have freinds!!! This is completely from a cultural perspective and if we look at the women from 'back home' they have definately had it tough..
As a woman brought up in the West it has not been any more difficult for me then say a man brought up in the West..
In islam we are equal.. and therefore it is not harder for a man anymore then it is for a woman BUT we are tested more then another NOT because of our gender but because of our taqwa and the love that Allah (swt) has for us.. that is what defines us..
Niqaabi
01-04-06, 08:33 PM
woah woah woah... me and u have verrry different views then...
i was thinking its harder cuz we have to child rear and all... and all the domestic work...
I was joking :rolleyes:
SoulAsylum
01-04-06, 09:14 PM
Its like this.......
Women cant do the things man are good at....
And men cant do things women do. Men excel at certain things and women excel at others, their roles are not interchageable.
tauheedul
01-04-06, 09:45 PM
woman probably have it harder - as they have to suffer with the pain of giuving birth to a baby etc and carrying it for 9 months. Taking care of Kids not so easy if they were anything like how me and my brothers were when we were kids,
men of course have the responsibilty of taking care of their family but we have this easier as we have a more different build to women. Our bodies are more naturally built to sustain physical pressure etc. This makes carrying heavy weights etc easier for us. -
Allah Has made us different for a very obvious purpose.
Like brutha soul asylum said "Men excel at certain things and women excel at others, their roles are not interchageable."
peace2u
04-04-06, 01:52 AM
It was not directed at you, but at the people who turn every thread into a gender issue.
If you read the initial post in the thread its not about what the thread has turned into.
We all know Islam has defined roles for both men and women and have burdened them both equally .. so we dont have to get pedantic about it.
As for the hijaab issue, bros get the same for beard. Again my initial point.. Allah Tala has ordained us equally.
Continously moaning about women having it more difficult or men having it more difficult is just non-sense.
exactly!
My intent was not for this to become a battle of the sexes but just for everyone to realize and appreciate the worth of the opposite sex.
My opinion is that if we look at the duties that Allah (swt) has placed on us as muslims, Allah (swt) has placed a great responsibility on the men of our ummah. They carry the weight and responsibility of spreading Islam, protecting the ummah from both within and without, the maintance of their families and those who are in need and etc.,. Now do all this in the society that we live in! They are up against odds everyday. It's not to say that we as women do not face great hurdles, but Allah (swt) has made it easy for us to attain Jannah. All we have to do is obey Allah (swt) and our husbands. How is easy is that??? Sure some men can be a pain but that is our test.
I want to leave this hadith. I really like it because it pinpoints what Allah (swt) intended for us in terms of responsibility
Volume 2, Book 13, Number 18:
Narrated Ibn Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "All of you are Guardians." Yunis said: Ruzaiq bin Hukaim wrote to Ibn Shihab while I was with him at Wadi-al-Qura saying, "Shall I lead the Jumua prayer?" Ruzaiq was working on the land (i.e farming) and there was a group of Sudanese people and some others with him; Ruzaiq was then the Governor of Aila. Ibn Shihab wrote (to Ruzaiq) ordering him to lead the Jumua prayer and telling him that Salim told him that 'Abdullah bin 'Umar had said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'All of you are guardians and responsible for your wards and the things under your care. The Imam (i.e. ruler) is the guardian of his subjects and is responsible for them and a man is the guardian of his family and is responsible for them. A woman is the guardian of her husband's house and is responsible for it. A servant is the guardian of his master's belongings and is responsible for them.' I thought that he also said, 'A man is the guardian of his father's property and is responsible for it. All of you are guardians and responsible for your wards and the things under your care."
Peace
Tahiyah
04-04-06, 04:14 AM
men and women are each others balance
neither has to be hard if we treat each other the way Allah (swt) and his Messenger (saw) commanded us to
its when men feel unappreciated that they think life is harder on them,and the same goes for women.
so treat each other with love and respect, and like the Quran says, we are each others garment...so cover one another.
The more difficult is to act against your nature, men acting like women and women acting like men.
peace2u
06-04-06, 04:17 AM
Which is a very good point. When a woman has to be the bread winner and become the protector and provider of the family, it becomes very difficult because that is not what Allah (swt) intended for us. And the same goes for men. To do other than what Allah (swt) created us to do adds burden upon burden on us.
Peace
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